Tiller caught on tape
Last weekend 2 Students for Life of America staff members infiltrated a Feminist Majority Conference held at the National Education Association headquarters in DC.
I’ll never understand how the NEA could possibly support aborting it’s future paychecks, but that’s an aside.
Special guest? George Tiller, infamous KS late-term abortionist. And SFL got video….
The video is hard to understand but is subtitled in spots. What I found creepy even for an abortionist was Tiller’s slide show of dead babies he had aborted. For that he got a standing O and hugs.
Other tidbits:
Mar.17, 2008 6:48 pm |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Wow! that guy is nuts!
I look at him and all I can think of is Gollum….my precioussssssssss abortion…he is being eaten away from the inside out.
Gee, I wonder if SoMG was there!?!?!?
Did he talk about the time he was shot by a right-to-life terrorist?
No. He got over it.
Jill, can you post a transcript of his talk? My computer doesn’t play video.
I need some help…it seems that I have a Terry Shiavo-type situation developing here in my family.
I need links, research and references ASAP – I’ve got a meeting tomorrow!
I thought maybe some of Jill’s loyal readers could help… Thanks!
Milehimama,
I wish I knew more about this kind of stuff so I could help. Here is one link http://www.priestsforlife.org/euthanasia/terrisfinalhours.htm where Father Pavone talks about the last hours he spent with Terri.
Also, there is a former attorney named Wesley J Smith who blogs at http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/ . He is very big in the anti-assisted suicide movement and comes at it from a purely secular POV. You might be able to find some helpful info at his website.
If nothing else, you situation will be in my prayers. I wish I could help more. God love you.
“Did he talk about the time he was shot by a right-to-life terrorist?”
SoMG, you mean right-to-life vigilante.
OK, I google Born Alive Infant Protection Act, and I find http://www.nrlc.org/Federal/Born_Alive_Infants/BAIPLaw0405.html
It says “As used in this section, the term ”born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.”
That definitely makes it look like Dr. Tiller may be right–any fetus that slides out at the beginning of an attempted abortion and has a heartbeat is entitled to a desperate attempt to prolong or save its life.
Jill, why do you call this a misreading of the law?
You can tell from this video that Tiller is “failing” considerably since the last time he was interviewed by anyone.
And women still seek this guy’s HEALTHCARE services?????
I had to laugh at that speaker referring to his staff as “courageous”. Untrained, non licensed and uneduacated, yes….but “Courageous” ???
Laughable, indeed.
Jasper, Rachelle Shannon is a terrorist, and shooting Dr. Tiller was not her first act of right-to-life terrorism.
Mike, it was funny. It makes me think about all of the women who believed in Charles Manson. Can we say “brainwashed”?
SoMG, you mean right-to-life vigilante.
Jasper, if you honestly believe that, then you are a truly horrible person and there is NO way that you would be able to call yourself a Christian. I don’t know how Jesus would handle abortion but I KNOW he would not advocate violence in any part.
I am utterly horrified. That is certainly not a pro-life stance for you to take.
Somg, Shelly Shannon is incarcerated. Why can’t you move past this? It seems to bug you more than it bugs George.
I’ll never let you forget how evil the side of Choice is either…On that you can rely!!
NEVER!
Leah,
vigilante; any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime.
I think “vigilante” fits (I believe that abortion is a crime) and while I in no way avocate violence against anybody, I believe they attack abortionists for their crimes against humanity.
I also believe that abortion is a crime. It’s just legalized for now.
Calling such a person a “vigilante” is the same as validating their actions. You frighten me, Jasper. You honestly do.
Jasper is a pro-terrorist.
“Calling such a person a “vigilante” is the same as validating their actions. You frighten me, Jasper. You honestly do.”
Leah, how can a puppy like me frighten you? LOL.
I’m not validating their actions, I’m just using the most fitting description of people who attack abortionists.
