Clarence Thomas: Confirmation “lynching” was all about abortion
From the Baltimore Sun, this afternoon:
You’ll have two chances to see Clarence Thomas in the next few days, likely two more than you’ve had in a very long time.
The notoriously private justice will be on CBS’ 60 Minutes Sunday and then on ABC throughout the day on Monday, culminating in an extended interview on Nightline. Monday is the first day of the new Supreme Court term.
Thomas is availing himself for interviews in advance of the release of his new book, “My Grandfather’s Son.”
Rush will also play a 1-1/2 hour interview Monday he taped with Thomas yesterday.
According to a CBS advance story yesterday:
In his first television interview, in which he discusses his childhood, his race, his rise to Supreme Court Justice and his job on the nation’s highest court, Clarence Thomas says the real issue at his controversial confirmation hearings 16 years ago was abortion….
Saying the issue was “the elephant in the room,” Thomas also tells 60 Minutes correspondent Steve Kroft that the hearings he called at the time a “high-tech lynching” harmed the country….
Thomas, whose Supreme Court positions on abortion issues have been conservative, says the confirmation hearings in which he was accused of sexual harassment by a former employee — allegations he continues to deny — were really about abortion. “That was the elephant in the room … That was the issue. That is the issue that people are apparently so upset about,” he tells Kroft. “[That is the issue] that you determine the composition of your Supreme Court and your entire federal judiciary, it seems now,” says Thomas.
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Thomas'”lynching” was all about abortion. Well, dahhh. I’ve had more than a few feminists admit that to me long ago.
From day one the Hill/Thomas hearings were a disgusting farce. There you have, passing judgement on Clarence Thomas, Ted Kennedy of Chippaquidick fame. At the time of the hearings Kennedy was also trying to get his nephew out of
a rape charge, a charge stemming from an incident that occured after a night of Tomcatting with Uncle Ted, who one would think a tad old to be out romping like a college boy.
Did feminists rush to the defense of this woman? Did they express one iota of outrage? Did they have a problem with Senator Ted Kennedy out hustling women? In a word, no.
Clarence Thomas was persecuted for his politics, not his alleged lousy pickup lines.
The very feminists who descended on Thomas like a pack of hyenas were strangely silent when Bill Clinton was accused of everything from exposing himself to rape. That says it all.
After President Hillary Clinton signs the Freedom of Choice Act into law, we won’t have to fight about this issue when Supreme Court justices are appointed any more.
Mary, also where was the support for Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones. Weren’t these the very same feminists who said that Lewinsky was “too fat” and Jones was “too ugly” to “land” Bill Clinton?…………As if he’s some prize.
To SoMG: dream on.
To Mary and Heather: dittos.
Paul, it’s not that unlikely (that President Hillary Clinton will sign the FOCA into law.)
It depends on whether the Democrats gain enough senate seats in 2008 to break a filibuster.
Remember also that some pro-choice republicans will also vote to break the filibuster. Arlen Spector, Olympia Snowe.
“The very feminists who descended on Thomas like a pack of hyenas were strangely silent when Bill Clinton was accused of everything from exposing himself to rape. That says it all.”
Yes Mary, you put it perectly once again!
…another thing about Ted Kennnedy and Chippaquidick; when he drove his car off of the bridge and left the girl inside the car to die, it has been proven that she was alive for nearly 10 hours afterwards! because of the position of her body and the air-pocket inside. Instead of him trying to get help or call the police that night, he went back to the hotel and left her dying in the car. It has been reported that back at the hotel, instead of him trying to help for the girl, he immediatly was thinking about ways to cover his ass, as he never told anybody at the Hotel that he got into an accident and there was a girl trapped in his car.
jasper and Mary, excellent and true posts!!
SOMG,
Are you a prophet?
Well I don’t converse with the almighty, if that’s what you mean. But this prediction I can make with some confidence.
Slavery / Abortion Similarities
Slavery
Abortion
Dred Scott 1857 7-2 Decision
Roe vs. Wade 7-2 Decision
Black Non-Person
Unborn Non-Person
Property of Owner
Property of Owner (Mother)
Choose to Buy-Sell-Kill
Choose to Keep or Kill
Abolitionists Should Not Impose Morality on Slave Owner
Pro-Lifers Should Not Impose Morality on Mother
Slavery is Legal
Abortion is Legal
…another thing about Ted Kennnedy and Chippaquidick; when he drove his car off of the bridge and left the girl inside the car to die, it has been proven that she was alive for nearly 10 hours afterwards!
