Make my day: Left wingers try to defend Obama on infanticide
Blogger Impeach yesterday mocked “Lil Ricky” Santorum for castigating Barack Obama in a February 28 Philadelphia Inquirer op ed for his indefensible opposition to IL’s Born Alive Infant Protection Act Santorum was the U.S. Senate sponsor of the federal version.
Impeach wrote:
I also want to direct your attention to the text of the Illinois bill. Here it is. You’re free, of course, to peruse what Senator Santorum has declared in his column to be “identical.” Of course, it’s not.
No, it’s not. Because Impeach linked to the wrong bill, SB 1093 instead of SB 1095.
Impeach also linked to an amusing piece by left wing Media Matters, supposedly “deconstructing” a February 1 Washington Times editorial taking Obama to task for his opposition to Born Alive. It would appear MM was momentarily disturbed by a brain fart, because it argued our position…
The Washington Times falsely claimed that… Obama “argu[ed] cold-bloodedly on the IL Senate floor that babies who survive botched late-term abortions should not be considered ‘persons’ because this would be tantamount to admitting ‘that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a — a child, a 9-month old — child that was delivered to term.’ ”
In fact, Obama was not discussing “late-term abortions” in the remarks the editorial highlighted; as is clear from his March 30, 2001 remarks on the state Senate floor, he was asserting that the bill in question, which was not limited to late-term abortions, would, in effect, “essentially bar abortions.”
Right, MM. Obama was arguing a ban on infanticide would intrude on abortion.
MM continued:
… Obama was asserting that the bill… was unconstitutional because it would “define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or other elements in the Constitution” and therefore represent a de facto restriction on all abortions.
Again, right, MM. Good job! Obama, the self-described constitutional expert, was inexplicably trying to make that case. And he was proven a constitutional boor. Born Alive passed on the federal level with nary a lawsuit peep from the other side, because it did not say that.
I welcome Media Matters and left wing bloggers like Impeach to continue attempting to defend Obama’s support of infanticide. Excellent work.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
A friend of mine who is a former communist told me a very fundamental thing about Democrats and the Democratic Party – she basically said: “It’s all about abortion for them”
Basically saying – from her experience in Left wing circles and years of community agitation in San Fransisco and New York working in secret with many Democratic “law makers” that the number one goal of the Democrats is to keep abortion legal – this is their main goal – and also that there isn’t too much difference between the CPUSA and DNC.
Her husband who escaped Cuba – a small island dictatorship with one of the highest if not highest abort rate in the world – once saw a number of speeches on TV during the last Democratic Party convention and he turned to his wife and said, “Ah, no I understand, the Democrats are the communist party because the speeches they give sound similar if not the same to the way the Central commitee sounded in Cuba!”
A friend of mine who is a former communist told me a very fundamental thing about Democrats and the Democratic Party – she basically said: “It’s all about abortion for them”
Basically saying – from her experience in Left wing circles and years of community agitation in San Fransisco and New York working in secret with many Democratic “law makers” that the number one goal of the Democrats is to keep abortion legal – this is their main goal – and also that there isn’t too much difference between the CPUSA and DNC.
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That’s funny, whan you check Democratic polls, Republican polls, and polls of Americans in general, very few even consider abortion an issue that they care about – much less being “all about abortion.”
It just isn’t an important issue in this election cycle. When was the last time you heard it mentioned in a debate or heard the candidates argue over the matter? There’s just too much important work to be done right now.
Biology 101 lesson for MM and other media outlets who
love to spread the NEWS SPEAK that Colorado is
carrying an amendment to its constitution to
legally protect “fertilized eggs.”
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_8360651:
23+23=1
I agree with FF Laura, I’d vote for a pro-life Democrat if necessary. It’s certainly not “all about abortion” for me. Although that might change if I thought there was ever a serious chance abortion would be banned. I don’t think for a minute that’s even a remote possibility.
There seems to be a consensus that the current situation works pretty well.
“There’s just too much important work to be done right now.”