While I agree that “terrorist” is not the most accurate term we could use to describe these criminals, to affirm the term “vigilante” does indeed justify their actions. You may disagree with what abortion doctors do, but abortion is not a crime and the individuals who choose to turn their backs on their so-called beliefs of life and kill the doctors, or attempt to do so, are hypocrites and, in my opinion, a horrible shame to the life movement. I certainly want people like those fighting for my cause.
I don’t like dogs, anyhow. Puppies are cute to look at, but they only get bigger…
@Leah: Pomeranians stay small and cute like puppies forever! :D
Pretend Jasper’s a little fluffkins like my puppers:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=42112431&l=24674&id=13956917
Rae! Where have you been, woman?
@Leah: Hiding. ^_^
Did he say he kills babies cause the extra surgeries and medical care they would need after birth would max out the cap on the mother’s health insurance too quickly if the baby were allowed to live? These pro-aborts are vile people. Did you see that baby on the video? He had an extra arm growing out one side, worthy of a death sentence in the vile pro-abort minds of these people. Woe, Woe, Woe I say.
Jasper is a pro-terrorist.
Posted by: SoMG at March 17, 2008 9:13 PM
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SoMG, Your safe for now as long as you don’t kill one of mine. Sucks to be you.
Last weekend 2 Students for Life of America staff members infiltrated a Feminist Majority Conference
“Infiltrated?” Isn’t that an awfully dramatic way of saying that they signed up and attended an event with open registration? It’s not like they had to know a secret feminist handshake to get in.
SOMG, 8:37p, asked: Jill, why do you call this a misreading of the law?
The Born Alive Infants Protection Act defined that legal personhood begins at birth, no matter what circumstances of that birth or baby’s age. This means these children are protected by the Constitution to EQUAL protection, not extraneous or special protection. If a previable baby is aborted alive, that baby should get the SAME care a previable nonaborted live baby would get.
Ray, yeah, “infiltrated” was more exciting than “signed up without the gruop knowing they were pro-life”
Jasper is a pro-terrorist.
Posted by: SoMG at March 17, 2008 9:13 PM***************** OMG, LOL!
Calling such a person a “vigilante” is the same as validating their actions. You frighten me, Jasper. You honestly do.
Posted by: Leah at March 17, 2008 9:07 PM—————— Leah, I think you are too easily frightened by the wrong type. I don’t ever hear you say anything bad about the abortion industry. Now the abortion industry seriously scares me!
How can they look at those pictures and then clap for him?????? How can they???? How???
How demented are these people???
Thanks for posting, Jill (and Peter on ProLifeBlogs).
As Jill noted, Tiller’s presentation of slide show featuring aborted fetuses was surprising.
I found the moderator’s announcement about “lunch today” shorly after Tiller’s show-and-tell equally revolting.
Is it just me or does anyone else find it creepy how these women talk about abortion in introducing Tiller as some sort of heroic act?
I just find it really sickening that they think of an abortionist as a hero. What has our morality come to when we think that abortion is a right every woman is entitled to?
yes. The PC women in support of Tiller are extremely creepy.
It reminds me of a cult.
Ick…just looking at him makes my skin crawl.
the video is no longer available… another youtube censorship??
yeah, I’m trying to view it too and it’s showing it’s “private” and you have to be send an invitation to view it or something?
What’s up with that?
“I’ll never understand how the NEA could possibly support aborting it’s future paychecks, but that’s an aside.”
Sometimes doing the right thing is more important than economic self interest.
And, as I’ve pointed out at least three times, legal abortion doesn’t significantly alter the number of babies a woman has, only delays the age at which she has them.
And, as I’ve pointed out at least three times, legal abortion doesn’t significantly alter the number of babies a woman has, only delays the age at which she has them.
Posted by: Hal at March 18, 2008 11:30 AM
Hal,
How bout all the women who have suffered infertility?
I knew a woman who wanted lots of children and couldn’t get pregnant. Her doctor told her it was due to her abortion she had as a teenager that left her unable to easily conceive.
She spent 9 years trying and thousands of dollars. She finally got pregnant and had one daughter. That’s it.
