Paranoia at Planned Parenthood
I love it.
Live Action has received an email from a girl named Lauren who described paranoia at a California Planned Parenthood she visited this week.
This is all good. It means more lives will be saved as every PP employee in the land worries s/he is being videotaped or bugged at every turn. Staff will go overboard to ensure they’re complying with the laws in their state. About time.
The mass paranoia will also translate into employees quitting who say they don’t need this.
One nugget from the email. PP may be planning a rally in DC. Would love for pro-life activists to descend on their rally, if it comes to pass, with hundreds of huge graphic pictures of aborted babies.
Here’s the email. I’ve broken up the paragraphs for easier reading:
I walked into a Planned Parenthood this morning with the intention of picking up some of their brochures to use as examples for a project.
Two escorts, a man and a woman, greeted me. I told the woman I was a student at a local State University doing a project for a class that required gathering information on sex-ed programs. I told her I thought PP would be a good resource and might have some pamphlets I could use as part of my research. She told me there are two sections of PP. She took me to the community outreach section.
As we were walking in, two staffers were walking out carrying signs. We approached them and the escort asked what they were up to. They replied, “We’re going to a protest.”
I asked the escort what that was about and she said (in a very serious tone) that recently there has been a bill proposed to get Planned Parenthood de-funded and it looks pretty serious so that is why they are holding a protest to get people motivated to oppose it. I acted very shocked so she excitedly went on a little more.
Finally we came to the desk of the woman I needed to speak with. I explained my situation a little more, who is one of their outreach coordinators. She started questing me about my class, my professor, etc… I didn’t really have answers because I wasn’t expecting her to want this much detail so I played it off as being uncomfortable giving her that information. She assured me that my professor wouldn’t be contacted. I asked if she could just give me some pamphlets that they hand out to anyone but she still hesitated to give them to me. So I told her I would talk to my group and email her that information. She said she would be more than happy to put together a packet of brochures once I get her that info.
As I was walking out the escort noticed that my hands were empty and said, “Oh, I’m sorry honey, I even looked in the clinic for you and there is nothing there, no pamphlets, nothing even in the waiting room.”
I began to tell her what happened and she immediately said, “Well, we are having to be extra careful nowadays. They probably hesitated in giving you information because of all the undercover people that have been coming into our clinics.” I pretended to not know what she was talking about so she continued. “They have been doing this for years but recently they sent a fake pimp and prostitute and caught a clinic manager saying some inappropriate things.”
I asked her why they would do this, and she basically said that there are extreme anti-choice groups that are trying to take down Planned Parenthood by any means necessary. She went on about how upset she is that this necessary health care will be taken from women. I was just nodding my head.
Then she said that she thinks there will be a big rally/protest in Washington D.C. (the best part was she equated this rally with the ones in Egypt – and she was serious) to ensure that PP doesn’t get de-funded by Congress. She said that she would fly out there in a heartbeat if they were to put one on, even though she doesn’t have the money. She was a very passionate pro-choicer.
In a sly way, I asked her if PP is getting scared or if they think they will overcome this since they are very popular and a lot of women use their services. After stumbling through a few excuses for hope, she said yes, they are scared but are going to do whatever it takes.
Then I asked what she does as an escort and she explained that they walk women into the clinic because of the “crazy pro-lifers” who yell inappropriate things at them. She told me that today was a quieter day so I was lucky. :) I thanked her for her help, got her name, and left.
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Then she said that she thinks there will be a big rally/protest in Washington D.C. (the best part was she equated this rally with the ones in Egypt – and she was serious) to ensure that PP doesn’t get de-funded by Congress.
!!! And the abortion defenders have the gall to accuse pro-lifers of making inappropriate comparisons?!? How could anyone possibly unironically equate a rally to try and maintain funding with protests and rioting against a tyrannical dictator? Unbelievable. (Apologies for the punctuation abuse. :P)
That’s right, PP!!!! You better start shaking in your boots because Hell hath no fury like millions of scorned women (and babies)!!!! Keep moving forward, Warriors for Life; we’re getting closer!!!!!
Amen, Kayla!!
My wife tells me that I should not be enjoying this so much.
For years, I have prayed outside of a PP abortuary for conversion of the hearts within.