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Yeah! …And Laura Bush shrieked “I WILL NOT BE IGNORED” as she hit the gas and slaughtered her High School ex-boyfriend Michael Douglas!
Report: Laura Bush in 1963 Car Wreck
By JIM VERTUNO, Associated Press Writer
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) – At 17, Laura Bush ran a stop sign and crashed into another car, killing her boyfriend who was driving it, according to an accident report released to The Associated Press on Wednesday.
Mrs. Bush is the wife of Republican presidential nominee-to-be George W. Bush (news – web sites), the Texas governor.
“It was a very tragic accident that deeply affected the families and was very painful for all involved, including the community at large,” said her spokesman, Andrew Malcolm. “To this day, Mrs. Bush remains unable to talk about it.”
Mrs. Bush did say in March, when asked at a campaign stop about the crash, “I know this as an adult, and even more as a parent, it was crushing … for the family involved and for me as well.”
According to the two-page accident report released Wednesday by the city of Midland, Laura Welch was driving her Chevrolet sedan on a clear night shortly after 8 p.m. on Nov. 6, 1963, when she drove into an intersection and struck a Corvair sedan driven by 17-year-old Michael Douglas.
Although previous news accounts have reported Douglas was thrown from the car and broke his neck, those details were not in the report.
The speed of Laura Bush’s car was illegible on the report. The speed limit for the road was 55.
Neither driver was drinking, the police report said.
Laura Bush and her passenger, Judy Dykes, also 17, were taken to a hospital and treated for minor injuries, according to an accident account printed at the time in the Midland Reporter-Telegram.
The police report indicates no charges were filed. That section of the report was left blank.
“As far as we know, no charges were filed,” said Midland city attorney Keith Stretcher. “I don’t think it’s unusual that charges weren’t filed.”
The police report was released after an open records request was submitted to Midland officials in March. City officials had declined to release the records because the victims were under 18.
SOMG,9/29 9:18am
Truly amazing. However SOMG, you will also have to take into consideration the fact the American people are not as supportive of abortion as they have been, or the abortion establishment wants to believe they are. The abortion industry is already scraping the bottom of the toilet for abortionists. Medical schools are being pressured into teaching students abortion techniques. Why is this necessary? I understand the mayor of New York was pressured by abortion groups to require medical students to be trained in abortion techniques. I’m not certain whatever became of this, but I thought you folks preach about the right to choose and freedom of conscience.
Heather,
Excellent post comparing slavery and abortion.
I also remember how Monica Lewinsky was viciously attacked as a liar, that is until it was shown Bill was the liar. Well, that’s perfectly undestandable that HE would lie. What else can the poor man do under the circumstances?
Even clergy were defending him. Unreal.
Slavery / Abortion differences:
The slave does not reside inside another person’s body.
The slave does not live by extracting material from another person’s bloodstream.
The slave does not live by subjecting another person to potentially severe medical/surgical trauma.
Laura,
Laura Bush is not an elected official.
Ted Kennedy is.
What could Laura have done after the crash to save the guy’s life?
What could Ted have done after the crash to save the girl’s life?
Laura,
How many accidents have you been in? I’ve had a few myself, including near misses such as running a stop sign(I had to pull over right afterward and calm down, as that’s a very busy county road) and another where I caused a another driver to swerve and nearly hit a lamppost. Thank God no one was standing by the lamppost or on that corner when when it happened. These accidents happened when I was an adult with many years driving experience. Oh, and I collided with a train in the dead of night as well, totalling my car. I’m sure plenty of people on this blog can give some equally horrifying accounts.
What you describe is the kind of tragic accident that occurs every day in this country. That it would happen to an inexperienced driver, which Mrs. Bush was at the time, is hardly surprising.
Did Laura leave the scene of the accident and someone die as the result of no help arriving for several hours? She wasn’t intoxicated. No charges were filed. What’s your point?
Also your first comment as to how Laura shrieked “I will not be ignored Dan”, please. This is tragic enough without this kind of warped commentary.
Somg,
So what if Hillary becomes president and signs foca?
People who care about justice won’t just shut up.
Bowing to unjust authority is outside of their character.
Abolitionist worked far longer and had bigger setbacks and less support and didn’t give up.
Suffragettes didn`t give up.
Plus many in the prolife movement are religious and feel a duty to higher authority.