Yeah, like cementing the abortion industry down pat so no one can touch it in the USA and overseas. We are dealing with very powerful people and institutions here – lots of money is passing hands to keep the mills open – the canidates might not talk about it but it is there. Why is PP so damm powerful? – because they have important and rich people helping it – mess with them and they will try to hurt you one why or another.
BTW I love your name fetus fascist, really but shouldn’t it be abort facist?
“I’d vote for a pro-life Democrat if necessary. It’s certainly not “all about abortion” for me.”
Unfortunately, you won’t have that chance very often, if ever, since the party tightens the screws on any pro-life person running for high office. For them, it’s either “support abortion or forget about it.”
S.
Why is PP so damm powerful? – because they have important and rich people helping it – mess with them and they will try to hurt you one why or another.
Posted by: Mario at February 29, 2008 9:59 AM
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…Not that you’re paranoid or anything.
“…very few even consider abortion an issue that they care about”
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…and you know why, right? It’s because the liberal, left-leaning MSM is tight-lipped with anything remotely related to the abortion issue…
Thank God for blogs like this and the pro-life grassroots movement…
They shoved PP down our throats right after Kennedy was killed – some Great Society Camelot myth- they wanted us to believe that PP was something good, something even holy and needed for the nation patriotic even – there was even a US postage stamp issued honoring PP – can you believe that! outrageous – I was a stamp collector as a kid and that even shocked me. How did this toxic PR happen to promote this vile organization where many ignorant people think it some government agency. Why so much taxpayer money goes to those ghouls? It’s just outright outrageous how they have managed to ride the waves for all these decades, what a scam job – but a very well thought out scam and safeguarded by the powers that be.
Laura –
I’m really sick of your talk about the “polls.” As I proved on the string awhile back, you can’t say it’s a non-issue when it’s not even a CHOICE on the polls. And (again) the polls that DID have it as a choice it ranked in the top 10, 8, 6…
But it’s all about the spin to you…go figure…
There are several pro-life Democratic senators. Very few people I talked about would say that abortion is the dealbreaker. They’d rather have someone that is a good leader and willing to make the changes they want.
The more pro-life Dems we get out there, the more America will change.
…one cannot be pro-life and vote pro-death.
…one cannot be pro-life and vote pro-death.
Posted by: jasper at February 29, 2008 2:21 PM
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Then you wont be voting for anyone who doesnt want our troups out of Iraq and Afghanistan as quickly as possible – which means you wont be voting for any GOP candidate.
jasper,
*yawn* got anything better to say?
TR,
Our troops are saving lives. Al-Queda, The Taliban and other nuts are killing them.
See TR, take a lot at your diabolical position which allows innocent unborn children to be butchered. You should really re-think it.
jasper, I agree.
Jasper, I disagree.
jasper, I agree.
Laura is right; abortion is not an important issue. That’s why every single Democrat to run for president recently has either been a pro-abort for his entire career or has switched from pro-life to pro-abortion in order to run for president.
Plus there’s the fact that pro-life Democrat Bob Casey, Sr. was not allowed to speak at the Democratic Convention since he was going to mention abortion. No, obviously, abortion is not an important issue.
Also, abortion is such a non-issue that people like Laura spend hundreds of hours trolling pro-life websites.
john, lol!
Oh, and, jasper, I agree.
While I certainly don’t like killing, I’ll vote for the party which kills murderers and terrorists rather than the party which kills babies and old people.
Who do Liberals thinks it a horrible evil for a US citizen to willingly join the armed forces and fight in the Middle East where they have a small chance at being killed during battle yet have no problem with the violent murder of over 3,000 American babies each day?
Because LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!!
Read the psychological details on it here.
The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness
http://tinyurl.com/2w76vp
And here
Liberalism is a Mental Disorder: Savage Solutions
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Our troops are saving lives. Al-Queda, The Taliban and other nuts are killing them.
See TR, take a lot at your diabolical position which allows innocent unborn children to be butchered. You should really re-think it.
Posted by: jasper at February 29, 2008 2:53 PM
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you really are pathetically ignorant but Bush depends on idiots like you to buy into his bullscat – which is to be expected and by the way – unborn child is an oxymoron and mindless insensate nonviable tissue and cell structure isnt capable of being *innocent* nor is it *a child* and a simple surgical procedure is not ‘butchering’ anything
While I certainly don’t like killing, I’ll vote for the party which kills murderers and terrorists rather than the party which kills babies and old people.
