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“Immediatist v Incrementalist” debate analysis: Prologue

aha-debate-e1430057755276He asked for it, he got it.

Several months ago Abolish Human Abortion’s T. Russell Hunter issued an open challenge to anyone from the pro-life community to debate him on the topic of “immediatism,” which he supports, versus “incrementalism,” which the so-called “establishment” generally supports. His description of the debate frame:

I would argue for the abolitionist position – that all people who are opposed to abortion ought to unify around abolishing all forms of intentional prenatal destruction regardless of the age of the human being in question – and my opponent could argue for the pro life establishment’s position that we should focus our time and energy on regulating abortion while it remains legal and seek incremental gains against it.

Gregg Cunningham of the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform eventually accepted Hunter’s challenge, and the debate was held this past Friday, April 25.

(Cunningham also rejected Hunter’s premise that incrementalism is an “either/or” thing, a concept it is actually immediatists who espouse. I find it inexplicable that they not only ignore opportunities but block attempts to save children from abortion now, thinking it is only principled to work to stop all abortions at one time in the future. But as Cunningham stated more than once, “We don’t do one or the other, we do both.”)

You can view video of the debate here. It totals almost three hours, but I think the last hour of Q&A could be skipped without missing much. Otherwise, it’s an interesting thing to watch.

14abA bunch of us around the country and Canada viewed it “together,” so to speak, via live stream, and the consensus was Cunningham won the debate hands down. How hands down? Nixon’s stunning debate defeat to Kennedy comes to mind. Canadian Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform’s Jonathon Van Maren called it an “out-and-out mauling.”

Hunter came ill-prepared to support his actual premise, that pro-life incrementalism hasn’t and doesn’t work, and Cunningham quickly disproved Hunter’s claim that immediatism is buttressed by historical figures like William Wilberforce, Abraham Lincoln, and Martin Luther King, Jr. None of the aforementioned were immediatists in practice. They were incrementalists.

Which is where Hunter’s thesis fell apart. He quoted their writings, which expressed an absolutist view against slavery and segregation, but ignored their work, which demonstrated an incremental approach.

By example, someone looking back at my writings some day will readily conclude I abhor all abortions, oppose the rape/incest exception, and think abortion clinics come from the pits of hell.

Yet in practice I support a 20-week abortion ban, some legislation with rape/incest exceptions, and abortion clinic regulations. These are means to get to the end: stopping all abortions. Again, incrementalists work to stop all abortions while at the same time working to save the babies we can along the way.

The reason I’m taking the time to dissect this debate here, and in another post or two or three, is because I believe AHA and Hunter’s immediatist view is not only wrong, it’s dangerous and deadly, resulting in the senseless deaths of children.

So if you consider this mere internecine bickering, I don’t. In my opinion, lives hang in the balance.

This was exemplified clearly in the debate, which I’ll get to in my next post.

But we weren’t the only ones who thought Hunter fared poorly. He thought so, too. Some of his initial Facebook comments:

  • Wish I did better in last nights debate and kept the focus on immediatism instead of letting it run all over the place and of course, there were a lot of things I wanted to say or shoulda woulda could have said….
  • Definitely my first [debate]….
  • I was getting pretty rilled up at times and actually holding a lot back.
  • I was dead tired and dealing with all sorts of strange spiritual warfare issues and family difficulties so I was not anywhere as sharp as I needed to be.
  • Because it is quite difficult to explain the difference between immediatism and incrementalism while someone is constantly calling you a pharisee, accusing you of hating babies and repeatedly telling you that they regulate abortion better than you do, I have decided to finish this powerpoint presentation and put it up in its entirety for people to evaluate and assess.
  • I’m a better drawer than debater….
  • I didn’t get to half of [my arguments] and was to rushed and distracted to nail Gregg where I should have.
  • Then Gregg got up, said that he and his organization were awesome and uncompromising and that I was a meanie head on Facebook…. Greg then said that I was stupid and that he was awesome…. He held up that paper again and said that I completely disregarded the lives of all children ever saved from abortion and that I was a monster (but that he loved me and respected my work etc etc).

buttercupAs an aside, even a cursory viewing of the debate will show Gregg was strong but behaved like a gentleman. Apparently, for all the verbal bombs he throws online, Hunter can’t handle hand-to-hand combat.

But as someone wrote to NYC Mayor de Blasio, who recently complained people are mean to him at baseball games, “Toughen up, buttercup.”

