In hot water over no hot water and bad boy abortionist
Last week, Alternatives abortion mill in Atlantic City became the 2nd NJ chop shop this year to have its suction machines unplugged by the NJ Health Dept., which conducted its first inspection since 2001 based on a tip.
According to a letter (right, click to enlarge) the NJHD wrote to Alternatives on June 22, which it also faxed to me, “the facility was found to have violations posing immediate and serious risk of harm to patients in areas including, but not limited to, the absence of a mechanical ventilator, the absence of Dantrium (an anti-hyperthermia drug), the absence of hot water for more than a year, and the absence of a scrub sink.”
I cannot comprehend a medical facility with no hot water and no scrub sink.
But there’s more.
Yesterday came word the clinic was being purchased by abortionist Steven Chase Brigham, who committed abortions there on June 8 and 15.
The notorious Brigham has had his medical license revoked in NY and FL, voluntarily returned it in PA (where he can never reapply), is on medical probation in CA, and was practicing with restrictions in NJ when this latest incident occurred.
Some of Brigham’s abortion butchery included puncturing a uterus, not treating an infection, over-sedating a 14-year-old, and missing a lacerated cervix, uterine artery, and uterus of an obese patient who later had to undergo an emergency hysterectomy.
Pro-aborts keep saying stories of horrific mills and the abortionists who run them are isolated.
Pro-aborts avert their eyes to protect abortion, certainly not women.
[Hat tip: Operation Rescue; photo courtesy Operation Rescue]
See also, “Found at legal abortion mill: ‘rusty crochet hooks’,” March 15, 2007
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Well then Jill,
That clinic should be perfect for him. He can commit all the atrocities he wants cause it’s already set up for malpractice.
I wonder if Smaug is looking for a job…have you got Chases phone number. You know, you can’t have too many heroes. Move over Mr. Tiller, Mr. Brigham has entered the race!
And seriously Jill, why would you need hot water anyway?
My friend on My Space sent me this bulletin today. This was the clinic I was telling you guys about on another thread. What a sleaze! I can’t wait to see the same thing happen to Tiller.
http://www.peopleforlife.org/brigham.html
He sounds like an excellent doctoer. *eye roll*
AAAKK, I meant Doctor.
Yeah well Heather,
You had just dropped your eye and everything…did you find it? Might have rolled under a table…
MK, LOL!
Where was he washing his hands? In the toilet? All joking aside, this is just as disturbing as the abortionist who was putting aborted babies down his garbage disposal. Paging NOW and NARAL!
Paging SOMG…….Paging Cameron…..
He over sedated a 14 year old. There’s another good reason for a minor to have to inform her parents prior to having an abortion.
Heather4life,
Wahing his hands in the toilet? The clinic probably wasn’t required to have them.
Mary, LOL! If organizations such as NOW and NARAL were really pro woman, then where the heck are they? I guarantee that you won’t hear one iota of outrage from either group! Had these been illegal abortion deaths or injuries, NOW, NAF, and NARAL would never let us hear the end of it.
I couldn’t help but notice that I can’t look at the full letter… it cut’s off abruptly… at guidelines.
Why can’t we see the rest of the letter?
I’m sure it’s nothing… but I’m wondering if maybe this because one of many areas was missing a scrub sink… that the absence of hot water means that the water was a few degrees below the required min.??? Lil’ things like that.. that a zealous nut job would continue to look for until found… seriously Hypothermia drug??
Anyhow… full report hasn’t been released yet.
BTW… NJRTL had been hounding the Gov. to do the inspection since March, and they had to make a fraudulent/hoax report to get the Health Department to pop in.
I suspect they’re not that bad though considering nobody has had filed any malpractice suits against them.
Hey… there’s an idea… maybe you all should send in a martyr… get her pregnant, somehow insure there will be a life threatening complication… That’s about your speed.
FYI, the abortionist IS the zealous nut job!
Hey, doesn’t that look like the guy from the abortionist videos Jill was posting a few weeks ago….
Cameron, if you’d like me to fax page 2 to you, email me your #. It included only a closing line:
Should you have any questions concerning this matter, I may be reached at (609) 984-8128.
Sincerely,
Deborah J. Gottlieb
Director
Health Care Facility Program Compliance
This story makes me MORE confident in the American abortion industry. It shows that poor practicioners are getting weeded out.
This is the system working as it is supposed to work. It’s one of the reasons serious complications from legal abortions are so rare.