Look at the Jews who have struggled since forever and faced extermination attempts, yet persist and continue to influence society.
Those crying out for justice will not be silenced or squashed.
On the “innocent” unborn
One often hears right-to-lifers talk about the “innocence” of the unborn. Abortion, they say, is the killing of an innocent human being.
Well, the word “innocent” comes from two roots: “in”, meaning “not” (as in words like “indecent” and “incommunicado”), and “nocent”, derived from the latin “nocere”, meaning to harm. Thus an “innocent” person is one who causes no harm.
However, the unborn cause labor and delivery, which are harmful to the mother. Since they cause harm, the unborn are not innocent. They are in fact “nocent”.
Abortion is the justifiable homicide of a non-innocent person.
Hippie, you wrote: “So what if Hillary becomes president and signs foca? ”
Well then we won’t need to fight about abortion when Supreme Court justices are nominated.
Somg,
you wrote:
Abortion is the justifiable homicide of a non-innocent person.
Posted by: SoMG at September 29, 2007 10:27 AM
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My brother calls assertions such as these, ” I think therefore it is true. ”
Simply saying something is justified doesn`t make it so.
Calling it a non-person doesn`t make it so.
Over and over throughout history those in power have made the same argument to justify killing the powerless.
SSDD — Same Stuff Different Day
Mary, you wrote: “the American people are not as supportive of abortion as they have been, or the abortion establishment wants to believe they are.”
The large majority of Americans don’t care much about abortion one way or the other.
Right-to-lifers are a small minority which is overfunded by eccentric billionaires like Richard Mellon Scaife.
You wrote: “The abortion industry is already scraping the bottom of the toilet for abortionists.”
This may have been true in the 1980s and early 1990s, but now Medical Students for Choice (MSFC) has been around for more than a decade, representing thousands of med students and residents, many of whom are now in practice. The much-ballyhooed “shortage” of abortion docs exists only in those parts of the country where docs generally are in short supply–ultra-rural places like West Virginia and parts of the Deep South.
The “shortage” is a myth used by pro-choice organizations to raise money.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
The only justifiable homicide would be self defense. That’s it! An unborn child didn’t invade a woman’s womb. The woman PUT it there with a little help from her sex partner. Some of you talk crazy.
Somg, you have come here and made many false statements before. Proof, please. You failed to back up many of the things you’ve said before. I have seen the opposite. I am running in to more and more people who are pro life! I just don’t believe you.
The only bubble that will burst is yours. How about the time that you claimed that volunteers worked in PP/abortion recovery rooms. When I called you out, you then claimed that they were pre med students. Ya, don’t make things up as you go. We cornered you, and you had to result to childish insults. Get with it!
And by the way, Heather, preventing yourself from undergoing labor and delivery IS self-defense.
Somg, I just love it when you say these things. You have proven that I have won!
Heather, some volunteers do work in abortion clinic recovery rooms, and some of them ARE pre-meds.
I know someone who got into a very good med school by bragging about his PP volunteer work during his interview.
And by the way, Heather, preventing yourself from undergoing labor and delivery IS self-defense.
Posted by: SoMG at September 29, 2007 10:47 AM********************************what a stupid thing to say. LOL!
What do the volunteers do?
Heather, the only thing you have won is a booby-prize.
You have a tendency to claim victories which you have not earned.
Part of being stupid, I guess.
LOL again!
They give the recovering women fresh barf bags when the ones they have are full (barfing from the anaesthesia, you know.)
Somg, a typical demon posessed person. Maybe an exorcism would help you. That’s the only thing that comes to mind. Med school flunky!
SoMG: “Abortion is the justifiable homicide of a non-innocent person.”
geez SOMG, that should be the QoTD. LOL!
Where are your RN’s? Dumb arse?
Somg,
Well then we won’t need to fight about abortion when Supreme Court justices are nominated.
Posted by: SoMG at September 29, 2007 10:29 AM
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That is an interesting idea. Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people persist in a behavior out of habit. There we struggles over court nominees as far back as the 1700`s. So, I am not sure. Perhaps it would be more of a struggle for a constitutional amendment or something. Interesting idea though.
I know someone who got into a very good med school by bragging about his PP volunteer work during his interview.
*******************************************LIAR!
Somg
On the “innocent” unborn…..
…..However, the unborn cause labor and delivery, which are harmful to the mother. Since they cause harm, the unborn are not innocent. They are in fact “nocent”.