Sandy, I knew a woman who had 7 abortions. She had 1 daughter prior to all of those abortions. She’s also sterile. She had to have a hysterectomy d/t a damaged uterus that was beyond repair. Her gyn also told her that it was because of her 7 abortions.
And Hooves in Maw knew a woman who was sterile after 6 abortions. Hal, don’t you get it?
No, I don’t get it. I really don’t get it.
If someone is sterile after 6 or 7 abortions, I don’t really see that as a tragedy. I doubt there is a signifcant number of infertile women because of abortion. Some, perhaps. 45 million abortions, how many infertile women as a result? 1000? 5000?
How’d the video get aborted??
*shrugs* Well, if you really think that aborting baby after baby is a good idea, then I don’t know what to tell you. If they choose to be sterile, they ought to get a tubal ligation.
I got ahold of the people who put the video on youtube…here is what they told me:
“That version of the video was actually just a trial run, which was not supposed to be released yet. Unfortunately, it was posted in blogs, directing people to this rough version. I am working on finishing an improved version right now, which will have more legible text and hopefully better visual quality. Once it is finished, uploaded, and accompanied by the press release, you will be able to view and share the video again, as will the rest of the world. Thank you very much for your interest and patience as we work to get this story out there!”
So it will be back on youtube soon! This is good news!!
For the record, Shelley Shannon has never gone around shooting doctors for sport, and she did not kill tiller because she did not intend to.
She intended to incapacitate him so that he could not carry out the murders of little boys and girls he had scheduled for awhile.
It’s not a measure most right to lifers I know would advocate, but for you borties who cry “terrorist” because someone tried to intervene on behalf of helpless people scheduled to be brutally ripped to pieces, your perspective on Shannon’s actions would alter dramatically if you could put yourself for once in their position. Come on, it can’t be that difficult; you were there once, literally; especially if you were born after Roe v. Wade, when Tiller would have gladly slaughtered you (along with all the other gullible feminazis at this event) and laughed all the way to the bank with the bloodmoney.
deal with it, well put.
Deal, you wrote: “Shelley Shannon … did not kill tiller because she did not intend to. ”
She was convicted of ATTEMPTED MURDER.
Jasper, suppose a pro-choice person shot a right-to-lifer, which has never happened in the USA (yet). Would you call the shooter a “terrorist” or a “vigilante”?
I like the term “vigilante” in this case because the definiton of the word fits more closely then does the term “terrorist” which has a broader definition and does not take response to criminal acts into account as a vigilante act does.
It would be like calling a guy who went out and killed some guy that raped his cousin a terrorist. It doesn’t fit nearly as accurately as vigilante does.
SoMG showed the depth of their ignorance by saying:
“Jasper, suppose a pro-choice person shot a right-to-lifer, which has never happened in the USA (yet).”
YES IT HAS!
Abortionist Pravin Thakkar seduced and impregnated Bonnie Coffey-Myers. During a July 1987 medical examination, he forced medical instruments into her uterus. She suspected she was pregnant, but had not considered abortion. She jumped from the examining table and wouldn’t let him proceed due to the extreme pain. She later allowed him to complete the abortion which he had initiated without her knowledge or consent. He was convicted.
The abortionist also seduced and impregnated Kathy Collins. Later he aborted her preborn child without her consent and over her protests during an examination on January 9, 1988. She sued for emotional distress, assault and battery, and wrongful death of a fetus. He was convicted.
He also seduced and impregnated Carmen Hertzinger (also known as Carmen Singer). She was eight months pregnant when she went into a drug-induced sleep in Thakkar’s house in 1983. She briefly awoke to hear the muffled sound of a baby’s cry, and Thakkar told her the baby was still-born; she did not consent to terminate the pregnancy. Thakkar disposed of the viable baby, refusing to tell her what he had done with it, and threatened her life if she dared tell anyone of the incident. No death certificate was filed for the unborn child because the body had vanished. He was convicted.