And now, those who remain are starting to feel like Hitler in his bunker. I am sorry about the pleasure I take in their discomfort.
Three thoughts:
– Planned Parenthood fears that they will lose their $360M annual federal subsidy. They will have been clobbered by a grassroots movement that gets no federal subsidy. It will then be pro-life v. pro-choice on a level playing field… we’ll see who helps women the most.
– If 25,000 pruny old pro-choice women march on DC, will it get 1/10th of the media attention afforded to the 250,000 pro-life marchers last month?
It won’t matter — the legislators already saw the March. Nancy Pelosi will address a decimated crowd, and know the truth.
– When the history of this era is written, the hunnerts of thousands of pro-life leader-hours will be personified in the 22-year-old Lila Rose. (Much like Harriet Beecher Stowe embodies the abolitionist movement.)
I’m okay with that!
The beauty in all of this is that it’s the young people who are coming after PP. Lila is clearly old enough to be Cecile Richards’ daughter. The youth know better. They see with the eyes of love and are fighting with an equal vengeance. PP will fight back hard, but it’s all over for them.
Richards is a Baby Boomer, so she ought to know from personal experience. She is now the establishment, and the youth are rebelling against that establishment. Not even Cecile’s treachery can overcome the tsunami bearing down on her operation.
Richards is a Baby Boomer, so she ought to know from personal experience. She is now the establishment, and the youth are rebelling against that establishment.
Hey, like, don’t trust anyone over thirty, man. ;)
Gerard,
My eldest teenager is embracing the prolife movement!! He has watched 3 sibling pregnancies after him. The ultrasounds taped to the fridge, the tape recordings of little heart beats, the growing belly, the kicking and finally THE BABY!! TA DA!!
The younger generation SEE and HEAR and KNOW and want better for themselves and their peers.
They also know how many are missing.
It seems to me that one becomes paranoid when they have something to hide. If PP is on the up and up(can you be on the up and up while killing children??)why are they getting in a twist??
Marauder,
LOL :-)
Carla,
I agree. They do hear and see and know. I think they also crave the idea of an adult telling them that they are special, that their bodies are special, that they were meant for so much more; and in that light see Planed Parenthood as enabling the predation.
If PP were a legit organization, they would have embraced Lila Rose. They would have done their own internal quality control and fired people, had criminal charges pressed, and sought revocation of medical and nursing licenses. They would have awarded Lila a Margaret Sanger Award (not that Lila would accept).
But you and I know better. As a friend used to joke,
“Beauty is skin deep, but ugly goes right to the bone.”
All she wanted was some pamphlets. Why the paranoia? It’s not like she was asking questions. She just wanted pamphlets that already would have been approved by Planned Parenthood’s leadership. Unless even the pamphlets themselves are full of treachery.
Also, notice that Lauren deceived the escort to get more information from her, acting like she didn’t know about Lila Rose and pretending to be pro-abortion, or at least not pro-life.
I am completing my degree at a secular University. I am a bit older than most of the students (in my 30’s). A few times I have presented information on NFP. Wow! You would not believe the response I received. These kids are so hungry for the truth. I was bombarded with questions. Most of them say that they have “never heard about it,” except in terms of the old unreliable rhythm method. We pro-lifers need to keep offering the alternatives to young people - NFP information, chastity education and Pro-life Clinics. Where America goes the world will go. Trust me on that, I grew up in a foreign country and saw the influence of the US. Remember that David beat Goliath with one little stone.
Hi Carla 11:10am
Exactly. PP employees adhere to the strictest ethical standards. They know the law and will enforce it with immedicate calls to law enforcement. Bring it on!!
Hi Mary,
YES! I am sure PP has nothing to hide!!
Gerard,
Again I say YES! PP should be giving Lila Rose an award for bringing this to their attention!
Hi Gerard,
Great point. Well, Cecile did say that she personally went to some high ranking law enforcement officer to report this pimp. Sure Cecile, and what did Superman have to say? I’m more inclined to believe in Superman.
Cecile, if your employees had just done their jobs you would have been spared an unnecessary trip, not to mention that huge ostrich egg covering your face.
