Chicago: Pro-life flash mob surprises “Walk for Choice”
Short version above, long version on page 2. Inside story sent to me from Brother Joshua, cool!
A pro-abortion “Walk for Choice” rally was held in downtown Chicago’s Daley Plaza on Saturday, February 26. Participants of the “Walk her for Choice” were protesting HR Bill 3 which limits taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.
As a response to the “Walk for Choice,” anonymous teens and young adults organized a “Pro-Life Flash Mob” over the span of a few days. The goal of the event was not to counter-protest, but to give a positive message of joy and life to Chicago.
The youth assembled inconspicuously around the plaza before the rally hiding their giant yellow balloons in black trash bags. When the “Walk for Choice” had assembled, the youth prompted by music coming from a backpack sound system then proceeded to unveil the helium balloons imprinted with the word “LIFE.”
These exclusive videos shows the “Pro-Life Flash Mob” taking the “pro-choicers” by surprise with Life, Spirit, and Truth!
As participants of the “Walk for Choice” were asked to wear orange for the event, so the Pro-Life flash mob jovially asks in their sign: “ORANGE YOU GLAD TO SEE US???”
Which side has more joy?
[HT: Rita]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
The Life people definitely seem happier, but leftists are generally a miserable lot anyway. Great video, thanks for sharing!
“I’m rubber [not be confused with ‘condom’], your glue,
what you say bounces off me and sticks to you.”
I suppose the complaint of the ‘dead babies are us’ mob will be:
“Those mean people with the yellow ballons hit us back first!”
Way to go Pro-Life ‘God squad’!
Joy? What joy could there be in abortion? A new language had to be created to disguise how reprehensible it is. Words like “choice” and tidy phrases like “reproductive freedom,” disguise the truth.
So many young people are against abortion. God bless them for getting this so right.
Wow, and notice which is the younger crowd. :)
I wish I could have joined this group. I did receive the e-mail, but could not make it on Saturday. This group is largely from St. John Cantius Church in the city. We have friends there (I spotted them in the video) and my daughter has been a part of this Pro-Life group, but she is at college. God Bless them for their faithfulness and courage. You may have noticed their singing. Many of these kids are part of the lovely children’s choir at this church under the direction of the young Brother shepherding this group.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!!!
I love videos like this! The pro-life crowd is always so great to watch, and it’s always amusing to listen to the pro-aborts’ angry chants. My favorite was:
“Your name is a lie! You don’t care if women die!”
We’re not the ones who think it’s okay to kill millions of them before they’re even born.
Awesome! I love the contrast between the light (yellow happy balloons, young pro-lifers) and the darkness.
Awesome!!!! Did you notice how absolutely stunned an shocked pro-choicers were at first!!! Loved it!!! The sea of yellow balloons is such a wonderful idea, and the joyful shouts for life, stunning!
Beautiful. Great to see young people doing the right thing.
I believe I saw these kids and their yellow balloons at the March for Life in DC. Yes, I did. I have a photo of them.
“Pro-life is a lie, you don’t care if women die” is a pro-abort version of the pro-life chant “Pro-choice is a lie, babies never choose to die”. The pro-life version, aside from not making assumptions about the other sides’ motives, is a heck of a lot more powerful.
That is so awesome! We need to do crash more events like this. The instructions and attitude of the mob were perfect!
“Your name is a lie! You don’t care if women die!”
Very few women die in pregnancy from a life threatening condition, a pro-life doctor (emphasis on pro-life) is able to treat both the mother and baby as best as possible to save both lives. If your doctor tells you abortion is the only solution, get a second and maybe a third opinion.
These pro-life kids are such a joy to see. God bless their adult leaders!
Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanx 4 posting!
And when those young, abstinent gals get themselves in a “predicament,” they can get nice yellow balloons. And trust me (I went to Catholic high school where sex was a mortal sin) there will be predicaments and not all these sweet young things will want to accept their “baby” as a gift from their god. But a nice yellow balloon, particularly when the sweet young thing is giving birth to the child of somebody who beats the crap out her (maybe even daddy?), will be a beautiful thing.
Wonderful. So nice to see the bright, sunny, youthful group stand for babies. There is hope.
Yeah, what we need are lots more babies – particularly those birthed to teen moms and poor women. Third world poverty with lots of babies. Now, that’s a plan.
@CC:
No one is necessarily saying we need more babies. We just believe the already living children should not be murdered. Is that really so extreme?
So nice to see that CC is so compassionate to the girl who gets herself into a ‘predicament.’ lovely, just lovely. Unfortunately it looks like the Catholic upbringing of compassion was not absorbed too well in that Catholic School. pity.
And maybe, thinking positively, that mom and child will be welcomed by their family, friends and the baby’s Daddy. More people are good than bad. Let’s look on the bright side. It’s a lot better than thinking that abortion (the ripping apart of a pre-born youngster) is AOK (or a beautiful thing) as they say.
