MTV abortion special: Sad, skewed, and funded by… ?
The surprising, enduring problem abortion proponents have is people simply don’t like it.
Ideologues thought legalizing abortion would settle it. But over 37 years after abortion was made legal in the U.S., abortion matriarch Frances Kissling made a striking admission earlier this year:
I am driven by the changes I have seen in the way the American people think about abortion. I believe there is a much stronger sentiment against abortion [than] at any time in the last 50 years.
In fact, the opposite should be true. Legalizing abortion should have garnered it public acceptance, even if gradual. Kissling added:
The pressure and demands of day to day movement leadership in traditional forms have made it extremely difficult for new thinking, not just new strategies to emerge.
But they keep trying. They must keep trying. They know the Roe v. Wade decision will eventually be overturned unless they get the public to embrace it. Otherwise the opposition, aided even by ambivalence, will win.
Hence the December 28 MTV special, No Easy Decision. If you haven’t watched it, you can and should.
Before getting to the content, I begin with a call for MTV to come clean. Was there an underwriter? As Bryan Kemper noted:
One very telling feature of the show was that it played without commercial interruption; this is not normal for MTV. This show was obviously funded by some one or some organization with an agenda….
In the interest of full disclosure and honest journalism, particularly since this show was cast as “reality” programming, MTV should tell the public how it was paid for.
Was it simply that no advertiser would touch this show with a 10-ft pole, but MTV felt compelled to underwrite and air it anyway due to mounting pro-abort pressure against its 2 successful (i.e., lucrative) life-affirming reality shows about unplanned pregnancy?
Or did abortion proponent(s) provide covert funding? As I wrote previously, there was acknowledged collusion with the abortion industry in advance. But how far did it go? Was there a reason, for instance, that of all the condoms in the world, those MTV offered to James happened to be marketed by Planned Parenthood? Did PP pay for that subliminal advertisement?
On a related note, does anybody really believe Markai’s call to the abortion clinic was unstaged (starting at 5:06 on the video)? What was that about reality? MTV needs to come clean on that one, too. Reality – and fairness – would have had Markai pick an abortion clinic out of the phone book, along with a crisis pregnancy center, and air both calls.
The syrupy sweet abortion phone counselor was only 1 example of MTV’s vastly skewed “reality” abortion infomercial called No Easy Decision, which, of course, pro-aborts loved. Gushed Lynn Harris at Salon:
But this member of the latter camp is relieved, delighted – and still amazed – to report that MTV got it right. Seriously, they nailed it. And by “nailed it,” I don’t mean they just did a great PSA for abortion. I mean they told the many-sided truth: that abortion is safe and common, that abortion has been made difficult to get, and, most importantly, that abortion is a complex decision made by complex human beings. (That thump you heard around 11:35 p.m. EST was the sound of 100 feminist media critics falling off our collective couches.)
Oh, please. A feminist media critic who had done her homework would have been aware abortion ideologues knew the show was in the tank for them beforehand. Here were just a few of their pre-show promotweets (click to enlarge)…
But back to my original point, which is that people don’t like abortion. I could devote an entire post to sex therapist Drew Pinsky’s unfettered, inaccurate cheerleading for abortion throughout the show.
But there was no getting around how disturbed the post-abortive mothers were in its aftermath, despite their rhetoric.
I discussed No Easy Decision with a single young woman who also watched it. She is pro-life, but I was still surprised by her take. She said she had always focused on the fact that abortion was murder but never took the aborting mothers into account. “I just thought they had their abortions and got on with life,” she told me.
But when she saw the pain abortion leaves behind – how “you remember, you can’t forget,” as Markai said… how, despite Katie stating, “I didn’t have a lot of regret or negative feelings,” she admitted she has trouble being around her young nephew now – my friend said she was saddened for them and got a sick feeling in the pit of her stomach. “I never ever want to be in that situation,” she told me. That was her take-away.
Thus, although MTV and its backers tried their best to promote abortion as acceptable, common, and for the greater good, the reality of abortion and its aftermath still came through.
I seriously don’t know what pro-aborts saw in this special to love. No Easy Decision, in fact, denigrated both them and abortion. Two examples:
1. The contraceptive mentality fails: The contraception/abortion industry fails to adequately teach about about contraception and young girls are too immature and irresponsible to handle it properly anyway.
2. The abortion industry lies about fetal development before abortion; it utterly fails to provide informed consent.
Again, MTV should tell its viewers who funded this special and just how much collusion there was with the abortion industry in putting it together.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I thought it strange that even though it was touted to show “all sides” of the issue, there was no mention of Markai going to or seeking help from a CPC. Nothing.
And notice how her mom “supported” her, yet at the same time told her (paraphrasing): “You’re on your own.”
In other words, no one on camera convinced her or her piece of work boyfriend to keep the baby. It was like they didn’t want to be inconvenienced either. Or maybe that portion remained on the cutting room floor.
My suggestion to MTV is to put subtitles whenever someone garbles the english language like Markai’s boyfriend did. No offense, but it was hard to understand what he was saying.
When I sat down to watch this video, I had the sinking and horrible feeling we were the audience at a beheading in King Henry’s court, some of us praying and some of us cheering! It was evil and depressing to hear this so called Professional, Dr. Drew, pushing contraception on these young people stressing their ANIMAL instincts and never touching on the dignity of Abstinence. I felt sick when Marcai was in the Restaurant defending the dignity of her baby the best she could with the information (misinformation) she had… It was the most heartbreaking and horrible show I have ever watched. It left me feeling helpless!!