I just checked PP’s website and this cuaght my eye on the Political Action screen:
“…This bill would eliminate all federal funding for Planned Parenthood health centers — including funding for birth control, cancer screenings, HIV testing, and more. ”
Why can’t Cecile Richards state the “A” word even when asking for help from her ilk?
What I want to know is what’s in the pamphlets? If they’re so worried about undercover people finding something bad that they wont give these out what is in them? Obviously something bad/wrong. Some kind of nonsense. Probably about fetal development or getting around the law I’d guess.. But if they’re so worried they wont even give out pamphlets they’ve made to help women because they know it can be used against them there must be something terribly wrong in them. Has anyone ever seen one? I would really like to know what they’re hiding now.
W-W-What? Why didn’t they give the young lady a copy of “Happy Healthy and Hot”? It’s such a nice little piece about how HIV positive teens should behave and abstinence doesn’t even get a mention. I just can’t imagine why they didn’t have a handy stack of them to give out, gee golly wilikers. ;>)!
Sarah: That is great! They will learn more about how their bodies work and may even later discover any health problems (which CAN be found in certain methods of NFP). Keep up the great work.
It looks like the PP has something to hide alright. A lot of PP supporters argue that these recent incidents that have been exposed are just isolated and try to downplay the whole thing. But stories just keep coming out and you can only say something is isolated so many times before it becomes a pattern. Why are all these employees so worried about exposing information anyway? This email is a big sign that the pro-life group is a threat to PP and now has the upper hand.
She said anti-choice groups are trying to take them down by any means necessary, as if they are doing something unethical. All they are doing is recording what the PP employees are saying and doing, no one is really lying or stretching the truth here. That’s all the pro-life side needs to do, keep exposing the truth and fighting with the facts.
What they need to do is pass a law stating when any agency distributes information that intentially misleads or is incomplete that they can be held accountable in civil court. It’s a scientific fact that abstinence is safer than any other birth control method and the scientific community has known since DaVinci’s time or probably before that the preborn baby was just that and not a bunch of cells. I’m thinking such a law probably allready exists.
Sarah,
Keep up the good work. Contact me at this address claveau@earthlink.net Send your address and I will be happy to send you a complimentary copy of my book “Birth Control and Abortifacients. It is well documented and should help in your classes.
“Victor Claveau has provided a valuable tool to bring understanding and acceptance of the Church’s view on artificial contraception, amassing data in a most comprehensible manner from the fields of theology, philosophy, sociology, psychology, and medicine. A genuine tour-de-force that should be required reading in all marriage preparation courses, as well as in classes of moral theology in Catholic high schools and colleges.”
– Rev Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Ph.D., S.T.D., Editor, The Catholic Response
If Planned Parenthood gets defunded, Cecile Richards will have to fire her assistant who reads all the comments on this blog. So I’m going to make my suggestions to Cecile while I can:
Dear Ms. Richards,
if you want to save your organization from utter ruin, you will need to enact a great number of reforms, FAST. I suggest that you copy the policies that the Catholic Church has installed to ensure the safety of children within our Church.
1) Video cams in every exam room. So when LiveAction comes in to sting your people with hoaxes and edited videos, you will have real evidence to provide to law enforcement.
2) When counselling a minor, always have two trained counsellors in the room. The second person is there to make sure that the primary counsellor follows all laws and policies.
3) Full training of all staff in the details of fetal development. Have a textbook available in every room, so that the same answer is given to every client. Heartbeat starts at Day 22-23, in every clinic. Have a real-size chart of fetal development on the wall in every exam room.
4) Partner with a crisis pregnancy center that will offer help to women who are considering life for their children. Make it clear that you will support their choice, either way. If you want save Planned Parenthood, you are going to have to drop the hard-selling tactics of your abortion business.
5) Learn how to raise charitable funds like any other charity. The time of taxpayer largesse is over. The public have lost faith in you, and we are borrowing money just to cover necessary expenses anyway. America can’t afford to be in the free contraception business anymore. If people won’t contribute to support your “good works,” then maybe your works are that good.
There. That’s my advice to Cecile. I hope she hears it, because I’m going back to devoting my energy to saving women from her clinics. At least now, I feel like it’s a fair fight. (On Dec. 10, Lila posted that she had funding for more investigations in early 2011. Let it never be said that our adversaries are not warned!)
