New Stanek WND column, “The slaughterhouse rules”
Due to a system problem at WorldNetDaily, my column wasn’t posted early yesterday as usual. WND ran it later and again today, which hey, I’ll take with no complaints.
This column is an extension of a post I wrote last week. I kept thinking of more to add.
You will recall those not understanding the satirical nature of that post became incensed. Well multiply that by a worldwide audience. Emails received yesterday and today have been crazy. I’ll post them as comments.
Well, I just watched an undercover video filmed by the Humane Society at a California beef plant where cows were supposedly tortured and killed, and I must say I’m disgusted.
Prime-time news shows aired clips of this video last week with no warning of its graphic nature. I’m glad my 7-year-old grandson wasn’t around, or I might have had to explain where hamburger comes from.
What’s wrong with these Humane Society people? Don’t they have better things to do with their time? Perhaps they could alleviate this problem, if there really is a problem, by pasturing their own cow herds if they really cared.
Anyway, I’m quite sure this video is a fake.
And even if not, I don’t believe cows feel pain when being plowed by forklifts. No one can prove to me that they do. Flinching when prodded with pokers is a visceral response. Struggling when dragged by cow hooks is a primal reaction, certainly not related to pain. Cows can’t talk; therefore cows can’t feel pain. That’s just a fact….
Continue reading my column today, “The slaughterhouse rules,” on WorldNetDaily.com.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Wow, you really are half retarded aren’t you? It is proven that animals feel pain, dumbass. Oh yeah, but you don’t believe in science, so things like chemistry, and neurobiology don’t apply to your world view. So unless Jesus comes down to earth telling you that animals feel pain you just simply won’t believe it huh? Or will it just take George Bush Jr. telling you that animals feel pain? You probably equate GW to Jesus, so that sounds about right. It’s a shame you weren’t aborted, and that you’ve managed to find some idiot fellow mouth breather to reproduce with. Devolution at it’s finest.
How dare you, you idiot.
I`m a big time meat eater, and I am disgusted with your writings on beef cattle not feeling pain because they can`t speak. I don`t know; perhaps you are a comedy writer and it was all a joke. I don`t know you.
But you pissed me off.
As a consumer I expect the animals I eat to be NOT tortured before they are processed. Kill them in a fast and human way, that`s all I ask.
I understand company beef cattle are not treated well, and that’s why I eat only organic beef
But we must understand… please, any living animal, be it lobster or beef cattle, they all feel pain. And they deserve humane treatment.
Marc V and Scott: Get a clue! Jill was being sarcastic.
Jill, outstanding satire. What a great undercover comparison!
I am sure far more people – very few of the abortion on demand crew for sure – will get or want to get your right on comparison. It will be interesting to read their response to this column.
I often comment on how 35+ years has made me very very compassionate to all life. I can’t step on an ant (fire ants excluded) if simply moving my foot a few inches makes a difference.
I also draw the line at mosquittos, nasty snakes, and the NOW COWS.
Scott: How very compassionate of you. People stopped using the word “retarded” as an insult long ago. Care more for the cows than the developmentally disabled? Just remember, we are all one disease or car accident away from being what you term “retarded”.
Very good! But you forgot a few arguments:
~ I personally wouldn’t fork lift a cow, but who am I to impose my morality on someone else?
~ I think steak should be safe, legal, and rare.
~ If you are against forklifting and prodding cows than don’t forklift one!
~ How do we know it is wrong to forklift and prod cows?
~ When does life begin anyway?
~ The cow is in a better place.
I am extremely disappointed regarding your remarks that animals DON’T FEEL PAIN WHEN THEY ARE SLAUGHTERED AND DRUG AROUND CONSCIOUS by cruel workers who don”t care.
I am pro-life, and I thought you were a person who cared about the suffering of those who cannot speak for themselves.
I too am a nurse, and I am astounded by your lack of empathy. I will never read your column with the same feelings as I did before.
Suffering is suffering. God never intended man to eat meat if you read Genesis. There is no excuse for torturing animals.
So you say it is just a reflex action: that is what the pro-aborts say about babies undergoing abortion: that they do not feel pain.
PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS MATTER IF YOU WANT TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH PEOPLE REGARDING ABORTION!
I am a vegetarian and there are many people out there who feel the same as I do. Certainly a nurse should have compassion for all living things!
Hellllloooooooooooooooo Alayna: Jill was being sarcastic!
