Obama weighs in on Planned Parenthood Aurora
Barack Obama, who never saw a reason to abort he didn’t support, has not surprisingly signed a press release PP wrote for him on the Aurora situation. According to the Baltimore Sun, a few hours ago:
Today, Sen. Barack Obama became the first Democratic presidential candidate to weigh in on the battle over a Planned Parenthood clinic in Aurora.
Not surprisingly, the abortion rights supporter from Illinois said he would like to see the clinic open soon….
“I fully support Planned Parenthood’s desire to open a new facility in Aurora,” he said in a statement released this afternoon. “The proposed center will serve the growing population in a part of the state where access to a full range of reproductive health care services is lacking.”
The statement went on to list some of the services the Planned Parenthood clinic would offer such as pap tests, contraceptive care, cancer screening and breast exams. It did not mention abortion procedures, which have drawn thousands of anti-abortion protesters to demonstrate outside the clinic….
Obama has a relationship with Aurora. When Aurora Mayor Tom Weisner ran for office in 2005, Obama came to town and campaigned on his behalf.
Obama also has a relationship with Planned Parenthood….
As an aside, Tim Russert asked Obama his favorite Bible verse in the September 26 presidential debate. Obama’s answer:
Well, I think it would have to be the Sermon on the Mount, because it expresses a basic principle that I think we’ve lost over the last six years….
Part of what we’ve lost is a sense of empathy towards each other….
[W]e don’t talk enough about the empathy deficit, a sense that I stand in somebody else’s shoes, I see through their eyes….
That’s the reason I’m running for president, because I want to restore that.
[HT: Jeff from CPLA and Dave Diersen; political cartoon courtesy of Chicago Sun-Times, March 25, 2004, on Barack Obama’s opposition to IL’s Born Alive Infant Protection Act.]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“[W]e don’t talk enough about the empathy deficit, a sense that I stand in somebody else’s shoes, I see through their eyes….”
that is so true Obama, you can’t do even that for the unborn. What a loser.
Pardon my French, but quel outil!
No mention of abortion? The PP on 16th street IN Washington, DC (only a few blocks from the White House) has a big banner that lists its services…..no mention of abortion.
The cartoon breaks one of the ten commandments, containing as it does a graven image of the almighty.
The cartoon breaks one of the ten commandments, containing as it does a graven image of the almighty.
Posted by: SoMG at September 29, 2007 4:51 AM
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Ooooooooooooh! Cool!
Do Christians have anything like a fatwa they could issue? A Jihad?
(Wait… Is a “graven image” 3D? Like a statue?)
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Hey all, look at what PP sent me. I requested to be put on their mailing list. Medicaid {our tax dollars] are paying for their abortions. They had nerve to ask me to donate. I told them to go fly a kite!
Barack Hussein Obama’s comments on Christ’s Sermon on the Mount are another example of the complete hypocrisy of this politically (in)correct candidate for president of the U.S.A.
Out of one side of his mouth he says we need to be compassionate to others as Jesus taught. Then out of the other side of his mouth he supports the taking of children’s lives through abortion.
He is betraying his own people (those of African descent) whose children have been killed in hugely disproportionate numbers by abortion.
Barack Hussein Obama has no business being president. Neither does any candidate who supports the killing of innocent children in their mother’s wombs.
Barack Hussein Obama has no business being president. Neither does any candidate who supports the killing of innocent children in their mother’s wombs.
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George Bush is about to veto a health care bill that was hugely popular with both parties in Congress.
He’s going to deny health care to 4.5 million REAL LIVE AMERICAN CHILDREN.
$2 billion a week on a war we’re gonna lose.
$300 billion in estimated Iraqi reconstruction.
No money for poor American children.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20920548/
Heather: Hey all, look at what PP sent me. I requested to be put on their mailing list. Medicaid {our tax dollars] are paying for their abortions. They had nerve to ask me to donate. I told them to go fly a kite!
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Uh… GO BACK AND READ YOUR OWN POST!
“There is no public/government funding for abortion services, Medicaid and other government funding does not cover elective abortion services. Surgical Services (abortion & vasectomy) do not have “sliding scale” fees.”
Medicaid is welcome. For what?
Here again we’re back to the nature of the unborn. One can’t have empathy for that which cannot suffer, which doesn’t have emotion, by the definition of the word.
Even with all the arguing that goes on, to a point in gestation it’s not even really an issue.
“a sense of empathy towards each other” – at what point do the unborn become part of “us,” when do they really become “others” in that sense? It’s a question.