Too bad that the bad practitioners are being weeded out this way. When will George Tiller make the list? He’s butchered many. He killed Christen Gilbert. How many women must be maimed or killed before the practitioner has to pay the price?
Did you say practitioners or quacktitioners? If they are weeding them out, then it won’t be long before George Tiller’s clinic closes.
Heather, you wrote:
“Too bad that the bad practitioners are being weeded out this way.”
It’s not bad, it’s good! Weeding out the bad practicioners keeps complication rates down.
I think I understand you now–you WANT abortion to be dangerous! And you confuse what you want with what is true.
“When will George Tiller make the list?” Never. He’s too good at what he does.
“He’s butchered many.” –That’s a slander.
Thanks Deb,
Faxing me a copy doesn’t help people visiting this web site, though I do appreaciate the offer.
I was wondering why it’s not posted fully here for everyone to see. However, as I’ve suggested, I don’t think it’s that big a deal, and we know the full report hasn’t been released to the media yet. Whatever remains of this letter… I know it’s not the full report.
Best,
Cameron
….Deborah J. Gottlieb…hmmmm
You didn’t by chance happen to grow-up in North Dakota??
Abortion is already bad and dangerous! How many others have made the list along with this guy? Brian L. Finkle: currently serving a 35 year prison sentence for numerous rapes and molestations. Lawrence Reich: License revoked after raping, molesting and stalking abortion patients. Ivan Namihas: License revoked after multiple counts of sexually abusing patients. Shall I continue?
Heather, suit yourself, but I have already explained that a list of bad practicioners doesn’t prove anything. If you’re too dumb to understand that, there’s nothing more I can do for you.
Why doesn’t it prove anything?
It proves that the entire industry is a sleaze pit filled with sleaze bags!
Because you can make a list of bad practicioners in ANY field or profession or speciality. In order to show that “abortion is … bad and dangerous”, you would need to show that abortion docs are WORSE than everybody else, that there are MORE bad abortion docs per capita than there are bad obstetricians, or bad ophthalmologists, or whatever. A list of bad practicioners doesn’t prove that.
For every bad practicioner on your list, I could make a list of a hundred good abortion docs.
Well let’s see it then.
You can keep your argument about dentists, opthamologists, podiatrists, etc. Here’s the difference. The teenager molested by the abortionist probably isn’t going to report it. Why? SHAME! Parental consent is required in every other medical procedure except abortion. Why do you think that these guys get away with this for so long? They prey on minors. Ha! Who’s going to believe her? She never wanted anyone to know about her abortion anyway. She’ll never tell. The same can hold true for a grown woman. Finkle was raping minors and adults.
Heather, you wrote: “Parental consent is required in every other medical procedure except abortion.”
Parental consent is not required if the patient is an EMANCIPATED minor. Circumstances in which a minor is emancipated include being married, residing elsewhere than with the parents, and PREGNANCY.
In other words, parental consent is not required for abortion because pregnancy is an emancipating circumstance, in Pennsylvania, anyway. The pregnant minor could have any operation without parental consent because her pregnancy means she is emancipated.
At least, that’s what they teach in the med school.
They can’t all be emancipated minors. Nice try though.
Somg, Okay. I have a serious question for you. Why do YOU think that all of these abortionists got away with their inappropriate behavior for so long? We are talking YEARS of abuse.
SOMG…I live in PA. The last time I looked, parental consent was necessary for anyone 17 or younger to have an abortion. New Jersey has the emancipated minor rule, I believe. (I know this because one of my best friends was 17 when she had her abortion, and I needed to help her find where she could do it legally, across the border in NJ).
The law in PA may have changed since I was there. I’m just repeating what they taught in the med school.
Heather, yes, if pregnancy is considered an emancipating circumstance, then all minor abortion patients are emancipated minors. We don’t do abortions on patients who are not pregnant.
Regarding your other question (Finkle) it’s just hard for people to believe a doc would molest his patients that way. Also, much of his inappropriate touching could be described in a way to make it sound like clinical examination.
It’s a little like the case of Dr. Swango, the neurologist who murdered many patients by putting ant-killer into their iv lines (See BLIND EYE, THE TERRIFYING STORY OF A DOCTOR WHO GOT AWAY WITH MURDER, by James B. Stewart.) It should have been obvious to his peers that something was wrong with this guy, all his patients dying, long before they finally got him, but no one could bring themselves to face it, so they kept passing him along. His peers’ and supervisors’ inability to face the facts cost many lives.