Alayna, chill out, please. It was satire. It was a take-off on the excuses proaborts use to justify abortion. And a nice one, too!
Besides, don’t you know that if we stop them from torturing and killing sick and diseased cattle in stock pens, people will start to do that in their own back yards in unsanitary conditions and maybe hurt themselves in the process? Hey, you don’t want to see thousands of people doing back-alley cow butchering, do you?
Your column is so full of soul-sick logic and cold-blooded rhetoric, I barely know where to begin. There is so much to say to her about this vile piece, but I feel it best to simply address her big finale:
“At its core, this is a religious issue anyway.”
Yes, Jill, I think so too. Like you, I believe in the God of the Bible. I also think it is wrong to worship cattle and set animals above people in the way organizations like PETA do. In God’s eyes, people are clearly more important, which is clearly seen in the sacrificial system of the Jews: God allowed sheep to be slaughtered for the sins of His people until Jesus came to pay that price in full.
But I am also a vegetarian. Perhaps someone should let you know that God’s preference is for people to be vegetarian. Not only were we that way in the garden of Eden, we are to be that way again in heaven. (Indeed, even lions will lie down with lambs and wolves will eat wheat.)
Her nasty, flippant disregard for animal life thumps at God’s command for mankind be caretakers
of this planet in the same way He is a caretaker for the universe. God even knows when a bird dies, and He knows when people are abusing animals for fun and profit. He also knows when people like you abuse His Holy Word to make a sick point to score points with the meat industry.
I have no problem when people eat meat. I gladly dine at the same table with them as they are eating meat. It certainly isn’t a sin, especially for those who need it to survive. Indeed, that’s why God permitted meat eating: Noah and his family needed it because there wasn’t a lot of plant life to survive on AFTER
the flood. (Remember, Noah took seven of every clean animal and two of every unclean animal.)
If we don’t need meat to survive, why are we eating so much meat? It’s probably the same reason this country is full of fat people and disease. We are selfish gluttons who disregard everything to satisfy our sin-controlled
appetites.
Perhaps we all need to take a deep breath and a
sobering look at what the Bible indicates about God’s creation. God’s animals are good, and any bloodshed of human or animal life is a result of a sin-filled world. We won’t be hunting or eating animals in heaven. Those who take such pleasure in hunting animals for sport now, glorying in the death of God’s creation, will get quite the wake-up call at the wedding feast with Jesus.
You write, “I’m glad my 7-year-old grandson wasn’t around, or I might have had to explain where hamburger comes from.”
You know why you don’t want to let your grandkid understand where hamburger comes from? Deep
inside, blood and death disturb her. It
Regarding my 11:40a comment, hello and touche. I was hoping when I wrote that you were in fact kidding. But I didn`t want to take it lightly. I`ll try to think more in the future.
Inhumane treatment is always wrong, whether it is to the unborn, disabled, elderly or animals who are utterly dependent on the good will of those in whose care they have been placed.
I realize you are echoing what the coldhearted say about the unborn but your article sickens me nonetheless and does not advance our cause but only goes to show you can be Right and still be Wrong.
May God have mercy on you and your reckless disregard for life.
Posted by: Angel at February 28, 2008 11:58 AM
I wonder if Angel is pro-life. I sure hope so! Anyway, I’m going to give these people the benefit of the doubt about their comments. They obviously don’t know Jill or they would have never commented this way.
Jill, these were the comments that were posted to WND, right? Not from people who regularly visit your site, correct?
Hi Marc V. Seems like alot of people thought she was serious. At least you weren’t the only one. :)
Kristen, some are comments I received from WND readers. Others no. They just came here to post. No, they must not be familiar with my work, which can get snippy… :)
Jill will need a disclaimer from now on! :)
Marc V. – It takes a big man to admit he was wrong. I’m sure Jill will appreciate it! :)
In my earlier life I worked with cattle quite a bit. I know they are the dumbest animals on earth.
I’ve seen a mother cow with a dead calf hanging our of her back side cause it didn’t make it all the way out in the birthing process and the cow showed no sign of pain.
I’ve seen them run directly into and through barb wire fences and not make a noise. That’s the main reason that some ranchers went to electric fencing. The small amount of electricity that shocks them would keep them away that no barbed wire would.
We have come to the situation today in our world where the nuts have taken over the asylum.
Kristen: I am shocked that these people can’t detect the sarcasm in Jill’s post. Even if they don’t know Jill from her blog… The sarcasm is so evident.