“And now, those who remain are starting to feel like Hitler in his bunker. I am sorry about the pleasure I take in their discomfort.”
Let’s not get overly dramatic. If PP is defunded or Roe gets overturned, the gov’t is not going to burn down the clinics with the workers inside. At the very worst, they will just have to get other jobs. If abortion providers just get defunded, they will have to choose between doing abortions or getting the money. Anyone care to guess what they would choose?
Some wsdom from Jedi Master Yoda…
“A Jedi’s strength flows from the Force. But beware the Dark Side. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side of the Force are they.”
I really don’t think it matters how someone compares one rally to another rally/revolution. The exaggeration was intended to show how many people stand with Planned Parenthood.
I understand how strongly you feel as to your rights about being pro-life, and I think that is great that you are so passionate about it. But it is unfair for you to inflict that on other people, or label abortion as what planned parenthood stands for.
Planned Parenthood is an organization that receives its funding for health centers for birth control, cancer screenings, HIV testing, etc. If you ever needed medical attention, for whatever reason — for HPV, HIV, or even if you needed birth control of plan B, Planned Parenthood’s funding goes to this. There are many young women that are still in school, too young, embarrassed to ask their parents, etc for preventative measures such as birth control and contraceptives, so this organization is set up to attend to these needs.
And OF COURSE Planned Parenthood is paranoid. It is no secret that the House wanted to, and just did pass legislation to defund them.
I have never needed any services from PP, but I stand with them and I think it is an incredible organization for all of its support, and I even donate to them. PP is provides reassurance to me, as well as all individuals (including YOU!), that there is support, as well as options, if you ever needed assistance with reproductive health. Imagine you were at risk for cervical cancer– maybe it is common in your family or maybe you have contracted HPV. PP provides services to anyone and everyone, including those who’s health insurance does not cover reproductive health, or those who’s health insurance is non-existent.
PP really does an array of incredible things to help women, so this legislation is really a blow to all of us. So many anti-choice individuals are forgetting to bigger picture: that PP doesn’t represent itself as an abortion clinic; it stands up to protect women’s reproductive health. Rather than argue about our differences, women should be reuniting to stand up for their rights to health care (and by that, I don’t even mean abortion).
DC,
Nice try….but I can support other organizations that provide the same healthcare services and not have to have abortion on my conscience. If they are such an incredible organization, they’ll survive without government help. Businesses do it every day.
Hi DC.
Your argument seems to be based entirely on the premise that abortion is not the unjust taking of a human life. However, this is the very thing that we claim abortion does. Since PP does roughly 300,000 a year, anything else they do is pretty much inconsequential, if abortion indeed does take a human life. No one would ever argue that although I may molest half a dozen or children or so a year, the other services I provide are much needed and thus I should not be taken down. Well, it doesn’t matter WHAT other good I do or provide for people. If I am involved in openly, legally, and blatantly molesting children every year as part of the plethora of services I provide, than anything else I do does not matter.
Thus it all goes back to the original question about what is abortion? If it isn’t the taking of innocent human life, then your argument has much more weight. But if abortion does take the life of an innocent human being, than anything else that PP does doesn’t matter. They need to be brought down, or at the very least stop engaging in such a wicked practice. God love you.
What about the reproductive health of all the little girls babies who die in abortion? Their reproductive rights are non-existent (as are their lives). What about their health? Their rights?
Oh – and i talked with two juniors in HIGH school this morning (it WAS a school day, BTW) here in Illinois. One of the girls was on the Depo shot – was having a constant period due to the artificial hormones, and was not sexually active for 2 years, despite being on hormones. So tell me – what does PP do when a minor, at age 15 or less, gets on hormones for sexual activity? Were the authorities called two years ago? Is she getting proper medical care when her body was reacting like it was to the artificial hormones?
I think not.
PP portrays itself as providing health services to women.
They do not treat high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease, cancer, mental difficulties, autoimmune disease, migraines, vascular disease, addictions, allergies, broken bones, arthritis, digestive disorders, bone diseases, blood diseases, HIV/AIDS, natural hormone imbalances, neurological disorders, mood disorders, birth defects, pediatric diseases, colds, flu or any such thing.