Posted by: SoMG at September 29, 2007 10:25 AM
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Birth doesn`t always cause harm. Mine were super fast with very little pain. No drugs, No complications whatever. I was up and around in minutes.
Also, everything I have ever read says that full term pregnancies and breastfeeding reduce cancer risks. That sure isn’t harm.
Artichokes however give me wretched cramps.
Are the artichokes guilty?
No, Heather, that is not a lie. I really do know someone who used his PP volunteer experience to fulfil the unwritten requirement medical school admissions committees have for previous volunteer experience in a medical setting.
And by the way, no RN is necessary in an abortion clinic’s recovery room. You don’t need an RN to recover from early abortion with twilight sedation.
All you need is a barf bag.
Hippie, even if your births were easy and free of complications, you were still exposed to the RISK of complications.
Risk is harmful.
Somg, I pray for anyone under your care. They are in major danger! I had 3 childbirths. I was also up and about after the birth. Did it hurt? Sure. It was also a beautiful moment. You get to leave the hospital with a beautiful baby. With an abortion, you are leaving alone. Your dead baby is in the clinic. There isn’t any happiness there. On the OB/delivery floor, it’s very happy!
Somg, you can be at risk with ANYTHING you do. Do you walk around and worry about dying every day? I could get in my car today, and I could die in an auto accident. Childbirth is safe. Some people have medical problems, but they are treatable in high risk clinics/hospitals. What illnesses or dangers are you talking about? Can you be more specific? I don’t know of a single woman who has died in childbirth. However, I do know of women who were treated for illnesses during pregnancy. HTN is a big one.
Sorry Somg,
Risk in itself is just a % chance.
Just like the lottery, I have a % chance to win.
If I don`t win, my benefit is zero, less the cost of the ticket.
SoMG, we can just have some judge declare the FOCA “unconstitutional”. If it works for pro-life laws, why not pro-abortion laws?
SOMG,9/29 10:38am
The majority of Americans are indifferent to abortion. The abortion establishment has long maintained the vast majority of Americans support abortion. Now they’re indifferent? It seems the majority opinion od Americans can be adjusted to suit your needs at the moment.
We’re funded by eccentric billionaires? We wish!Please SOMG, you’re starting to sound foolish here. By the way SOMG, how much money does PP rake in in donations from millionaires, celebrities, and foundations? The shortage is a myth perpetrated by pro-choice organizations to raise money? Are you say they deliberately lie to the American public in order to rake in donations?
Also SOMG, no hospital or outpatient clinic of any kind would permit “volunteers” to work in their recovery rooms. It would be unthinkable.
I wish you would stop trivializing the dangers of “twilight sleep” as you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. As for not needing an RN in the recovery room, what if the patient develops complications such as a blood clot, allergic reaction, airway obstruction, or surgical complications such as hemorrhage. Is the non-RN in the PP recovery room capable of recognizing and responding to an emergency situation, and administering the necessary drugs in the event of an emergency situation? To assume there will never be such a situation is appalling stupidity at best.
So you admit the abortion industry did scrape the bottom of the toilet for providers. Why was this ever necessary? Certainly if reputable doctors wanted to perform them all along, why didn’t they?
You may want to think there’s no shortage but tell your friends at NARAL who are bemoaning the D- they must give the nation on abortion “rights”, providers, and clinics.
By the way my state, which is neither rural nor deep south, was given an “F”, a very much deserved one I’m proud to say.
Mary, thank you. Yesterday I threw about 7-8 posts up to prove that there ARE dangers after abortion, yet Somg continues to ignore this. Somg, people have expired after the most simple medical procedures. Abortions are invasive, and an abortionist can perforate a woman’s uterus. How many times has 911 been called to abortion clinics?
Somg, would you care to explain how Christen Gilbert died under the care of 2 abortionists? Why did the staff request that the ambulance turn off their sirens? A request that 911 REFUSED. Please explain.
Somg, a flight attendant can give you a barf bag.
Hippie 10:24am
Fantastic post!
Mary, NARAL has their own agenda too. Part of that agenda is getting pro-choice people to donate $ to them. In order to do this, they exaggerate the threats to abortion rights, including the “shortage” of providers.
When was the last time you heard about a woman in the USA being forced to grow a pregnancy because she couldn’t find an abortion doc? Answer: Never. The supply meets the demand.
