Breaking: Planned Parenthood, Tiller failed to report 164 cases of child statutory rape
UPDATE 2/24, 1:45p: Late yesterday, Tom Williams, AG Phill Kline’s lead investigator, testified and submitted documentation that the 164 unreported adolescent abortions of girls 14 and younger, committed either at Planned Parenthood of Overland Park or George Tiller’s abortion mill, between 2002-03. More coming.
2/22, 4:53: Phill Kline has just dropped a major bombshell.
In an ethics trial that is seeking to determine in part whether Kline acted too aggressively to enforce Kansas child rape laws in his capacity as Attorney General or Johnson Co. District Attorney, Kline just revealed to the court under oath that he found 166 instances during a specific time period when girls 14 years old and younger got abortions at clinics owned either by late-term abortionist George Tiller or Planned Parenthood of Overland Park.
But during that same time period, Kline testified, Planned Parenthood reported only one case of child rape, and Tiller reported only one case of child rape.
This means there were 164 instances when girls 14-years-old and younger had abortions at one of those abortion clinics, and the clinics failed to report the abortions to authorities.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Wow, what a bombshell. I’m looking forward to see how Rachel Maddow spins this, since her show is covering the trial.
The reality is so troubling and yet I’m not really surprised. God knows what’s taken place in abortion facilities. When I went to aquatic physical therapy just yesterday and was asked to show my drivers license and my insurance card that they copied and put in my file. My first thought was I’m having to prove my idenity for something as simple as physical therapy and abortion mills can schedule the killing of babies and in the process, possibly kill or permanently disable the mothers who are carrying the babies WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THEIR NAMES! And they’re questioning the behavior and intention of a respectable and caring man who is willing to bring this problem to justice? Please know that Phill Kline and his family are in our prayers and that as a society, we have to stop this blood money from destroying millions of innocent lives.
Why is Kline revealing this stuff now and now when he was AG? Phil Kline went on a witchhunt against a doctor who was providing a safe and legal service. And he never got a conviction against Tiller.
“Killing babies” blah, blah, blah. Outside the bible belt, nobody cares.
Yes well you see… protecting the identity of people who visit women’s health clinics is necessary because some “Anti-choice” jerk will post their name, address, and picture online so some other “pro-life” jerk can scream baby murderer at them just before they shoot and kill them. The amount of “Pro-Life” intimidation in Kansas is overwhelming. If a girl lies about her name and birth date there is not much more to be done. It is her right to remain anonymous. BTW the reason you have to identify yourself at a physical therapy office is because you are claiming the expense on your insurance and it is YOUR INSURANCE that requires ID. Most women who go into a PP for example, are low income and don’t have insurance. They are healthcare providers not ID investigators and you might consider that not everyone has ID like immigrants but whether or not they are in the country legally has no bearing here. They ARE in this country and we don’t want STD’s to spread so they get treated for STD’s like everyone else with or without ID. These are doctors, nurses, and clinicians not cops or immigration agents. I find it ironic that the “Anti-Choice” movement tries so hard to get health insurance companies not to cover abortion services and because of their success abortion services require no ID.
Unbelievable. I guess if you’re blind to the evil of abortion, you can more easily turn a blind eye to the other evils Planned Parenthood is guilty of.
Jack, stop with the jokes, you’re killing me!!
Sounds as though they need to charge Kline with failing to execute the duties of his office for not prosecuting them nearly enough.
166 case of statutory. If that were a decade, that would still be one almost every 3 weeks.
The mother of all whores is being exposed/outed.
Wrangling RINO’s, b o!
Say it aint so.!
Rev 17:1-2 1 ONE OF the seven angels who had the seven bowls then came and spoke to me, saying, Come with me! I will show you the doom (sentence, judgment) of the great harlot (idolatress) who is seated on many waters, [Jer 51:13.]
2[She] with whom the rulers of the earth have joined in prostitution (idolatry) and with the wine of whose immorality (idolatry) the inhabitants of the earth have become intoxicated. [Jer 25:15,16.]
4 The woman was robed in purple and scarlet and bedecked with gold, precious stones, and pearls, [and she was] holding in her hand a golden cup full of the accursed offenses and the filth of her lewdness and vice. [Jer 51:7.]
5 And on her forehead there was inscribed a name of mystery [with a secret symbolic meaning]: Babylon the great, the mother of prostitutes (idolatresses) and of the filth and atrocities and abominations of the earth.
6 I also saw that the woman was drunk, [drunk] with the blood of the saints (God’s people) and the blood of the martyrs [who witnessed] for Jesus. And when I saw her, I was utterly amazed and wondered greatly.
15 And [the angel further] said to me, The waters that you observed, where the harlot is seated, are races and multitudes and nations and dialects (languages).