Thakkar was also found guilty of numerous episodes of sexually inappropriate or criminal behavior. A patient having an IUD inserted requested the presence of nurse. He told her that the nurse was busy elsewhere. She felt Thakkar’s penis inserted into her vagina. She pulled away and found Thakkar with his erect penis exposed. Another patient said that he tried during an office visit to give her his home phone number, and requested that she call him at home. Later that day he came to her house asking to use her phone to answer a pager call. He wandered off in her house and she sought him and found him standing nude in her bedroom, at which point he raped her.
The abortionist left a medical residency program in Texas in 1981, after a patient complained that he made sexual remarks to women and was known as a doctor who would “conduct a pelvic exam for a head cold.”
He was indicted in 1989 of evading IRS reporting laws and reported a gross annual income of $500,000, according to news story.
His Indiana medical license was suspended by emergency order on February 23, 1989 because he was a “clear and immediate danger to the public health and safety,” and his license was revoked on allegations of having sex with numerous patients, including the three he was known to have impregnated and aborted. He was diagnosed by board-ordered evaluation as having Anti-Social Personality Disorder.
Thakker was also investigated by the Indiana Medical board for lewd and immoral conduct toward female patients under his care. On June 11, 1991, a jury found Thakker guilty of two counts of battery, two counts of illegal abortion and two counts of criminal recklessness. Thakker was sentenced on July 31, 1991 to prison in the Indiana Department of Corrections.
After being convicted of the three forced abortions, prosecutors feared that Thakkar would flee the country, having received a tip that Thakkar had applied for hospital jobs in Canada and Africa under an assumed name.
Thakkar was sentenced to 16 years in prison.
References: “Physician Indicted for Illegal Abortions.” Washington Times, November 3, 1989; Tyler Morning Telegraph, June 12 and 13, 1991; Associated Press, February 9, 1989; Ken Kusmer. “Abortions Cost Doctor 16 Years.” The Oregonian, August 1, 1991; and Frontline Updates. “Indiana Abortionist Gets 16-Year Prison Term.” National Right to Life News, August 13, 1991, page 12; The Indiana Health Profession Bureau Case #89 MLB 003.
If you want an example of an abortionist murdering or shooting a pro-lifer with a shotgun here is one such occurance.
Abortion History: Abortionist shoots dead patient in cover-up attempt
Tries to make abortion death look like suicide
Dr. Eva Shaver was involved in one of the most spectacular and bizarre abortion cases of the century.
Anna Johnson A young Chicago woman, Anna Johnson, was found dead with a bullet hole in her head on May 26, 1915, in Shaver’s home.
Shaver told police that she had hired Johnson as a maid, and that the girl had committed suicide. But investigators concluded that Anna had died after Shaver had botched an abortion on her. They tore up the floorboards in the house, searching for the remains of aborted babies.
Anna’s “sweetheart”, Marshall Hostetler, told the coroner that he had known Anna for a year, since they’d met at a dance hall. They’d planned to marry. When she discovered that she was pregnant, Hostetler had purchased abortifactient pills for her from Shaver’s son, Clarence. The fetus survived this chemical assault, so Hostetler arranged for Shaver to perform a surgical abortion.
Hostetler reportedly “sobbed” and “collapsed” at the inquest into Anna’s death. New coverage painted him has having been misled by Dr. Shaver and her son, though he had gone into hiding upon the girl’s death at one point been a suspect.
Shaver was tried for Johnson’s death and the abortion death of another patient, Lillie Giovenco, in 1914.
Interestingly enough, Anna Johnson’s death sparked a crackdown on midwife-abortionists rather than physician-abortionists, even though the corner’s records showed both professions to be responsible for a roughly equal number of deaths in Chicago during that era. Part of this, Leslie Reagan believed, was due to the public perception that female practitioners were all midwives, and part was due to the political clout that physicians had but midwives lacked.
Zeke, there’s nothing in your story about Thakkar SHOOTING anyone.
Not sure if this vile pro-abort used a shotgun or not, but she murdered the pro-lifer with a gun.
Well-known pro-abortion activist Eileen Orstein Janezic murdered pro-life activist minister and radio talk show host Jerry Simon by shooting him through his living room window “to prove her love for Satan.”
