Abort albinos
Feminists for Choice has a post up, “Albinos in Tanzania are being raped for AIDS cure”:
In Tanzania, albinos, individuals with pigment deficiency, are being murdered for black magic purposes, and albinos girls are being raped because individuals believe they are a cure for AIDS…. [A]t least 63 albinos have been raped or murdered. The body parts of those murdered are used in black magic potions and spells to improve others’ love lives, business, or well being.
This is a horrific tragedy. But I have a solution. The National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation reports preborn children can be tested via amniocentesis to determine if they are albinos.
Because we can readily anticipate Tanzanian albino children – particularly girls – will be unwanted children, and that they stand a great chance of living unhappy lives in abusive societies, I think they should be aborted. I agree with F4C in another post that “every child should be wanted and well cared for.”
So I was surprised by Pinky’s solution at F4C:
I believe education could have prevented the rape and murder of hundreds of albinos in Tanzania….
In Tanzania, individuals are left to believe word of mouth that states albinos are not human and have magical powers. As a result, innocent albinos are stripped of ownership of their lives and bodies when they are raped or murdered….
It is amazing to think about the problems that can be solved through education. Attacks on education in many instances are attacks against one’s ability to choose. If individuals are not aware of their options, then the lack of education limits their ability to make their own choices. I believe many of us forget that attacks on education are a pro-choice and feminist issue.
I am really, really surprised by Pinky’s response. On the other hand, F4C opposes ultrasound legislation as “unnecessary, and patronizing” for fear it is “cloaked in anti-choice language that views women as agentless and incapable of coming to their own conclusions about what is best for their bodies and their lives,” even though its purpose is to educate mothers about the “lives and bodies” of preborn children, so even if they’ve been otherwise told that the children “are not human,” they can learn the truth.
But isn’t the logic abortion proponents apply to informed consent before abortions the opposite of the logic they apply to albino murders?
Oy, just when I thought we might have a breakthrough…
[Photo via Huffington Post]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Since this info posted by pinkie on a pro-choice site – I hope that the education she is advocating is not the education that if you know you are going to have an albino child you should have an abortion! So killing the child is preferable to helping the culture re-educate itself about this issue and protect the albino people?
The real education here should be that violence in any form should not be tolerated. Protection for these women and children should be provided. Education against the black magic rituals and practices need to be addressed, and the education into how HIV/AIDS actual is transmitted should be what people are educated about.
Gosh – talk about targeting a population for extermination based on the pigment of their skin.
How is aborting this segment of human society any different than purposefully aborting children because they were black, or any other specific race?
Lord have mercy. What are these people thinking?
“This is a horrific tragedy. But I have a solution. The National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation reports preborn children can be tested via amniocentesis to determine if they are albinos.
“Because we can readily anticipate Tanzanian albino children – particularly girls – will be unwanted children, and that they stand a great chance of living unhappy lives in abusive societies, I think they should be aborted. ”
This illustrates how utterly bankrupt Feminists for Choice are, both morally and intellectually. Albinos are now the latest class to come into their sights.
The AIDS crisis is as bad as it is because people are being told that condoms are safe. Alan Guttmacher reports that condoms have a 17.4% failure rate, using unintended pregnancy as the benchmark. Considering that women are fertile for only a few days out of the month, and that not all ejaculations lead to pregnancy during ovulation, this eliminates an incalculable number of condom failure events that would make that 17.4% rate vastly higher.
It is little wonder that Guttmacher has used the most absurdly restrictive benchmark to establish a condom failure rate. From the standpoint of public health, that is a ghastly misleading number, and the frightful numbers of AIDS cases in Africa bear that out, as STD’s (including HIV) are orders of magnitude easier to contract than pregnancy.
So the very problem created by the acolytes of the Culture of Death can now best be resolved by preemptively killing innocent albinos? Really?? If death is the solution, then logic would dictate killing all HIV+ individuals to eliminate the reservoir of virus in the population; but then that would be an immoral quagmire as well.
The solution to the albino’s dilemma is to first inflict capital punishment on the rapist as an immediate deterrent. Secondly, let me dust off one of the liberals’ favorite cures for societal ills that they have eschewed in favor of death as the new cure: EDUCATION.
The ABC program for prevention that was used to great effect in Uganda, as well as educating all HIV+ people about the medical treatments available, thanks to the scores of billions of dollars made available for treatment, beginning under George Bush’s presidency.
Ripping apart potential victims of rape in their mothers’ wombs is about as morally and intellectually bankrupt as it gets. It is the logical end of radical feminism.