Hey if the children are in the womb – they are already here! It’s the pro-abortionists that don’t want more babies.
Shhh, don’t anyone alert CC but there’s a baby boom coming as early as this summer.
More babies, more babies, more babies!! Woo hoo!! A baby born today will be out of medical school, practicing, and paying back his student loans in 2040. A baby born today who doesn’t go to medical school, but instead gets some vocational training will be paying taxes in 2031. And a baby who’s born today is not paying taxes yet, but has that “new baby smell” that’s better than anything put out by Chanel. Mmm, babies!
And trust me (I went to Catholic high school where sex was a mortal sin) there will be predicaments and not all these sweet young things will want to accept their “baby” as a gift from their god.
CC,
That’s a very good point. It’s a very difficult thing for parents – to tell their children that they should remain chaste but at the same time to let them know that if they fail, they shouldn’t be scared to death to tell them about the pregnancy and scared to death about the responsibility involved in raising a child. They need to know that having a baby out of wedlock is always the better moral choice over abortion. They should know that a baby is their responsibility, and not grandma and grandpa’s if they do get pregnant. (A little fear can be a good thing:)
A baby born today will be out of medical school, practicing, and paying back his student loans in 2040. A baby born today who doesn’t go to medical school, but instead gets some vocational training will be paying taxes in 2031
And a baby born today will be in prison, or dead, or working in some dead end job used to pay for meth.
See it works both ways.
“Pro-choice? That’s a lie! You don’t care if women cry!” (referring to abortion coercion)
CC says:
February 28, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Yeah, what we need are lots more babies – particularly those birthed to teen moms and poor women. Third world poverty with lots of babies. Now, that’s a plan.
Why should we be telling them overseas to kill their own? Have you ever thought about the fact that foreigners might take issue with our giving them advice on something that is none of our business? With friends like ”U.S.” who needs enemies?
Also,
What’s with all the negativity? Have you no hope???
“More people are good than bad”
Not if they destroy the environment and not if they are not able to be sustained. For those children who live on the streets, in third world countries, more is not good.
That reminds me of a joke:
An optimist sees the glass as half full.
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An engineer sees the glass is the wrong size.
Lol!
@ninek and @CC:
You’re getting into the wrong argument. We don’t let people live or die based on what their future might be. If that had any bearing on the value of life, we should be going around killing homeless people and drug addicts to “better society.”
Obviously, no one would ever condone or support that atrocious idea, yet, that is the very “solution” suggested by many supporters of abortion; the people just happen to be younger, and we don’t really have any idea what their quality of life may be…
“Pro-choice? That’s a lie! You don’t care if women cry!” (referring to abortion coercion)
How bout forced childbirth coercion? How bout “my body my choice” – referring to mandatory childbirth for those who get pregnant.
You’re getting into the wrong argument
Children born in barrios stand little chance of rising above them. Unfettered reproduction is as bad for the children as it is for their mothers – but I know that folks here think that unfettered reproduction (quiver full) should be the norm. Lots of other, more enlightened folks, think differently. thankfully I live in an area of the country where the idea of women as incubators is not embraced.
Gosh, CC, I think i will ask my niece – who was born to an unwed teenage mother – if she would rather have been aborted than to have been raised in the absolute poverty she lived in. Or perhaps i will ask her three beautiful children, or her loving husband.
Maybe i will ask my sister why she just didn’t kill her while she was still pregnant.
I wonder if she will tell me that the trials and effort were worth it, or if she will think that going to college, instead of raising her child, would have made her happier now.
My niece? She considers herself the luckiest woman on earth…..and absolutely respects her mom’s choice.
BTW, some of the signs from the weekend marches for choice were great. One of them was “If I wanted a congressman in my uterus, I’d have sex with him!”
@CC:
If what you’re saying really has any bearing on this issue, would you also support killing the “children born in barrios” after they’re born? Why or why not?
would you also support killing the “children born in barrios?” Why or why not
If you mean abortion (as “killing”) yes, I fully support it. More poor babies means less opportunity to get out of poverty. The gangs of street children in the slums of Catholic Brazil know all about that.
@CC:
I edited my comment for clarity. Any change in your response?
A friend of mine, an Episcopalian woman priest, went down to Brazil and spoke to slum women about contraception. They were so grateful for the information which was not readily available to them. And “barrios” is the Spanish term. The Portuguese term is “favela.”
You’re not answering my question.
I edited my comment for clarity. Any change in your response?
As the “Torah” informs many Jews – once a fetus passes the birth canal, it’s a “person.” Prior to that it belongs to the woman who carries it. An abortion is a surgical procedure. Nothing more, nothing less.
CC at 5:56 said: BTW, some of the signs from the weekend marches for choice were great. One of them was “If I wanted a congressman in my uterus, I’d have sex with him!”