Doug
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Congress has barred the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions, except when the woman?s life would be endangered by a full-term pregnancy, or in cases of rape or incest. As of November 2006, 17 states used their own funds to subsidize abortion for poor women. (38) In actuality, however, about half of these states provide little to no funds to cover these services. (39)
How many states prohibit public funding of abortions?
A total of 32 states and the District of Columbia prohibit public funding of abortions, except in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest. South Dakota only provides public funding of abortions when necessary to protect the woman?s life, which is not in compliance with the federal Medicaid statute. (38)
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So, I was right. Medicaid is used.
Not for elective abortions. It’s against Federal Law:
Public Funding for Abortion (7/21/2004)
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Well, PP covers up for rapists. They also cover up for incest predators. Also, how many of these women could lie, and say that they were raped? I’ll bet there are quite a few!
If the first picture violates the Ten Commmandments, then so does the second, since it also has God in it.
Christians might issue a “fatwa” if they weren’t so busy trying to save babies from being killed. That is the issue here, no matter how some may try to change the subject ad infinitum.
Part of Barack Obama’s favorite Bible “verse” (which is actually three entire Chapters, not a single verse) is:
“If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your members than to have your whole body thrown into Gehenna. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your members than to have your whole body go into Gehenna.”
So are we to believe that Obama is strongly anti-sin, since he understands the terrible consequences of it? Or did he make a mistake? He probably meant to say that the Beatitudes are his favorite “verse” of the Bible, which, again, are not contained in a single verse. Heaven forbid any of those Democrats declare that their favorite verse is John 3:16. That might alienate their base.
“Here again we’re back to the nature of the unborn. One can’t have empathy for that which cannot suffer, which doesn’t have emotion, by the definition of the word.
Even with all the arguing that goes on, to a point in gestation it’s not even really an issue.
“a sense of empathy towards each other” – at what point do the unborn become part of “us,” when do they really become “others” in that sense? It’s a question.
Doug”
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missed again Doug. The question is not about the nature of the unborn … but the nature of what it means to be ‘human’. A lowball gestimate … which you, Sally, Laura, etc articulate: has human value very low so, their offspring must be so low as to be killable.
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: the federal government passes a law OK all abortions, except on the human species. It also makes this point: if a pregnant woman says she ‘needs’ an abortion, she has the right to abort a horse (also known as a mare). How long would it take animal rights activists to protest – vehemently? (PETA activities would be small potatoes!)
Doug,
you wrote,
“One can’t have empathy for that which cannot suffer, which doesn’t have emotion, by the definition of the word.”
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Maybe in some linguistic sense empathy is not the perfect word. However, many of us care very much about the environment for its own sake, just because it is there, not because it feels anything rather we see its inherent value. We cherish and wish to protect it. We also feel the unborn have inherent value that should be cherished and protected just because it exists even though like the environment it does not know or have a feeling about what we do. Of course the unborn generally develop into full fledged folks who do care about what we have done both for the environment and for them.
if a pregnant woman says she ‘needs’ an abortion, she has the right to abort a horse (also known as a mare). How long would it take animal rights activists to protest – vehemently? (PETA activities would be small potatoes!)
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We spay pregnant animals every day where I work.
California law mandates that you must have an animal spayed – even a pregnant animal – if you want to adopt it from an animal shelter.
Go to your local Humane Society site, and see if they don’t have a special price for spaying pregnant animals. Those doggie abortions are EXPENSIVE!
(We also offer the mismate shot – you know – the morning-after pill for Barky.)
Obama is a wimp, a coward. when he feels uncomfortable about a vote in the senate, he doesnt cast it. If he can’t even stand up to protect the unborn, how is he going to stand up to the terrorists.
These poeple have alot of gall speaking the word of God, then supporting the killing of innocent unborn babies…a disgraceful group.
jasper, I agree. I’ll bet my arse that he will NOT win. The majority of people who I’ve spoken to don’t think so either. The guy is a big loser. He should check out the “Black Genocide” link.
yes heather, I mean, he’s afraid of standing up to Hillary Clinton!
John: missed again Doug. The question is not about the nature of the unborn … but the nature of what it means to be ‘human’. A lowball gestimate … which you, Sally, Laura, etc articulate: has human value very low so, their offspring must be so low as to be killable.
No, John. If we are talking about “empathy,” then what I said is true.
And as far as value, in no way am I saying there is “very low” value – that’s you saying that, not me. “Human” isn’t in doubt, here. The value is up to the pregnant woman, first and foremost.