Once when confronted with an individual who I knew would lie to get their way and the result of their lie would compromise the safety of someone whose safety is my job, I could think of no solution it looked like evil would win. So what I prayed because he loved to talk was that he would and talk he did and the more he talked the more he lost because his heart was not right. That’s how I feel about the advocates of abortion they assume, because their heart is not right, that talking will win the battle and I’m believing it will too. Except the battle won will result in live babies not dead ones.
Irony alert! Nobody is advocating aborting albinos — yet. It was a joking, Swiftian proposal. Please read the piece again!
Gerard,
I’m pretty sure that was Jill being sarcastic.
Sorry, I would’ve posted earlier, but I passed out from all the irony.
The pictured albino has got a serious Steven Tyler thing goin’ on.
*In America, individuals are left to believe word of mouth that states fetal humans are not human and only magically become human after birth. As a result, innocent fetuses are stripped of ownership of their lives and bodies when they are legally killed in abortion….
Fixed it for her.
Does Tanzania have a abnormal number of albinos? I was just wondering if there is a reason for the large numbers of albinos being born there.
The fact that they think black magic is the cause or cure for AIDS shows the answer to the problem is education.
Doug,
Seriously? Are we 7?
Many multiples of it, Carla.
Sorry, I would’ve posted earlier, but I passed out from all the irony.
*like*
xalisae – Could you inject anymore drama into your last post…
So by “word of mouth” you mean the American Medical Association and the majority of OBGYN’s in this country?
And by “Stripped of ownership of their lives and bodies” you mean they somehow own their own body while they are still trapped and surviving off the body of the person who created them?
And by “magically become human after birth” you mean the moment when they become an independent person by leaving the vessel that created it and takes their very first breath of air and begin to live on their own?
And by “Legally Killed in abortion” you mean removed from its life giving and life sustaining source of food and oxygen by means of a medical procedure performed by a licensed physician that is supported by the majority OBGYN’s and protected by U.S. federal law for over 40 years?
I passed out from all the irony.
Hemochromatosis?
LOL Doug you can’t make fun of Steven Tyler in here because after all the drugs, drinking, orgies, baby mommas, and single handedly destroying one of the best bands to come from Boston, he is Pro-Life now…. LOLOL
Biggz
This is in to your 4:51
Does she need to explain it to you a little more. Are or you just willfully ignorant. I’m hoping you stay ignorant if your able to see and find it fluffs up your ego to demean individuals whom you know are right. And I hope the next time you are dependent on the mercy of someone else you get just nervous enough to feel a portion of the terror the unborn feel. That enough drama for you?
typo: Or are
I guess it would seem “dramatic” to someone with a complete lack of any sort of empathy whatsoever. However, it’s not. It’s completely accurate. Let’s begin, shall we?
So by “word of mouth” you mean the American Medical Association and the majority of OBGYN’s in this country?
Please show me where any sort of medical professionals have stated that gestating humans are in fact not human beings. As a matter of fact, I’ve even seen statements from OB/GYNs who are currently practicing abortionists state the contrary. They can comprehend the humanity of the unborn, they’re just not as content to live in denial as you are and have moved past that to justification of the killing in their own minds. To facilitate your education, here are some links:
http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html
http://www.naapc.org/why-life-begins-at-conception
And by “Stripped of ownership of their lives and bodies” you mean they somehow own their own body while they are still trapped and surviving off the body of the person who created them?
Yes. Their body is not the same material as their mother’s body, and they are a different entity. Therefore, they own their body. Location does not determine identity. I’m inside of my house right now, but because I am inside of my house does not mean I am part of my house. Also, nourishment and how/where that is obtained does not dictate who or what an organism is. When I was in school and living with my parents, they supplied me with food. That didn’t mean that I was a part of my father’s/mother’s body, or even that nourishment given to me which I ingested and which fueled my actions. Lastly, who created you and your dependence on them does not govern your life’s worth. That I shouldn’t have to explain, but what the hell, you probably need it. Which child’s life is worth more: the child whose mother agonized over not being able to properly provide for very much loved child and eventually gave him/her up for adoption, or the child who was forcefully removed from the custody of careless and negligent parents who were happy to see the child go and hated him/her? Answer: it’s a tie.
And by “magically become human after birth” you mean the moment when they become an independent person by leaving the vessel that created it and takes their very first breath of air and begin to live on their own?