16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will [be the very ones to] hate the harlot (the idolatrous woman); they will make her cheerless (bereaved, desolate), and they will strip her and eat up her flesh and utterly consume her with fire.
17 For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His own purpose by acting in harmony in surrendering their royal power and authority to the beast, until the prophetic words (intentions and promises) of God shall be fulfilled.
[Take note the ’beast’ turns on his former consort and throws her under the bus like Jezebel was thrown under the wheels of the chariots.]
18 And the woman that you saw is herself the great city which dominates and controls the rulers and the leaders of the earth. AMP
Rev 19:2 Because His judgments (His condemnation and punishment, His sentences of doom) are true and sound and just and upright. He has judged (convicted, pronounced sentence, and doomed) the great and notorious harlot (idolatress) who corrupted and demoralized and poisoned the earth with her lewdness and adultery (idolatry). And He has avenged (visited on her the penalty for) the blood of His servants at her hand. [Deut 32:43.] AMP
2 Kings 9:33-10:1 33 And he [Jehu] said, Throw her down! So they threw her down, and some of her blood splattered on the wall and on the horses, and he drove over her.
34 When he came in, he ate and drank, and said, See now to this cursed woman and bury her, for she is a king’s daughter.
35 They went to bury her, but they found nothing left of her except the skull, feet, and palms of her hands.
36 They came again and told Jehu. He said, This is the word of the Lord which He spoke by His servant Elijah the Tishbite, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel. [1 Kings 21:23.]
37 The corpse of Jezebel shall be like dung upon the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel, so that they shall not say, This is Jezebel. AMP
[Someone ought to make a movie.]
Kline admitted to actually copying license numbers of cars near clinics. Isn’t that – ah – a bit big government if not totalitarian?
Leaping lezbos, b o
Ok so you hate gay women. What does that have to do with Kline abusing his power? And BTW, bible quotes are so not relevent to any discussion of American jurisprudence. We don’t live in a system of Christian “Sharia” law, do we?
It is her right to remain anonymous
Bingo! Of course, if you’re having an abortion, you surrender all your legal rights…
Yeah, that’s right people. Make Kline the fall-guy in all this. He’s not the guilty ones here. He’s just revealing evidence that PP and the state have been trying to cover up for years.
CC says:February 22, 2011 at 5:48 pm
“Phil Kline went on a witchhunt against a doctor who was providing a safe and legal service.”
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cc,
At least give Kline his due.
He didn’t go huntin for zebras on the arctic cirlce.
He found a target rich environment to begin his search.
If you are going on a ‘witch hunt, what better place to start than a coven of whores like PP or sacrificial temple like Tiller’s place.
coven of whores like PP or sacrificial temple like Tiller’s place.
“Coven of whores” – you do hate women who dare to defy your worldview. You and Scott Roeder, Paul Hill, Eric Rudolph etc. have a lot in common. You are the reason why there is police presence at Planned Parenthood.
And BTW, Kline was sanctioned in 2009 by the Kansas Supreme Court for his inappropriate judicial conduct regarding his pursuit of Planned Parenthood. And Ken, hate to break to ya but women have their own free will. They’re not as stupid as you think. Abortion is as old as time immemorial.
He’s just revealing evidence that PP and the state have been trying to cover up for years
Why didn’t he reveal it when he as AG. He is being accused of misinforming the courts and this seems to underscore it. He did say it’s OK to deceive….
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/feb/21/former-attorney-general-phill-kline-faces-ethics-h/
But isn’t lying a sin – and a civil infraction, too?
cc,
If the narratives from the ‘book’ bothers you then don’t read them, except for the ones that might apply to you.
I was at least considerate enough to preface them with their addressses, so you would not start reading them and then in the middle come to the realiazation that you had unknowingly been reading the ‘book’.
It’s kind like one of those disclaimers they put at the start of movies to warn you before hand that the film contains graphic violence and titulating sex.
I know you would never watch a movie like that.
Well – actually a lot of the PP’s actually require you to have id – they will not perform an abortion on you unless they know who you are.
And how about this for invasion of privacy – they card every person that comes into the clinic, and if you can not have your photo ID with you with name – sorry – you can not accompany your girlfriend into the clinic.
In fact one save we had was an under-17 year old who forgot her formal info. She was really mad – but they turned her away – not because she was under 18, not because she could not pay, but because she could not prove who she was.
Her child’s lucky day.
So – about the people who say Planned Parenthood doesn’t want to know who you are – sorry. Try again.
Oh – and did I tell you they make you turn your cell phones off or turn them in? No – Planned Parenthood is not intrusive at all…. (sarcasm).
CC says: February 22, 2011 at 6:25 pm
“They’re [women] not as stupid as you think. Abortion is as old as time immemorial.”
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If I viewed women as you falsely accuse me, I would say your accusation proves my point.
I do not believe women are stupid simply because they are female.
