Weekend question

weekend question.jpgIn the wake of the George Tiller murder, liberals are unsurprisingly attempting to tag former President George Bush with culpability. According to Think Progress, June 12 (bold highlights theirs):

The day after Dr. George Tiller was murdered, TWI obtained data revealing that under the Bush administration, criminal enforcement of the federal law designed to protect abortion providers and clinics had declined by more than 75% over the last 8 years.

Strangely ignored is there were no murders of abortionists under President Bush's watch. The other side preferred a witch hunt. Somehow he's at fault, even though The Washington Independent admitted, "The clinic where Dr. Tiller worked, for example, was repeatedly vandalized, including just days before his murder," this under President Obama's watch.

But as Mark Crutcher pointed out...

[N]ot one of the murders of abortionists or abortion clinic employees occurred prior to the inauguration of Bill Clinton. And the explanation for that is brutally simple.

Immediately after taking office, Clinton and his Attorney General, Janet Reno, began paying off their campaign debts to the abortion lobby. While Clinton got legislation passed to sweep the streets clean of peaceful non-violent picketers, Reno literally turned the Attorney General's office and the FBI into a private police force for the abortion industry.....

The project even had an official name... VAAPCON....

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Given this environment, it is hardly surprising that less than 3 months after Clinton and Reno began cracking skulls, the first shooting occurred. This is not to suggest that this atmosphere justified the violence. But... we cannot pretend it occurred in a vacuum.... [I]t would be illogical to ignore the fact that, before the Clinton/Reno inquisition began, not one abortion clinic employee or abortionist had ever been shot.

Now we fast-forward to 2009 and find the Obama administration, which mainly consists of has-beens and retreads from the Clinton administration, publicly labeling as terrorists anyone who thinks it is wrong to butcher unborn human beings by the millions. Then a short time later, we have the first shooting of an abortionist since Bill and Hillary burglarized the White House on their way out of town.

It appears liberals are unwittingly helping make Crutcher's case. Do you agree or disagree that pro-abortion, pro-lifer persecuting, presidential administrations increase the potential for violence by unstable people?


Comments:

It could be that the radicals were not as upset during Bush's administration, him being pro-life and everything. They probably get really upset when the presidents are pro-choice and act on it so they are more likely take 'more drastic measures' as they see it.

Just a thought.

Posted by: prettyinpink at June 13, 2009 2:19 PM


Yes, attempts by the radical left to suppress the freedom of speech by antiabortionist are what has caused the upsurge in both the activity of all prolife activists (including the very few violent ones), and the gains of prolifers in the polls, IMO.

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Washington state 'Where's The Birth Certificate' sign appears


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Posted by: James at June 13, 2009 2:46 PM


"If peaceful non-violent protest is impossible, then violent protest is inevitable."

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,

deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,

it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,

and to institute new Government,

laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form,

as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;

and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.


But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,

it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

-----------------------------------------------------

Whoa, now there are some extremist sentiments.

Anyone who signed on to this revolutionary rhetoric would be marginalized by the Obama administration and it's lap dog media as a bunch of angry white racist right wing homophobic intolerant bigots and potential domestic terrorists naively clinging to their God and their guns.

yor bro ken

Posted by: kbhvac at June 13, 2009 2:52 PM


PIP:

Sounds like you are doing well.

You may have something there. However, do you think that with the relatively small numbers of murders of abortion providers that we have enough occurrences to make any conclusion?

I think there were just 7 or 8 instances in the last 10 years (please correct me on this if need be). Not that any were acceptable. I'm just wondering that maybe no conclusions can be drawn based on such a small sample.

What do you think?

Perhaps there are other factors involved that set off these imbalanced people. What could those be?

Posted by: HisMan at June 13, 2009 3:14 PM


I agree that the paranoid among you (well, almost all of you really) see a president who supports women's freedom of choice as "persecuting" you, when all a pro-choice administration really does is keep you from persecuting women and trying to control their lives.

lol, yeah, right!

It's hard not to feel persecuted when the media and all those rabid proabort feminists like yourself, go around telling anyone who will listen that prolifers are responsible for Tiller's death. (I feel soooo guilty. NOT.)

Dreadful Penny, we have no problems with a woman making a choice to become pregnant. But once she's pregnant that choice is gone. There is another life now and the mother has a moral duty to see that this new life is protected and nurtured. Don't want to get pregnant don't have sex. Very very simple. Someday that will be the law again.

Posted by: angel at June 13, 2009 4:15 PM


Well, correlation isn't causality but I find it hard to believe it's a coincidence.

Posted by: Christina at June 13, 2009 5:09 PM


Solution to protection for abortionists:
Give abortion providers secret identities a la Bruce Wayne, a costume, underground office, etc.. No one will know the meek and humble man is really superhero, Abortoman.

Posted by: Janet at June 13, 2009 5:26 PM


Here's the thing:

You can blame Bush and the government that served for the past eight years for the chaos that has befallen in the Middle East- or at least, an awful lot of the chaos (maybe most)- but you certainly cannot blame him for radicals.