Vocal pro-abortionist Marc Eason, son of abortionist Betty Eason, was sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility of parole for the ax-murders of his roommates.
California abortionist Bruce Steir butchered Sharon Hamptlon and then just allowed her to die.
I have provided ample evidence to show that SoMG is an uninformed fool.
Do you now admit that there has been at least one occurance of a pro-abort murdering a pro-lifer using a gun to shoot them?
Nor is there any reason to believe that the person Eva Shaver shot was a right-to-lifer.
I still say: The pro-choice side, unlike the right-to-life industry, has never murdered anyone. Yet.
The security costs of active right-to-lifers like Jill Stanek should not be any less than Dr. Tiller’s security costs.
Unlike Doctor Defense, I would not celebrate if a pro-choice activist shot a public right-to-lifer like Jill. For one thing it would be a bad tactic that would provoke a backlash.
But Jill, you should be more grateful not to be under a death threat than you are. You should thank the pro-choice movement for not calling for your death as the right-to-lifers have called for Dr. Tiller to be killed. Every day that goes by without Jill getting death threats is evidence that pro-choicers are better people than right-to-lifers.
Zeke, malpractice is not murder.
And Eileen Orstein Janezic was a looney, not a terrorist.
Eileen Orstein Janezic was a WELL KNOWN PRO-ABORT!
There’s no speculation here!
Your unwillingness to admit that you are wrong shows that you are far from a grown-up mindset where you would admit that you are wrong once shown the evidence.
Jill and I and others will hold on to your denial here in this blog for future reference and most of us will never again engage you in any discussion because even when you are given hard core proof that you are wrong you will not admit it.
Suit yourself.
If I said a pro-lifer who shot an abortionist was a “looney” and not a terrorist what would you say?
You’re such a fool SoMG.
Zeke you wrote : “Well-known pro-abortion activist Eileen Orstein Janezic murdered pro-life activist minister and radio talk show host Jerry Simon by shooting him through his living room window “to prove her love for Satan.”‘
Wanting to “prove her love for Satan” is not the same as doing it for the pro-choice cause the way Paul Hill killed for fetal life.
Here is the embed code for this video that has apparently been removed from the previous address when Jill embedded it earlier today.
Whoops! Embed code did not show up like I thought it would. Here’s the link to the video anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/v/wpr_sN04j_0&autoplay=1
You continue to show just how deep your ignorance goes SoMG.
Paul Hill was a pastor and had a great love and devotion to Jesus Christ and has said in clear terms that he did what he did in obedience to what he believes Jesus Christ wanted from him. He said the following:
“During the Nightline broadcast, I defended the shooting on the basis of the Sixth Commandment (which not only forbids murder, but also requires the means necessary to prevent murder). It is not enough to refrain from committing murder; innocent people must also be protected.”
Read his testimony concerning his decision to shoot a vile abortionist dead here and see for yourself.
http://www.armyofgod.com/PHill_ShortShot.html
BOTTOM LINE: Your claim that “” is entirely false thanks to Eileen Orstein Janezic’s murder of a pro-lifer using a gun. You said NOTHING about motivation in your claim and you can’t just go and add on to your original claim later once you have been shown that you are wrong.
YOUR CLAIM – “suppose a pro-choice person shot a right-to-lifer, which has never happened in the USA (yet).”
Zeke, you wrote “If I said a pro-lifer who shot an abortionist was a “looney” and not a terrorist what would you say?”
I am open to the idea, particularly in the case of Jon Salvi, who later killed himself in prison.
But Paul Hill was not a looney. Neither was Michael Griffin, or John Burt, or Kopp.
Some of them are on the line, like Ken Scott. Looney or terrorist? Hard to tell.
“I’ll never understand how the NEA could possibly support aborting it’s future paychecks, but that’s an aside.”
Sometimes doing the right thing is more important than economic self interest.