At any rate, by last night Hunter had recovered his mojo, writing, “I’m starting to realize that the debate went far better than I realized,” this, he said, because he’d heard people like me were ‘totally freaking out and making promises to write articles.”

I’m totally freaking out, all right, for the babies Hunter and his followers fight to leave in the hands of abortionists.

Stay tuned for “Part I: Let babies die today, we can save the rest later.”

And meanwhile, watch the debate and tell me what you think.

[HT for research help: Tom H.]

Also read:

Part II: There’s only one way to cut down a tree?

The Doula Project helps “pregnant people,” not just women

by Carder

Doula Project2014 was an incredibly successful year for us that included:

● Partnering with a new public hospital in NYC to provide abortion doulas to pregnant people
● Partnering with a new birth center in NYC to provide birth doulas to pregnant people
● Partnering with a criminal justice organization to provide birth doulas to pregnant people
● Training 25 new full spectrum doulas and a new Board of Directors
● Providing doula support to thousands of pregnant people in NYC

~ Excerpt from a fundraising email in which “pregnant people” (not “women”) are the beneficiaries of The Doula Project, December 10

Stanek weekend Q: Appropriate or not to equate Ferguson/NYC deaths with abortion?

MTIwNjA4NjM0MDQ5NzU4NzMyRock singer Ted Nugent took heat for wondering why those outraged about the grand jury’s decision in Ferguson, Missouri, not to indict a white policeman for killing a black “thug” aren’t equally outraged over black genocide via abortion:

And dont claim that “black lives matter” when you ignore the millions you abort & slaughter each & every day by other blacks. Those of us with a soul do indeed believe black lives matter, as all lives matter. So quit killin each other you f*ckin idiots.

Billboard’s Joe Lynch wrote in response:

Ooof. Hard to say what abortion has to do with any of this, but apparently Nugent is convinced it’s hypocritical to protest gunning down an unarmed teen and be pro-choice. Some might say there’s a significant amount of grey area with regard to the life of an 18-day-old fetus and an 18-year-old man, but not to Professor Nuge.

Do you agree there’s “significant grey area” about killing a very young preborn baby versus killing a teen? Do you think it’s appropriate to remind the black community of its self-annihilation via abortion in relation to other black killings?

Here’s a similar example, comparing the death of Eric Garner after being arrested in NYC, and referring to his last words….

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Similarly, there are complaints when pro-lifers compare the Jewish Holocaust to abortion, or slavery.

Thoughts? Also take the poll….

 

NYC abortion clinic: We “release” late periods, end “invisible” pregnancies

g-sac-7-weeks-300x194by Kelli

SofTouch® is the safest, most noninvasive method. The doctor simply inserts a soft flexible tube through the natural opening of your cervix, and applies gentle pressure. This quietly “releases” your late period and induces a miscarriage. Because it is a natural release there is immediate recovery and you can rest assured that when you are ready, you can become pregnant again….

Let go of your worries, and let us care for you. You will leave feeling supported and confident that you can get pregnant when the time is right….

Ending early pregnancy doesn’t need to be any more complicated than getting your yearly pap test.

You have an early pregnancy if you have only missed one or two periods. At this stage, it’s more like having a miscarriage. It’s comforting to know that you’re ending the pregnancy before you would even know if it may be viable. An early pregnancy consists of tissue similar to your menstrual tissue and a “bubble” of fluid, called the gestational sac. The pregnancy itself is invisible.

~ A very “nuanced” description of surgical abortion (and accompanying photo, found here) from New York City’s Early Options abortion clinic, as quoted by Live Action News, July 14

NYC abortion clinic specializes in VIPs… and in apparent fraud

eastside-gyn-picby Kelli

Their website describes what you get[:] “You are taken directly to a private room, where you will fill out any necessary paperwork, consult with the doctor, and recover. Our VIP rooms are designed to make you feel at home, with a luxurious mahogany bed, oil paintings, Internet and TV for complete privacy and comfort. Patient escorts are allowed to stay with the patient throughout the duration of their visit at our private clinic….

VIP Surgical Patients may also elect to have the entire facility and staff dedicated solely to their needs and care, in which case we close the facility to any other patient on that particular day. No other patient will be scheduled or seen during your entire visit, thus keeping our NYC abortion clinic completely private. Our entire staff will be dedicated to your care, and your care alone.”

Apparently this abortion clinic caters to the “needs of public figures, celebrities, and high-profile individuals… and you can schedule a VIP abortion appointment and Confidential Concierge Services.”