Posted by: John Lewandowski at February 29, 2008 3:53 PM
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Oh – so babies and old people arent being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan … tell us all how you fantasize bombs and bullets can differentiate, wont you?
Are you kidding? We love Bob Casey!
I’ll vote for any pro-life Democrat willing to humiliate Rick “Sleeps-with-a-Fetus” Santorum and send him HOME!
And we know the Dems like to snuff out the babes – the old people would come next if they can. That’s why PP & NARL has star studded fund rising events in the Hamptons. It’s a big money making industry and the polls get lots of mula from the Baal and Moloch clergy. If abort wasn’t a big deal politically why does Emily’s list exist?
Give me a break.
Dems love it, it supports them, they promise utopia to the poor masses yet does everything possible to snuff the poor masses. And the poor masses are so ignorant about the whole thing that they go right along with it – hook line and sinker.
Um, the people in the service have decided to be there. It’s their job.
Gee, don’t some of you constantly remind us to “go to work, pay your bills, and don’t ask for a hand out?”…Well, people in the military ARE doing just that, so quit whining!
That’s funny, whan you check Democratic polls, Republican polls, and polls of Americans in general, very few even consider abortion an issue that they care about – much less being “all about abortion.”
It just isn’t an important issue in this election cycle. When was the last time you heard it mentioned in a debate or heard the candidates argue over the matter? There’s just too much important work to be done right now
Posted by: FetusFascist at February 29, 2008 9:25 AM
RFF,
It’s always important in every election cycle.
Why have you drones been constantly harping on the fact that you can’t wait to get a pro-abort in the White House to appoint pro-abort judges?
I agree with John, if this issue is so unimportant, why are you here all the time??
And once again you have to trump every single person on this site with your voodoo knowledge of politics and every other topic that comes up.
And again, RFF, you have proven yourslef to have a pretty short memory. You have been asked over and over to leave people alone who have experienced a loss, but yet you continue to make fun of them.
Hard to imagine you can hold down any type of job. With your bad memory, you must get cats and dogs confused all the time.
Try to remember:
Cats go MMMEEEOOOWWWWW
Dogs go bark, bark, or woof, woof, or arf, arf
Sandy, LOL!! TRUE AS CAN BE!! FF, If abortion isn’t important, why are you here every day? I guess it must be pretty important…DUH!
FF, Didn’t anyone ever tell you that actions speak louder than words? Gee, this is a NO BRAINER. Words “I don’t care about abortion.” Action…type on PL site, type on PL site. NOTE TO SELF; DEFEND ABORTION!!!! DOUBLE DUH!
I agree with John, if this issue is so unimportant, why are you here all the time??
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Because it’s important to me, but it’s really not important to the Democratic Party. The Republicans seldom or never mention it.
By the way, NEVER tell me how to do my job – especially when you’re a profession broodsow who FAILS 30% of the time.
Laura, I’m talking about Bob Casey Sr, not Bob Casey Jr. That’s why I put that “Sr” after his name. Bob Casey Sr was not allowed to speak at the Democratic National Convention. Why? Because he was going to say something about being pro-life. But you say that this issue is not important. Would Casey Sr have been refused by the Dems if he were going to say something about capitalism, which is also in opposition to liberal ideology? Somehow I doubt it.
How about the Supreme Court? The number one question asked about any Supreme Court nominee is, “Do they support Roe v. Wade?” Certainly that’s because abortion is such a non-issue, right?
TexasRed, US bombs dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan aren’t targeting babies and old people (except for old terrorists). The politicians you support target preborn babies and disabled people for execution. So yes, I’ll support the politicians who accidentally kill some babies and old people over the politicians who intentionally kill many babies and old people any day.
By the way, NEVER tell me how to do my job –
Posted by: FetusFascist at February 29, 2008 5:24 PM
Don’t forget to clean the cat litter boxes and scrape up the dog poop before you leave tonight.