Just one comment regarding your column.
In that article you wrote and I quote: “And even if not, I don’t believe cows feel pain when being plowed by forklifts. No one can prove to me that they do. Flinching when prodded with pokers is a visceral response. Struggling when dragged by cow hooks is a primal reaction, certainly not related to pain. Cows can’t talk; therefore cows can’t feel pain. That’s just a fact.”
No. Ms. Stanek, it is not a fact. In my youth I worked for four years in a dairy farm milking cows and I can assure you that cows, like all mammals, feel pain, very much so.
Great column. It took me a few lines, but it really hit the nail hard.
Re: my 11:58a comment: Ah. A modest proposal fools me again. Thanks for explaining. Just the same, there are a lot of pro-lifers who disregard animal life as if it means nothing.
Hilarious! That was great. I can certainly connect the dots to the abortion mills.
Just as cows can feel no pain, so aborted fetuses feel no pain. So what’s the fuss?
Oh my goodness, the comments are PRICELESS!!
Kristen: I am shocked that these people can’t detect the sarcasm in Jill’s post. Even if they don’t know Jill from her blog… The sarcasm is so evident.
Carrie, I agree. What is up with that?
Bethany: I haven’t laughed this hard in ages. This column is the gift that keeps on giving.
Yeah, it took me a few paragraphs to realize where Jill was going with this too, but if you read the whole thing it’s pretty obviously sarcasm/satire.
So for all those peeps still agitated and outraged about Jill’s dissing of cows….
IT WAS ALL ABOUT ABORTION, NOT CATTLE!!
“moo-gooders ” LOL!
Good thing this animal loving Catholic gets sarcasm and satire, Jill. :-)
On a serious note, as a former volunteer for the Anti Cruelty Society, former vet clinic employee and an adoptive guardian to two rescued doxies — who rescued me in return — I have never understood the “false dilemna” rhetoric offered by some ostensibly “pro life” folk who tell me who can’t care if dogfighting or other cruelty is going on because we have to focus on abortion.
Humans are more important, therefore, all caring for the suffering of animals will have to wait until we have a perfect world in which no babies suffer.
That makes love a zero sum pie and argues that there is not enough love and mercy to go around. I think love and mercy are like the loaves and fish. You keep reaching in expecting to find an empty basket but God grants you more and more.
I think you rescue the shivering abandoned pup or kitten by the side of the road because God put you on that road and the time to act is NOW not when we recreate some utopian fantasy for all humans.
Some of the incredibly selfless, enthusiastic and imaginative folk I have worked with on humane volunteer projects would make wonderful allies in the fight against abortion, neo-nate neglect, and the euthanasia that this Baby Boomer sees lurking ahead as my generation ages.
Bethany: I don’t know. I think people are just looking for an excuse to jump down Jill’s throat. When they saw this column, they immediately saw what they thought was a golden opportunity to get her. In all fairness though, some of the people who took it the wrong way were prolifers.
Beverly: Also, you can often tell how someone will treat their fellow humans by how they treat their animals. In situations where you see animal abuse, you see child abuse.
Carrie, I was surprised by that as well. Maybe some people just don’t get satire, or don’t expect it? It’s hard for me to have read it without “getting it” but I wonder if people who aren’t exposed to these ridiculous types of arguments on a daily basis just simply don’t recognize them?
I do enjoy though, so much, the responses of the pro-abortion crowd which parallel so closely with our own pro-life arguments!
“Next thing you know these quacks will target the veal industry. Then we’ll see all out war between the calves and calve-nots.”
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Cud be. Wouldn’t that be a switch?
Thanks for the humor in the article, Jill.
lol at all the vegetarians who don’t get it.
I don’t know Jill other than I’m on her mailing list and I was shocked. I certainly didn’t realize it was a joke. Disclaimer next time, please.
Bethany and Carrie, I know what you mean but I was being charitable. I really thought those PP (were they bumper stickers?) in Jill’s other post were jokes, but then she said they were real!
Someone sent me a link to a “instructions for looking after baby” and I thought they were hilarious! UNTIL I watched the video at the end and then I thought, huh? Were they serious?
The website is in Spanish so if anyone can tell me if they think the language is sarcastic I’d appreciate it. Here’s the link…
http://www.makememinimal.com/2008/instrucciones-para-cuidar-un-bebe/
Kristen, 12:53
Hehe!!!! I love those!!! They crack me up!