If you’re too dumb to understand that, there’s nothing more I can do for you.
*sound of buzzer*
try again
SMUG,
BTW… NJRTL had been hounding the Gov. to do the inspection since March, and they had to make a fraudulent/hoax report to get the Health Department to pop in.
This was from Cameron…and I thought he was on your side.
Guess their not being weeded out after all…the only reason this guy was caught is that pro LIFERS were on the ball…
Smut,
It’s a little like the case of Dr. Swango, the neurologist who murdered many patients by putting ant-killer into their iv lines (See BLIND EYE, THE TERRIFYING STORY OF A DOCTOR WHO GOT AWAY WITH MURDER, by James B. Stewart.)
Okay, that’s one neurologist…we’d need about 100 more to prove that all and any practice has as many rapists, molesters, malpractices as the abortion industry. We’ve given you dozens of examples. Where are yours?
I know in Minnesota we’ve had a few issues with pedophile pediatricians…
MK, if you haven’t figured out that lists of bad practicioners are meaningless yet, you are too dumb for me to help you.
MK, you’re just pretending, right? You’re not really as dumb as you’re pretending to be. You can’t be.
MK, do you know who has that Brigham page? They need to open a blog that just tracks him, the way Operation Rescue has their “Tiller Watch”.
Cameron, have you read the medical board documents from the New York and New Jersey investiations? They stopped about a milimeter short of flat-out calling him a psychopath.
The New York medical board, for example, said that Brigham “has shown inexcusably bad judgment”. They noted that Brigham “showed no hint that he understood he had made errors in judgment of extradorinary gravity.”
“Respondent repeatedly exaggerated his medical training, experience and skill.” He “has demonstrated that he lacks appropriate judgment and insight as to his own limitations. he routinely displayed a tendency to inflate and embellish the truth.”
They noted that Brigham “regularly referred to himself as an emergency room physician.” But his “experience and training in emergency medicine consited of part-time positions in various emergency rooms.”
“Respondent testified that his credential in abortion procedures arose from taking a formal course of study in abortion as offered by Planned Parenthood …. However, he … admitted that he has never done a residency in OB/GYN. Moreover, Respondent later admitted that he did not complete the course in first trimester abortion practice offered by Planned Parenthood…. Eventually, Respondent testified that what he referred to as special training in preparation for his activities in the abortion field consisted of limited interludes of observation of other physicians.”
“[A]ccording to Respondent, he and his staff were giving Patient A more attention than she would get in an intensive care unit. Respondent’s answer to this question and others evidences his inability to distinguish between mere attention and appropriate care.”
The Board’s committee concluded that Brigham was “under trained, has demonstrated grievous deviations from accepted standards of care and diligence, has shown submarginal abilities and has evidenced not the slightest recognition of any of his deficiencies.”
SoMG, why don’t you tell Edrica Greene how lucky she was that she was able to get a safe, legal abortion in a clean and sanitary facility overseen by the state?
Oh wait! You can’t! She died!
Not that it matters, right? Like Jill said in another post, when a woman dies from an illegal abortion it’s the prolifers’ fault, and when she dies from a legal abortion, shit happens, get over it.
BTW, SoMG, Brigham hasn’t been “weeded out.” He still owns a string of abortion facilities. Shutting one of them is like stepping on a cockroach. It doesn’t address the infestation.
SoMG, how many quacks would it take to consititute evidence that there’s a problem?
Answer: Infinity.
I bet that even if every single legal abortionist was a total quack, leaving patients to bleed to death on the bathroom floor on a regular basis, you’d still shrug and say, “Hey, it’s better than a rusty coathanger!”
Because it’s not about the women. If it was, you’d be screaming for Brigham’s head on a plate. Or at least his balls.
SoMG, I think I may take you up on that.
I’ll even cut you down to 10% of what you promised. I’ll name a quack, and you name ten guys — and you need to back up your claims that they’re abortionists — that aren’t quacks.
We’ll play this game until one of us runs out.
Are you game?
We’ve started with Brigham. Give us ten abortionists who are responsible doctors.
Slug,
MK, if you haven’t figured out that lists of bad practicioners are meaningless yet, you are too dumb for me to help you.
*sound of buzzer*
try again.