More ignorance of biology from the proaborts. Color me surprised. The only males ever in your uterus, barring surgeons, are your sons.
@CC:
You’re still completely avoiding my question. Here it is again in case you forgot:
If what you’re saying really has any bearing on this issue, would you also support killing the “children born in barrios” after they’re born? Why or why not?
Here’s the thing, Andrew. You have no right to anything I carry inside my body. Once it’s out, it’s governed by the law. Prior to that, my rights take precendence. My fetus is not a person. It’s a wholly owned subsidiary of me. In other words, my property as much as my gall bladder and my uterus.
ok – so it’s a rational that says – if you are poor, you should get an abortion, and if you are going to use environmental resources, you should get an abortion.
Honey – news-flash for you – poor women use less resources than rich ones. Sorry! Try again!
And by your logic, Barak Obama, Oprah, Beethoven and others of modest upbringings, should have been aborted. I hope you told our president that to his face. I’m sure he’d be very happy to know you thought he should not have been born.
And CC – in what instance would you actually want people to give birth? After all – your mother did!
And I thought you were going to stop slamming Catholics. Would you say such things about India? Muslim countries? Protestant areas? Native Americans? Any population that you might not approve of? Just what would it take for a human to get born in your opinion? Would any qualify?
On a trip to the Middle East a few years ago, I got to meet lots of the kids that CC wants dead. Sure they’re poor. Some had no shoes. Some were pick-pockets. But some were very enterprising and actually made money selling rocks, plain old rocks, to the tourists for a dollar! I loved their tenacity and their smiles. Many have learned how to say hello in several languages (to better sell trinkets to the tourists).
Some rich American kids are so spoiled and self-absorbed, they can’t even say hello in English.
Bottom line is: they all deserve the air they breathe, which is still free.
The only males ever in your uterus, barring surgeons, are your sons
Metaphorically speaking the GOP House wants to take possession of women’s reproductive organs. Limited government cept when it comes the uterus and that’s when “big daddy” wants you.
Per usual, Pro-Life puts more effort into their presentation and gimmicks than into actually supporting children and women.
This is funny and sad at the same time.
Abortion will always exist.
Some were pick-pockets. But some were very enterprising and actually made money selling rocks, plain old rocks, to the tourists for a dollar! I loved their tenacity and their smiles. Many have learned how to say hello in several languages (to better sell trinkets to the tourists).
Oh, aren’t these little street urchins so cute. Meanwhile, you go back to a much better place and their moms keep having more cute little street urchins. Forgive me if I don’t want this for America.
presentation and gimmicks than into actually supporting children and women
Which party is pulling funding from WIC programs that benefit women and their babies? Which party is pulling heat subsidies from poor families? Which party wants cutbacks to “welfare” and subsidized child care for women who need to work to support their babies? Which party wants to cut back educational programs for poor women?
“My fetus is not a person. It’s a wholly owned subsidiary of me.”
Now, that’s not fair. If I can’t compare abortion to slavery, then neither can you!
haha! CC, you crack me up!!
CC:
You’re either avoiding me or forgot about me. Please see my comment here.
The ignorance of biology I was referring to, CC, was the fact that the sign maker obviously misunderstood that HAVING SEX WITH A MAN MEANS HE’S IN YOUR UTERUS. Epic fail. Kind of like Rep Speier’s description on the House floor of her miscarriage due to her baby moving from the vagina to the cervix. Um, no. It saddens me that women in this day & age are so utterly ignorant of such basics—but even worse is that these are the same ones making life and death decisions for others.
My property? I thought women’s rights was about not treating females as property.
CC — your logic is warped. 50% statistically speaking, are females. And more ‘middle class’ babies means more trouble getting out of the middle class? And one more baby on your block means that child will have a hard time getting out of the neighborhood? Yikes. Glad you were not a philosophy major. Or having anything to do with public policy.
Epic fail on all accounts.
Argh…. this is frustrating. You’re ALL – pro-choice and pro-life – in the wrong argument here.
Potential quality of life has no bearing on whether we should kill a small person!
And one more baby on your block means that child will have a hard time getting out of the neighborhood?
One more baby for a woman in poverty means lots more than one more middle class baby or are you so oblivious to what poverty is all about especially in third world countries where too many poor people breeds environmental disaster and political instability.
Glad you have nothing to do with public policy.
Epic fail on all accounts.
And BTW, one more child, in a middle class family could mean theat they slide from middle to lower class. Or it could mean a mental health problem for a parent. Or if it is a handicapped child, it could mean a drastic change in family dynamics.
I don’t know what kind of rose colored glasses you wear but babies are not necessarily a good thing. But then you folks live in a happy land where babies are always welcome and there is no family dysfunction.
we should kill a small person!
It’s not a person!
A strong majority of Colorado residents attested to that.
I am so glad that I live in an area where the educated class values family planning and ignores the bishop – an area where Planned Parenthood is a revered institution. An area where women get abortions and nobody, cept for the zealots, care!