Serious complications from (legal) abortion are rare events. Squealing about them as Heather does doesn’t make them any less rare. (see for instance http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/268/22/3231
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You are also wrong about clinics and volunteers.
Heather, Cristin Gilbert was a victim of a rare event.
Mary, serious complications from twilight sleep are rare events too.
Somg, we haven’t even addressed the emotional issues yet. They do say that the most common emotion after abortion is relief. However, have you ever followed up with that same patient 8 months later? How about 10 years later. I’m guessing not. A lot of women DO experience PAS. Some women experience depression that lasts a lifetime. Some women kill themselves.
Abortion Business Has License Suspended in Botched Abortion Drug Case
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by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
May 18, 2006
Birmingham, AL (LifeNews.com) — The Alabama state health department has suspended the medical license of a Birmingham abortion business after learning that a non-doctor gave a woman there the dangerous abortion drug RU 486 in February. State law says that only licensed physicians are eligible to do abortions in Alabama or give women abortion drugs.
The Alabama Department of Public Health indicated that an employee at Summit Medical Center abortion business violated the law.
The agency suspended Summit’s medical license Wednesday, and the suspension lasts for a minimum of 90 days, which means the center cannot do abortions during that time.
The state agency will also hold a hearing on the matter, which will determine if the suspension will be permanent or Summit can have its license restored.
State health officials said the non-doctor gave a woman the abortion drug who had abnormally high blood pressure. According to the state, the woman’s blood pressure was so “critically and dangerously high that (it) indicated a need for immediate medical treatment.”
In its order suspending Summit’s license, obtained by LifeNews.com, the state health department said a Summit staff member did an ultrasound on the woman and determined she was six weeks pregnant. Only licensed physicians are allowed to perform medical ultrasounds in Alabama.
The abortion drug did not complete the abortion successfully and, six days later, the woman went to a local ER in Birmingham and delivered a “macerated” stillborn baby.
The state health department indicated Summit attempted to cover up its violations.
“Though Patient A was not seen by a physician at Summit, the facility’s records inaccurately reflect that a physician, who was not present at the facility on that date, performed the ultrasound and provided the medical abortion,” the suspension document said.
State officials said the incident involved “multiple, serious” violations of state law and “practices and conduct that are detrimental to the health, welfare, and safety of the public.” The health department said it had no choice but to revoke the abortion center’s license in order to protect public health.
The state health department ordered Summit to refer current patients elsewhere and to “cease all operation” as an abortion facility. It set a hearing date on the matter for June 20.
Summit Medical Centers operates seven abortion businesses in five states and has another abortion center in Montgomery, Alabama.
It is the abortion business that employed Malachy Dehenre, who lost his medical license in both Alabama and Mississippi because of botched abortions.
The New Woman Medical Center abortion facility in Jackson, Mississippi, which also employed Dehenre, closed two years ago after failing to respond to a woman’s lawsuit after he botched her abortion.
Dehenre closed the abortion business in August 2004 and, in March, the Mississippi state medial board suspended his medical license.
In one case, a woman died 18 hours after having an abortion. The women involved in three other cases had to have hysterectomies to stop massive hemorrhaging from uterine perforations.
rare?
Misuse of Digoxin Heart Drug Resulted in Botched Abortion, Baby’s Birth
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
July 31, 2007
Detroit, MI — Abortion businesses are misusing a heart medication called Digoxin to do second-trimester abortions now that the Supreme Court has upheld the national ban on partial-birth abortions. However, the drug could put women’s health at risk and has already resulted in one botched abortion in Florida where a bay was born alive.
As LifeNews.com has reported, several abortion businesses in Michigan are using the drug to kill the unborn child in utero to avoid a partial-birth and be in compliance with the new law.
Other abortion businesses have misused digoxin for years prior to the ruling and one such abortion facility is the EPOC Clinic of the Orlando Women?s Center in Orlando, Florida.
The abortion center came under fire in April 2005 for failing to assist a woman whose baby was born alive there.
The woman, Angele, was 22 weeks pregnant at the time of the incident. In an interview, she told WorldNetDaily workers there had convinced her that her unborn baby would feel no pain during the abortion because they would use digoxin to kill her baby in the initial stages of the abortion.
Angele had chosen the ?labor and delivery process” for her abortion as opposed to partial-birth abortion or dismemberment. She thought it would be less harmful for her unborn baby.
?I wanted it to be as humane and painless as possible for my son,” Angele told WorldNetDaily. ?They told me they would guide a needle directly into his heart and it would put him to sleep, and he wouldn’t feel anything.”