Obviously, the point goes to me. I figure when all you can come up with is an insult, it means I stumped you. Have you no pity for those of us whose intellect can’t compete with the great and powerful OX? (oops, I mean OZ)
If you list these practitioners reaaaallllly slowly, maybe I’ll be able to follow along. Or can’t you come up with any.
I’ll repeat the question. Take your time with it.
I know big words like Neurologist can throw you…
Okay, that’s one neurologist…we’d need about 100 more to prove that all and any practice has as many rapists, molesters, malpractices as the abortion industry. We’ve given you dozens of examples. Where are yours?
Christina and MK, LOL! He left because he couldn’t do it!
SOMG says; ‘Finkles inappropriate touching could be described in a way to make it sound like a clinical examination.’ *choking* Unfortunately for those women, that’s how NOW and NARAL thought too! I don’t think most women have it backwards. He told one girl “If you give me a [slang for oral sex] I’ll pay for you to get your teeth fixed.” To another “Masterbate for me.” Leave it to you to defend him though. Perhaps these are clinical things that I have never heard about.
Is a man’s penis penetrating a woman’s vagina clinical? * sound the buzzer* Paging SOMG!…….paging.
Perhaps he should have offered to fix her teeth first…that way when she “paid” him it might have been a better “application”…
Disgusting!
MK, I just love that *sound the buzzer* that’s a keeper! Sandy invented the paging. As Paris and Nicole would say “Loves it!”
Hey Christina! I was thinking about leaving a note for you on your blog. Since you’re good with statstics, a former EMT, and familiar with abortion malpractice cases, I was thinking perhaps you could assist me in refuting some of SoMg’s arguments.
Just see the comment thread for the entry on Tiller: http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/06/tiller_charged.html#comments
Rachael, I think our approach need to be taking him/her/it up on the offer to list 100 decent, honest abortion providers for every quack.
And like I said, I’ll cut it to 10.
We’ve named Brigham and Kline. SoMG owes us 20 good, decent abortion practitioners.
I’ll give him/her/it a head start by listing Suzanne Poppema, Warren Hern, and David Grimes. So SoMG only has to contribute 17 before we move to Round Two.
Christina, I love this! There is absolutly no way he’ll be able to do it. If he does, I’ll eat my hat!
Somg, you can’t use Edward Allred. He refers to his patients as “tramps” and “dogs” on a routine basis. So if you were planning on it, get back to the drawing board.
tick toc tick toc tick toc…… where is that list of abortionists?
tick toc…. how about just one? Paging SOMG…..paging!
Christina,
The reason I ask for you familiarity in abortion malpractice cases and statistics is that SoMg’s challenge to me was and I quote, “Unless you have information that shows malpractice to be more common among abortion doctors than in other fields of practice, your list is meaningless” and “I’m waiting for you to post statistics showing that malpractice and poor conditions are more common among abortion docs than among other kinds of docs.”
” (I know this because one of my best friends was 17 when she had her abortion, and I needed to help her find where she could do it legally, across the border in NJ).”
Yea, you helped her alright…
tick toc tick toc…. Hell is freezing over. Where is that list of 100 good abortionists?
Yes, Jasper, I helped her exercise the choice that she painstakingly and carefully made. I bought her the pregnancy test, comforted her when that stick turned the hellish shade of blue, and we discussed her options. She made the decision, and I, as one of her best friends, helped her carry out that decision. I gave her money, made her appointment, arranged her transport there and back (I didn’t have a car at the time, or I would’ve definitely driven her there), and hugged and cried with her.
Guess what? She’s happier than she’s ever been. I honestly can’t say that I would value something that would ruin my friend’s very bright future and use her against her consent over my friend herself. I only regret not being able to go with her to the appointment itself and hold her hand (which our mutual best friend did, instead).
I took care of her the best way I knew how. Before the abortion, she was suicidal. And now she’s radiantly happy and free. I don’t regret helping her, because I can see the result of it JUST fine.
Yes, Jasper, I helped her exercise the choice that she painstakingly and carefully made.
Well let me ask this, and this is a very real scenario which happens to teens everday, if a friend had come to you, afraid and pregnant and she wants to have the baby and raise it, but her parents are pressuring her to have an abortion and are otherwise threatening to kick her out, would you assist her and support her in exercising the choice she made, with as much support as you did the friend who choose to have an abortion?
*…would you assist her and support her in exercising the choice she made, with as much support as you did a friend who chooses to have an abortion? What type of help or support would you provide?