I found one a while back and thought it was serious, and posted it on my blog:
This was the picture:
But then I found out that it WAS a joke, after finding a whole book with those pictures (including the ones you posted a link to), in the book. You can probably find the book at Books A million, where I found mine. I can’t remember the name of it.
Jill was making a concerted effort to look like an idiot. She did a very good job of it.
Actually, Texas red, she accomplished exactly what she set out to accomplish. She got pro-aborts to use pro-life arguments!
Kristen,
THAT WAS HILARIOUS!!!!
I didn’t think anything could be funnier than these posts, but that link might have won!
And they have to be kidding. Right? Right?? RIGHT????
Bethany, my favorite one is “Calming baby.” I love the bottle next to baby!
I sent them to my sister when she had her first. She didn’t quite get the sarcasim until I explained I DIDN’T think she was an idiot. I’m chalking it up to sleep deprivation on her part…. ;)
MK, I know! Too funny! Next time I get a sitter I might leave her these “instructions.” I wonder if the average 17 year old would get it. Hmmm…?
Texas Red,
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but we are all having a good laugh at their expense. Are you sure you want to admit you “didn’t get it”.
It is better to say nothing and appear a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it…just saying.
By the way, you had us chasing the internet for proof of those pictures on the other thread and then you disappeared. I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just got busy, and not that you realized you were wrong.
I just can’t stop laughing. I haven’t looked at them in awhile…
“Bonding with Baby”
“Nursing Baby”
“Exercising Baby”
I think the Spanish website probably says “Look what these dumb Americans put out! Can you believe how stupid they are?”
MK –
Shoot! I’ve been shopping wrong all these years!
Thank goodness I can refer to these helpful hints frequently to remind myself of the proper way to do things!
When I first saw this one, I didn’t see the second baby. It was funnier when I thought he’d thrown him so high he never came back…
I had to read it a couple of times – I said – this has to be a satire – I guess my initial reaction was correct. Jill is not a monster – its satire – and I have found that many liberals don’t understand satire. pro aborts don’t have a sense of humor – although I have known some Christians who have wacky attitudes of man vs animals. Like we humans being overlords to the animals because that is what it says in the Bible. YES, I have guilty feelings about eating meat because I know the animal is killed and i know many suffer – but I have been conditioned to eat meat so it is very hard to stop. I remember a nun at school telling us that our cat and dog pets did not have a soul because thay could not accept Jesus and they could not have feelings. Now I am catholic and very pro life but just because I hate abortion doesn’t mean I am all for the slaughter of animals or don’t care about animals.
~ I think steak should be safe, legal, and rare.
Hahahahahahahahaha….
Me too! Except, I’m actually more of the school of “safe, legal and medium-rare.”
Cow jokes with an abortion parallel. My day could not get any better.
You begin to understand how so many people a few hundred years ago actually came away thinking that Jonathan Swift really wanted to eat babies. Subtlety is a dying art.
“Just the same, there are a lot of pro-lifers who disregard animal life as if it means nothing.”
True dat. If you tell someone you choose not to eat meat, you might get, “You should care about HUMAN BEINGS!” as if you don’t already do so.
Way to go, Jill. If only your piece could make it to the front pages of the daily fishwrappers. That was brilliant.
Living here in Alaska we have the extreme enviros who want to stop all oil exploration because it may harm the polar bears. They want to place the bears on the endangered species list.
I tell them, the bears will adapt to dry land like we humans did when we crawled out of the swamp, and if that isn’t good enough the old species will EVOLVE into a new and better species. That’s what the evolutionists tell us, now it’s time for them to believe their teaching.
Let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart (Galatians 6:9).
Pretty lame Jill. Comparing embryos to tortured animals is way over the top. But that’s you.
HOLY COW! What a column….
Jill,
It’s not fair!
God gave you AT LEAST three gifts….
I’m jealous!
Sally,
Awww, yer just sorry you didn’t think of it.
Dang, this thread is TOO funny. It made my day..first the comments from people who take things WAY to literally and then all the pictures of what NOT to do with your kid. I’m dyin’ over here people.
Veal, yum.
>i>Pretty lame Jill. Comparing embryos to tortured animals is way over the top. But that’s you.
I know. Isn’t it tho. Anyone with half a brain knows that human embryos are far superior to animals…
Oh Snap, MK.
I want my steak to be government-funded. A right to choose steak doesn’t mean much if I can’t afford a 20-ounce Porterhouse. Poor meat-eaters across America can’t afford the steak that others take for granted.