My prayer from now on is that Markai will realize the error in her decision and the coercion of her boyfriend, Dr. Drew and MTV and sue the HELL out of them, ALL of them!! Mother Mary, pray for us!
These girls who are post abortive are breaking my heart. How will PP help them now? Keep tellin them they did the right thing when their tears over their abortions tell the truth. They know the truth and all that they get is a pat on the head.
I pray they reach out for abortion recovery!!
Also, where are all of the young girls who have aborted and regret it and found healing? Keeping it real, right MTV?
Jill, please DO a post on Dr. Drew. As one medical professional criticizing another, it would provide valuable insight into how dangerous, uninformed, and lethal his advice (or lack thereof) truly is.
But there was no getting around how disturbed the post-abortive mothers were in its aftermath, despite their rhetoric.
No compassion shown by this male (I will not call him a doctor but really want to call him some other things) when these young ladies cried. Young men are seeing the lack of responsibility from males like him. No hugs when they cried nor tears in his eyes. How sickening to watch the obvious devastation of young women and an old adult male promoting more of what has devastated them in the first place as a choice.
No Easy Decision? Why didn’t the interviewer ask these young women how many mothers they have seen cry years after their decision to give birth because they choose life for their child?
I agree RosalindaL. Markai needs to find competent, aggressive prolife lawyers and sue big. I’m sure she was made to sign something but she was definitely under extreme duress. My heart and prayers go out to her and other young women pressured to abort.
The reality is that once again the abortion industry has taken advantage of young, naive women in attempts to make abortion seem like a logical choice.
The proaborts win on taking advantage of people over and over but once again fail with another twisted attempt to make killing humans seem like a logical choice.
Because the abortion industry is funded and lobbied by big whigs and very important players in Washington (some RINOS included like Barbara Bush and husband and country club Republicans) that will try to hurt you if you challenge them. It’s all one big cabal comprised of the Democrat party machine, the far left Marxist organizations, society ladies, high tech billionaires, old money philanthropic organizations, mainstream liberal Protestant churches like the National Council of Churches, Reformed Judaism, the mainstream Media, Hollywood, Playboy Enterprises, the porn industry, the Rockefellers, George Soros, Academia…they are all connected and involved because they all have a stake in control and shrinking the population and breaking down society to create their notion of how the world should be.
I bet Margret Sanger had a plethora of rich society patrons who funded her Planned Parenthood into acceptance. So accepted was PP that it became this quasi sacred semi governmental organization that even a US postage stamp was issued and Kennedy era American families sent donations to without question.
Yes, MTV is just part of that big cabal.
I would gather the monies came from many sources, but maybe channeled through PP, NARAL Pro-Choice America, and or the National Council of Churches.
“No compassion shown by this male (I will not call him a doctor but really want to call him some other things) when these young ladies cried. Young men are seeing the lack of responsibility from males like him. No hugs when they cried nor tears in his eyes.”
He’s a doctor–a professional–it’s not his job to offer a shoulder to cry on.
What I get from MTV’s abortion:
• Yes, abortion kills, but it’s a mercy killing
• Judges allow a child to get an abortion if the child is afraid she will make her parents “sad” (which is antithetical to the pro-abort’s argument of dangerous parents)
• when contemplating an abortion, cut to footage of a crying baby, because babies are burdens
• the reality of abortion is a title card that says “Two Hours Later”
• an informed decision means talking to an abortion counselor, but NOT an adoption counselor
Hi Joanie,
When I miscarried my doctor held me in his arms and cried with me. He kept saying over and over how sorry he was. So did his nurse.
It’s called compassion and I am very grateful for it. Rare? Indeed. They gave me the support and understanding that I needed when I needed it most.
Professional? Yeah I guess you’re right Joan. This guy is a professional just like the World Wrestling Entertainment professional wrestlers.
I think he should come up with an TV name like Doctor Fake the Snake, Stone Cold Doctor Drew, Baby Hater Undertaker or Macho Doc Savage.
How was Christmas Mass?
Joan, as others have noted, you are one cold woman. One of my clients cried when her newborn baby died of congenital heart disease. I hugged her and told her that I knew she was a good mom and according to her Muslim faith, the baby was in a better place. So I guess I’m a lousy social worker, huh? It’s called compassion. and it’s all about being HUMAN.
“It’s all one big cabal comprised of the Democrat party machine, the far left Marxist organizations, society ladies, high tech billionaires, old money philanthropic organizations, mainstream liberal Protestant churches like the National Council of Churches, Reformed Judaism, the mainstream Media, Hollywood, Playboy Enterprises, the porn industry, the Rockefellers, George Soros, Academia…they are all connected and involved because they all have a stake in control and shrinking the population and breaking down society to create their notion of how the world should be.”
Mar, you nailed it. Don’t forget that many of these people don’t want too many “undesirables” running around, either. Most of these high tech billionaires are very pro-abortion, including Mark Zuckerberg, who is also an atheist. I’m sure he gives some of his billions to PP and like-minded organizations. That’s why I’m very reluctant to use Facebook.