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Oh my goodness, the day the NEA does ANYTHING that’s right, I’ll be amazed! :D They are most definitely interested in economic self-interest, and many other things that the American public would likely be mortified to know.
Also, this guy Tiller puts up these few pictures of deformed babies to make his case and paint himself as the “hero?” Sick, truly SICK.
And I wonder how many “perfect” babies has this man aborted to save the “health” of the mother (define “health” however the heck you want, because it basically means for ANY reason). Oh yes, George Tiller is sooo the MARTYR. Give me a huge break, please.
At least he survived this vigilante/terrorist/whateveryouwanttocallher ‘s assassination attempt. That’s more than we can say for Dr. Tiller’s victims.
Some of them are on the line, like Ken Scott. Looney or terrorist? Hard to tell.
Posted by: SoMG at March 18, 2008 10:00 PM********************** And how do you rate yourself? I’d say both.
Well, I’ve never been committed, unlike Ken Scott.
SoMG said:
“Well, I’ve never been committed, unlike Ken Scott.”
HA! His being committed was laughable. I have met Ken Scott and know him and he is anything but mentally unstable. He is one of the most solid minded men I have ever met.
That was a PURE political maneuver by pro-aborts who had him thrown into a mental institution for no good reason whatsoever. The facts are very clear on this. This is the same government that got rid of a menacing charge on a woman who used her car to drive into a crowd of pro-lifers almost hitting a baby stroller. The sherriff just said “Oh, she tried to run over pro-lifers. Nevermind then.”
Putting people in mental institutions is what they did in Russia to their enemies – they put them in a mental institution for a time and used that to discredit them later.
If you had any grasp of history you would understand that this kind of tactic has been used in the past.
And unlike yourself, SoMG, Ken Scott will change his mind and admit that he was wrong when presented with evidence that shows that he is.
So, you are still far beneath Ken when it comes to intellectual honesty. I remind you once again. You said:
“suppose a pro-choice person shot a right-to-lifer, which has never happened in the USA (yet).”
and I presented evidence that shows what you said is 100% wrong
Well-known pro-abortion activist Eileen Orstein Janezic murdered pro-life activist minister and radio talk show host Jerry Simon by shooting him through his living room window “to prove her love for Satan.”
Ken Scott was committed because he was a danger to himself, a danger to others, and severely mentally disabled. Read the following: http://www.westword.com/1997-02-13/news/the-fight-of-their-lives/
SoMG,
So if a pro lifer goes off the deep end, he’s perfectly sane. Just evil.
But if a pro choicer does the same, he is mentally unstable, and in no way responsible for his actions?
okaaaaaaaayyyy…that makes sense. Not even a little biased…
Wow, Zeke…GREAT POSTS!!!
Well, I’ve never been committed, unlike Ken Scott.
Posted by: SoMG at March 18, 2008 11:24 PM—————- You’re about due.
zeke, thanks for digging that up! I never knew.
How can they applaud such vile things? Why do they delight in such evil?
Romans 1:28-32
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not fitting,
29being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity. They are whisperers,
30backbiters, haters of God, spiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affections, implacable, unmerciful.
32And knowing the judgment of God, that those who commit such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but have pleasure in those who do them.
What a horrible thing this is. There is a God and you all are not making him happy. We all answer to God one day, and we all have to answer to our sins, God be with you. You need him more then ever. I will pray for all of you. Mike
O’Reilly to cover Pfleger and Tiller tonight
I wrote on March 5 about Fr. Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina’s Catholic Church in Chicago. Pfleger has donated to Barack Obama and invited both Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton to speak from his pulpit. On March 30 Michelle Malkin…
I’m sure it’s not true! If it was, nothing lake that would have been posted! It sounds so weird! I doubt that anyone would ever believe it!
Looks perfectly straight to me. Of course, I’m also the type of person who allegedly [ahem! allegedly] agree with everything.
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New and improved Tiller video
Students for Life of America has enhanced the video taken of late-term abortionist George Tiller at a pro-abort conference held at the National Education Association headquarters in DC 10 days ago. I originally posted on this March 17. SFL has…