Women are stupid, because they are human. Same goes for men.
Women who resort to killing their pre-natal children are ‘stupid’.
Murder has been around longer than abortion. Abortion is just another method to comit homicide.
CC,
There a lot people, many of them women, who ‘comment’ on this site. You may be more intelligent than me, but there are few who ‘comment’ here who exceed you in foolishness.
Here is a simple question which you should be able to answer and if you answer it correctly it might start you on the path to recovery.
‘When your momma was pregnant with you, what species of embryo/fetus was present in her uterus?’
The answer the MSM has been asking Lila Rose: “Does this happen in real life, though?” has been answered in spades.
Cue crickets.
“Killing babies” blah, blah, blah. Outside the bible belt, nobody cares.
You just summed up your black heart in one line.
CC,
Last I check atheists/agnostics for life are hardly Bible belt type folks. But don’t let that stop you from making one more lie.
On top of your stupid claim Roger Williams, just because he held to seperation of church and state, would have been for legalization of abortion. Given that he also held to while the first half of the ten commandments should not be enforced, he believed that the second half should as protection of people’s natural rights to life and liberty.
Funny you whine about folks lying to uncover dark secrets of PP, but you have no problem with lying yourself and the long history of abortionists to lie to make abortion legal. Remember Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton were based on lies by your side, too.
And your own RH Delusional Check has on staff some of the worst patholigical liars there are, such as Amanda Marcotte.
Biggs and CC, you guys should be blocked from this site for sheer stupidity. Tiller is going to jail for his disgusting practices, and you’re actually defending child rapists, who use Planned Parenthood’s practice of allowing abortions to minors without parental consent to cover their crimes. What do you think happens after the childs “privacy” is protected? The abusers and rapists disappear? Are you really that stupid?
A case in Ohio that recently surfaced, a 13 year old girl was given an abortion without notifying the parents or authorities. The 22 year old who was abusing her forced her into the abortion. Planned Parenthood covered up his crime and the abuse continued for more the a year before this sick bastard was exposed. But no, you’re right, Planned Parenthood is doing the right thing. Child rapist defenders, thats what you both are.
Biggz-
“Yes well you see… protecting the identity of people who visit women’s health clinics is necessary because some “Anti-choice” jerk will post their name, address, and picture online so some other “pro-life” jerk can scream baby murderer at them just before they shoot and kill them. ”
How about a few examples of this actually happening?
Tiller is going to jail for his disgusting practices
Scuse me but Tiller is dead – murdered by an anti-choice zealot. Now who’s stupid?
Tiller was not murdered by an “anti-choice zealot.”
We are pro-life zealots, and we don’t believe that killing is every a solution to any problem.
It is sad, twisted, and demonically ironic when a deranged person kills a killer for the sake of “pro-life.” Basically, some guy bought the lie that Tiller was ‘just a clump of cells’ and had him surgically removed from the human race, because he was ‘inconvenient’ at this time.
The Pro-Life movement utterly rejects violence. Killing is not the solution to killing, just as killing is not the solution to unexpeceted pregnancy.
Sometimes the quality of a person can be determined by who his enemies are. The way our resident trolls are bouncing off the walls with their pathetic meanderings it shows that Phil Kline is in the crosshairs of the baby killers.
@Biggz and CC:
If either of you had a daughter that was say…14…and, unbeknownst to you, was having sex with a 24 year old, and ended up pregnant, would you want to know if :
A.) She secretly had an abortion at a PP
B.) PP reported the statutory rape of your UNDERAGE DAUGHTER ?
The PP defenders who troll tbis site are fine with the abuse of minors, sending sex slaves back to their masters, and rape as long as abortion can cover it up. Covering up sex abuse is ok, as long ad its PP and not the Big Mean Catholic Church. Their science is as outdated as their pro-abortion arguments. These are the zealots Frances Kissler is calling out and correcting.
I can see how those of a certain generation might still be scarred and confused enough to support the violence of abortion. But going so far as crusading for the corrupt sinking ship of PP after all that’s been revealed is beyond sad, and beyond dialog to me.
So, Friends, respond if you wish. For my part, the respect-o-meter has fallen so low I’m not addressing or feeding the trolls anymore.
Yes well you see… protecting the identity of people who visit women’s health clinics is necessary because some “Anti-choice” jerk…
Stop. Stop right there. Reporting child rape to the police is [A] not optional and [B] not the same as plastering names and addresses of patients on public walkways. Honestly, this is just veering into Insane Troll Logic territory.
The article on LifeSiteNews.com corrected that there were 168 cases of statutory rape, 166 of which went unreported.