PP basically insures that people have sexual lives, no matter the deviancy, and are there every step of the way to cash in.
Except of course if a woman actually has a baby.
Oh – and they are the single largest provider of abortions – in the US and the world.
Amen, Janet @ 3:08!
so this organization is set up to attend to these needs.
This organization is set up to UPSELL abortion to clients who come in for other services.
PP provides services to anyone and everyone,
Except those they refer to other providers because they can’t afford PP’s fees.
So many anti-choice individuals are forgetting to bigger picture: that PP doesn’t represent itself as an abortion clinic;
Doesn’t matter how they market themselves, as long as they’re providing abortions, they’re an abortion clinic.
In addition – any monies they receive for any service enables ALL of their services to continue. I am amazed at how many women go into PP, not even thinking that their money will go to help fund abortions.
Even items that are ‘free’ fund everything. You see – Planned Parenthood doesn’t do anything for free. They may not charge YOU for a service – but their services are paid for by federal and state tax dollars, donations, fund-raising and grants – in addition to payments for services rendered.
Planned Parenthood always gets paid – in one way or another. And their money funds everything, including abortion.
joyfromillinois @ 3:16, 3:23,
Great points. Maybe the answer to this question is obvious, but, can PP dispense hormonal contraception to a teen of any age without parental approval?
Parents are losing their rights left and right. Forgive me for going off-topic a bit, but this link goes to a website which gives important information on securing our rights as parents in the USA, beyond PP issues.
http://www.parentalrights.org/
Well – school-run ‘health centers’ are often gateways for contraception and planned parenthood. I had a teen who was on the ‘patch’ contraceptive for 3 years – and she was 16 at the time I talked with her. And most teens have no idea that certain anti-biotics render the hormones useless.
We are seeing more and more that school officials and ‘health’ providers are very helpful in getting underage girls artificial hormones. Without parental permission in many cases and no mandatory reporting to anyone.
Never do they discuss that those same man-made hormones are a class I carcinogen, according to the World Health Organization. No mention that they artificially help your body to think it is constantly pregnant (not normal), can interfere with normal ovulation, raise blood pressure, can cause strokes, heart attacks and clotting problems. Never mind the increased breast cancer and ovarian cancer risks. And never talk about the pollution of our planet, since all those artificial hormones do to the physical environment – affecting ground water and animals since this is one waste product that is NOT normally filtered out in the waste water systems.
As a person whose family was harmed by artificial hormones (DES daughter) – I am not a fan of the artificial hormones and they are being handed out like candy. We know that the insult not only went to our generation, but apparently was also passed down to the next one. I hope my children can have children. And they have NO IDEA what will happen to our DES population during menopause. That has not been studied yet…
The federal funding that PP receives are not used to fund abortions. This money is solely for the use of women’s reproductive health.
I agree that it is a bad idea to take birth control. I think the hormones in them can be dangerous, hence why I do not take them. However, they should be provided for those who need them or find them necessary. It is the case with any and all medications that they can cause side effects, so there is no reason to make a deal out of one in particular. Think about the millions of women who take birth control and do not have such side effects. This is the choice the woman, or young woman accepts when taking birth control. Birth control must be accessible to women to prevent people from being in a situation where they could have an unwanted pregnancy. All of you keep reverting back to how abortion is the murder of innocent babies, and how they didn’t get a chance, etc. If someone wants to be sexually active, that is there choice, and no one can tell them that it is a sin or wrong. It is completely natural, and either you are having sex, and if you are not, you wish you were. There is no way to rid yourself of such urges unless you are castrated, and that is definitely not natural. If people have urges to engage in sex, they should have access to contraceptives and birth control. You cannot criticize and claim that it is wrong and all that nonsense. That is a matter of religious beliefs, and it is unfair for you to subject your views on others. Do what you believe is right and hold no one other than yourself accountable for your actions that stray from your beliefs. Young woman WILL have sex, and is best to provide them with the services they need in order to prevent them from ever having to make a decision regarding their pregnancy.