OK-first I have to get something out of the way about this statement. Excuse me, but did you just refer to a mother as a “vessel”? That is BEYOND degrading, sir. I love how your side seems to care so much for women until we start gestating. No wonder some women feel like killing their children in utero is their only option, with @#)$*@’s like you running around. I hear this kind of crap all the time from your side-“broodmares”, “incubators”, “vessels”-and yet WE are supposedly the “anti-woman” party in this dispute. I’m so sick of the hypocrisy that just seeps out of every pore of the pro-abortion camp. I’m a mother twice over, and hope to be so again soon. I am a strong, intelligent, valuable individual and contributing member of society, and I am no mere “vessel”.
But I digress. On to your ignorant statement: are you seriously implying that those who cannot sustain themselves are not “independent persons”? Does that mean a dialysis patient is some kind of robot, or at the very least a cyborg? Are they a sub-human sect of homo sapiens to you? I’m afraid you’re going to have to elaborate on that part.
And by “Legally Killed in abortion” you mean removed from its life giving and life sustaining source of food and oxygen by means of a medical procedure performed by a licensed physician that is supported by the majority OBGYN’s and protected by U.S. federal law for over 40 years?
Yeah. That. You know what else were legal and medically-supported “procedures”, protected by U.S. federal law for decades? Medical experiments conducted on blacks back when slavery was legal and accepted, because they were deemed as inferior lifeforms, much the same way you’ve passed judgment on gestating humans now. Check out a book I found: Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present. OB/GYNs also have a pretty big financial stake in keeping abortion legal. My mom used to work for one who did abortions. She tried repeatedly to offer women coming in for abortions a file the practice kept that was 1/2″ thick with each page therein being a different family that was looking to adopt a child. She was reprimanded by the head nurse and told by the physician that she shouldn’t because abortion was good money. So please, forgive my skepticism when you talk about the medical establishment. Oh, and also:
http://www.aaplog.org/
http://med.studentsforlife.org/
Well I go to Tanzania every yr. there is an island where the albinos are taken as a refuge from the witch doctors. Sometimes the mother takes the baby there and leaves the baby to be raised by others and sometimes she stays there with the child.
There is a Tanzanian pastor who did his doctorate degree on this issue and is working on doing something sort of GAP style to put this problem “in your face” One of the things he did was to organize a march through a major city with graphic pictures of what they do to albinos. This is to wake up those who know better but are trying to pretend this is not going on. sort of like why are you allowing this to go on….what are you doing to stop it and protect these people. Again, like GAP, why are we allowing preborn children to be treated like this. Why does this crime go unpunished? Yes, in the bush there is still witch doctors who do this. But the police do not prosecute and the people do not stand up against it. God bless this pastor for taking this GAP style stand. He has the right idea….rail against the complacency of those people who are not standing up for the albinos.
Just a quick toss out, the level of albinoism is fairly constant in the overall population wherever you are in the world, but it does tend to run in genetic lines so in places where albinos are seen as evil or subhuman, as they are in many places in Africa, they tend to marry within their subculture (if they marry at all) which results in higher population densecities in some areas. In predominately white populations an albino can go all but unnoticed, but in a predominately bacl (or brown) population albinos are highly visible.
Jesprin
I find genetics fascinating.
Yes keep laughing Doug and Biggz.
Such a hilarious topic, yes??
Yes, yes F4C we know, kill the innocent victims, after all it’s their fault for being born, couldn’t possibly be the rapist or magicians fault!
*crickets* Yeah. I thought so.
what do you guys expect from Doug? Sensitivity? :P
Instead of working to protect these people and changing the hateful attitude towards them, better to just abort them. Really? This is the best they can do?
Angel
This is in response to your 6:35
I think that’s just a rhetorical question right. What do you guys expect from doug? Sensitivity? I expect him to sound like he knows what he’s talking about and he always does but I don’t expect him to ever champion the cause of the unborn because for whatever reason he chooses not to. So he always comes off sounding very politically correct but if the unborn were waiting on his words to contribute to their rescue they would be waiting a long time.
In general I find it easier to converse with Doug than the majority of the other pro-choicers/pro-aborts. Not because Doug supports the pro-life side, but because often he’s been respectful and polite. But that’s just been my experience in talking on this blog with him.
So thank you, Doug, for at least being polite when I’ve talked to you. I know we rarely see eye to eye, but I feel like I can converse with you on the topic rather than just have a war of words.