It makes sense that there were so many unreported cases. As everyone knows, many teenagers get pregnant every year. There are many underage girls who enter those clinics all the time, so at least some of them have to be having abortions. Everyone knows that a minor cannot consent to sex, and therefore, a pregnant minor means that there has been statutory rape. However, you never see police presence in an abortion “clinic”, unless it is to report a problem with a pro-lifer, or a botched abortion. Therefore, it logically follows that abortion clinics do not report statutory rape.
However, I do not get why these abortion “clinics” do not report statutory rape, as we all know that abuse is most often caused by those closest to us – family, school, and the work place. Sending them back home is sending them right back into the lions’ den. I get that it means more money, but they pride themselves on saving women, and being members of the medical community, they are mandatory reporters, and take oaths to protect their patients. If they really wanted to help women, they would do everything in their power to get these women and girls away from the abuse, including reporting statutory rape.
I get why Mr. Kline did not report it, though. As an on-going investigation, those in law enforcement giving a full report to their superiors before they have all the facts could put the case in jeopardy, as you never know who is going to hear you or tip off the criminals. Some of these people in power may have been in the know. Therefore, Mr. Kline could not report his findings before having a solid case against the criminals.
LifeSiteNews.com also reports that the Johnson County DA opened some mail addressed to Mr. Kline which was sent to the wrong physical address in Virginia (meaning, it had been delivered, but not to the person to whom it was directed). The DA has confiscated his personal diary and other items sent to Mr. Kline by his secretary, and the DA sent them on to the disciplinary committee. Talk about your fruit of the poisoned tree. Opening, hiding or keeping another person’s mail without permission is a federal offense, punishable by fine (used to be up to $2,000, no set fine now) or up to 5 years in prison (Title 18, Part I, Chapter 83, Sections 1702 and 1703). In other words, the disciplinary committee members are accomplices in a federal offense.
Wow! That is a truly insane amount of cover up by PP. To those who raised why Kline brings this up now instead of previously, he might have been gathering evidence to build a case that he was unfortunately not able to prosecute when he was removed from office. I imagine he was getting to close to the smoking gun he needed.
CC,
I’m sure that Drew meant to say “hell” instead of “jail”, but I digress…
I don’t think you’re stupid. Evil and cold, perhaps, but not stupid.
Isn’t it so sad our society allows the exploitation of these young girls? We have a collective responsibility to protect girls form sexual predators, but instead, we hand them an abortion and sweep it under the rug. Guess the girls get screwed twice!
To those who raised why Kline brings this up now instead of previously, he might have been gathering evidence to build a case that he was unfortunately not able to prosecute when he was removed from office.
That’s very plausible. When it’s something on this big of a scale, prosecutors want to make sure they have enough evidence to just about guarantee a conviction before they indict. Once someone’s indicted, they either plead out or have the right to a speedy trial, and you can’t just ask for more time to find evidence because you don’t have it all together yet.
hey CC, sounds like you would have been OK with slavery! Slavery is/was a moral evil, has been deemed so by ALL reasonable, intelligent people, some even died to end that horrible evil. HOW in the world can anyone ‘believe’ that killing an innocent life be reasonable or moral or good!!! You totally miss the point. People ‘talk’ about the horror of child abuse and then they ‘approve’ of the worst kind – killing babies and looking the other way when children are sexually abused and are FORCED to have an abortion to protect their abuser. Talk about ‘dung’!!!!!
May God have MERCY on your soul and every person involved in killing babies.
“Kline just revealed to the court under oath that he found 166 instances during a specific time period when girls younger than 14 years old and younger got abortions at clinics owned either by late-term abortionist George Tiller or Planned Parenthood of Overland Park.”
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PP is ‘toast’ [not to be confused with ‘toasted’ as in celebrated, honored,etc.].
Tiller’s posthumous introduction into ‘sainthood’ might be jeopardized by his apparent undermining and circumvention of parental rights and responsibilities…except in the cases of those grandparents who brought their 14 year old daughters to have George kill their own flesh and blood.
These ‘parents and grandparents’ have not only failed in their fudiciary responsibility to their daughters, they have gone so far as to actively and aggressively violate their childs inherent love and trust.
Gives added dimensions to the word ‘pervert’ [jboth as a ‘noun’ and ‘verb’].
First of all, I am very moderately pro-choice. And personlly opposed to abortion on moral grounds.
But calling ALL these situations statutory rape seems a bit of a stretch. All Kline said, according to the story, was the failure to report abortions of girls 14 years of age and younger. The boy/man in question would have to be 18 or older for rape to apply. While some may have involved statutory rape, it is very likely most of them were boyfreind/girlfreind (both under 18) just having sex. And, therefore, not statutory rape.
The girls, of course, may be scared, embarrased, and could have feared “retribution” from the boy if they found out. So they may not have given their correct age.
Legislation I believe in regarding abortion is “parental notification” for those under 18. However, it should also be clear that if a girl is in an “abusive relationship” at home, or may involve rape or incest, she should be able to go through law enforcement to obtain the services she requires.