You all really do not understand the bigger picture– that women’s health rights are being taken from them. Whether you agree or disagree with abortion, the fact is, it IS legal. Unless abortion laws were changed, your arguments that ‘PP is bad because it performs abortions, so it doesn’t matter if they do good things, too’ are completely irrational. You are disregarding the fact that services for women, other than abortion, could be taken away from us. If your problem is with abortion, then you should fight to outlaw abortions, not to stop federal funding to an organization that complies with the law.
I understand you all are anti-abortion. And I think it is so great that you all are so passionate and instantly are triggered to explain to me why it is wrong. I am not saying I am pro-choice or pro-life, I am telling you the facts about preventing women’s rights from being taken away from them.
Additionally, I do not see the point is listing all of the things which PP does not do. Clearly they do not do everything, and I really don’t know of any organization that does do everything. But you should take into account the things they DO do. Of course we have seen some things that have gone wrong at PP centers, like the undercover “pimp.” But this is not substantial-enough evidence to discredit an entire organization. We hear of countless stories of priests molesting little boys, but we would not discredit organized religion.
This is all not meant to be an argument of abortion; it’s an argument as to why it is wrong to cut federal funds that are allocated solely for women’s reproductive health services. Because PP does perform abortions, you are all becoming side-tracked by the controversial issues, rather than THE REAL ISSUE: WOMEN’S RIGHTS. It should be a concern of all of you that we have services to protect our bodies. Whether you are young, old, trying to become pregnant, or trying to learn more about reproductive health, WE ALL need to have services available to us. Please stop becoming blinded by your passions and see what is really at stake. We need to come together to defend rights for reproductive health. Abortion is a completely different issue, and the time and place to defend or object to abortion is only in matters of legislation.
DC,
I love when people come to this blog, a PROLIFE blog to tell us what we should or should not do or think or should not think. And extend all kinds of helpful advice to us about how to channel our passion for preborn babies. It makes me laugh. :)
You do know you were once a preborn baby right? I mean as one former embryo to another I would think you would know where a woman’s body ends and her baby’s begins. I have been pregnant three times with little boys. That was not my penis. Not my body.
If PP STOPPED doing abortions I would have no problem with them. Stop killing innocent children and making me pay for it!!
Oh, I do support women’s rights!!! I support a woman’s right to be born.
Thus it all goes back to the original question about what is abortion? If it isn’t the taking of innocent human life, then your argument has much more weight. But if abortion does take the life of an innocent human being, than anything else that PP does doesn’t matter. They need to be brought down, or at the very least stop engaging in such a wicked practice. God love you.
Oh and DC?
The above quote was from Bobby Bambino which I thought was excellent!! You ignored it.
“PP basically insures that people have sexual lives, no matter the deviancy, and are there every step of the way to cash in.”
Close, Joy. The objective is to ensure that people have “HEALTHY” sexual lives. President Nixon signed Title X into law, though it was a bipartisan effort. The CDC had been conducting surveys on national fertility and found that women were reporting high rates of unintended and unwanted pregnancies, particularly young women and those of low socioeconomic status. It became clear that American women did not have equal access to quality family planning options. Thus, Title X was born. (Now, if there were universal healthcare, there really wouldn’t be a NEED for community medical clinics, or special funds earmarked for family planning, but that’s a separate issue).
And Joy…health care providers don’t like to use the term “deviant.” It’s a value judgment. It doesn’t matter if the patient is a heroin addict or a middle class mom of two. They both deserve the same standard of high-quality, nonjudgmental care.
Please please understand this defunding should NOT be an issue of abortion or not abortion. The funds PP receives from the government are STRICTLY used for women’s reproductive health, and CANNOT be used for abortions. I am not here to argue abortion or argue against abortion. I am telling you all of this because you really have to consider if you think it is okay that a organization that caters to women’s health should really stop being funded. I know that you are against abortion, and I believe your views are grounded and are coming from the right place. But the fact is, abortion is legal, and PP is doing nothing that is against the law. If abortions were illegal, PP centers would still be open since their purposes surpass abortion. If one believes that abortions should not be performed, it is strictly a matter of legality, and of not medical performance. Take up abortion with your local representatives and state senators. But we must hold PP as a center that adheres to our laws, whether we like it or not. You really must consider, do you think it is fair for $365 million worth of non-abortion-related services to be stripped from the women of our country?