What does this “service” get you? This abortion clinic will arrange “flights, car service, hotels or personal care.”…

But all this fancy treatment doesn’t seem to keep patients from warning others to STAY AWAY [click below to enlarge].

Eastside Gynecology VIP abortions... and lies and fraud

~ Saynsumthn’s Blog, describing Eastside Gynecology in New York City, May 27

More photos available here.

[HT: Life Dynamics]

Pro-life blog buzz 4-18-14

by Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN.

We welcome your suggestions for additions to our Top Blogs (see tab on right side of home page)! Email Susie@jillstanek.com.

  • Culture Campaign says Planned Parenthood is not happy about a new Arizona law allowing unannounced inspections of abortion facilities. (My hairdresser gets unannounced inspections and no one has ever died in her chair.) Why should the abortion industry be exempt? Josh Kredit, legal counsel of the Center for Arizona Policy remarked:

    It was brought to our attention that every health-care institution in the state is subject to unannounced inspections by [ADHS] if they have reasonable cause to believe something is going on inside, except for abortion clinics. We’re almost saying we value the women that go into abortion clinics less than everyone else.

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  • Down on the Pharm links to some comments made by former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who seems to feel his accomplishments have earned him a special place in the afterlife. Did he forgot about his promotion of prenatal homicide? What hubris. The Weekly Standard states:

    Pointing to his work on gun safety, obesity and smoking cessation, he said with a grin: “I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I’m not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. It’s not even close.

  • Abolitionist Society of Oklahoma wonders why many of the people who stood with the Bundy family in Nevada against the government don’t also stand with preborn children:

    I know that many of those who went to Nevada to support the Bundy family are Christians and consider themselves to be pro-life. Some may even speak out against the practice of human abortion from time to time, but action is taken on this and not on the legal murdering of human beings created in the image and likeness of the living and true God? Apparently child sacrifice just isn’t “enough”.

  • At Coming Home, Dr. Gerard Nadal compares the case of a woman who allowed her dog to die via dehydration and starvation with the case of Terri Schiavo:

    The outrage in all of this isn’t that Gammon was punished for her crime against Roxy, it’s that the deaths of the Terri Schiavo’s among us aren’t considered criminal at all. It is that our legislators and judges do not “behave as any normal person would have,” protecting humans with the same ferocity as they would if the subject in consideration were a dog.The greatest tragedy of all is that humans have a long way to go before we enjoy equal dignity, equal standing with our pets in a court of law.

  • At Bound4Life, Ellie Saul says that while she is a coupon fanatic, abortion coupons are over the top. Some abortion mills offer Sunday abortion coupons and discounts, as well as coupons for Plan B. What’s next – bring a friend coupons, two for the price of one coupons, or Happy Hour coupons?

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  • Big Blue Wave takes abortion proponent Amanda Marcotte to task for attempting to smear the Duggar family in an article that’s actually about someone the Duggars know. The headline, picture and the wording of the article initially lead you to believe that the subject of the article is the Duggar family, which is irresponsible journalism. It is interesting how, while Marcotte believes other people should stay out of women’s reproductive choices, she and her ilk (like the anti-bullying bully Dan Savage, who recently made hideous comments about one of the Duggar daughters) can’t seem to stop spewing hate about the Duggars’ reproductive choices.
  • Kansans for Life shares a letter to the editor of the Wichita Eagle which puts the newspaper and the abortion industry in their place. The letter, written by “an ordinary pro-life citizen”, states that despite the Eagle’s “gushing” over the 1,200 abortions performed by South Wind Women’s Center, “in only six weeks, just one Wichita pro-life center alone sees 1,200 women! And rather than offer death, it offers true ‘service.’”
  • American Life League’s Judie Brown never shies away from controversy, and in this article chastising surrogate parenting, she cuts right to the chase:
    Recently, Christopher White wrote a commentary on the ethical problems associated with “surrogate parenthood for money.” He argued that paying for surrogate parenting is actually a form of human trafficking. His position is an interesting one, particularly because he presents his perspective in the context of many surrogate mothers who have later regretted their decision to carry someone else’s child….Pope Benedict warned against “the lure of the technology of artificial insemination” in which “scientism and the logic of profit seem to dominate the field of infertility and human procreation, to the point of limiting many other areas of research.”

    Such technology denigrates God’s design and very frequently makes false promises to those who suffer because of infertility while never mentioning the perverted uses to which the technology is being put today.