CC- you seem to be missing the point that Andrew’s trying to make. You’re assuming that whether someone’s born or not determines their right as a person. You wouldn’t approve of a family killing one of their children who was already born would you? You’re arguing your point without seeing the real question – a question that Andrew has repeatedly brought up and that you have repeatedly ignored.
You’re arguing your point without seeing the real question – a question that Andrew has repeatedly brought up and that you have repeatedly ignored
One more time – a fetus is not a person. So the whole “killing” thing is not an issue – but for you it’s the BIG one.
Why shouldn’t they be given the same rights as everyone else? And should a majority really decide what’s right?
Yep, that’s CC logic: might makes right.
What are the crucial differences that make someone who is born a person and someone who has not been born a “non-person”?
Is it location? I should hope not. That thinking could mean that I am only a person in certain places.
Is it the fact that they rely on another? EVERYONE relies on others! I’m pretty sure we’re all people though!
How crazy is it that some people take better care of their cats than they do their fetuses?
Lolz, “the educated class.” That reminds me, I’ve got fifteen more days to sign up for the bar exam.
CC, what’s your point in being here? You haven’t changed anyone’s mind. You’re wasting your own time, and you’re helping us by giving us an opportunity to work on articulating our arguments. You don’t present a picture of a pro-choicer that your fellow pro-choicers can be proud of; you come across as elitist, snobby, and patronizing. It’s so repetitive that you’re not even entertaining anymore. Do you think all of this is actually doing anything for your cause?
Also, you’re still on my prayer list. Tell me if you want your name to be in a different color or if pink is okay.
@CC:
Really? Science and medicine disagree, and so does former Planned Parenthood president Faye Wattleton:
I think we have deluded ourselves into believing that people don’t know that abortion is killing. So any pretense that abortion is not killing is a signal of our ambivalence, a signal that we cannot say yes, it kills a fetus.
– Faye Wattleton, Ms. Magazine, 1997
Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.
A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).
– Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.
Do you still believe the unborn is not a living human being?
Marauder
Don’t be rude. It kind of makes it seem like you’re just as bad. Anyways, it seems like he/she’s left….
And who knows? Perhaps we CAN convince him/her to switch sides! It’s happened before.
People just need to try to look at the issue without bias.
So just because you don’t see something or believe something – it (they) don;t exist. Too bad. Reality is that things are – and that humans have worth. You may not want a situation or even wish one away – but not recognizing reality is a shortcoming, and very dangerous.
If you are so concerned about poverty – what, short of abortion, would you do to help? just because abortion is not a BIG issue for you – for that child, it’s a BIG deal – after all his or her life depends on it.
THAT is why people with the power, means, money, resources, desperation, force or any other such thing should not make decisions regarding the well-being – or even life – of another in a more powerless position.
As a woman, please consider this from that standpoint. Would you like a big man to decide what HE thinks is a BIG deal with you? Of course not.
So any BIG person, female or male should not decide the demise of another – especially one smaller and defenseless.
It goes back to the golden rule – do unto others as they would do unto you. But do try, please to recognize the others as human – because they are.
Okay, I will try not be rude to CC – who I truly would like to see become pro-life. It will be difficult, but I’ll do my best.
Loved the flash mob and all the young faces joyfully declaring Roe v Wade has got to go! The survivor generation knows that 1/3 of us are missing.
Rod Parsley right now on Breakthrough opened with Gosnell and is offering MAAFA21 to his viewers.
“It’s not a person! A strong majority of Colorado residents attested to that.”
Facts and truth are determined by a democratic vote? If 51% of Colorado voters claimed that the sky is green, would that make it so? How ludicrously unscientific. Why does the left claim to stand for science and against theocracy when they oppose laws based on Biology 101 and demand laws based on ancient Jewish jurisprudence?
“you come across as elitist, snobby, and patronizing”
So true. The ironic part, the pro-choice movement is so classless and tacky. Say whatever you want about the pro-life movement, but I cannot picture my snobby, elitist family in Connecticut standing around waving phalluses and signs about sex, as I have seen in pictures from these Walk for Choices.
The flash mob is awesome! I saw it on another site and was hoping Jill would post. I’m in the middle of very loooooong labor and it sure brightened my day.
Folks, what’s the point of responding to Artemis/CC? She’s shown herself to be totally classist and unwilling to share he world with po’ folk. Leave her to her elite ghetto of “I deserve to be on this planet but the lower classes don’t” types. She’ll be getting old real soon and likely receive care from people she would have rather seen dead. Cats and hubby wont cut it. Let her open her mind to being thankful for people from all walks of life then.
Until such time, dialog with her makes about as much sense as a social worker
who holds contempt for the people she’s supposed to serve. Twisted.
Mary Ann,
You’re ”in the middle of a loooooooong labor”, as in having a baby?????