Actually, Rachael, I would, and I have. My other long-time friend became pregnant at 17 in our senior year. She chose to maintain the pregnancy, and all of us, ALL of her friends, were happy for her choice. I helped her out with baby clothes, formula, diapers, toys, you name it. (We kind of threw a mini-shower for her! :D )Although her mother was more than willing to help her raise the child, if the situation would arise that she needed help to find a safe place to go, I’d jump through hoops to make sure she’d get there. I just regret not knowing of when she went into labor (she didn’t have time to call), and I never go to be there for the birth of her daughter.
Really, Rachael, I would never leave my friends out in the cold. If they come to me for help, I’ll assist them in whatever they need. I treated both my friend who needed an abortion and my friend who chose to maintain her pregnancy exactly the same, as in, I love them both and respect both decisions.
SMOGGY, time is up. Christina even gave you a head start!
Lyssie, every day I pray a prayer of thanks that I did NOT have a friend like you. I had a friend who helped me find a cheaper apartment in a better neighborhood and got his mom to teach me to cook cheap, nutritious Mexican food.
I have my son. Your friend has a dead baby.
Rachael I recall seeing an analysis that said how much more often abortionists are sued for malpractice versus ob/gyns and versus other doctors. You should be able to find it if you do a search, or you can contact Life Dynamics. I don’t know offhand.
Heather, I think the dozen dead women and the admission that he and his staff have never done a preventability assessment after a patient death would have to disqualify Fast Eddie Allred from any list of decent or even normal human beings, much less from a list of responsible, caring abortionists.
SoMG, you seem to be having trouble coming up with ten good abortionists for every seedy quack I name.
I gave you Warren Hern, Suzanne Poppema, and David Grimes. I’ll even include the dead and give you George Lotrel Timanus, the famous illegal abortionist of Baltimore. And Michael Burnhill, late Medical Director of PPFA.
That’s five. You only need to come up with fifteen more.
Or is ten too many? You’d promised a hundred.
I’ll make it even simpler, SoMG. You name a decent abortionist, I’ll name a quack, and we’ll see who cracks first.
I’ll start with the head start I gave you:
Decent abortionist: Suzanne Poppema Quack: Brigham
Decent abortionist: David Grimes. Quack: Alan Kline
Decent abortionist: Warren Hern. Quack: Fast Eddie Allred
Decent abortionist: Michael Burnhill. Quack: Lawson Akpolonu, currently fled to avoid prosecution after being caught raping patients on the abortion table
Decent abortionist: George Lotrell Timanus. Quack: Suresh Gandotra, who left Magdalena Rodriguez unattended to bleed to death with a dead, maimed 32-week fetus shoved through a hole in her uterus.
Now it’s your turn. You come up with a non-quack, I’ll provide a quack. That’s asking for just 1 percent of what you said you could provide in terms of defending abortion providers.
If you think I’m going to put my Ab/GYN friends’ names on a board like this, you’re nuts.
By the way, how did you come up with David Grimes’ name? I met him once at a MSfC convention.
And if want me to compile a list of abortion docs who have not been disciplined or sued you’re going to have to pay for my time. I said I “could” make such lists, not “would”. You could make them just as easily.
I would add Tiller to your list.
To your list of good ones, I mean.
Christina, Let’s not forget that Fast Eddie is as racist as a racist can be. Move over DAVID DUKE!! How many women have died in his care? What? No investigations?? How about all of this sexual misconduct? Every time I see a male gyno, there is always a female nurse in the examination room with me! Is this not the case in abortion clinics? Brian Finkle’s nurse testified in court “If an attractive woman came in for an abortion, he would always find a way to be alone with her.” Why? A little extra curricular activity on the mind? Why wouldn’t a GOOD nurse question this? He was also able to get some of the women to engage in consensual sex with him.
Lawrence Reich was sexually abusing patients for years before anyone bothered with him. A woman by the name of Yvette Chambers told reporters ” I was on his examination table with my legs still spread apart.” “He had just finished my pelvic exam.” “He began to ask me personal questions about my sex life, and the touch of his fingers in my vagina felt strange.” “I began to feel very uncomfortable, but I kept thinking, he’s a doctor.” “He’s a professional.” Then she said that all of a sudden he leaned over and invited her out on a lunch date. She said “EEEEWWWWW, I have just been violated.” He asked another patient to masturbate for him, so he could tell her if she was doing it correctly.
Christina, I had forgotten all about Akpolonu. Another perverted abortionist.