CC: “‘Killing babies’ blah, blah, blah. Outside the bible belt, nobody cares.”
I live right outside Kermit Gosnell’s Philly (and not the one in Mississippi). That’s outside the Bible Belt. I believe I care.
Hey, I’m pretty close to you, bmmg… 25 miles NW of Philly… not the bible belt either, I believe.
Kline is one morally courageous man. This case has far more to do with “jezebel” and facist vicious bloody topeka male and female liberal feminist politicians than anything else. The ethics board director (old Ahab) in Kansas is married to the head of “child protective” services, a feminist organization that also overlooked numerous cases of child rape and child murder in abortion clinics, because they themselves received funds from and provided for planned parenthoold. What is really pathetic is jezebel’s harassment of Kline is more about politics, cowardice and coverups than Truth or justice for children. Proverbs 24 “if you forbear to deliver those that are drawn to death and those that are ready to be slain; if you say “behold, we knew it not, does not he that ponder the heart consider it?”
What is truly pathetic about this is how the catholics are suddenly broadcasting this, they certainly were not there for Kline when it was politically incorrect to be involved in the case.
If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death,
and those that are ready to be slain;
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if thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not;
doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it?
And he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it?
And shall not he render to every man according to his works?
Steven: People involved in health care are mandated by law to report any suspected sexual abuse, and fourteen-year-olds being pregnant is a decent indicator that sexual abuse is very possible in their scenarios. If they were having sex with another fourteen-year-old, the legal system can figure that out. Reporting suspected sexual abuse isn’t a matter of discretion or a judgment call. It’s the law.
“Kline admitted to actually copying license numbers of cars near clinics.”
Yeah, how dare law enforcement use public information that everyone in the world can access.
Hmm… I never knew Wisconsin was in the “Bible Belt”, either! (Given the nonsense going on outside the Capital building in Madison, that fact should be especially plain.)
I think that many are missing the critical point. Abortions are legal in the U.S., regardless of personal views on the issue. The critical point that everyone must focus on is this: Did Planned Parenthood fail to comply with state laws? Did they perform abortions on girls who were raped yet fail to report the rape to the authorities? As a doctor, medical facility, school nurse — you are required by law to not only safeguard the victim, but report the crime. Did Planned Parenthood conduct late-term abortions that violated state law.
As citizens living in this state, governed by specific laws, we can not excuse illegal behavior because of our personal views on the subject. We must ensure that all state laws are applied equally to all citizens in the state. No one can act above or outside the statutes that govern behavior/conduct and Planned Parenthood was required by law to act on the knowledge that a patient was a victim of rape, so that the rapist can be held responsible for their acts. By siding with Planned Parenthood, we are giving a license to all rapist that is is OK in KS to rape children.
With that said, you then must consider AG Kline’s behavior — acting on the information and evidence, was he obligated, in the execution of his elected duties, to hold Planned Parenthood accountable for breaking the law?
Gerard Nadal says: February 22, 2011 at 11:35 pm
CC,
“I don’t think you’re stupid. Evil and cold, perhaps, but not stupid.”
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cc,
I don’t often disagree with Gerard, but with all due respect to him and any due respect you, I have to conclude based on your emotionally driven ramblings, you are not only stupid but you have labored at making yourself thus.
When you willfully reject logic, reason, science and both ‘truth’ and the ‘TRUTH’, then there is only one alternative to either the lie and/or the liar.
You reject the conclusion that 2+2=4 because you do not like the result.
Sooner or late that kind of irrational behavior is going to cause you some difficulties, not the least of which will be reconciling your bank statement.
[Witness what is going on in Wisconsin. Liberals who don’t like the fact that 2->2=no money.]
Jeremiah 10:14-15 14Every man has become like a brute, irrational and stupid, without knowledge [of God]; every goldsmith is brought to shame by his graven idols; for his molten images are frauds and falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
15They are devoid of worth, usefulness, or truth, a work of delusion and mockery; in their time of trial and punishment they shall [helplessly] perish.
Romans 1:20-22 20…So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],(B)
21Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and [c]godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.
22Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].
We live in a selective enforcement culture. Those in power use executive authority to privilege their friends and allies. So, we the people can elect representatives to pass laws we like, but they can’t enforce them.
Selective enforcement is the opposite of equal protection.
“This means there were 164 instances when girls 13 14-years-old and younger had abortions at one of those abortion clinics, and the clinics failed to report the abortions to authorities.”
No, it doesn’t mean that at all. We have no way of knowing how many of those cases had already been reported before they came to Dr. Tiller. For all we know, the young girls came in after they had reported the statutory (or non-statutory) rape, the police had conducted a full investigation and the rapist was in jail awaiting trial. Dr. Tiller would have no obligation to report anything in such a situation.