Jill – Lori Ziganto has an article on this show she wrote at Hot Air:
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/12/30/mtvs-teen-abortion-sales-pitch-its-just-a-ball-of-cells/
She’s claiming Exhale, a pro-choice group, underwrote the show.
I’m guessing US funds were probably channelled into this if you dig deep enough.
He’s a doctor–a professional–it’s not his job to offer a shoulder to cry on.
Joan,
Well, it’s been my experience that any doc who’s for life has more compassion in his or her little finger than one who does abortions. My OB/GYN’s method of “calming” me down when I lost a lot of blood giving birth was this: “You need to calm down you’re making it worse.” (And yes, I found out the OB/GYN does do abortions).
My family practioner (who used to also do births but had to give it up because of the high price of insurance and family obligations) always speaks VERY soothingly to me whenever I’m in an exam. She’s also hugged me on more than one occasion. Had me call her when there was a particular health issue and also wanted to be alerted when I was having my kid.
Doctors are in the business of HEALING. Healing isn’t for the cold hearted. I get it, they have to be professional, but it doesn’t mean they can’t be compassionate on SOME level.
I thought Exhale was suppose to counsel women that have had abortions not expose them to the world.
If Exhale underwrote the show and was behind the further exploitation of these young women, I hope the founders of Exhale will be named in a lawsuit: Aspen Baker, Susan Chorley, Carolina De Robertis, Anna Goldstein and Laura Perez.
I watch 16 & pregnant. I admit it. Some things to know. Dr. Drew is not a medical doctor. He is a therapist. Secondly, he is openly pro-abortion. He lies constantly. He chided the teens to be on the pill and when one teen mom (whitney, I believe) said she is pro-life and doesn’t want to be on the pill because she heard it can cause an abortion Dr. Drew condescendingly chastised her and said it doesn’t. Thats a lie cause it does.
Secondly, Markai’s mother is pro-abortion. In Markai’s episode when she was carrying her first child, the mother remarked how she had wanted her to abort. When I watched the baby being born I and the grandmother so excited all I could think of was that very woman had wanted that baby dead in a PP dumpster!
Last thought is seeing those photos of Markai and Katie crying over their dead children was like getting stabbed in the heart. How heartbreaking. They can never get their children back. They can never take it back and all the tears in the world can’t undo the deaths of their precious babies. Sad. Sad. Sad.
So close, Joan, almost worth a dollar!
I used to listen to Dr. Drew on the radio. While I respected him when he talked about the devastating effects of childhood sexual abuse, he fails in his pro-abortion views. On one hand, he believes sexually abusing minors is bad, on the other hand, he believes it’s good to abort their babies. I’m adding him to my prayer list.
Thanks, Jill, for your great journalistic work! It’s really invaluable. Thank you for what you do. God Bless!
I’m confused. Jill said she wanted it realistic, then went on to say that the “fair” thing to do would have been to call a CPC and a clinic. How would that have been realistic if that’s not what Markai did?
It’s disheartening to see Jill complain about secrets and lies when she has no proof of either- just her own hunch.
I’m confused.
Tell us something we don’t already know KM.
@KushielsMoon Trust me, you’re not the only one confused. The paranoid conspiracy theories in this post are mind-boggling.
I’m seriously confused by how ONE episode about abortion of the mulititude of episodes of 16&P where it was never even mentioned as an option is some kind of vast conspiracy and horrible betrayal of “fairness” to anti-choicers. You’re all yelling “NO FAIR!” but I don’t get it…the reality is that 1 in 3 women will have an abortion in her lifetime, so how is it not “realistic” to air an episode about young women who have gone through it?
And for that matter, how is it not “realistic” that Markai didn’t call a CPC to schedule an abortion? Unless things have changed radically I doubt many CPCs are performing abortions. Markai is a smart, informed young women who obviously knows that calling a CPC means dealing with harassment, intimidation, and manipulation.
If you plan on arguing that CPCs aren’t any of those things please consider for a moment what *ALL* CPCs’ goals are: to prevent women from making a choice that the CPC doesn’t like. Abortion clinics aren’t in the business of talking women out of the children they want, but the whole purpose of a CPC existing is to talk women INTO having the children they don’t want. You can all scream and yell about abortion providers being evil and self-serving all you want, but CPCs are the very definition of self-serving because they exist SOLELY to fulfill their own agenda. When is the last time a CPC referred a woman to an abortion provider after she carefully considered her options and chose not to continue her pregnancy? Planned Parenthood, the organization you all love to hate, gives women information about early pre-natal care and helps them get insurance and find a pre-natal care provider if they show even the vaguest interest in carrying the pregnancy.
And not for nothing, but you don’t see me or my like-minded pro-choice sisters standing outside CPCs yelling at the patients going in about how they should have abortions, so it’s interesting that the anti-choice movement’s first line of attack is standing outside women’s healthcare providers and harassing their patients.
It must be exhausting to be spend your life telling others how to live theirs.
Hey Praxedes, the first “DO” above the comment section is “Criticize ideas, not people.”
How is it that you interpret that as an invitation to insult KM’s intelligence and not acknowledge her argument in the slightest?
It would appear that you’re the one confused about how this site works.
Ok, I know that everyone already knows this and no one believes the PP rhetoric (not even them), but just for arguements sake, I’m going to say it:
ABORTION IS KILLING A HUMAN BEING!! THAT is why we get so uptight when we see a woman being lied to on national tv about the NONE risks and the CELLS that are being removed.