Mario: Why is PP so damm powerful?
Damm?
Because despite all the baloney that’s attempted, it’s an organization that helps many people and supplies many needed services.
IHal: t’s certainly not “all about abortion” for me.
Nor is it for the vast majority of people, and that will only increase, IMO, as the standard of living of Americans declines, on average.
1.) People basically vote their pocketbook, and though there are sites like Jill’s where abortion is a hot topic; the tidal wave, the 800 lb. gorilla in the room, the Great Sheep looking over our shoulder, is the economy and how we perceive ourselves doing.
1a.) And isn’t that a bit funny – “how we perceive ourselves doing,” while we are wont to blame others, the gov’t, etc…?
2.) Immigration/Illegal Immigration will be the 2nd most important issue, again IMO.
Doug
Senator Bob Casey Jr is a right-to-lifer, but not a very enthusiastic one.
My bet: He will vote with democrats to break the filibuster against the Freedom of Choice Act, although he will also vote against the act itself.
–SoMG (Former Pennsylvania resident)
John L, you wrote: “people like Laura spend hundreds of hours trolling pro-life websites.”
I don’t know about Laura, but I troll here because I enjoy feeling superior. So few right-to-lifers know anything about abortion in the USA today.
Mario, you wrote: “Why so much taxpayer money goes to [PP]”?
Answer: Because funding PP SAVES us more $ than it costs. Paying for contraception is cheaper than paying for childbirths.
If PP were defunded, you’d have to pay HIGHER taxes.
Mario, you also wrote: “Why is PP so damm powerful? – because they have important and rich people helping it ”
Similarly, the right-to-life movement has a few wealthy donors–Ever heard of Richard Mellon Scaife? Ever heard of the Catholic Church?–which overfund it.
I don’t know about Laura, but I troll here because I enjoy feeling superior. So few right-to-lifers know anything about abortion in the USA today.
Posted by: SoMG at February 29, 2008 8:15 PM
No, actually the problem is that so few pro-choicers understand anything about abortion.
Plers know the realities.
Sandy, with all due respect (snicker) unless you are a professional, I must claim greater knowledge of abortion, particularly abortion in the USA, than you can claim.
Whether or not I know more about it than Jill Stanek is open for debate, because Jill’s posted falsehoods may be deliberate lies rather than due to ignorance.
For example, Jill posts links to sites that claim abortion causes breast cancer, which I bet she knows is false.
SoMG doesn’t even know the most basic thing about abortion – that it ends a human life. I think it therefore goes without saying that most of the pro-lifers on here know more about abortion than he does. Sure, he’s well versed in lies, damned lies, and statistics, but when it comes to factual knowledge, he has a problem.
Anyway, here’s an amusing column about Obama:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/purcell/s_553926.html
John L, you wrote: “SoMG doesn’t even know the most basic thing about abortion – that it ends a human life. ”
Yes, I do know that. (I agree that abortion ends a human life, but I think women should have the right to have abortions anyway.)
Abortion, as I have remarked before, is justifiable homicide.
SoMG, I stand corrected. Too bad the rest of the pro-aborts aren’t honest enough to admit that they support the killing of innocent human beings.
I would love to see Barack Obama on national television arguing that an unborn child is a living human being who is an unjust aggressor. This unjust aggressor is a threat to the woman, and therefore she can kill him in an act of self defense. I would absolutely love to see that! Alas, Obama’s not honest enough to say it.
John L, the unborn are not innocent, at least not in the literal sense of the word.
The prefix “in” means “not”, as in “inadequate” which means not adequate.
The root “nocent” means harmful (as in the word “noxious”.
The word “innocent” therefore means “not harmful”. But the unborn cause labor and delivery, which IS harmful. Therefore the unborn ARE harmful, hence NOT innocent.
Holy cow. SoMG, have you ever heard of the expression, give someone enough rope and he’ll hang himself?
Yeah.
Actually, Wing Nuts Daily held a “Values Voters” debate last September. It was broadcast on some “Angel Network” I don’t get, and NONE of the top-tier candidates bothered to show up.