We have two Americas: those who can afford steak, and those who cannot. (Vegans and other non-steak-eaters are probably Canadian, so they don’t count.) We need to bring those two Americas together into one strong, steak-eating nation. And the only way to do that is with government-funded steak.
Buy me a steak already!
Liberals don’t understand satire?
You guys were never fans of the Colbert Report or the Daily Show. Maybe conservatives only “get” satire when it’s a point for their side.
I am pro-life though. But when I read it, I was like, “haha, I wonder how many people will not get this.” Sure enough…
pip,
I think it may just be that we don’t think it’s funny is the problem.
I find satire in many forms very amusing when it is done correctly.
I also find it amusing when people don’t GET the satire such as with this article.
MK, wondering if those are based on actual events XP
Humans are more important, therefore, all caring for the suffering of animals will have to wait until we have a perfect world in which no babies suffer.
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Well, you could always start here:
Laura, 12:290p: You are projecting. I am by no means bitter. My son
suffered due to an immature mother who would sometimes rather party than
spend time with him, back in the day.
I sinned. But God saw an opportunity for the blessing of giving a unique,
special child to the world, despite that.
I met Rich when Michael was 3-1/2. We married when he was 5, and Rich
adopted him, which was another blessing.
Posted by: Jill Stanek at January 16, 2008 4:51 AM
Oh FF, nothing more legitimate to say so you choose to throw out an insult.
Can’t say I’m surprised.
More on the genital terminology debate from a week or so ago, this from some irreverent art students:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunemanic/2268747525/
Caution – the overly sensitive or prudish might be offended!
“I think it may just be that we don’t think it’s funny is the problem.”
How could you not think Colbert is funny? It’s like saying that God doesn’t exist. Blasphemy.
*starts doing another 5 minute prayer on a rug facing NYC*
Well, you could always start here:
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Laura, 12:290p: You are projecting. I am by no means bitter. My son
suffered due to an immature mother who would sometimes rather party than
spend time with him, back in the day.
I sinned. But God saw an opportunity for the blessing of giving a unique,
special child to the world, despite that.
I met Rich when Michael was 3-1/2. We married when he was 5, and Rich
adopted him, which was another blessing.
Posted by: Jill Stanek at January 16, 2008 4:51 AM
I don’t get it…why is this a bad thing and why is it an example of a child suffering?
Sounds like he did all right to me…
I don’t get it…why is this a bad thing and why is it an example of a child suffering?
Posted by: mk at February 28, 2008 5:01 PM
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Hey, SHE said he suffered – not me.
Funny how the Quote of the Day is all about a mother who LIKES spending time with her child.
Well, you could always start here:
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Laura, 12:290p: You are projecting. I am by no means bitter. My son
suffered due to an immature mother who would sometimes rather party than
spend time with him, back in the day.
I sinned. But God saw an opportunity for the blessing of giving a unique,
special child to the world, despite that.
I met Rich when Michael was 3-1/2. We married when he was 5, and Rich
adopted him, which was another blessing.
Posted by: Jill Stanek at January 16, 2008 4:51 AM
I don’t get it…why is this a bad thing and why is it an example of a child suffering?
Sounds like he did all right to me…
Posted by: mk at February 28, 2008 5:01 PM
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Jill? Why do you think that you were a bad mother with a suffering child?
Actually, Texas red, she accomplished exactly what she set out to accomplish. She got pro-aborts to use pro-life arguments!
Posted by: Bethany at February 28, 2008 1:05 PM
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Actually, Jill clearly failed to manage any parallel between the massive mistreatment and torture of animals to a woman having an abortion as witnessed by the inability of so many to find any such parallel.
All Jill has managed to do is spotlight her complete lack of concern over a very serious news article with her flippancy and total disregard for the content of the actual article.
Jill’s little joke was neither clever nor amusing.
Oh FF, nothing more legitimate to say so you choose to throw out an insult.
Can’t say I’m surprised.
Posted by: Elizabeth at February 28, 2008 4:42 PM
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Do Jill’s words insult you? Why?
Alayna, chill out, please. It was satire. It was a take-off on the excuses proaborts use to justify abortion. And a nice one, too!
Besides, don’t you know that if we stop them from torturing and killing sick and diseased cattle in stock pens, people will start to do that in their own back yards in unsanitary conditions and maybe hurt themselves in the process? Hey, you don’t want to see thousands of people doing back-alley cow butchering, do you?