    Isn’t it long past time to proclaim that God’s plan never causes the kind of suffering and anguish man brings on himself when he attempts to ignore God? Some things will never be normal, but they can be—and are—exceedingly wrong.

White’s commentary even mentions a fertility program that caters to homosexuals but doesn’t mention their specialty – perhaps wanting to avoid controversy. Brown notes that has many issues with advanced technology have gotten out of control. The liberal media has jumped on the bandwagon of the “new families” that advanced technology can create, but Brown lauds the view of the Catholic Church and the wisdom of their teaching about the sinfulness of IVF and surrogate parenting. Hard messages are not always well received.

[Bloomberg photo via newswise.com]

Shocking graph: Planned Parenthood’s market share now 1/3 of all U.S. abortions

2014-03-17_1222American Life League’s STOPP reported in February:

Here are some comparative numbers based on the Guttmacher report entitled “Abortion Incidence and Service Availability in the United States, 2011,” and Planned Parenthood’s annual reports, showing Planned Parenthood’s ever-increasing share of the U.S. abortion market:

Planned Parenthood committed 31.6% of abortions nationwide in 2011
Planned Parenthood committed 23.3% of abortions nationwide in 2006
Planned Parenthood committed 16.5% of abortions nationwide in 2001
Planned Parenthood committed 11.3% of abortions nationwide in 1996
Planned Parenthood committed 8.5% of abortions nationwide in 1991
Planned Parenthood committed 6.2% of abortions nationwide in 1986

The graph below shows that Planned Parenthood abortions continue to soar, even as national abortion rates have declined and leveled off.

Click to enlarge…

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See Planned Parenthood’s abortion numbers spike upward from 1970 onward here.

Applying actual numbers of babies murdered at PP to STOPP’s percentages above:

2011: 333,964
2006: 289,750
2001: 213,026
1996: 153,367
1991: 132,314
1981: 79,997

By 2012, Planned Parenthood had killed a total of 6 million babies, a grim milestone.

Interestingly, Planned Parenthood‘s escalating numbers come at a cost to mom and pop chop shops. Normally liberals oppose big business. Who can forget their Occupy Wall Street fiasco?

IMG_2802_Aisha_Bouderdaben_1But liberals apparently don’t mind that Planned Parenthood – whose NYC base of operations is ironically not far from Wall Street – is corporate Big Abortion, running smaller private abortion clinics out of business.

An abortionist at one of Planned Parenthood’s smaller competitors compared it to not to Wall Street but Wal-Mart. Quoting LiveActionNews.com:

Peter Bours, a physician in Oregon, reports that new Planned Parenthood franchises in his area are making one of his offices financially untenable; whereas he has once provided 100 or more abortions per month in his Portland office, he now performs around 20. Referring to Planned Parenthood as “the Walmart of abortion clinics,” Bours contends that the larger providers offer inferior services….

As Planned Parenthood’s abortion numbers climb, its claim that abortion accounts for only 3% of its business becomes all the more untenable.

Even liberal NPR debunked that lie, correcting that figure upward to 10%, meaning one in 10 of Planned Parenthood’s patients submit to abortions. And as sba-list.org pointed out, 37% of Planned Parenthood’s clinic income comes from abortion.

[HT: LifeNews.com]

Claim that contraception caused NYC’s big abortion drop defies reality

by Kelli

NYCabortionsThe City’s claim that increased use of contraception is the cause of the substantial decline is quite perplexing, though. While the CDC through its comprehensive National Survey of Family Growth has found steadily declining rates of teenage sexual activity, they have not found substantial increases in contraceptive use. And the City has been pushing Plan B for several years, which studies show does not decrease the pregnancy rate. If the City has data proving their claim, they should make it available to the public.

The abortion ratio citywide fell to just over 37% in 2012 – a record low since 1970 when abortion was legalized in New York. The Bronx continues to lead the city with an abortion ratio of 47%. The largest drop in the abortion ratio was in Brooklyn, which saw the ratio drop from 37 percent to 34%.

~ Greg Pfundstein of the Chiaroscuro Foundation, responding to the latest reports that New York City’s abortion rate has “plummeted” to levels just slightly above those in 1973, as quoted by Alveda King at Newsmax.com, February 19

The abortion percentages for NYC are still currently at “61% among black women, 35% among Hispanics and about 14% among whites and Asians.”

More here.

[Map via NYC41percent.com]