Now there’s supposed to be another “Values Voters” debate on March 3rd, but so far I can’t find out where it’s being broadcast and if McCain is even going to show up.
Keep in mind KANSAS Republicans have been told to back off the abortion issue by their state leaders:
Republicans back off abortion issue
Email Comments (10) iPod-friendly Print By Stephanie Simon – Los Angeles Times
December 2, 2007
It would seem an ideal time for Kansas politicians opposed to abortion to push that agenda, hard. The state
Sorry-
Didn’t mean to tack on all the extra commentary.
John L, you only need to watch one bad labor & delivery, or one cesarian section, to see how harmful (equals not “innocent”) the unborn can be. Why do you think high-risk obstetrics is such a demanding specialty to train for and practice?
Ever birthed a baby from your boddy SOMG?
Good grief, Laura, don’t you know how to post a link? It’s not that complicated. All of that stupid crap could have been condensed into this:
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/dec/02/republicans_back_abortion_issue/
John L, you only need to watch one bad labor & delivery, or one cesarian section, to see how harmful (equals not “innocent”) the unborn can be. Why do you think high-risk obstetrics is such a demanding specialty to train for and practice?
Posted by: SoMG at February 29, 2008 9:46 PM
totally ridiculous comment Smog. Just exactly who are you? Where do you live? Where exactly do you work?
“John L, the unborn are not innocent, at least not in the literal sense of the word.”
SoMG, thats has to be the QoTD…good one.
SoMG, you have enough rope already. Seriously.
Good grief, Laura, don’t you know how to post a link? It’s not that complicated. All of that stupid crap could have been condensed into this:
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Gee, maybe a smart guy like you could tell me why none of the viable Republican candidates will show up at a “values voters” debate, and why nobody seems interested in broadcasting it.
John L,
I think SoMG has a couple abortions under his belt…or was an abortionists assistant…SoMG?
FF, what was the number one issue that concerned voters from the 2004 exit poll?
Moral values.
I don’t deny that labor & delivery can be emotionally rewarding, but you cannot deny that it causes harm to the mother. Go watch a woman go through any but the easiest birth, or watch a woman recover from a c-section, or talk to a woman with an intestinal-vaginal fistula (feces coming out your vagina all the time, yuk!) and tell me her fetus hasn’t harmed her.
In the case of a wanted pregnancy, the mother willingly undergoes that harm as a sacrifice for her baby. But she still suffers harm in a varying degree.
If you accept the literal definition of innocent as meaning “not harmful” (rather than “not guilty”, which is its common or everyday use) how can you avoid the conclusion that the unborn are, literally, not innocent? You can’t.
Sandy you are asking personal questions, but I will tell you this much: I participated in the emergence of non-surgical abortion technology (using methotrexate rather than RU-486) in the USA, so I take a little bit of personal credit for every one that is done.
SoMG,
Your just rewards will likely be death to your spirit.
I fear no mumbo, nor jumbo.
..and you know why, right? It’s because the liberal, left-leaning MSM is tight-lipped with anything remotely related to the abortion issue…
Thank God for blogs like this and the pro-life grassroots movement…
…………….and the John Birch Society for making conspiracy theories a way of life for so many of us paranoids.
I fear no mumbo, nor jumbo.
Posted by: SoMG at March 1, 2008 12:03 AM
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Fear the dumbos.
Laura, I’m talking about Bob Casey Sr, not Bob Casey Jr. That’s why I put that “Sr” after his name. Bob Casey Sr was not allowed to speak at the Democratic National Convention. Why? Because he was going to say something about being pro-life. But you say that this issue is not important. Would Casey Sr have been refused by the Dems if he were going to say something about capitalism, which is also in opposition to liberal ideology? Somehow I doubt it.
How about the Supreme Court? The number one question asked about any Supreme Court nominee is, “Do they support Roe v. Wade?” Certainly that’s because abortion is such a non-issue, right?
TexasRed, US bombs dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan aren’t targeting babies and old people (except for old terrorists). The politicians you support target preborn babies and disabled people for execution. So yes, I’ll support the politicians who accidentally kill some babies and old people over the politicians who intentionally kill many babies and old people any day.