Finkle isn’t sorry either. Evidently he’s been bragging to fellow inmates about how wonderful the world of abortion was. He’s on record stating; “Women who want abortions will do whatever it takes to get one.” “I loved my job, because I got to play with [slang for breasts] and [slang for vaginas] all day. Sick! He’s now rotting in an Arizona prison.Kudos!
To answer your other question, Christina, (“How many quack abortionists would it take to constitute a problem?”), one answer is, it would take enough of them botching enough abortions so that the AMA would stop saying things like “Serious complications from legal abortion are rare.” and “the mortality rate from legal abortion is less than one per hundred thousand.”
I guess you could make an average of poor practicioners in each medical subfield, as if you were an assessor working for a malpractice insurance firm deciding how much to charge in premiums. There would have to be a statistically significantly higher of poor practice in the abortion industry than in other health-care specialities. That is, in order for me to recognise a problem, you’d have to show that malpractice is MORE common among abortion providers than amoung, say, ophthalmologists, orthopedic surgeons, and obstetricians.
There is no evidence showing that abortion doctors malpractice any more than other physicians. There is no evidence that abortion docs get sued any more than other physicians, in spite of well-funded right-to-life organizations that exist solely to bring malpractice suits against abortion docs. There IS, however, a well-funded effort to find or manufacture such evidence. If there were any such evidence, we’d have heard about it by now.
I’ve posted this before and you haven’t responded. I think that’s because the web sites you frequent to get your lists of quack abortionists don’t post any hard numbers. This is because the numbers are all against you. Having a legal abortion is approximately ten times more safe than giving birth, in terms of mortality and in terms of lasting damage to your reproductive plumbing, including (by the way) the cervix.
That’w what the GYN’s teach each other, anyway. And you only need to see a few abortions and a few births to understand it.
Sorry to write all that filth, but I have never had a male gyno. speak to me that way. I have never been left alone with a male gyno. They have all been wonderful and professional.
These days male GYNs are very very careful about that, by and large.
it would take enough of them botching enough abortions so that the AMA would stop saying things like “Serious complications from legal abortion are rare.” and “the mortality rate from legal abortion is less than one per hundred thousand.”
They’re getting their bogus information from the CDC, which is run by people who failed to count an abortion death that got discussed right in front of them. I swear, if Latachie Veal had crawled to Atlanta and died on the floor of Lisa Koonin’s office with her aftercare instructions still clutched in her hand, Koonin would have stepped over the body and complained about the mess and still wouldn’t have counted her.
I’m working on tracking down the source on how much more often abortionists get sued than do ob/gyns and other legitimate doctors. I’m not in the US so I can’t go to a university library like I would if I were stateside. I have to do everything online and sometimes things are obscure and difficult to track down.
I wish you’d listen to the National Abortion Federation tapes, with Warren Hern telling his fellows to stop committing malpractice, and that ACLU lawyer telling them she was sick of “beating the shit out of” women to get them to drop their lawsuits. This is stuff they’re saying to each other behind closed doors, so you can’t claim that it’s all “antichoice propaganda.”
Slug,
Pay you for your time?
You are the cheapest Son of a B*#&@! I have ever met. Not to mention the laziest.
Christina,
You could probably add Smaug to your list of nasty ole abortion doctors. Except he didn’t cut it as a doctor and is stuck being a nurse practitioner.
Why would you even argue with someone whose greatest aspiration is to be an abortion provider and he couldn’t even accomplish that?
ewww…gotta go wash my hands now.
Aww, well, Christina, I honestly could care less that you don’t have a friend like me. However, if you actually would THINK about it, there is no difference between your friend and me…the difference is between my friend and you. She did not want to maintain her pregnancy, you did. And your friend and I did the best we could to help out our friends the way they wanted to be helped. I already said that I helped another friend finance and maintain a pregnancy (I have never asked for repayment, thank you). You seem to think that I “encouraged” my friend to abort. It was her choice, not mine. If I had been your friend, and you had gotten pregnant, I would have helped you in ANY way you needed, or chose.
And my friend doesn’t have a dead baby. She has an amazing opportunity at life. Period. Sorry, some women just don’t view a 7-week embryo to be important enough to waste one’s life on. That’s my friend’s decision, not yours. I’m glad you made the choice that was best for you in your circumstances and that it worked out the way you had hoped.
And my other friend has a two-year old. And she’s happy with her life. Both choices were for the better. Amen. Period.