Best wishes and prayers to you!
I keep seeing pro-choice people claiming that pro-life people don’t care about the baby once he or she is born. (As a pro-life person I believe this is completely false.) I think we need to continue to get the message out that life at all stages of development is important. We need to push for better adoption laws and emphasize that we support assisting the poor. For example, the arguement is that by defunding Planned Parenhood, women are going to lose out on other health benenfits they receive. Well I fully support my taxes assisting the poor in receiving medical assistance through Medicaid at a doctor’s office or community health clinic. Not in place that dismembers a fetus (meaning little one) in the name of medicine.
“Forced birth” is a rhetorical, political term created for those who support abortion rights & scientifically is a joke because pregnancy & birth is a natural process, which uninterrupted, would continue until the natural termination of the pregnancy by birth. However, on the other hand, a theraputic or elective abortion is an invasive & artificial surgical procedure which forcibly ends a pregnancy. But enough with word semantics & rhetoric. The fact of the matter is that one study looking at abortion coercion found disturbing results:
* 52% felt rushed, 54% uncertain,
* 64% feel pressured to abort, yet
* 67% had NO counseling beforehand,
* 79% were not told of available alternatives 1
* 84% were not given enough information to make an informed choice.1
Which can have devastating results on the women:
* 65% suffer symptoms of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome
* 31% suffered health complications, some of which are life-threatening
* 65% higher risk of clinical depression
* Death rates from all causes are 4.5 times higher
* Suicide rates are 6 times higher. 1
Also, coercion into abortion can escalate into violence against the woman if she refuses to have an abortion. Many pregnant women have been killed by partner’s seeking to end the pregnancy & prevent the birth. In fact, women are at higher risk of violence while pregnant..4 Homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women.5
What we need is not more abortions for these women, but better resources & safe places they can turn to, as well as earlier intervention & better screening at the clinics for relationship violence & coercion.
1. VM Rue et. al., “Induced abortion and traumatic stress: a preliminary comparison of American & Russian women” Medical Science Moniter 10(10):SR5-16 (April 2004).
4. Julie A. Gazmararian et al., “The Relationship Between Pregnancy Intendedness and Physical Violence in Mothers of Newborns,” Obstetrics & Gynecology, 85 :1031 (1995); Hortensia Amaro et al., “Violence During Pregnancy and Substance Use,” American Journal of Public Health, 80: 575 (1990); and J. McFarlane et al., “Abuse During Pregnancy and Femicide: Urgent Implications for Women’s Health,” Obstetrics & Gynecology, 100: 27, 27-36 (2002).
5. I.L. Horton and D. Cheng, “Enhanced Surveillance for Pregnancy-Associated Mortality-Maryland, 1993-1998,” JAMA 285(11): 1455-1459 (2001); see also J. Mcfarlane et. al., “Abuse During Pregnancy and Femicide: Urgent Implications for Women’s Health,” Obstetrics & Gynecology, 100: 27-36 (2002).
Mary Ann: May all go well for you and the little one! God bless your family.
I didn’t have time to read each comment.
Was I the only one to notice that the pro-death squad’s signs were black and red? The irony being black=death and red=blood.
How fitting.
WAY TO GO LIFERS!!! GOOD WILL ALWAYS CONQUER EVIL!!!
I am proud to say I was one of the prolife youth at this rally! IT WAS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY AWESOME!!! thank you for the prayers and love.prayer is the only way we can ever end the holocaust of abortion (besides yellow balloons of course), so keep it up!!! and we are urging people to start more events like this in their areas. PROLIFE WILL NOT BE IGNORED ANY LONGER!!! everyone, please spread this video around!!! prolife doesnt get any media attention, so were spreading our message of joy and love as best we can! send it to all your friends!
“BTW, some of the signs from the weekend marches for choice were great. One of them was “If I wanted a congressman in my uterus, I’d have sex with him!””
CC,
This is unfortunately another example of the lack of scientific knowledge of the pro-death sqad; during coitus, a congressman could never actually enter the uterus. You all should go back to school and learn some anatomy.
CC. How old would your daughter b right now?17… 25, 30-the same age as me? Why r u defending something that stole the most beautiful person away from u and profitted from ur hopelessness? I am so sorry that u felt so alone, and werent protected especially when most vulnerable…
CC, I have been there too. Was pregnant as a teen, scared, alone.Brokenhearted because a man used me for sex and replaced me. I assumed a child would ruin my goals, dreams…life. I judged her, sterotyped her…even thought she would have a horrible life. I was ready to dispose of her without takn time 2 find out who she was. CC, several things happened and my daughter’s life was spared. But I will tell you this, once I gave her a chance and got to know her,I suddenly loved her so strong that I was willing 2 sacrifice my own life 2 save hers.When siding w abortion, I had had no idea of who I was loosing.We r not your enemy, neither was your child. I am sorry for ur loss,my heart goes out to u.Will b here 4 u, even if u hate me.