Following her initial visit to the abortion facility, she could feel the baby still moving within her. The next day she took pills meant to induce labor.
“I waited outside, cramping and crying, for the clinic to open. My contractions were close. I had been having them for hours. I knocked repeatedly at the door,” Angele said.
After she obtained access to the abortion facility, she delivered her son.
“In one agonizing push, I felt and heard something come out. Then immediately another push. I was weak. I just held my head in my hands for a moment. Then I decided to stand up. I looked. There was my baby, the whitish cord and what I thought surely must be the placenta,” Angele told WorldNetDaily.
Angele added, ?I started sobbing and lay down (on) the floor. I stared and stared at my son. I was horrified that I had just had him in a commode.”
Angele then screamed for help for her son, whom she called Rowan.
When an abortion facility employee finally arrived, she refused to call 911 for the baby, who was still moving. Angele ended up calling a friend, asking her to call an ambulance. But Rowan died before help arrived.
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SOMG,
Give the patient a barf bag? Isn’t there anyone qualified in the PP recovery to administer an anti-emetic or who even knows what that is?
Heather,
It also took 40-45 minutes to call 911 for Christen, a pulseless, non-breathing patient. The caller also downplayed the seriousness of the situation to the 911 operator, which is indefensible. This may result in an inadequate response to an emergency. I’ve heard of school children recognizing medical emergencies and calling 911 much more quickly than that, and saving lives. I think we’ve all heard stories of family pets saving an owner’s life by alerting someone to an emergency. The staff at Tiller’s clinic doesn’t have the same capabilities as a schoolchild or the family pet?
Mary, Somg just cannot be serious.
Mary, I missed the obvious. How about some Phenergan or Compazine? You would just allow them to have emesis after emesis?
SOMG,
“Twilight sleep”, the proper term for that by the way SOMG is conscious sedation, and anesthesia providers, nurses and doctors must be credentialled to use it. Patients must be properly monitored and continually observed both during and after surgery. Conscious sedation must always be treated very seriously and the patient observed by qualified personnel at all times. To do otherwise is inviting disaster.
Maybe the abortion clinics can’t afford these meds. @@
Mary, I recently had a piece of glass removed from my foot. Minor, right? I chose Versed, and I had a full surgical team present. One would think that an abortion would be FAR more dangerous. Ugh!
Somg, keep talking. Maybe someone considering an abortion will change her mind because of you.
SOMG,
Why am I wrong about clinics and volunteers?
Serious complications are rare events? How about underreported events? I have seen women show up in the ER and OR after a legal abortion with complications that were treated and the patient discharged. One woman complained of chronic bladder infections and “just never feeling well” since her abortion. Her abortionist was treating her with complete indifference when she complained to him and she was enraged about this. We didn’t report the complications to any particular agency, just treated the patient and gave her follow up instructions. It just became part of the patient’s record which is of course confidential. I can’t be certain the hospital would even report them since they deal more with statistics,i.e. the number of patients seen, not what every single patient was seen for.
SOMG,
Why am I wrong about clinics and volunteers?
************** Mary, you’re not wrong!! Somg is way off base. See everyone later!
Mary, I recently had a piece of glass removed from my foot. Minor, right? I chose Versed, and I had a full surgical team present.
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You had general for something that trivial?
Don’t EVER lecture us about medical risk. You have no clue…
Laura,
Excuse me but Heather did not have a “general”, she had what is known as conscious sedation. She was given just enough versed to sedate her and render her amnesic. I’ve had versed and administer it frequently. It works wonders.
When given conscious sedation, the patient is fully monitored and under the observation of a credentialled person throughout the procedure. Emergency equipment is immediately available if needed.
Heather may very well have been given narcotic as well, which can enhance the versed as well as minimize pain. That she would need this to have glass removed from her foot is no surprise. That can be extremely painful.
Laura,
Excuse me but Heather did not have a “general”, she had what is known as conscious sedation. She was given just enough versed to sedate her and render her amnesic. I’ve had versed and administer it frequently. It works wonders.
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…Right up until it doesn’t.
My cosmetic surgeon won’t use it anymore after having two patients go into respiratory arrest in the same week. I have a sister who won’t use it after she went in for an out-patient procedure and they had to hold her for 36 hours until she came out of it. In none of those cases was there an anesthesiologist present, because Versed is SO SAFE!