Mother-In-Texas
I’m o.k. with people like Doug to a point because I feel like you that he’s always polite. What wakes me up though to what he’s o.k. with is the pictures of the dead aborted babies. That reminds me visually what he and people like him support. So in situations where life is involved I think truth trumps politeness. And if he’s going to argue eloquently for a mothers right to choice he needs to be reminded that true eloquence at least in my opinion would never sabotage an individuals right to life.
Most obscure sarcasm I’ve ever read. And I know satire.
Dan says:
May 23, 2011 at 6:48 am
Most obscure sarcasm I’ve ever read. And I know satire.
I wasn’t being sarcastic. I don’t agree with Doug, but I do appreciate respect.
Myrtle Miller said:
So in situations where life is involved I think truth trumps politeness. And if he’s going to argue eloquently for a mothers right to choice he needs to be reminded that true eloquence at least in my opinion would never sabotage an individuals right to life.
I agree the truth is most important when it comes to abortion and I even said I don’t agree with Doug. I have no illusions about his pro-choice/pro-abort stance. I am staunchly pro-life and I very much wish Doug was, too.
X – You have a very small understanding of DNA, Human Genes, biology and most importantly evolution. Yes a fetus is made of the exact same materials as any other living thing on this planet including the mother. No one said they are not the beginnings of a human being but they are far from being a person with rights that trump the rights of its creators “mom and dad”.
Yes a woman’s womb is a vessel to bring new life into our world. No feminist would take offence to that and nor should you as it is biology. As for your dialysis analogy, any person on dialysis is already a person. They became a person when they were born and any subsequent medical problem is after the fact.
If you don’t trust doctors then that’s your problem. Most American do and are only able to give you their opinions because they were saved by a doctor in their lives. My father has beaten three types of cancer on three separate occasions and is still golfing thanks to doctors. I would have died at 5yo had I not been saved by two doctors. When I ask my family doctor if abortion is killing a baby and he says no its a fetus i believe him.
Oh and please stop with the drama filled lines “The fear or pain the fetus feels when aborted” they don’t and there is no creditable evidence saying otherwise. They don’t feel and they don’t fear. They do not even have a nervous system developed enough to transmit the fear or pain to their brains let along comprehend it.
You guys try to inject so much emotion into this debate but there just are no scientific grounds to justify your emotions. You are just projecting your feelings onto a fetus.
Let’s not pretend that those pictures you guys hold up are in any way current. Most are so out of date you guys don’t even know where they come from. Most abortion done today are morning after pills which of course look nothing like the signs you hold up. in fact they are so small you might even miss it when it comes out. In most cases it is a fertilized egg of a day or two. Ultra sounds would be of no use for a morning after client but Planned Parenthood offers ultrasounds to all pregnant clients, most just refuse due to the extra time it takes. No little bodies ripped apart, nothing even recognizable.
Your scare tactic and propaganda kung-fu is very weak…
No one said they are not the beginnings of a human being
????? If they are the beginnings of a human being, when does the middle of a human being start? When does the end of a human being start?
Biggz
Your in denial. Nervous systems consist of nerves. Google what are the function of nerves and then educate people how the pre-born have to feel pain when being aborted. I dare you.
X
I thought your points were excellent.
Mother In Texas
I think he was saying we were both guilty of sarcasm. Maybe not but I was using sarcasm to make a point. I only do it when I’m really mad or when I’m insulted and I’ve been taking my vitamins. The Christian in me would like to see Doug’s position on abortion change but I just don’t see that happening. He’s very comfortable with deceiving himself and others. I’m hoping your right though and I’m wrong. Abortion cost him nothing. If everytime a child in America were burned in their mothers womb and he felt some of the heat and/or their limbs torn apart and his own limbs come out of their sockets and/or if their not completely dead when their head hits the cement maybe then he would think differently but of course I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy so I doubt seriously Doug will be converting anytime soon. Your to be commended though for your faith.
“Google what are the function of nerves and then educate people how the pre-born have to feel pain when being aborted. I dare you”
Google frogs legs in the laboratory and then educate people how the pre-born have to feel pain when being aborted. I dare you
I doubt seriously Doug will be converting anytime soon. Your to be commended though for your faith.
Myrtle,
I didn’t say anything about Doug becoming Prolife anytime soon, I said I WISHED He was. Whether or not he does is up to him and God.
Your to be commended though for your faith.
Thank you. Without it, I have nothing.
P.S. I do have a very sarcastic sense of humor, but in this case I wasn’t being sarcastic. If I was, my posts would’ve been terribly rude and that wouldn’t have gotten the pro-life stance anywhere.