“As the “Torah” informs many Jews – once a fetus passes the birth canal, it’s a “person.” Prior to that it belongs to the woman who carries it. An abortion is a surgical procedure. Nothing more, nothing less.”
Keep your Torah off my ovaries? It’s ok to bring religion into things as long as it happens to support what you already believe? This argument can be and has been made from purely secular, biological facts about the continuity of human development. You ignore that because you have no answer to it.
“Here’s the thing, Andrew. You have no right to anything I carry inside my body. Once it’s out, it’s governed by the law. Prior to that, my rights take precendence. My fetus is not a person. It’s a wholly owned subsidiary of me. In other words, my property as much as my gall bladder and my uterus.”
But you’re ignoring his point. If your argument is: “abortion is ok b/c it doesn’t destroy a human life”, then make the argument that it’s not a life. Don’t bring up other arguments that wouldn’t apply BUT FOR the fact that you make the initial assumption that it’s not a life. So if you wouldn’t kill poor infants, then don’t make poverty a reason to support abortion. Your reason for your support is that you think a fetus is not a life until it is completely out of the birth canal. Our reason for opposing it is that it DOES destroy an innocent human life. That’s the argument.
“I live in an enlightened, classy, educated state” in 3…2…1…. (seriously, we need to make that into a game of some sort. I’d say we need to do it w/ the Catholic bashing, but it’s so ubiquitous that it there’s no element of sport.)
@em: You and your fellow pro-life marchers ROCK !!! The babies thank you and so do we !
It’s so refreshing and encouraging to see so many YOUNG people standing up for LIFE.
These pro-choicers REALLY need to come up with some new mantra’s. The one’s they’ve been using for the past 38 years are as old and tired as the I Love Lucy reruns.
CC,
Fetus means, “Young one”, or baby, in Latin.
Baby means, “Young child”.
Child means, “Any person or thing regarded as the product or result of particular agencies, influences, etc.,” as well as, “a human fetus,” and, “An unborn or recently born person.”
A fetus is the product of sexual intercourse
A person is a human being
Life is “the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional plant or animal from a dead body,” and, “a state of living characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction.”
Do embryos and fetuses have metabolism? Yes. Do they grow? Yes. Do they react to stimuli? Yes. Do they reproduce? Yes (or, at least, their cells do).
Oh, and those definitions are from medical and scientific dictionaries, specifically Merriam-Webster’s Medical Dictionary and The American Heritage® Stedman’s Medical Dictionary.
Louis Pasteur’s Law of Biogenesis says that a species can only procreate after it’s own kind. In other words, a fetus of humans is also human.
In other words, “fetus”, “baby”, and “child” are three different words which can be used to define the same creature. That creature is an unborn human being, a person.
She or he not a “piece of tissue”. She or he is a child, not a choice.
You see, I do not believe in classifying scientific facts by what the law says, or what popular opinion says. I believe in taking scientific fact as scientific fact. Science, no matter what anyone believes, is pro-life. Many scientists may be “pro-choice”, but if they actually took science seriously, they would see the truth.
Abortion is taking the life of a human being, a person. She or he is not a bunch of cells. She or he is a person, whether you like it or not.
As for saying that it is wrong for a poor person to bear a child into the world because of the probability that the child may or may not come out of poverty, that is a sad excuse. My grandparents were dirt poor. They had 14 children, of which my dad was the youngest. My grandparents said that every single child was a blessing. They were very strong Catholics, and, therefore, our family is Catholic and pro-life. There was no lack for love in that house. All someone needs to live is love, not money. Yes, life is more difficult without money, but that does not mean that it is any better with money.
Furthermore, all of my aunts and uncles, as well as their children, and as well as my dad, went on to do wonderful, great things. You would not believe me if I told you how much my family has made a difference in everyone‘s lives, even your own (trust me, your life would be much different). My family has done a lot for this country and for the world, and if it were up to you and your movement, we would not exist. I find that extremely insulting. Everyone makes a difference in this world. Even if it is so much as smiling at someone, giving them hope so that they can pick themselves up and do something great, everyone makes a difference in this world.
If you are really against poverty, do something about it. Help the poor. Donate food, clothing, money, toys, etc. Give them shelter. Befriend them. Help them get transportation to where they need to go, give them somewhere to shower, help them get jobs, etc. Killing them is not going to do anything. Prohibiting them from reproduction is not going to stop them from existing. Poverty only exists because someone with money and power decided that someone else was not worth their effort, was not worth living, or did nothing to help when disaster struck (my grandparents were poor because my grandmother’s family lost their farm and livelihood in the Dust Bowl, and because my great-grandfather on my grandfather’s side was very ill). Poverty continues to exist because others let it happen, do nothing to stop it, and do nothing to help get the poor out of their situation. THAT is why poverty exists.