Smuk, you probably ARE a perverted NP. Is it any wonder that you idolize the real deal? Is it any wonder that you would take up for a perverted abortionist? “It’s all in her head.” “What does that stupid female know?” “I’ll be the judge of what happened.” I would never trust you. You are a quack yourself. You have said that you work in a hospital. I wonder what that hospital would think about you and your death threats. Your a$$ would be canned!
“However, if you actually would THINK about it, there is no difference between your friend and me.”
Oh yes, there is Lyssie, while Satan was working through you, God was working through Christina’s friend.
Alyssa,
She has an amazing opportunity at life. Period. Sorry, some women just don’t view a 7-week embryo to be important enough to waste one’s life on.
Sweetie, you know I love you.
But…
She has an amazing life because she has a dead baby would be a more accurate description. I’ll even give you “she has an amazing life AND a dead baby” or “She has an amazing life in spite of a dead baby”…
Anyway you put it, she still has a dead baby.
And I’m actually a little disappointed in this statement: Sorry, some women just don’t view a 7-week embryo to be important enough to waste one’s life on.
That is really cold, Lyss. I can understand (vehemently disagree with, but understand)the view point that some women view the responsibility of caring for a newborn and raising a child as so overwhelming that it becomes, in their mind, necessary to end their pregnancy…but important enough to “waste” one’s life on? ooohhh…hand me some mittens.
Gonna take this to a new post…in case it gets dropped.
Jasper, again, you seem to be disregarding the fact that I actually helped a friend maintain a pregnancy. She GAVE BIRTH AND IS RAISING HER DAUGHTER. HELLOOOO??? Do you people think?
Honestly, I wish you could meet my friend who had an abortion. If you really don’t think she’s happy (highly successful in school, working a great job, has so much potential), then you’re a complete dimwit. If you told her today that she did the wrong thing, she’d laugh in your face and show you how wonderful her life is. She’d have killed herself long ago if she’d been forced to let something use her body and ruin her dreams. She DIDN’T WANT TO BE PREGNANT. I WAS NOT GOING TO FORCE HER TO GESTATE AND WATCH HER LIFE DETERIORATE. How effing dumb are you people?
Again, if she had needed the exact same thing that Christina had, I would have helped her like Christina’s friend. You act completely idiotic, when I only would have helped someone achieve what they needed. And I would rather have some make-believe “satan” working through me than whatever facsimile of “righteousness” you think you have working for you. I did what was RIGHT. I KNOW it was right. I could care less what your judgments are, and you can piss off.
By the way, if any of my friends got pregnant now and wanted to continue with the pregnancy, I’d help her again in a heartbeat. Just as I would if she wanted to abort. What do I do in the second situation? Leave her out in the cold, you sick, sanctimonious, falsely-concerned bigots? I would rather have my friend alive and happy than suicidal, pregnant, and eventually dead.
No regrets, Jasper and Christina. Would help her again without batting an eye. Wouldn’t care what you have to say. :)
Oh, and Jasper: *smooch* Figured you needed it.
She may feel as though she has a great life now, but give it time. She’ll regret it sooner or later. All of my friends have. Shocker! I just got off the phone with a friend of mine. She and I talk about a lot of things. Today the abortion topic came up. This lady is in her early 50s. She told me that she has 3 abortions in her past. I never would have suspected. She had a hysterectomy 10 years ago d/t cancer. She told me today, “I regret my abortions.” “Now I am growing old alone.” She drinks every day, and she told me that she feels lonely.
You’re exactly right Heather, Lyssie’s friend may think it’s ok now, but she will eventually look back and regret this very poor decision. Now, at first it would’ve been tough for Lyssie’s friend, but eventually it would’ve become easier and she’d come realize that her child is blessing.
Anyone who kills their own child cannot be a happy person. You can put on the happy face, but what’s underneath it all?
The difference is, Jasper and Heather, that she does not believe that a 7-week embryo is in any way comparable to a child that cries, speaks, or is capable of surviving on its own body, and NOT the body of another person.
SMOG says; These days male GYN’s are very very careful about that, by and large. A GOOD male GYN will be careful about these things! I guess this doesn’t apply to the abortionist. We know he isn’t good, but is he above it all? I don’t believe that the majority of male GYN’s are going to risk their careers and have some false accusations made against them by some untruthful woman. That’s why they CTAsses! Since when is a female allowed to be alone with a male doctor during a pelvic exam?