Anyway, I’m on record here advocating that Planned Parenthood, and everyone else, strictly follow the law in regard to reporting instances of child rape.
“ Dr. Tiller would have no obligation to report anything in such a situation.”
Yes he would. He, as well as PP, was a mandatory reporter.
Paladin: “Hmm… I never knew Wisconsin was in the ‘Bible Belt,’ either! (Given the nonsense going on outside the Capital building in Madison, that fact should be especially plain.)”
Some of the teachers’ unions in Wisconsin apparently believe Wisconsin includes Illinois and Indiana.
Hal says:
“Anyway, I’m on record here advocating that Planned Parenthood, and everyone else, strictly follow the law in regard to reporting instances of child rape.”
Hal,
Are you willing to go on the record that person or persons and/or private or even public entities that knowingly violate the ‘law’ be ‘defunded’ if they are convicted?
We have no way of knowing how many of those cases had already been reported before they came to Dr. Tiller.
We don’t, but whoever’s reviewed Dr Tiller’s records should. Records for those patients should reflect why no mandated reporting action was taken. For example, if CPS or law enforcement had verified to him or his staff that a report had already been received, that should be documented in the patient’s record. As you attorneys like to tell us, if it isn’t in the record, it didn’t happen.
Yes he would. He, as well as PP, was a mandatory reporter.
Lauren’s right. This is about cases Tiller didn’t report, not cases where he reported it and the police or DA’s office said, “Thanks, George, we knew about that one already.”
Dr. Tiller would have no obligation to report anything in such a situation.
You sure about that? According to KSA 38-2223, “Willful and knowing failure to make a report required by this section is a class B misdemeanor. It is not a defense that another mandatory reporter made a report.“
Tiller’s abortion records exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mviFMpy_sBU
Hippie, it’s like the pigs wrote on the wall in George Orwell’s “Animal Farm”:
Some animals are more equal than others.
Are you willing to go on the record that person or persons and/or private or even public entities that knowingly violate the ‘law’ be ‘defunded’ if they are convicted?
We’ve had several members of Congress who went to jail for various forms of funny business. Should congress be de-funded? There have been a number of banking violations over the past few years. Should the fed stop loaning money to these entities? Taxpayer money goes to textbooks and transportation for parochial school students. Should this have stopped when there were convictions of clergy for sexual abuse? If an employee of a hospital violates the law, should that hospital stop getting federal/state reimbursements? If a government lawyer breaks the law, should the department at which the lawyer works, be defunded?
CC, after all these weeks, have you been under the mistaken impression that abortionist lawbreaking is just a series of isolated incidents? You keep claiming to be educated, but my, you do have a problem with your reading comprehension skills. Maybe you should just watch all LiveActions videos, then come back and whine about isolated incidents.
Maybe in the process, YOU can go on record that you’ve never met an abortion or an abortionist that you didn’t like. Sorry the ERA was such a giant FAIL, CC, I guess it still hurts, huh?
bmmg39 wrote:
Some of the teachers’ unions in Wisconsin apparently believe Wisconsin includes Illinois and Indiana.
:) Details, details… at least they have the correct land-mass/continent, right?
I had an abortion in 1976 at PP. There were no said laws in place, but if there had been, every single one would have been broken. There is no greater crime than not to help a very young girl understand the LONG term affects of what she is about to do morally, physically and mentally. If you have not had an abortion you do not know ANYTHING. I AM NOT ALONE. I applaud “Pro” Kline for taking on a company that has grown fat on the killing of babies. He was unable to convict George Tiller or PP because of the POLITICAL money and backing they have like our former Govenor and more. He has lost a lot continuing this fight. Any comments from “choice” individuals that have not seen first hand the inside workings of this sleeping menace should be ignored as ill informed. If you are pro choice and have, I pray for you that on the day you let your guilt so deeply hidden flow out, you find peace. It took me many years and I know there are many of us from the early years of Roe vs Wade on. Abortion HURTS the mother! There is no choice, there are only babies. You take their choice from them. They don’t want to die! Give them to someone that would LOVE to have a child. Carrying a child for 9 months is a privelege not a burden. I know this now. I beleve anyone would say that after seeing a sonogram, which I was denied, or feel the babies first movements.
Mike,
If I had a daughter who was 14 and dating a 24yo man and I didn’t know about it, I would be a pretty pathetic parent. BTW I have a 16yo daughter and I will not let you zealots take her rights away from her!
Good parents don’t need to worry about their daughters not talking to them because they have open lines of communication and they don’t lie to their children “like Christian parents”. Parents need to talk to their kids and take responsibility for upbringing.