Please, spare me the insults. Spare all of us born of impoverished families, or families that came from poverty. Please: stop using us as an excuse for murder! Thank you.
As for which party did what, I really do not care. People should be giving to and helping the poor, and supporting the things they believe in because they want to, not because the government will take their house and put them in prison if they don’t. Also, there are pro-lifers in the Democratic party as well, because the Democratic party used to be pro-life. Democracy upholds the rights, freedoms, and responsibilities of all, and one responsibility is to respect everyone’s right to life. Socialism and Communism are “pro-choice”. Those people in the Democratic party who do not uphold that responsibility should leave the Democratic party, and form their own Socialist party, plain and simple.
CAUTION: LINK IS NOT FAMILY APPROPRIATE
RHReality Check is really proud of the 10 best pro-choice signs at Saturday’s rallies:
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2011/02/28/best-walk-choice-signs-across-country
Such filth. These people are mentally ill. Funny how the MSM gets obsessed with a handful of (probably planted) inappropriate signs at Tea Party rallies but ignores the ones the pro-aborts brag about on their official websites.
In a way, it makes me feel hopeful. They’re so out of touch with normal American sensibilities that they’re going to alienate everyone who comes in contact with them.
(The art work is also dreadful, but that’s neither here nor there).
I enjoy reading everyone’s positive comments, especially em and our resident laboring mother! Thank goodness views like CC’s are going the way of the dinosaur. I’m so glad I don’t live in a community where everyone revels in killing pre-born children and plots to “cleanse” the world of “street urchins.” I’d rather eat a mayonnaise sandwich than have to face her mug in the mirror each day.
thanks for the link, Henrietta. The opposition doesn’t stand a chance!
Woo hoo, Mary Ann’s in labor! I’ve been praying for you and your baby like you asked. Dominic, right? :)
As for saying that it is wrong for a poor person to bear a child into the world because of the probability that the child may or may not come out of poverty, that is a sad excuse.
One of the greatest things about America is that no one has to stay poor as long as they’re willing to get an education and work hard. Even if you can’t afford to go to school past high school, you can always go to the public library and read books about lots of different topics. My great-grandfather came to America as a teenage Polish kid who didn’t speak English and ended up being an real estate agent. I’m not sure if he finished high school or not. My grandfather finished high school and also became a real estate agent. My dad studied really hard in high school and went to college. He put himself through college and law school by unloading freight and working at a slaughterhouse. (Very un-PETA.) I’ve never had to work to get through college and law school because he worked so hard (and because I’m an only child).
I think so much of how people succeed in life depends on whether people expect them to succeed. I’m reading the book Gifted Hands by Dr. Ben Carson, a surgeon who grew up as a very poor kid who lived in a slum. Despite the family’s financial situation, his mother always expected that he and his brother would do well in school and work hard. She didn’t assume that her sons couldn’t be educated because they were poor or because they were black. In my mom’s family, every kid was expected to go to college, and every kid did except for one who went to vocational school for carpentry instead. In my dad’s family, everyone was expected to graduate from high school, and they did graduate from high school. However, they weren’t expected to go to college, and my dad is the only one with a college degree. If you go around acting like poor people can’t get out of poverty, a lot of them won’t get out of poverty. It doesn’t cost anything to give people hope and encouragement.
You’re getting into the wrong argument. We don’t let people live or die based on what their future might be. If that had any bearing on the value of life, we should be going around killing homeless people and drug addicts to “better society.”
You’re right Andrew. How many of us have a crystal ball? We don’t know how someone’s life will turn out. A child born into a “good” family may turn out bad, and vice versa.
As for the favelas in Brazil — yes, they are terrible. But there are many organizations, including many that are Catholic based, that try to help these children — the Maryknolls, Salesnians, etc. I’m not Catholic and I don’t agree with some of the church’s teachings, but they DO do a great deal to help the poor and afflicted (including those with AIDs) something that CC and many others ignore in their nonending hatred of religion. Many church leaders in Latin America are in the forefront of social justice movements for the poor, often at their own peril — ever hear of Archbishop Romero?
I’m so glad to see young people taking a leading role in the prolife movement. We (old people) need your joy and optimism.
There once was a little boy who brought milk to a little old lady, and helped give her a bath. He cared for the other poor around him. He studied, worked hard in school and became a doctor. He brought the little old lady to live at the hospital where he worked.
I don’t remember the name of the doctor or the film/documentary about this. Does anyone else remember this story? I wish I could remember whether it was a favela or a barrio. (It’s so nice of cc to be able to spell the locations she wants to cleanse of the poor).
CC,
Some of the most prolific writers/speakers did not have the “elite education” you so revere. Some of them were home-schooled, or self-educated. Some of them never went to college–or never went beyond an equvilent of an Associate’s Degree.
Having an “elite education” doesn’t mean you’re better than everyone else.