(If I’m ranting it’s because I will avoid anything other than a local like the plague. Glass from a foot required a full surgical team? Only at Drama Queen Hospital…)
Laura,
Please tell this to SOMG. He/she seems to think what he/she calls “twilight sleep” which is conscious sedation is so safe.
Versed is a potent drug and must be treated with the respect it deserves. It can cause respiratory arrest and can react differently in each patient, as the plastic surgeon and your sister found out. I had one man with a history of drug abuse who took 25mgs of versed, and never stopped talking. That dose would knock out a bull elephant. I’ve had other people go unresponsive with 1 or 2 mg.
Its preferable to have an anesthesiologist or nurse anesthetist administer this drug and monitor the patient. We have nurses who do it at our hospital for certain procedures but they must first be trained and credentialled. There is also a physician present and assistance is immediately available from a respiratory therapist, anesthetist or anesthesiologist with one call. All patients are fully monitored and emergency equipment is available with people who are credentialled to use it.
While I can understand your avoiding anything but a local, there are situations where it just won’t suffice. Heather’s situation may have been such. If the piece of glass is large and/or deep it might be quicker to sedate, or even give the patient a general, than to continually inject local and subject the patient to what can be excruciating pain. These procedures can be long and tedious. This procedure could very well require a full surgical team. I have been in such cases. We’re not talking an open heart team here. You will need an anesthesia provider, the doctor, a circulating nurse, and a scrub tech to assist the doctor. Also sterile technique must be observed with a prep and properly sterilized instruments.
Versed is a potent drug and must be treated with the respect it deserves. It can cause respiratory arrest and can react differently in each patient, as the plastic surgeon and your sister found out. I had one man with a history of drug abuse who took 25mgs of versed, and never stopped talking. That dose would knock out a bull elephant. I’ve had other people go unresponsive with 1 or 2 mg.
Its preferable to have an anesthesiologist or nurse anesthetist administer this drug and monitor the patient.
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I’m so glad you said that.
I know people who use Versed – not to mention Ketamine – as recreational drugs.
Something tells me that I won’t have to worry about them very long.
(Ketamine – “Special K” – is a drug we usually only use for fast takedown because of the psychosis it causes in animals. It’s become a favorite in “rave” circles, and was the the cause of BOTH of the FDA narc audits weve had in the last five years, both because of thefts. I wouldn’t take that crap if it was promised to turn me into Padma Lakshmi…)
Yikes..Ketamine.
Laura, I’ll see your Padma, and raise you a Priya Rai.
Doug
A Drama Hospital? Have you ever heard of the Cleveland Clinic? People come from all over the world for different surgical procedures there. I will admit that I thought this was a bit extreme, but it’s true. Perhaps it was hospital policy. Mary, you are correct. They did give me something in addition to the versed.
Anyway, I snoozed through the entire surgery. It was SAWEET!
(Rolls eyes)
Laura,
Ketamine is an anesthetic and a very effective one. Its great on unstable patients,(especially hemorrhaging patients) the elderly, and burn patients. Of course this is if its used under controlled conditions by people who are credentialled to use it.
It can be hallucinogenic as well as a very effective pain killer. Patients describe a “disassociative” effect between their minds and bodies. Combined with versed it can work very well. Its also has a stabilizing effect on blood pressure, pulse, and respirations, which is what makes it so good for the above mentioned kinds of patients.
I can understand how both these drugs can be abused, especially ketamine and why it could well be a “rave” drug. Like the abuse of any drug, it carries very serious risks. The abuse of versed is especially frightening for the reasons I mentioned in the previous post. Some people just seem to have a death wish.
Somg @@ rolls eyes back. I’m not worried about the opinion of a sociopath. You don’t mean JACK to me.
Poor David Gunn and John Britton. May they RIP……………. smiles*
Somg, the Cleveland Clinic wouldn’t let you wax their floors. hahahahahaha!!
SoMG: “After President Hillary Clinton signs the Freedom of Choice Act into law, we won’t have to fight about this issue when Supreme Court justices are appointed any more.”
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but couldn’t the USSC determine that the FOCA is unconstitutional? FOCA is not an amendment to the Constitution; it would be a law. A law needs to be constitutional. If this is the case, wouldn’t justices on the USSC still be an issue?
Hillary Clinton looks like a man.
Ellie, on what grounds would FOCA be found unconstitutional?
My point is that legislation doesn’t trump the Constitution. The justices will still be an issue.