CC would have been about 23 when the ERA didn’t pass (1972) and about 24 years old when Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton occurred (1973). I can understand how a woman who was in her youthful prime when feminism was at it’s most powerful would go so wrong. I didn’t connect the dots about those events until recently, because I kept asking myself, “what happened to women? what happened to feminism?” I didn’t give up and spew slogans when the answer was difficult. I had to go back, take a fresh look at recent history. One can see the downward spiral of feminism clearly from our vantage point here in 2011. Women had worked very hard and had tremendous hope for the ERA. I think when it was defeated, women were stunned and demoralized. The phrase “ERA” and “Equal Rights Amendment” gradually faded from the newspapers and magazines, from television interviews and commentary. Radical feminists latched onto abortion as if it were a floating door, bobbing in the ocean, and they climbed on it without question. CC is old enough to remember this clearly, but I wonder if she can connect the dots herself. Abortion did not redeem the loss of the ERA, but to watch the yearly “celebrations” of Roe v Wade, you’d think it had. There is nothing to celebrate about killing off a generation of children and nothing to celebrate about turning the next generation after that into child-murderers.
What I do celebrate is the growing pro-life values that I see in young people. As I’ve said before, we do not need to convert all the CC’s on the internet. We only need to convert enough people to make abortion illegal again. I love the way that sounds when I say it out loud: make abortion illegal again. It makes hope swell in my chest.
RJW, thank you so much for sharing your story here. Bless your heart!
Biggz says: February 23, 2011 at 3:32 pm
1.”If I had a daughter who was 14 and dating a 24yo man and I didn’t know about it, I would be a pretty pathetic parent. BTW I have a 16yo daughter”…
2. “Good parents don’t need to worry about their daughters not talking to them because they have open lines of communication and they don’t lie to their children “like Christian parents”.
3. “Parents need to talk to their kids and take responsibility for upbringing.”
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Bigotz,
1.You cannot know what you do not know that you do not know.
Do you keep you 16 daughter chained to her bed?
Do you monitor her cell phone calls, voice mails and text messgages.
Do you monitor her internet activities?
2. Your 16 year old daughter could be sexually active, she could contracted multiple STD’s, she could have been having sex with multiple partners, including adult men and/or women. She could have been pregnant multiple times and submitted to multiple abortions and you would not know if your daughter and PP and the local school had deliberately kept you in the dark.
Statistcally speaking it is more likely than not that some, if not all, of these things have already occurred.
So spare us the santicmonious hysteria about open communications between you and your daughter. If she is anything like you, the probabilities have increased dramatically that you have already been a grandmother mutliple times over. You just don’t know where your grandchildren’s bodies are burried. Or maybe you do.
3. Now you are talking out both sides of your mouth on both your faces. You are more than happy to have ‘responsible parents’ authority undermined and cicrumvented when it advances your aberant agenda until the day you wake up and hear the pop and come to the realization that you are the ‘responsible parent’ who was delibrately kept in the dark by the ‘more than equals’ who are sure that THEY know better than YOU what is best for YOUR 16 year old daughter.
But you and your 16 year old daughter are sufferring the consequences and footing the bill for someone elses decisions about what is right for your child.
Suggest you listen for the pop!
Ken – I know my daughter is not doing any of those things because we talk to each other… I know you guys think you must shelter children from all dangers but as Nancy Reagan found out, teaching kids to just say no does not work. My wife and I have open and frank discussions with our daughter about EVERYTHING! Drugs, Sex, Credit Scores, Everything. She is incredibly well informed so she can make smart decisions when we are not around. If my daughter did decide to have sex she would tell us about her experience. If she got pregnant we would discuss all her options, but she already knows all her options.
You see Ken I don’t need to wait for a doctor to call and tell me what my daughter is doing because she tells me herself. It is wrong to shield children from everything in the world because their natural curiosity will drive them to find out what you have been shielding them from. Take drugs for example, I not only taught my daughter exactly how each drug works but how they feel and what they do to a person with prolonged use. Lastly I took her down under the freeways in Seattle “anyone who has been to Seattle knows what I am talking about here” to show her the “drug culture” live in action. You don’t tell a kid not to do something, you explain why it’s a bad idea and show them the real world consequences. Lastly you trust your kid to make good, smart decisions and help pick them up when they make a mistake.
Just an FYI “hand on heart” my daughter is a 4.0 student and sits first chair clarinet in concert and marching band. She is also a Big Sister with the Big Brothers and Sisters. She has not had an easy life so far but she makes smart decisions because she has the information she needs before hand, because we do not LIE to her. We do not restrict her very much we teach her a lot. We do not try to instill fear in her we teach her caution and prudence. If you have to find out from a teacher or doctor what’s going on in YOUR kids life then you are not doing a very good job teaching and talking to YOUR child, but that doesn’t make it anyone else’s responsibility to report to you what YOUR child is doing. You are failing as a parent.