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THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: the federal government passes a law OK all abortions, except on the human species. It also makes this point: if a pregnant woman says she ‘needs’ an abortion, she has the right to abort a horse (also known as a mare). How long would it take animal rights activists to protest – vehemently? (PETA activities would be small potatoes!)
Very funny. Is the horse inside her body? And what logic is it to think that a woman wanting an abortion would want to affect horses?
Doug
“One can’t have empathy for that which cannot suffer, which doesn’t have emotion, by the definition of the word.”
Hippie: Maybe in some linguistic sense empathy is not the perfect word. However, many of us care very much about the environment for its own sake, just because it is there, not because it feels anything rather we see its inherent value. We cherish and wish to protect it. We also feel the unborn have inherent value that should be cherished and protected just because it exists even though like the environment it does not know or have a feeling about what we do. Of course the unborn generally develop into full fledged folks who do care about what we have done both for the environment and for them.
You value it positively, but that is not “inherent value.” Caring about the environment isn’t “bad” and I’m not saying that caring about the unborn is, either; the issue is the woman’s desire versus yours.
Doug
Also, that picture of Jesus with the little kids has got to be bogus. You know the state of health and hygiene back then? Those kids would have been scrawny, and dirty, and probably not have many teeth. Same for Jesus, actually.
This is what heaven will be like. This picture brings me solace.
Bleah. It just annoys me. People have no sense of historical accuracy. Not just with biblical stuff. Movies set in like, the middle ages, and so on, they just drive me nuts.
Doug,
the horse-bit is purposely facetious … but it does have its serious side. It is meant to show how ‘dehumanizing/anti-empathetic’ it is to dissociate ourselves from our own offspring. Horses in gestation are fetuses as well. I think there would be an awful lot of body armor bought by anyone remotely advocating abortion of horses. How come horses and not-human, eh?
The linking of empathy and human means that a person even remotely understands the dignity of being human. This link is not easy to find at times … the Nazis, the Stalinists, and today, some extremist-environmentalists would rather fashion that humans are a plague upon earth. They call for massive de-population efforts … like 1/20 of us need survive in the next few decades.
If you are low-balling human dignity, then you feel qualified to judge between wanted/unwanted. However, many presume it a privilege to care for these people …. . Note the words used to judge: – them, unwanted, burden, leech-type, invader, etc. It is my contention that perhaps you can intellectually assert empathy, but you do not ‘know’ what empathy is else you would never use unwanted and human in reference to one another.
Erin, no, I’m pretty sure that’s an actual photograph of Jesus Christ.
You said you hate it when people quote scripture…
…he was answering the question. Tim Russert asked and he answered.
I don’t want to get too involved with this post. Just saw an inconsistancy.
Also with the environmentalists…I know I am one because the Earth is our only true support system. We bail out on that, we essentially bail out on ourselves. Most environmentalists like myself feel like we are looking out for the people in our future by preserving an earth to aid resource development and a liveable place to grow up and prosper in.
Hippie maybe that is what you meant about the similarities. Same thing. We bail out on a human fetus as having no rights, then we bail out on ourselves. Abortion is more than the obvious reasons, but it is an endorsement to the human condition-to value ourselves and others, no matter what circumstances or conditions that some want to limit it to, but also because we care about the future this baby has-and we want it to be lovely.
Whoops I mean anti-abortion philosophy
Doug,
Once again, you are right!
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You value it positively, but that is not “inherent value.” Caring about the environment isn’t “bad” and I’m not saying that caring about the unborn is, either; the issue is the woman’s desire versus yours.
Doug
Posted by: Doug at September 29, 2007 10:51 AM
In both the case of the environment and the unborn, the issue is their desire to destroy vs. my desire to preserve.
Erin, I know what you mean. Jesus was a Middle Eastern Jew, but *somehow* he comes out very WASPish in every image of him.
Also, why does Hollywood think all ancient Greeks and Romans spoke with British accents?
John: the horse-bit is purposely facetious … but it does have its serious side. It is meant to show how ‘dehumanizing/anti-empathetic’ it is to dissociate ourselves from our own offspring. Horses in gestation are fetuses as well. I think there would be an awful lot of body armor bought by anyone remotely advocating abortion of horses. How come horses and not-human, eh?
Well hey, man, you were the one that changed things to a separate horse, versus the unborn which is inside the woman. Talk about disassociating…. Yes, there are horse fetuses. But why would somebody advocate horse abortions? Do they want less horses? Why should their opinion be followed, versus the owner of the horse, for example?
I think I know some of what you’re getting at – the difference in protection and desire that is perceived at times. We protect eagles, for example, but not unborn humans. Yes, I agree there, and it has to do with perceived endangerment and the desire to see eagles survive.