Posted by: Doyle at February 28, 2008 11:58 AM
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You got it Doyle. The next thing you know, BC control and abortion will be illegal. We wouldn’t want backyards full of children living in unsanitary conditions, Diseased and starving. . What was that cattle train called? Oh yes, the Orphan train. Children from big cities sent out to farmers to be treated like indentured servants. Ah yes! The good ole days! When children were a commodity.
Sally,
. What was that cattle train called? Oh yes, the Orphan train. Children from big cities sent out to farmers to be treated like indentured servants. Ah yes! The good ole days! When children were a commodity.
Do you think Billy the Kid and the Governors of Alaska and South Dakota would rather have been aborted?
Do you think Billy the Kid and the Governors of Alaska and South Dakota would rather have been aborted?
Posted by: mk at February 28, 2008 6:56 PM
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A hugely disproportionate number of serial killers were adopted as children:http://www.amfor.net/killers/intro.html
Depending on which source you site, Billy the Kid murdered between nine and twenty people. I’m sure their loved ones wished that he had been aborted.
Why stop there, Fascist? Perhaps they would also wish that Billy the Kid were killed off when he was a five-year-old boy. Then he wouldn’t be able to kill nine to twenty children. So…are you in favor of killing five-year-olds, too? Same argument.
Uh, Sally where have you been for the past 15 years?
Children are a commodity more than ever today what with IVF and rich people from Western countries paying poor women from countries like India and Romania to have their babies.
IVF is rife with this mentality. If the product (read embryo) isn’t perfect it doesn’t get implanted.
Perhaps they would also wish that Billy the Kid were killed off when he was a five-year-old boy. Then he wouldn’t be able to kill nine to twenty children. So…are you in favor of killing five-year-olds, too?
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YEAH! Kill them with rocks, wolverines, and cheese graters! That’s me!
Aight. Just so we’re clear on your stance.
Sally,
. What was that cattle train called? Oh yes, the Orphan train. Children from big cities sent out to farmers to be treated like indentured servants. Ah yes! The good ole days! When children were a commodity.
Do you think Billy the Kid and the Governors of Alaska and South Dakota would rather have been aborted?
Posted by: mk at February 28, 2008 6:56 PM
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Are you contending that these people were members of Orphan trains?
Are you contending that these people were members of Orphan trains?
The idea was that families would provide the children food, clothing, and a living space in return for their help on the farms. It was hoped that the children would become an integral part of the families, that they would be adopted. When it actually worked that way, it was usually great. Children grew up, married, raised families, and contributed to the growing nation. Two orphan train boys went on to become governors of South Dakota and Alaska. Others were teachers, business people, legislators, and community leaders. Many children were placed in situations that didn’t work. Unfortunately, some of these foster families were abusive and exploitive. Children sometimes moved from family to family, until they finally were on their own. And some of the children were difficult, incorrigible, and delinquent. Billy the Kid was an orphan train child.
http://www.42explore2.com/orphan.htm
When I heard the news about the beef, I thought to myself that those folks are more worried about the cows or beef.
The media would do well to do as much “beefing” re: aborted human beings and infants more alive who are victims of infanticide here in our “civilized” society.
I wish you would stick to writing about the abortion issue. You made some pretty stupid comments trying to describe the Humane Society’s expose on animal cruelty at slaughter houses.
“Anyway, I’m quite sure this video is a fake.
And even if not, I don’t believe cows feel pain when being plowed by forklifts. ”
Yes, for your information, Cows and all other animals that have nervous systems can feel pain, and they know fear and panic. Guess you never talked to anyone who tried to put out a barn fire that contained cows and horses.
The point of the expose was to alert everyone that sick and otherwise unhealthy cattle were being slaughtered for food that we eat.
If I was going to speculate on the validity of the video I would have said that possibly some animal rights group staged the event to make the news. Never-the-less, it was later proven that it did happen at the place it was said to.
Jill, your column is subtle and very clever!
To test it out, I sent it to a vegetarian, pro-life Republican friend to gage her reaction – she sent back an angry response about how this was “wrong on so many levels.”
I wrote back that it was tongue in cheek and mirrored the pro-abortion arguments. She was flabbergasted, re-read it, and decided it was very good!
I like that on the first read, you find yourself thinking “this is wrong on so many levels” and then it sinks in and you’re reminded why you’re pro-life, because good sense, compassion, and regard for how we treat those (human or animal) weaker than us hasn’t failed you!