“If you have to find out from a teacher or doctor what’s going on in YOUR kids life then you are not doing a very good job teaching and talking to YOUR child, but that doesn’t make it anyone else’s responsibility to report to you what YOUR child is doing. You are failing as a parent.”
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Bigotz,
Suggest you copy, paste and print those words in a large font and post them on your refrigerator to remind yourself of the measure by which you judge ‘responsible’ and ‘failed’ parenting.
Then when your ‘human’ child stumbles, you will know who to hold accountable.
Then listen for the ‘pop’.
If you have to find out from a teacher or doctor what’s going on in YOUR kids life then you are not doing a very good job teaching and talking to YOUR child, but that doesn’t make it anyone else’s responsibility to report to you what YOUR child is doing. You are failing as a parent.
Biggz,
This should go without saying, but there are so many bad influences in the world, and cases of good kids doing really dumb things due to their own immaturity, I would think a good parent would welcome any communication coming from teachers, doctors, neighbors, relatives, etc… No teenager is going to be completely upfront with their parents about everything in their life. It’s part of their maturing process to distance them self emotionally from the parent.
Why you would tell your daughter that abortion is a viable option is beyond me, Do you want her thinking that SHE was a choice?
And Biggz – I am very happy that you have a lovely relationship with your daughter. I am truly happy for you.
And since you talk about everything, I hope that you have told her that you would love her, even if she got pregnant, and that you would work things out as a family. I hope that you told her that you would be disappointed in the timing – but you would love her and her little baby too.
After all – this would be protecting not only your little (now big) girl, but her child, your and your wife’s (first?) grandchild. I hope you would protect them both.
Because – that is what the pro-life way of life is: protect them both, mother and child.
I think most of us here agree with Biggz’s take on raising kids. It’s funny how we’re portrayed–and presumed about: that we don’t want our kids to know about anything, to be naive, and afraid. Sure isn’t the case for Lila Rose who is from a large family and homeschooled. Instead of texting on FB every hour “I’m BORED. Text me.” With come hither pictures of herself, she learned about something–a really grave injustice–and did something about it. It took guts and smarts–not something a naive, frightened, uninformed person would do.
It’s funny–this isn’t really about abortion. It’s about an organziation covering up child rape. I don’t understand how people–and I’ve talked to them–can be so rightly condemning of this behavior in the Catholic Church, but not here….??
Take the religion and disagreement about abortion out of it–what is wrong with people? If one thinks abortion and PP’s methods are so great, perhaps the ought to talk to these broken women:
http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/plannedparenthood/
“You are the reason why there is police presence at Planned Parenthood.”
The reason why there is police presence at PP is that the government refuses to to its job of suppressing murder of preborn children. Others are trying to “fill in” where the state is not only negligent but is supporting those who murder.
“Abortion is as old as time immemorial.”
Along with murder of born people, rape, theft, cheating, the entire gamut of crime. The difference is that governments have all through the ages worked to protect the lives, liberties and property of some people (but usually not all). Here we have government paying professional murderers to commit murder, and persecuting and even murdering those who try to prevent the murder of those who are not favored by government. Here we have government officials colluding with the cover-up of the rape, often incestuous, of children. Here we have government officials stealing from the public funds to provide support of the very things government is supposed to suppress.
Note how “Biggz” tries to muddle abortion with STD treatment. “Biggz,” pregnancy is not a Sexually Transmitted Disease. STDs are not treated by abortion. STDs often cause abortion.
Biggz calls an abortion “clinic” a “women’s health clinic.”
Abortuaries are not in the business of diagnosing and treating diseases and disorders of women. They dispense contraceptives. Contraceptives are not healthcare. Preventing the body from functioning normally is not healthcare. Abortuaries dispense contraceptives because they make money on them directly. They dispense contraceptives because they know contraceptives fail. Failure of a contraceptive means a potential abortion. They dispense contraceptives because they know they encourage promiscuity. The more sexual activity, the more contraceptive failures and the more abortions. Sexual activity in illicit relations is more likely to result in an abortion than is sexual activity in legitimate marital relationships. The more contraceptives, the more profits. The more abortions, the more profits. It’s all about money. The love of money. The image that pro-abortionists want to elicit is that of the nice family doctor who on rare occasion does an abortion because he feels sorry for one of his regular patients who does not want her baby. Reality is the abortionist who never saw the woman before and will never see her again, until she comes in for another abortion. He (and a few shes) commit a dozen or more abortions every killing day. Many have a circuit of abortuaries, doing many abortions every day.
They kill children. Healing, not killing, is healthcare. Abortionists murder one and damage, or occasionally kill, another.
When women have actual diseases and disorders, they go to legitimate physicians, not to abortionists. Women who have found out that the OB/Gyn they have been seeing is aborting babies elsewhere are appalled. The hands that they had been allowing to touch them were soiled with the blood of babies murdered with them.