Amy, I realize you’re a PP troll, but the Truth is the Truth no matter how you twist and turn it and until abortion has ended and the innocent are no longer a target – WE WILL NOT STOP!!
What blows my mind is this concept: Markai says, “If I have the baby, I’ll always think ‘what if?'”… Any parents out there to support this assertion? My two boys definitely made college and other plans more difficult, but I can’t imagine wondering with any degree of longing whatsoever about aborting them… It seems so horrific!
Sorry Amy. You are right. My last post should have read:
I’m confused.
I agree with you KM.
Kushie, Amy: Here’s what Markai’s friend Chambray said by way of the set up: “I’m not telling you don’t get it; I’m, you know, I’m g- support you regardless, but if there’s a lot of stuff we don’t know about it. If you want to like call somebody or something, we can do that.”
Given that, the last place I thought they would call for an objective conversation about abortion would be the abortion business making money off of selling her the abortion.
And are you really here to say that conversation was spontaneous?
Beyond that, you have no question mark in your mind as to who funded the show, given that it was commercial-free? The Planned Parenthood condoms don’t seem strange to you? Is that the first brand you’d think of? Doesn’t MTV usually run Trojan ads?
Everyone is telling her that she has to feel good about this decision. Poor Markai. She says things about how she wants girls to know that they aren’t alone. Who gave her that reassurance? Who was there for her? James told her he couldn’t handle another child. Her mother told her she was basically on her own. No one offered pregnancy help or post-pregnancy help. Dr. Drew repeatedly implied that the only right decision in her circumstance was abortion. No one bothered to encourage her to research help for the pregnancy, or the information on adoption. What resources there are in so many ways, etc etc etc. I predict that within a decade she will be a voice for the pro-life cause. I believe that if she is only exposed to the positive message that “You can do it!” Then she will find herself engulfed in the joyous message of LIFE.
Jill, the fact that it was commercial-free could mean that they wanted to air the show without interruptions. Why do you feel so strongly that someone MUST HAVE “funded” it? You don’t think MTV has the money on their own to make a 30 minute show in the same nature as the reality shows they already make? And even assuming that they needed funding to make and air the show, don’t you think any organization funding it would have wanted some kind of acknowledgement and credit, either in the form of commercials or in at least a verbal confirmation of sponsorship? Why would any organization seeking to fund a show about abortion not want to be recognized? How would it be in Planned Parenthood’s, or NARAL’s, or NAF’s, or NOW’s best interest to keep it a secret if they had anything to do with the show? It’s no secret that these organizations support and/or provide abortions, so what would the logic be in hiding it?
And to re-iterate what I said before in regards to Markai’s call to an abortion-providing clinic, the last place *I* would call for information about abortion would be a place that existed solely TO TALK ME OUT OF IT. Like I clearly said, I don’t think Planned Parenthood is in the business of talking people out of having children, but the CPCs you’re so fond of exist for the purpose of convincing people to NOT have abortions.
Your argument is akin to saying that if someone wanted to learn about the kama sutra the best place to call for information would be a nunnery.
@RosalindaL, anyone here who thinks differently than you is a “troll”, eh? You’re quick with the name-calling and pretty negligent as far as actually responding to any points I’ve made. I’ll be sure to ignore you here from now on, because it’s clear you have *nothing* to add to the discussions.
Amy,
What other options did Markai actually research? Honestly? She seemed awfully prepared for her conversation with PP, but she didn’t call an adoption organization. She didn’t call a CPC for information about what services they could provide to a pregnant woman/new mother. She didn’t even ASK PP about their other prenatal options (I’ve done that by the way, because I was foolish enough once upon a time to believe they cared).
What exactly indicated that it WASN’T funded by proaborts?
Also, it’s obvious why PP or NARAL or NOW wouldn’t want their names associated with the program. Because their obvious bias takes credibility away from the argument that the episode was “balanced”
Although to be honest, I think in their attempt to make everything abortion-related “hunky-dory”, they made themselves look rather calloused. The image that comes to mind is Dr. Drew sticking his fingers in his ears and going, “Nahnahnah I can’t hear you abortion is good nahnahnah lots of women do it so it’s good nahnahnah” ;)
Mary Rose, she didn’t call an adoption organization because she didn’t want help with adoption. She called an abortion provider to find out about their services because she WANTED. AN. ABORTION. How is this not making sense?!
Markai considered the circumstances of her situation, decided that she didn’t want to have another child, and made a call to get more information about what ending the pregnancy would entail. That doesn’t look like a conspiracy to me, it looks like what any level-headed woman in limbo about an unplanned pregnancy would do if she decided not to continue the pregnancy.
The argument being pushed on this post could logically apply to CPCs and pre-natal care providers as well to prove my point; do you think that in the name of “fairness” and “research” all pregnant women should call an abortion clinic to learn about abortion before choosing to have a child?
I live in West Chester PA. Where MTV’s jackass is filmed and Viva La Bam and all that. I have seen “reality” tv filmed. Let me tell you , although they do ad lib and reactions may be genuine, a lot of scenes are set up “Here, sit here and then maybe you can suggest if you do this”. I am sure MTV producers told Markai “We want a scene of you sitting and contemplating your choices. You should have a friend present. You should call an abortion clinic and ask these questions.” So she does that. Her reaction may very well be genuine but I know that the clinic probably knew they were calling, that the receptionist would be recorded and I am sure MTV told Markai which clinic to call.