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The linking of empathy and human means that a person even remotely understands the dignity of being human. This link is not easy to find at times … the Nazis, the Stalinists, and today, some extremist-environmentalists would rather fashion that humans are a plague upon earth. They call for massive de-population efforts … like 1/20 of us need survive in the next few decades.
I don’t see people as a plague. The only thing with population I see is that it does not argue for banning or further restricting abortion. “The dignity of being human” is a philosophical concept at most. Again, I’d say that is no reason to take away a woman’s free choice in the matter.
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If you are low-balling human dignity, then you feel qualified to judge between wanted/unwanted. However, many presume it a privilege to care for these people …. . Note the words used to judge: – them, unwanted, burden, leech-type, invader, etc. It is my contention that perhaps you can intellectually assert empathy, but you do not ‘know’ what empathy is else you would never use unwanted and human in reference to one another.
I’m not low-balling, it, John. With “empathy” I’m just going with what the word means. No question that one can have empathy with a pregnant woman. With the unborn, it’s certainly a question.
Doug
“You value it positively, but that is not “inherent value.” Caring about the environment isn’t “bad” and I’m not saying that caring about the unborn is, either; the issue is the woman’s desire versus yours.”
Hippie: In both the case of the environment and the unborn, the issue is their desire to destroy vs. my desire to preserve.
Not really – pro-choicers want to preserve the freedom that pregnant women have in this matter.
Doug
You know why Barack is telling God to keep out of the issue? Because the legality of it is a political decision, and in this country (like most countries) we have a Separation of Church and State.
On the morality of the issue, you can argue God all you want, but He has no place in politics.
You know why Barack is telling God to keep out of the issue? Because the legality of it is a political decision, and in this country (like most countries) we have a Separation of Church and State.On the morality of the issue, you can argue God all you want, but He has no place in politics.
If that’s true, Leah, (that Obama was wanting to keep God out of politics because of the “separation of church and state”) then why did Obama quote his “favorite” Bible passage, and the go on to say that he was going to try to bring back those Biblical morals, by becoming president?
Thanks a good point Bethany…see, they only invoke God when it suits them….
“On the morality of the issue, you can argue God all you want, but He has no place in politics.”
Baloney!
Oh, I heard a good one the other day. This guy told me that he was a pro choice Christian. I told him he was not a real Christian.
Bethany and jasper, remember the girl I asked you to pray for? The girl who was considering an abortion? Well, I’m sorry to say that she did have the abortion last week. We tried. *sigh*
“Bethany and jasper, remember the girl I asked you to pray for? The girl who was considering an abortion? Well, I’m sorry to say that she did have the abortion last week. We tried. *sigh*”
Someone must have been praying harder that she get the abortion.
sorry to hear that Heather, that baby is in Gods hands now.
Very funny, Hal. Not.
Heather, I’m so sorry.
Bethany said:If that’s true, Leah, (that Obama was wanting to keep God out of politics because of the “separation of church and state”) then why did Obama quote his “favorite” Bible passage, and the go on to say that he was going to try to bring back those Biblical morals, by becoming president?
I’m sure I don’t know, Bethany. Quoting his favorite Bible passages, obviously, has nothing to do with his political agenda, so that doesn’t bother me. Lots of politicians are religious.
Why he would say he wants to bring back Biblical morals by becoming president? Your guess is as good as mine. Of course, morality and politics are two different things.
My point wasn’t forcibly about Obama, though–it was about God and politics. And keep in mind that the Obama in the cartoon is not the real Obama.
Jasper said: Baloney!
You’re going to have to build on that a bit more before it becomes a proper argument.
Heather said: Oh, I heard a good one the other day. This guy told me that he was a pro choice Christian. I told him he was not a real Christian.
THAT is the sort of self-righteous attitude that I cannot STAND coming from you PLers! Who are you to judge what a “real” Christian is? Sounds like God’s job to me.
Step down from your throne and join the rest of us. We’re all mortals here and no one has the power or the RIGHT to speak for God.
You tell them Leah!
They don’t think pro-choice ministers. priests, rabbis, and pastors are “real” men and women of god either.
Heather said: Oh, I heard a good one the other day. This guy told me that he was a pro choice Christian. I told him he was not a real Christian.
THAT is the sort of self-righteous attitude that I cannot STAND coming from you PLers! Who are you to judge what a “real” Christian is? Sounds like God’s job to me.
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You didn’t get the memo?
Apparently God died and left Heather in charge of value judgments.
DO try to keep up…
Hey, instead of saying this young woman “had an abortion,” should you say she “killed (or murdered) her baby?”