DC,
Simply because an action is not illegal does not make it moral. Hitler’s genocidal programs were not illegal, but every person with a shred of decency condemned those involved. Contributing to PP in any way is to facilitate this modern genocide.
You argue that PP helps women with their “reproductive health” with the funds it receives from the federal government.
I submit that the organization does not provide any service that cannot and is not provided by doctors and medical facilities, which are not complicit in the genocide of abortion. In addition, birth control pills cause abortions, birth defects, and many other problems. How does the dispensing of these drugs help women?
PP encourages promiscuous behavior, which results in unplanned pregnancies, which may end in abortion, and contributes to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
I suggest that you do some homework, and come back when you are better informed.
Comparing abortion to Hitler’s mass genocide is both inappropriate and extremely offensive. You think the mass genocide of living, breathing, self-functioning individuals can IN ANY WAY be compared to the termination of a pregnancy? I understand you think that abortion is wrong and that it is unfair to take the child’s life, but ENOUGH with the inappropriate and exaggerated analogies. DO YOU know how many of my family members and my friend’s family members were lost in the Holocaust? NO, I BELIEVE YOU DO NOT. So, please do not tell me to do my homework, when you in fact, have not done your own. It is EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE to make such a comparison to someone who has been so affected by such a tragic event.
And yes, maybe other medical clinics provide these services, but these kind of things cost money.
And birth control does not cause abortions, because the egg isn’t being fertilized. An unfertilized egg is not a human being. This is equivalent to you saying that every time a woman ovulates and does not fertilize the egg, she is having an immoral abortion. And it is also the same saying that sex with a condom is an abortion. These would be logically equivalent statements under your definitions. And no one in their right mind would claim this to be an abortion. Your name is Victor, so you could never understand the discrimination us women face under the law, nor could you understand what a woman goes through knowing that she is bearing or will one day bear a child. It is offensive for you to make any kind of accusations about the occurrences inside our bodies.
Your ignorance in your words and accusations offends me in every way as to who I am. Next time before making such comments on a website, I think you should evaluate the appropriateness and accuracy of what you are saying. I cannot tell you the pain I feel reading your exaggeration to Hitler to express your feelings toward abortion. Your feelings are your beliefs, and the truth value of such words does not reach that of a statement of words. You cannot put forward your feelings and make such offenses, regardless of your strong passions on a matter. The fact is, your belief regarding abortion is a belief. Choose your words wisely. The fewer [exaggerated] analogies used within your words, the more credibility your argument gains. Analogies are a common logical fallacy of any argument that can easily discredit your words. So next time, you do YOUR homework, because I am certain that I have done mine.
DC,
Legalized abortion has cost many more lives than the WWII Holocaust. The Holocaust cost the lives of six million innocent Jews. Between 5 to 11 millions others were exterminated by Hitler’s SS. While these numbers are horrible in themselves, the abortion holocaust has taken the lives of approximately 53 million in the U.S. alone. Countless more millions of babies have bee killed by direct abortion, worldwide.
Both holocausts are unconscionable. While nothing can be done to change history, we do have the opportunity to stop the ongoing slaughted that takes place by PP and the other abortionists across the country.
The “Pill” does not always prevent pregnancies. It has been estimated that between 600,000 and 3 million babies are conceived and subsequently aborted each year in the U.S. as a resuly of the Pill. I have done extensive research on the subject of the Pill and have written a book on the subject entitled “Birth Control and Abortifacients” and would be happy to send you a copy if you provide your address, and promise to read it. E-mail: evangelization@earthlink.net
My belief is based upon fact, not emotion.