Mother-In-Texas
P.S. I do have a very sarcastic sense of humor, but in this case I wasn’t being sarcastic.. If I was, my posts would’ve been terribly rude and that wouldn’t have gotten the pro-life stance anywhere
I can’t imagine you being terribly rude but in my opinion terribly rude is much better than terribly wrong. And 40 years have been wasted trying to pacify people who need to grow up and see that their feelings don’t amount to much when compared to the deaths of millions of babies. What are your thoughts?
Biggz: LOL Doug you can’t make fun of Steven Tyler in here because after all the drugs, drinking, orgies, baby mommas, and single handedly destroying one of the best bands to come from Boston, he is Pro-Life now…. LOLOL
:: chuckling :: That may be, Biggz. ; )
You know, though, I wasn’t making fun of him – I just thought that pictured albino looks like him in the face. Still do, for that matter. Amazing that this would be a big deal to some people.
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Mother In Texas: In general I find it easier to converse with Doug than the majority of the other pro-choicers/pro-aborts. Not because Doug supports the pro-life side, but because often he’s been respectful and polite.
Thanks, Lone Star Mom. The ranting and raving we sometimes see really has more to do with the person doing it, and less with the issues.
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Myrtle: I’m o.k. with people like Doug to a point because I feel like you that he’s always polite. What wakes me up though to what he’s o.k. with is the pictures of the dead aborted babies.
Myrtle, point taken. The flipside is that the issue of bodily autonomy and freedom is very real too. I understand the concerns that people have with abortion, but take away freedom and the liberties we have with our own bodies and it’d just plain be a really bad deal. I realize that making abortion illegal would not remove “all freedom” in that way, and that society already restricts us somewhat – my point is that there are two sides, anyway, and that it’s not a matter of merely thinking in silhouette.
I understand the concerns that people have with abortion, but take away freedom and the liberties we have with our own bodies and it’d just plain be a really bad deal.
The problem is that most of us are mothers who have brought children into this world, and who have done without what you phrase as “freedom and the liberties we have with our own bodies”, and can see that next to taking away the very lives of the real people gestating within our bodies, that “freedom” and those “liberties” mean nothing and are mere trifles.
They became a person when they were born
Ok, I’ll ask you just like I asked the other one- Why? What’s so crucial which one gains the second they come forth out of the womb that they are thereby differentiated from living human beings who are “non-persons” within?
“I understand the concerns that people have with abortion, but take away freedom and the liberties we have with our own bodies and it’d just plain be a really bad deal.”
Xalisae: The problem is that most of us are mothers who have brought children into this world, and who have done without what you phrase as “freedom and the liberties we have with our own bodies”, and can see that next to taking away the very lives of the real people gestating within our bodies, that “freedom” and those “liberties” mean nothing and are mere trifles.
I disagree – you had it (the freedom) and you still do. You were free to continue the pregnancy or pregnancies. I think it “would be a bad deal” if you didn’t have it, and I bet you do too. Myrtle mentioned the unborn, and I agree that they are there to be considered (how far we go in that is a good bit of the abortion debate). This does not mean that there’s not a societal imperative to allow women the freedom, at least to a point.
you had it (the freedom) and you still do.
Then you have no idea what it means to be pro-life, a woman, or any combination of those things in regards to a crisis pregnancy. Period.
Myrtle said:
I can’t imagine you being terribly rude but in my opinion terribly rude is much better than terribly wrong. And 40 years have been wasted trying to pacify people who need to grow up and see that their feelings don’t amount to much when compared to the deaths of millions of babies. What are your thoughts?
The edit feature on here is a great help when posting. That is how I [try] to keep my comments civil and polite. I keep reminding myself “you get more bees with honey.” Some people don’t want to hear, and some people just aren’t ready. But the ones who may be, are the ones who need us pro-lifers to hold onto our stance about treating people (starting from the womb) with respect/civiliy. You never know where a person is on their journey or necessarily entirely where they’re coming from (especially online) so it’s the whole “try to give a person the benefit of the doubt”. Plus a lot of prayer.
I can understand your feelings, Myrtle. It’s very disheartening when the majority of what you hear from that side is that we don’t care about women and all the other stuff they say. I don’t blame you for your frustrations–honest.
Doug said: Thanks, Lone Star Mom. The ranting and raving we sometimes see really has more to do with the person doing it, and less with the issues.
Doug…it could be a number of things. The person could be voltile. They could be upset about something else, or just plain frustrated with everything being said. I think it depends on the person.