If people were so keen on reporting the news instead of pushing politics through selective omission, then they would more often note that Bush was the most-respected president in Africa because he did push anti-poverty measures, an awful lot of relief assistance, HIV/AIDS research, and campaigns to bring peace to Darfur.

In my research of Darfur, I found that lots of children are named George Bush because of the work that he did on behalf of the people of Darfur. He progressed children's rights greatly.

Yes, the invasion of the Middle East was horrific, but that was not all that he did.

If Think Progress would like to be taken seriously in their hatred of President Bush, then perhaps they might actually do what journalists are supposed to do: research and report what they find. They can't actually get away with calling themselves progressives by blaming bush for the murder of George Tiller when he had nothing to do with Kansas politics and medical law.

Posted by: Vannah at June 13, 2009 5:32 PM


Arg- they've left me seething.

What was the question for the weekend? Oh, yeah...

It would seem impossible to determine the point in which an individual turns to violence. It's many factors.

I think that when you have an unstable individual battling mental illness (tragically), you mix in constant pressures from various sources- be it politics, daily life, anything- and then add in a human rights crisis, anything is possible.

Though I'm not an expert at any of this. It's sad- Tiller didn't have to die. :(.

Posted by: Vannah at June 13, 2009 5:39 PM


Vannah, you shouldn't believe everything you hear about the war in Iraq, either. My husband spent a good amount of his time over there with the interpretors, and he said that they said they were overall glad that Saddam was out, and thankful.

Posted by: xalisae at June 14, 2009 8:41 AM


Vannah:

I have personally met Georges Sada, the Iraqi Air Force General who had first hand knowledge of what Saddam Hussein was doing. Hussein slaughtered millions of innocent people and Weapons of Mass Destruction were all shipped to Syria.

Everyone's talking about Iran but Syria is just as dangerous or more dangerous than Iran.

The point is that Iraqi War freed a whole people.

General Sada told me not to believe what the media was saying. He said the Iraqi people are exceptionally grateful for what we did there under George Bush.

Why is it Vannah that somehow all the negative reporting about Iraq has literally ceased since Obama is now in power?

Yes, "sheep being led to the slaughter".

Posted by: HisMan at June 14, 2009 9:17 AM


apple: I was referring to abortion not sex!

Posted by: angel at June 14, 2009 9:28 AM


I certainly hope that things are well in Iraq. I must confess, HisMan, that you make a very good point about the media coverage of Iraq and Obama, but, alas, it's lost on me since I don't have access to the news, except for the links that I read here (I try to follow them as often as I can), from Google News, and the newsletters that I get from the Save Darfur Coalition. Sorry. :(.

I'm glad, though, that people are happy. I can't help being a pacifist, however, but I do hope that good can come from removing Hussein from power.

How did you meet General Sada? :)

Posted by: Vannah at June 14, 2009 11:25 AM


VannaH;

I met General Sada at a fundraising dinner for the Phoenix Seminary.

Posted by: HisMan at June 14, 2009 12:48 PM


I am no fan of Bush's, but saying the Tiller shooting was Bush's fault is like saying the Columbine shootings were Marilyn Manson's fault.

Some people are radical psychopaths, they don't need someone to "give them the ok" per say. They'll do whatever they have rationalized in their minds.

Posted by: JKeller at June 15, 2009 12:09 AM


It was a pattern I noticed immediately, upon reviewing the dates of the attacks, that there were no shootings of abortionists during the Bush years.

I do rememmber crazy Janet Reno and her witch hunts. The FBI wasted time questioning our little rural pro-life group, instead of attending to the actual criminal offenders. Perhaps they liked the easy work of harassing people who oppose killing.

Posted by: pharmer at June 15, 2009 3:30 AM


A new false claim.
Blame a leader for not providing protection. When do we have killings in schools? should we blame Ob ama for the next one for not packing the school with federal marshalls to prevent the crime?
I will then also blame Obama for the shooting the same days as tiller at the recruiting office. He should have provided protection from Muslims.

Posted by: xppc at June 15, 2009 8:22 AM


It could be that the radicals were not as upset during Bush's administration, him being pro-life and everything. They probably get really upset when the presidents are pro-choice and act on it so they are more likely take 'more drastic measures' as they see it.

Just a thought.
Posted by: prettyinpink at June 13, 2009 2:19 PM

Actually, PIP, many whom you would classify as "radicals" in the pro-life movement thought that Pres. Bush did not do enough to end abortion.
I would like to correct one thing here -- and that is the man who murdered Tiller was NOT a pro-life activist. He was mentally unbalanced and identified with an anarchist movement.

Posted by: Eileen #2 at June 15, 2009 2:42 PM


"A new false claim."


xppc, liberals can only advance their causes through calumny and deception. They are desperate to maintain their stronghold. It seems that they have all been schooled in the Alinskian method -- yikes!!

Posted by: Eileen #2 at June 15, 2009 2:47 PM