Hal, it’s the same thing. “Had an abortion” translates to “killed her baby” for us.
Hal, it’s the same thing. “Had an abortion” translates to “killed her baby” for us.
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Gee, Bethany-
I don’t think Andrea Yates had five legal abortions, I think she killed five babies.
I don’t think Susan Smith had two abortions, I think she rolled two babies into a lake.
Freakin’ horror…
Laura, fortunately, right now, killing babies who are already born is illegal. Let’s hope that one day it’ll also be illegal once again to kill them before birth.
By the way, I didn’t say “killed her baby” translates to “had an abortion”. I said, “Had an abortion” translates to “killed her baby”.
I don’t think Andrea Yates had five legal abortions, I think she killed five babies.
By the way, I kind of chuckled here, because aren’t you always correcting me, saying that I need to use proper terminology all the time? Andrea Yates killed a baby, 2 toddlers, and three older children. She didn’t kill 5 “babies”, if you want to be technical about terminology.
Hmm, yet no word of apology or even acknowledgment for your own shameless self-righteousness?
You made a lot of assumptions in that little rant of yours. You aren’t as good as gold either, Heather, and you need to learn to be tolerant of other people… especially on an online community, where you never have to meet us face-to-face.
Leah, I really don’t care about what BS you spew anymore. I’m sick of you too.
SP…whatever. Leah, you are still pro death. I’m not kissing your ass anymore!!
My friend aborted this week. I’m disgusted by this act. I am DONE!!!
Heather, I am sorry for you. Truly. I don’t know how you can live, so full of anger.
No, sweetheart, I am not “pro-death.” No one here is. Nor am I “pro-abortion,” but that’s a different discussion.
You have never made any attempt to kiss my ass.
People say they are leaving this blog all the time, and often the “community” of regular bloggers rallies to keep them. I’m sorry, but I can’t do that for you. You show constant ignorance. You are condescending. You are self-righteous.
I’m sorry that you’re letting the goings-on if this blog affect you this way. But, whatever. That’s your prerogative, isn’t it?
I wish you the best in life and I hope you find happiness and peace wherever you go.
That having been said, I’m going to bed now. Goodnight, all!
Laura-
not now, cherub. I think this might be a bit of a wake up call. When pro-choicers say that they’ve had hate spewed at them, been called cruel names, or been spit on(like happened to me at a PP once), they all immediately cry foul, that pro-lifers don’t act that way. Let’s not stoop right now and just let them see it for themselves.
Laura-
not now, cherub. I think this might be a bit of a wake up call. When pro-choicers say that they’ve had hate spewed at them, been called cruel names, or been spit on(like happened to me at a PP once), they all immediately cry foul, that pro-lifers don’t act that way. Let’s not stoop right now and just let them see it for themselves.
Posted by: Erin at September 30, 2007 11:11 PM
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You’re right.
I just come from a family that treats all tragedy with humor.
It’s often REALLY inappropriate…
Hah, that’s understandable. My dad’s side of the family does the exact same thing. I vacillate between that and my mom’s overly-sensitive side.
Heather, how should your friend be punished for hiring a murderer to kill her unborn child?
Death? Life in prison? How?
SoMG,
She would deserve the same punishment one would get for killing their born babies.
..of course, it seems like killing your born baby these days gets you little or no jail time.
Leah,
Jasper said: Baloney!
You’re going to have to build on that a bit more before it becomes a proper argument.
Phooey!
They don’t think pro-choice ministers. priests, rabbis, and pastors are “real” men and women of god either.
Posted by: Hal at September 30, 2007 8:00 PM
Sure we do Hal. We just don’t think they are men and women of “G”od. No doubt they are worshiping god. But we all know who that is…
Laura, Hal and Leah,
My daughter in law had a baby Friday nite, (I got to be the birth coach) and I haven’t been around this weekend.
I just saw Heather’s posts. You guys actually handled it pretty well. Sorry. Those should have been deleted as they happened.
Ah well, better late than never.
Peace.
Leah: “No, sweetheart, I am not “pro-death.” No one here is. Nor am I “pro-abortion,” but that’s a different discussion.”
No, of course you’re not. You’re pro-choice! Leah, did I ever tell you I was pro-choice too?
Erin: “Heather, I am sorry for you. Truly. I don’t know how you can live, so full of anger.”
Hey Erin, Heather can live fine….I mean, it’s not like she killed her unborn baby or anything…
MK said: Phooey!
Touch
MK, I’ll add my congrats on the new grandchild. Hope mother and baby are both doing fine.