Anyone who has ever watched “reality” tv filming knows I’m right.
Sydney,
Right you are. And don’t forget these reality shows are not only often scripted, they’re usually heavily edited as well. Whats to say she didn’t call a CPC too and they just edited it out?
(I can’t really say more because I didn’t see the show; but it sounds horribly depressing).
The argument being pushed on this post could logically apply to CPCs and pre-natal care providers as well to prove my point; do you think that in the name of “fairness” and “research” all pregnant women should call an abortion clinic to learn about abortion before choosing to have a child?
Amy,
I’ve been pregnant and I have researched pregnancy, adoption and abortion. Here’s how:
I’ve been on the PP website and read what they said about abortions. While they provide the legally required information, they downplay the side effects. I’ve been on WebMD which isn’t exactly known for being the most pro-life site in the world and read up on what they say about abortions. Pretty much some of the same information. I’ve read what nurses and doctors write/say about abortion, too. Sometimes there’s more information (and more accurate) with a doc or a nurse’s work than what PP and WebMD provided (which makes sense).
I also know people who have had abortions. I’ve seen first hand the pain abortion can cause. It is NOT pretty.
I’ve been pregnant. I’ve been afraid while pregnant about giving birth and being pregnant. I lost A LOT of blood giving birth–but I GOT THROUGH IT.
Markai said something VERY telling. She said “I know God wouldn’t give me anything I couldn’t handle.” She obviously knew at one point that she was pregnant for more than just a biological/scientific reason. But that was the last you hear of that faith in the episode.
On adoption:
I know many people who are adopted. Some of them have chosen to get in contact with their birth parents. I’m even friends with a friend of mine’s birth mother who is a very nice lady (and you can see the family resemblence between her and my friend, it’s uncanny).
I have relatives who are adopted and I have siblings who are adopted.
My family worked closely with an adoption agency for a number of years. We’d have unwed mothers come and stay with us during their pregnancy. They’d meet with their case worker who would take them to doctor’s appointments and help them chose a family for their baby. Many of these women thanked my parents (my mother in particular) for opening their home and hearts to them. A lot of these women would sit and talk with my mom and ask her advice. They’d even make friends with my sisters and me. Sometimes they’d read to my younger brother when we were growing up. All they needed was a chance to prove they could be giving and loving people. Most of them, when given this chance blossomed. We won’t know the happy endings if we don’t give the happy endings a chance to happen. I know the realities are not every ending is happy, but like I said, without that chance–without being open to the possible that it CAN happen it won’t.
When I was pregnant I bought a book by a doctor about the different stages of pregnancy and the development of the baby. It’s really fascinating stuff and I can guarentee that the pre-born being isn’t just a “clump of cells”. A LOT is going on in there and I FELT it and EXPERIENCED it…that’s how I know what it’s like. Every pregnancy is different, and some are easier than others, but that being inside the womb is most definitely a living human being, who’s growing, developing and even learning. (Some of them learn to suck their thumb in uteral).
Like I’ve said…I’ve researched and seen all 3 situations. I know the consequences of all of them. I also know I haven’t heard too many happy stories about abortion but A LOT of happy ones of birth and adoption.
I watched this whole episode last night with my husband, and was amazed that even though this is definitely made in an attempt to normalize abortion, how much it was unable to keep from letting the truth come out, over and over.
First of all , they started off with the joys of Markai’s choice to have her first baby, despite the odds. They showed her joys of caring for her, loving her, and her obvious “no regrets” about making that choice, and how she overcame the odds and was a better person because of her baby. Did anyone see her crying over her decision to have a baby? Feeling sad over the decision? Asking “what if I had aborted” that baby? I didn’t. She was joyful and thankful for her baby girl.
Then, after sharing that positive story about the baby girl, amazingly,she sees her second pregnancy as an “oh no! What a horrible thing to happen!” moment. While looking into her daughters eyes, knowing how wonderful pregnancy can turn out, she contemplates abortion.
But I noticed that Markai was desperately trying to find someone to encourage her that she could do it. No one stepped up and did this. She mentioned how she had beat the odds with her baby girl and she could do it again. Her mother was no support. Neither was dreadlocks guy. She searched out support but found none.
When she called the abortion clinic asking for help, why was she crying, if abortion is just a procedure that removes unviable tissue from the body?
When she was eating out with dreadlocks, I notice he was completely oblivious and uncaring towards her pain. Their relationship will not survive. I was surprised MTV allowed their conversation on the show, because it clearly showed how traumatic the decision of abortion truly is to the woman who does it. Markai’s life is ruined. She will never be the same because of this choice she has made.
it is my hope that she will one day speak out on the behalf of other babies who are doomed to the same fate.
Dr Drew was devoid of emotion of empathy, and never seemed to wonder or care “why” all of these women were crying so hard, if they truly believed what they did was the “right choice”. When you believe you did the right thing, you never cry like that. You don’t remember the anniversary of the date that you removed cells from your body.
The girl on the left of the couch amazed me. She was trying to explain that she was not dumb, that she knew it was a baby, yet she made a “parenting choice” by killing her baby. She was literally admitting she was a cold blooded killer. Amazing.
I thought this show revealed a lot of pro-life truths. No matter how the pro-abortionists try to portray abortion, it remains a devastating choice which never turns out making anyone happy.