Mother In Texas: You’re right, some of our greatest presidents did not have college degrees, including Abraham Lincoln, who was mostly self-taught. Truman didn’t even graduate high school. Also, some of us here have advanced degrees, some even from “good” schools, but we don’t trumpet them. Why? Because we know it’s what inside a person’s heart that counts, not the piece of paper hanging on their wall.
Father Corapi has said many people are “educated into imbecility.” So true!
MIT
Great example of man born into poverty, the product of criminal rape, [his mother repeatedly raped by his sire] self educated, escaped from slavery, fled to the north, became a pro-lific writer and spokesperson for the abolition movement, president Abraham Lincoln appointed him to positions in his administration and publicly identified him as his friend.
‘Frederick Douglas’
If Frederick Douglas were alive today how would he respond to inane prattle of CC, Joan, Rober Berger?
“The slave is a human being, divested of all rights-reduced to the level of a brute-a mere”chattel” in the eye of the law-placed beyond the circle of human brotherhood-cut off from his kind-his name, which the “recording angel”may have enrolled in heaven, among the blest, is impiously inserted in a master’s ledger, with horses, sheep, and swine…
He toils that another may reap the fruit; he is industrious that another may live in idleness; he eats unbolted meal that another may eat the bread of fine flour; he labors in chains at home, under a burning sun and biting lash, that another may ride in ease and splendor abroad; he lives in ignorance that another may be educated; he is abused that another may be exalted…
The slave is a man, “the image of God”, but a “little lower than the angels”; possessng a soul, eternal and indestructible, capable of endless happiness, or immeasurable woe; a creature of hopes and fears, of affections and passions, of joys and sorrows, and he is endowed with those mysterious powers by which man soars above things of time and sense, and grasps with undying tenacity, the elevating and sublimely glorious idea of a God. It is such a being that is smitten and blasted. The first work of slavery is to mar and deface those characteristics of it’s victims which distinguish men from things, and persons from property…It reduces man to a mere machine. It cuts him off from his MAKER, it hides him from the laws of God, and leaves him to grope his way from time to eternity in the dark, under arbitrary and despotic control of a frail, depraved, and sinful fellow man.”…
CC: “BTW, some of the signs from the weekend marches for choice were great. One of them was ‘If I wanted a congressman in my uterus, I’d have sex with him!’”
I must have missed the part when you gave us any evidence that her Congressman said he wants to have sex with her.
AWESOME POST PROLIFERS!. How many of us have seen God take those that were considered the”unfit human weeds”, the “imbeciles” as Margaret Sanger would say and they become the great musicians (Beethoven), doctors (Dr. Ben Carson), scientist (Dr. George Washington Carver), etc. etc. etc. of the world and actually change the world. We have no idea of what any child will become “For I know the plans I have for you says the Lord, plans to proper you, not for your destruction or harm but to give you a hope and a future.” Jeremiah 29:11. My awesome husband blesses me so much because of the terrible odds he overcame an alcoholic, abusive, deadbeat father who abandoned his wife and children but God allowed his godly mother with help from his grandfather and uncles to raise him to be a loving, brilliant, compassionate man who earned 3 college degrees (summa cum laude), provided for his family, a loving husband and father. Never underestimate the power of faith in God, loving discipline and prayer. His story reminds me a lot of Dr. Ben Carson’s story because my mother in law only had about a 6th grade education, she earned a GED after she was in her 40s but she was a very wise, strong, prayful woman of God. I am so greatful that God doesn’t make any throw away kids, mistakes or accidents. Every life is precious. I am so glad abortion was not considered a “reproductive choice” for a “poor woman” like it is now because I could have missed one of the greatest blessings of my life.
CC: Metaphorically speaking the GOP House wants to take possession of women’s reproductive organs.
Me: Insincere argument given that CC believes those so-called property of the women should be forced on the men who don’t want them after birth so they have to pay child support. If the unborn are such properties of women where no one not even the fathers have a say, then be consistent and intellectual honest and call for all eradication of child support laws requiring men to be responsible for things according to CC that were only properties of the women, not anyone else.
CC: Limited government cept when it comes the uterus and that’s when “big daddy” wants you.
Me: More either extreme dishonesty or just pure stupidity from CC.
Folks who are for limited government that are pro-life believe government is limited for sure but not when it comes to issues pertaining to our basic right to life, liberty, and property. Since we view abortion, we view as violation of right to life, so the government has to intervene against it, same way it has to intervene against rape, assault, slavery, different kinds of murders, etc.
You prove your bigoted ignorance with your remarks there.
And not all pro-lifers are limited government folks. There are liberal prolifers.
And contrary to your bigoted claims that oply RCC zealots are against abortion, so are conservative Protestants. So are liberals like former editor of Village Voice. There are libertarians for life as well as atheists and agnostics for life, as well.
CC, the truth is not in you.