Great job, Jill! Very clever! And in the same spirit of satire I offer the following:
Well, who are _you_ to judge the people in this company who have done this to the cows? You have no idea what hardships these people have endured before making the difficult choice to control their own cows. And what about the company’s right to privacy? How dare the Humane Society expose something like this! How many unwanted, downer cows have _they_ adopted, huh? I say: “Keep the government out of the barnyard!”
;)
I don’t think Nelson A. got it… ;)
NAAMAN
You lied in your conversion story, why should anyone listen to anything you say?
Jills attempt to be ‘clever’ made her look like an idiot – simple as that.
Jills attempt to be ‘clever’ made her look like an idiot – simple as that.
Posted by: TexasRed at February 29, 2008 12:41 PM********** *sigh* some things never change.
As a steakeater (not on Fridays mind you!) and since I have a sister who used to be a vegan, I’ll tell you this much: it’s a travesty they do not raise the same clamor about the slaughter of innocent babies.
Not a peep regarding this is heard from them or the Hollywood types that are into the business of endless charity.
As I say….where’s the beef?
Calves and calve nots….love it. :)
Maybe we can keep a running tally on the number of people who didn’t understand the satire in JS’s piece. Those who didn’t get it then but do now can be put into parentheses.
Jaybones
How is it even possible to lie about your conversion. By definition it’s subjective!
Man, this post brought out eccentrics!
mk,
Naaman told his conversion on Ms. Stanek’s website from being a clinic escort to being pro-life. Naaman told several lies about incidents that occurred at the time. Therefore, Naaman’s story is a piece of fiction.
Jaybones, instead of just calling him a liar, maybe you could explain what you feel he lied about, so we could be the judge of that? I have read his story several times and see nothing that could be construed to be a lie.
Why don’t we start with the fact that NOW did not provide the escorts at Commonwealth Women’s Clinic? Second, why is Naaman afraid to answer for himself?
Chris T: As a steakeater (not on Fridays mind you!) and since I have a sister who used to be a vegan, I’ll tell you this much: it’s a travesty they do not raise the same clamor about the slaughter of innocent babies.
Not a peep regarding this is heard from them or the Hollywood types that are into the business of endless charity.
As I say….where’s the beef?
Chris, I had me a nice prime rib tonight, though Friday it be.
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Calves and calve nots….love it. :)
Hoo Aah! Love it.
And yeah – many are cold but few are frozen.
Doug
I’m still observing the lenten promises I have made, regardless of how confused I am on the religious issue.
I am currently minus 7 lbs since lent started :)
PIP, you go ahead and lose – I’ll find it.
lol Doug–hopefully by easter another 5-7 lbs will be lost. Then I will be satisfied. Beautiful.
http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/summary_billy.htm
Doesnt look like Billy the Kid was one of the orphan train children
I dont believe Billy the Kid was one of the orphan train children
http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/summary_billy.htm
Its estimated he was born in 1860 / 61
On March 1, 1873 in Santa Fe, New Mexico, Catherine McCarty married a man named William Antrim. Since there were now two Billies in the household, the Kid
Are you contending that these people were members of Orphan trains?
The idea was that families would provide the children food, clothing, and a living space in return for their help on the farms. It was hoped that the children would become an integral part of the families, that they would be adopted. When it actually worked that way, it was usually great. Children grew up, married, raised families, and contributed to the growing nation. Two orphan train boys went on to become governors of South Dakota and Alaska. Others were teachers, business people, legislators, and community leaders. Many children were placed in situations that didn’t work. Unfortunately, some of these foster families were abusive and exploitive. Children sometimes moved from family to family, until they finally were on their own. And some of the children were difficult, incorrigible, and delinquent. Billy the Kid was an orphan train child.
http://www.42explore2.com/orphan.htm
Posted by: mk at February 29, 2008 5:39 AM
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mk, thanks for the Orphan Trains for Dummies link. I’m sure that it quenched your thirst for knowledge on the subject. I like to dig down to the roots of everything. You like easy answers.
mk, thanks for the Orphan Trains for Dummies link. I’m sure that it quenched your thirst for knowledge on the subject. I like to dig down to the roots of everything. You like easy answers.
What exactly IS your problem?
PIP: lol Doug–hopefully by easter another 5-7 lbs will be lost. Then I will be satisfied. Beautiful.
You’re beautiful, satisfied or not.