Great points Bethany and so true. I just had the thought why did all my friends remember the dates of their abortions? I had my wisdom teeth out. I THINK it was 1998 or 1999. I can’t even recall. Def don’t remember the date. And I don’t mourn every year for the teeth I chose to remove.
If abortion does not kill a baby then why are these women mourning like it does? Despite all the rhetoric women who are pregnant know its a human life they’re carrying. When you’re pregnant you can feel something powerful is happening. I know I did.
Are those tears of joy? Relief? Happiness?
Hardly.
Your right Sidney. I’ve had my wisdom teeth, my tonsils, several warts and two polyps removed. I don’t remember even the months that I lost these clumps of cells.
I do however remember the exact days I gave birth to my children and miscarried their sibling.
Amy and praxedes –
Try doing some research on poeple who have come out of the abortion industry and then come back and with a straight face post that abortion clinics don’t talk women out of having babies that they really do want. Try reading “Blood Money” by a former mill operator. Talk to Abbey Johnson who left PP. These places exist to make an exhorbitant amount of money on death, pain, and suffering. Even a rabid pro-chr would have to acknowledge this: the woman’s offspring dies, there is pain, and many many times emotional or physcal suffering quite unlike the kind you see in a labor and delivery room. To defend these clinics as some sort of neutral medical assistance is just foolish.
Yeah, CPCs do advocate for women to reconsider abortion; but, having counseled in a very lovely CPC for years, I have NEVER heard a counselor talk a woman “out an abortion”, or show her graphic pictures or videos without persmission (and then, even rarely do they). CPCs don’t exist so much to “talk a woman out of abortion” – because as the MTV episode so clearly shows, few women WANT an abortion. They naturally have doubts, they naturally want to be supported in their pregnant state even if they don’t want to be pregnant. And CPCs offer women support regardless of their final choice.
That is not an oxymoron; I know because I have been there. I did not plan to get pregnant with our last baby; though married, I was already upset, overwhelmed, underweight, and the father less than supportive. But the support I received and continue to receive has made all the difference in the world. And clearly, Markai was looking for that support. That she didn’t get it – and that any pro-choicer is enthusiastic about her decision in the face of lack of birth support and corrrect fetal development info – is tragic. Shame shame shame on all those spewing the lies that this is reality; that Markai got ”freedom of choice”.
And I really wonder, why don’t p-chcrs insist that these “unbiased” “reality” shows or blogs about women getting abortions SHOW aborted fetuses? Isn’t that one of the facets of the reality of abortion?
That they won’t show that clearly unscores cowardly deceit.
Call me crazy, I even remember the day I found out I was carrying my male ball of cells! February 24, 2006 and even the TIME the doctor called and said “You’re pregnant!” 7 a.m. And my son truly WAS a ball of cells at that point as I was only 11 days pregnant! But he was still a human being even if he didn’t have fingers and toes yet. And I’ll never forget that date. Every year its a silent happy anniversary that I mark…the day I found out I was a mother.
As Markai watches her daughter Zakaria grow, she is going to always think of that other child that should be right there with her sister, laughing, playing…and is not. Tragic.
few women WANT an abortion. They naturally have doubts, they naturally want to be supported in their pregnant state even if they don’t want to be pregnant.
Amen, luckymamma!!
How is it choice when one feels like they have no choice and are not supported in any other choice BUT abortion??
Abortion clinics only offer one choice.
Luckymama,
Well, first of all, some of them (the pro-aborts/pro-choicers) say the pictures of aborted fetuses are fake (I don’t know how that’s possible) so how could they show “fake” pictures? And even if some of them do believe they’re real, so many of those babies are aborted around 5 or 6 weeks, so it’s obvious said pre-born baby is a baby. (In the video Markai says the counselor told her “not to think of ‘it’ has having ten fingers and toes.”). Markai repeats the rhetoric: “pregnancy tissue” (Which makes no sense to me as a mother and a pro-lifer).
Secondly, abortion IS a big business. Drew asked one of the ladies how much her abortion cost, she said $750 (when she was 17). If there were 5 abortions in that day (probably more than that) at just that clinic that means they pulled in $2250 in ONE day. Times that by 5 days for a work week and you come out with $11,250. Now take that $11,250 and timees it by 4 (which is roughly how many weeks in a month) and you get $45,000 (just for the month) there’s 12 months in a year (not including holidays) So if they took off say the 4th of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Christmas, New Year’s, Thanksgiving you’d get about 6 days off plus say about a week long summer vacation–and round it from 13 to 14 (about 2 weeks).
So you take $45,000 x 12 (for 12 months in a year) = $540,000 for 12 months
Subtract $22,500 for a roughly 2 weeks taken out for vacation and holidays: $517,500
Granted generally people take more time off in a year, however, that’s a rough amount of what they could pull in with just charging $750 per abortion. That’s A LOT of money.
Abortion is a big business–it makes a lot of money for the people who do them. There’s been doctors who left the abortion business who ADMIT to taking a significant pay cut. Why would they want to do ANYTHING (whether they agreed or disagreed with what is true) to jeporadize that money coming in?