@ DC: I will only speak for myself when I offer any apology that you are offended and upset given your family’s history. When I think of genocide or a holocaust in general, I think of how many innocent lives are taken and I believe that is what abortion does. Please also know that either side of this debate will be extremely passionate with their beliefs and words and people are bound to be hurt and I DO NOT WANT TO OFFEND YOU IN ANY WAY. All I am asking for anyone out there who is saying the birth control is not an early abortion, is mistaken. It does not prevent an egg from becoming fertilized, but it instead creates a hostile environment within the uterus preventing a fertilized egg from implanting because the birth control leaves no uterine lining for the egg to implant. I had the same belief you did until my husband actually showed me medical documentation showing me the truth. Has someone on here actually said that using a condom is actually an abortion? If they did, that is definitely not true, you are correct about that. I hope they mean that a condom is not guaranteed to prevent pregnancy or stds. Finally, (I know I’m rambling here, sorry) as a woman (and of course I’m speaking for myself), I believe the discrimination that is happening is coming from the medical fields at abortion clinics or doctors offering birth control, that don’t give us all of the information out there. We don’t get all the info of the harm that birth control or abortion can do to the woman. I’m not just speaking because that’s what believe, I’m speaking from experience. I’m one of those women who regrets the decision of aborting not only one but two babies. I cannot tell you of the downhill slide my life took for the longest time. Who could I be to have wanted to do that? I’m not looking for sympathy, I’m not looking for your acceptance. I guess I just wanted to be one of those people that will not attack someone for what they believe in. You are obviously passionate about your beliefs and your family. I totally understand when it comes to defending my family, the grizzly bear comes out in me and nobody better cross me! I genuinely hope you read this and know that in no way, shape or form am I writing this to offend.
Hello AZ4Life!!
My abortion was the most horrifying experience of my life and I wanted to thank you for making your voice heard here!!! Thank you for sharing your story.
DC
As far as offending someone or being offended goes I once read some very wise words.
To be offended means to “take” offense at something or someone. We don’t have to take offense. That choice is ours to make.
I choose not to “take” offense at those who call me a whore or a slut because of my abortion.
Hi DC.
I too share my condolences for you and all those of your family and family friends that were lost in the Holocaust. I can’t even imagine what that is like, and I can only try and show compassion to such a horrible loss.
That said, there is one part of your reply that I would like to focus on, independent of any reference to the Holocaust.
“You think the mass genocide of living, breathing, self-functioning individuals can IN ANY WAY be compared to the termination of a pregnancy?”
Here is the main problem with this question. It assumes that a certain attribute is what makes human beings valuable and worthy to not be killed. Let me take them one at a time:
“living”
Are you here implying that the embryo is not living? It certainly is living. It undergoes cell division, and it is an integrated whole in the sense that given the proper nourishment and environment, it will grow through all stages of human life, from zygote to embryo to fetus to baby to toddler to child to teenager to adult. It is a biological fact that we all began our existence as embryos (or went through teh embryonic stage). I can get any number of quotes from biology and embryology textbooks for you to verify this. So the embryo is most certainly living.
Please note that I am simply addressing what seemed to be your claim that teh embryo is not living. I am in no way saying the fact that the embryo is alive is therefore reason not to kill it.
“breathing”
Now is this what makes someone have dignity and moral worth? True, the embryo does not breath. Does it therefore follow that the embryo is worthless? Why did you include breathing in your list? Is breathing what is valued in beings? May I kill an adult who is on a machine which breathes for him? Breathing is certainly not what makes us valuable, and so just the fact that some humans can breath while others cannot in their stage of life is no reason to kill them.
“self-functioning individuals”
Let me take the second part first. The embryo is biologically a distinct individual. As I am sure you are aware, it has its own unique set of DNA (a necessary condition to be a human being, not a sufficient one). Now, what do you mean by self-functioning? As I mentioned above, the embryo is self-functioning in the sense that its growth comes from within. It is not like a car where others put parts together to create it. Rather, it grows itself. Although this requires proper nourishment and environment, that is true for all of us. If you take away planet earth (a proper environment) and put us in space or the bottom of teh ocean, tahn we too could not be called self-functioning anymore than the embryo who is outside the womb of the mother.
Thus I do not see any of your comparisons between adults and embryos as being morally significant. God love you.
Sorry, just got caught up in the moment of the holocaust analogy. I wasn’t trying to give such a literal meaning, but your points are all valid, and thank you for your kind words and this information– and I mean that with the utmost sincerity.
I completely understand, DC. I appreciate your calm demeanor, and the calm and sincere way in which you discuss and ponder these questions- a rare thing to find in such a divisive topic. God love you.