Posted by: John Lewandowski at February 29, 2008 5:58 PM
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It is no accident that babies, pregnant women, old folks…… heck all manner of innocents/non combatants are killed by military bombings. It’s called collateral damage by the military. A dehumanizing way to describe indiscriminate murder. The military is rife with such dehumanizing verbiage.
Oh never mind that! You are much more likely to find yourself mistaken for an embryo or human vegetable and it makes you quake at the thought of what the world would suffer for the loss of you.
Laura, I didn’t watch the value voters debate either. To me it is a waste of time. What need is there for a debate? There are only two yes or no questions that need to be answered: (1) Are you pro-life?, and (2) Will you nominate originalist judges? That’s all we need to know. In my opinion it’s ridiculous to have a several hour debate on the subject.
All but one of the Republican presidential candidates were pro-life, and every single one of them promised to nominate originalist judges. How do you think a Republican candidate would have done if he was neither pro-life nor in support of judicial originalism? Not too well, and that’s because this is an important issue.
Sally, yes, I know that leftists hate the American military, which is solely responsible for you having any rights whatsoever. You don’t need to remind me. I know that you take the unfortunate realities of war and use them as weapons to condemn our heroic military men and women as ruthless murderers.
And, by the way, I’m not particularly worried about what happens to me. See, unlike pro-aborts, I am not selfish. My motivation in defending the unborn and the disabled is to give a voice to the voiceless, and to protect those who are unable to protect themselves. I believe in the philosophy that the strong have an obligation to protect the weak, rather than in the pro-abort mentality that the strong have the right to prey upon the weak.
I don’t know about Laura, but I troll here because I enjoy feeling superior. So few right-to-lifers know anything about abortion in the USA today.
Posted by: SoMG at February 29, 2008 8:15 PM——————- OMG, Slumped on floor laughing. JUST when do you begin to LOOK superior. Can’t stop laughing.
SoMG says:
I fear no mumbo, nor jumbo.
Posted by: SoMG at March 1, 2008 12:03 AM
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SoMG, Do you think spirits are mumbo jumbo? Then why do you use “spirit of martin gardner” for your moniker?
SoMG says:
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I fear no mumbo, nor jumbo.
Posted by: SoMG at March 1, 2008 12:03 AM
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SoMG,
Do you think spirits are mumbo jumbo? Then why do you use “spirit of martin gardner” for your moniker?
Somg, do you fear Dumbo? lol!
Sally, yes, I know that leftists hate the American military, which is solely responsible for you having any rights whatsoever. You don’t need to remind me. I know that you take the unfortunate realities of war and use them as weapons to condemn our heroic military men and women as ruthless murderers.
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Anyone read that shiz? Any good?
No PIP, all I know about him is that SOMG aspires to him as a kindred spirit.
Sally, yes, I know that leftists hate the American military, which is solely responsible for you having any rights whatsoever. You don’t need to remind me. I know that you take the unfortunate realities of war and use them as weapons to condemn our heroic military men and women as ruthless murderers.
GO JOHN!!!
Posted by: Bethany at March 1, 2008 6:59 PM
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My father was a liberal democrat. He earned 4 bronze stars in WWII. He survived the Battle of the Bulge and stuck around to help liberate concentration camps. My gr great grandparents were civilians at the Battle of Antietam. I spent 6 years as a military wife. War is very very ugly. I hate war and have issues with violence within military communities. Funny how you get all onion eyed over embryos yet completely disregard institutions that exist for the sole purpose of killing.
Sally, yes, I know that leftists hate the American military, which is solely responsible for you having any rights whatsoever. You don’t need to remind me. I know that you take the unfortunate realities of war and use them as weapons to condemn our heroic military men and women as ruthless murderers.
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Actually John, I have rights because of our government. The military does not pass laws.
So SoMG,
If you really think being a “harmful” fetus is reason enough to execute someone, why don’t you go kill yourself? After all, if you hadn’t been one once you wouldn’t be here.
SoMG, thats has to be the QoTD…good one.
Jasper, how about some more Mariska Hargitay?