Amy, it’s interesting that you took offense to the word TROLL. The definition of a troll in internet lingo is someone who looks through and participates in forums that are contrary to their own beliefs and ideals to envoke thought or conflict. I wasn’t calling you names, i was merely defining your position and going by your comments and responses, I believe that the definition fits. Take it however you want, but stop playing the victim as you are far from that…
Murder is never a choice. The fact that murdering the innocent is legal, does not make it an option nor is it right. WE have been indoctrinated by these rediculous shows and the rhetoric from the “intellectuals” into thinking that murder is a choice and should be accepted. Everyone knows what makes a baby. Everyone knows how to avoid the situation. THAT is where our options lay. Once that unique individual is created because of the choice you made, your options have become limited. If you choose to murder that individual, it’s not because you didn’t have options. It’s because you chose the wrong option to begin with… (*rape, same concept, the child has no fault and still has the right to live in the .1% of the times he is created through this situation)…. Abortion = Murder in all cases!
My local CPC’s would like to thank Amy for $3 worth of diapers bringing our total up to $5 so far.
The anniversary of mine is looming close. I attended a 22 year old’s birthday party recently and thought, wow, that could be my kid. My kid could be eating a salad and drinking a root beer. But why not? I am no longer friends with any of the people who suggested or supported the abortion. And the woman who drove me? Not friends with her either. What the hell can you reminisce about? Hey remember that time you drove me to the building where they killed my baby for money?!
So sorry Ninek. Hugs. Thank you for being a champion for life!
Amy,
Seemed to me like Markai was looking to anyone and everyone in her immediate circle to say, “You can do this” about having a baby. It seemed to me that she desperately wanted to keep the baby but believed what everyone else was telling her: that it would be selfish, wrong, and impossible for her to try to raise *gasp* two children!
This young woman was fed the “can’t” attitude so heavily that it became a part of her personal mantra. I hope that someone comes to her and reveals to her how capable she has already proven herself and how much she can certainly accomplish!
I figured that Dr. Drew was a pro abort. He doesn’t know squat about running a rehab either. Since when do the patients {TV show or not} get to RUN the rehab? The guy is a quack. I wonder how many people relapse in his program. Probably around 90%! He plays favorites. Especially to Janice Dickenson at present, the former model. She was sooooooo outta control, yet he said little to nothing to her. All he did was kiss her backside. Yet he was quick to yell at everyone else. I’d pick another rehab!
Meanwhile Dr D played dumb about not noticing Janice’s abuse on Rachel Uchatel. The poor girl left cuz Janice ran her off. I wouldn’t want to room with a psycho either!! I used to think Dr D was okay. He’s just in it for the money and fame. He has o reason to give advice about abortion or pregnancy!!!!! NONE!
One more thing…..Both Heidi Fleiss and Janice Dickenson have had more than 1 abortion. Maybe Dr D ought to figure out that this is why both women decided to turn to drugs and alcohol. They both have deep rooted pain from abortion. I recall both of them saying they were both feeling so lonesome. Indeed abortion could be a good reason for that, but Dr Drew won’t help them through that pain.
……..couldn’t help but notice Fliess did not return to the show as a sober guest. Her post abortion pain wasn’t addressed.
@ joan…..No Dr Drew didn’t need to fall on the floor in a heap of tears, but he could have rubbed her shoulder or given a hug. I’ve had a doc or 2 grab my hand and rub it to show compassion. As a “doctor” that’s the least he could have done. Even Dennis Rodman called him a fake and another patient remarked “I’ve been to 6 rehabs and none of them were like this.” It was Not meant in a good way either. Dr D lets poor Shelly and Bob run the place, and when they lose control, he is out surfing or something.Notice he is never really around.
(RosalindaL): The definition of a troll in internet lingo is someone who looks through and participates in forums that are contrary to their own beliefs and ideals to envoke thought or conflict.
That’s really only slightly correct. I presume you meant “invoke thought,” and in no way does that make for a troll. Nor does participating in forums that are contrary to their own beliefs. If you mean be trying for gratuitous conflicts or merely provoking emotional responses, then yes.
“What other options did Markai actually research? Honestly? She seemed awfully prepared for her conversation with PP, but she didn’t call an adoption organization. She didn’t call a CPC for information about what services they could provide to a pregnant woman/new mother.”
MaryRose, these actions would only make sense in, say, 1985 — that is, for people who don’t have access to the internet. See, we are on the internet now! I know everything I need to know about CPCs from reading this website and others like it! Why on earth would I call a CPC when what I want is an abortion?
The Internet(tm) — ladies can type stuff into it and make decisions without you!
Did you all watch the show?
First, Markai approached MTV about showing her abortion. It was her idea, not MTV’s.
Second, the tears over Markai’s first baby is shown in her 16 & Pregnant episode. Why rehash how she feels about her first baby during an episode that isn’t centered around her first baby but about Markai and her family collectively?
Third, the grandmother didn’t say “You’re on your own” as if she was heartless. She said ” I can’t make this decision for you. You are on your own” as in “Markai, this is your body, your family, your choice to make. I can’t tell you what to do.”
Fourth, while Markai’s boyfriend did point out that they can’t afford two children, Markai was the one who first brought up this point at the beginning.
Fifth, they can’t show the abortion happening because it’s a private procedure. They even explain why at the end and then have Markai explain what happened to her.
Sixth, Natitia showed no regret over having her abortion. Which is probably why her picture isn’t shown on this post – she wasn’t crying. Her abortion was also years behind her, espically in comparison to Katie’s and Markai’s.
Seventh, Markai clearly explained repeatly why she didn’t consider adoption to be an option.
Eighth, all the girls where holding each other hands. They were comforting each other because it’s difficult to discuss abortion on national television. Considering its stigmatized and all. (Plus, anti-choicers have been known to be violent and kill people. They’re probably terrified about the risks they are taking.)
Nineth, in the end, all three girls said repeatly that their abortions were the right choice for them. Who are you all, perfect strangers, to argue otherwise?
And #10, they killed their own children! NOTHING you are saying changes this very obvious fact… their child is gone because of their decision. Period! It WILL affect them.
I’m not sure you understand the definition of “children.” They killed their embryo/fetus. That is a fact.
No clearly YOU don’t understand the definition of children, Chelle. Children is plural of CHILD. According to Merriam-Webster dictionary
plural chil·dren
Definition of CHILD
1
a : an unborn or recently born personb dialect : a female infant
2
a : a young person especially between infancy and youthb : a childlike or childish personc : a person not yet of age
3
usually childe archaic : a youth of noble birth
4
a : a son or daughter of human parentsb : descendant
5
: one strongly influenced by another or by a place or state of affairs
6
: product, result <barbed wire … is truly a child of the plains — W. P. Webb>
— child·less adjective
— child·less·ness noun
— with child
: pregnant
See child defined for English-language learners »
Examples of CHILD
the birth of a child
She’s pregnant with their first child.
a play for both children and adults
All of their children are grown now.
an elderly couple and their adult children
Men are such children sometimes.
And definition of abortion is, according to Webster:
Definition of ABORTION
1
: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as a : spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation — compare miscarriage b : induced expulsion of a human fetus c : expulsion of a fetus by a domestic animal often due to infection at any time before completion of pregnancy — compare contagious abortion
2
: monstrosity
3
: arrest of development (as of a part or process) resulting in imperfection; also : a result of such arrest
See abortion defined for English-language learners »
Examples of ABORTION
a doctor who performs abortions
She chose to have an abortion.
Mmmm, I see nothing about murder or killing children.
Wow, Webster’s calls a human fetus “human?” Apparently, Webbie didn’t read the NARAL handbook. That’s a big no-no.
Mmmm, I see nothing about murder or killing children.
What does “death” mean? What is a “fetus?” I mean, if you’re pro-abortion, can you at least be honest like Peter Singer at Princeton (who agrees with the Pope that human life begins at conception) and say “Yep, it’s a human being, and yep, I can kill it if I want”?
What really bugged me about 16&P is when Markai called the abortion clinic and asked what kind of abortions they do and the receptionist said,”we do a gentle suction that removes the pregnancy tissure”……What part of that whole sentence sounds sooo wrong?????
First, GENTLE SUCTION.
Second PREGNANCY “TISSUE”
Lets go with the “pregnancy tissue”…Ladies, IF YOU ONLY HAVE “CELLS” YOU ARE NOT PREGNANT! By the time the majority of females find out they are pregnant, they are already 3-6 wks or even 9 wks pregnant!!!! So the divisisons of cells into a human fetus has already long passed and the fetus in your belly already has the brain waves, all the gestrures of hands, feets, head….YOU ARE CARRYING A HUMAN BEING FROM THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION!
The life inside of you is already kicking, sleeping, suckling, hiccuping, laughing, playing with his/her new arms, legs, hands and feet!
As for the “gentle suction”…the ONLY gentle suction us females have is the vaccuum in our living room! There is no way a household vaccuum is able to tear apart a human being in their mothers womb so easily. There was an abortionist in TX performing an abortion on a 9 wk fetus and it took him 6 HOURS to crush the head of that infant! The suctions used in abortion clinics are way stronger than the normal vaccums we have.
As for you “trolls” here….the majority of your comments/answers make no sense. What you need to do is wrap your PP mind around reality (and if you worked AT PP then you would know how the child is ripped apart and taken out) and actually let yourselves start learning and wanting to learn real truth about this evil in the world. There is no IF ANDS OR BUTS about a person. A person is a person. (yes I did get that phrase from horton hears a who so spare me your “making fun of me” crap)
La sanación tras un aborto viene de la mano del Señor, de la acción del Espíritu Santo, puesto que el daño que se ha infringido a la mujer es muy alto y es ella misma la que lo permitió, teniendo además, como consecuencia, la muerte de un niño, o niña. La madre y el padre necesitan mucha ayuda, también familiares y amigos, pero sobre todo la mujer. Es necesario llorar al bebé perdido y pedirle su intercesión, pues forma parte de la Comunión de los Santos. Todos los bebés abortados son poderosos intercesores ante el Señor y la Misericordia de Dios es infinita.
Acudan a la Iglesia, quizá no se encuentren con la palabra más adecuada, pues somos humanos y muchas veces faltos de conocimiento e incluso de sensibilidad. Pero pídanle a Dios su perdón y ayuda: no les faltará. Y, por supuesto, no cometan más estos graves errores y ayuden a que no los cometan los demás.
Vivimos una guerra difícil, de un modo u otros somos víctimas. Pero también hijos de Dios, que venció a la muerte.
¡Ánimo! Que Dios les bendiga.
NOTA: yo soy una persona normal, que he conocido algo de todo esto al conocer el “Proyecto Raquel”, de la Conferencia Episcopal de la Iglesia Católica de los EEUU.