“The newest in creepy from crisis pregnancy centers”: Eek, women’s health clinics!
There’s another strategy that’s gotten less attention: an under-the-radar campaign by large anti-choice organizations, like the National Institute of Family and Life Advocates and Focus on the Family, to fund and guide the conversion of CPCs into licensed, limited-service medical clinics, ramping up their services to include pregnancy tests and ultrasound.
Although they offer only limited women’s health services – none offer mammograms, for instance – medical clinic status has led many to start offering early prenatal care, prenatal vitamins, STI testing and even eye exams. A few have started advertising pap smears.
~ Pro-abortion blogger Sarah at Feministe in a post entitled, “The Newest in Creepy from Crisis Pregnancy Centers,” August 19, quoting pro-abortion blogger Tana at AlterNet
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Newsflash: Planned Parenthood doesn’t do mammograms, either.
And since I am a thinking person, I believe I would be less “creeped out” to get my prenatal care from an organization that actually helps women and their babies than from an organization who kills preborn children like Planned Parenthood.
PP doesn’t offer mammograms, either Sarah! And what in the world is so creepy about prenatal vitamins? And I thought STI testing was a good thing for women? What’s creepy about that? Good grief — the goal here really and truly is to make sure that no woman decides NOT to walk into an abortion clinic and kill her baby! Pro-aborts like Sarah want women led by the nose straight onto the table before she has the nerve to reconsider.
Ever notice that Certain People love to use the term ‘anti-choice’ but would be creeped out if others called them ‘anti-life’ or ‘pro-death’?
It just seems like there is a whole generation out there that’s missed out on learning about things like the Golden Rule, and does not even have the concept of trying to treat others as they themselves expect to be treated.
right i used to go to planned parentless too. no mammograms were performed there. they told me I’d have to go to a hospital. for that. i severed my ties with them years ago
planned barrenhood should remodel to look like a haunted house. it’s a good look
Did I miss something here? Where’s the part where she explains why this is creepy?
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ZOMG they provide healthcare that’s evil!!!!!!!!!
I have rarely read anything more ridiculous.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
Quote attributed to: Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda.
(Isn’t that creepy!)
Apparently there is NOTHING we as pro-lifers can do to better women’s lives. We are all evil, fetus worshipping, women controlling misogynists. Unless we pay for abortions then we hate women. They complain that we don’t help women, so we open cpc’s. They complain that cpc’s are ran by non-medical personnel, so we open licensed health clinics with medical personnel. Then they claim that is the new creepy scheme in controlling women. Welcome to the pro-abortion mindset.
@Felicity
EXACTLY!
May I repost that Felicity? Next time I here a prochoice rant about CPCs, I’d like to post that!
*hear
the only solution to the pro abort is death. they want death. nothing else will do.
Margie- absolutely.
Most women on the femenist posts sound very ignorant. God help them. I can’t believe they think PP is the only organization in the US that provides any sort of care for women. Where do they live? Anyhow, it is so frustrating to read all those angry comments and ways to get back at pro-lifers. What a fickle existence. If they cared more about their own plight they would inform themselves better about their “enemy” and realize how wrong they are. Jeez….
So, CPCs that aren’t medical clinics are “fake clinics” trying to trick women and CPCs that are are “creepy” organizations trying to control women?
There’s…not a lot of critical thinking going on there, I see.
I think they think it’s creepy that there are educated individuals in the medical field who recognize the rights and lives of gestating human beings. I mean, their doctors gave them their abortions, right? If a doctor says it’s ok, and even does it his/herself, it’s GOTTA be ok, right? And now that they know there are doctors and nurses who know it is NOT ok, then those doctors and nurses must have some sort of ulterior motive-I suppose implanting women who go there for healthcare with some sort of mind-control chip or something.
These are adolescents who are walking around in adult bodies we are dealing with on the other side of the fence.
OMG! Some pro-life health clinics provide pap smears, prenatal care, vitamins and STI testing???????How horrible! And don’t do mammograms!? Shock horror!!! How dare they!!!! Wicked, evil health clinics, brainwashing women into… umm prenatal care and having pap smears!!!ONLY PP and PP alone is allowed to do that!!!!!! oh wait…… PP doesn’t do mammograms either or offer prenatal care and doesn’t offer prenatal vitamins too…. Hmmm…. I think Ms Sarah has recently fallen off the tree and banged her head, as she makes as much sense as my goldfish….
Not surprisingly, my comment at Feministe was deleted. Zero tolerance for the truth. They just can’t handle it. All I said, really, was “what’s so creepy about prenatal vitamins and STI testing?” And I might have mentioned something about creepy boyfriends who force women to abort their babies, and creepy Planned Parenthood that refuses to protect underage girls from sexual abuse by creepy grown men. (sigh) ;)
Jen don’t. feel bad. i tried to post respectful comments on Amanda Macottes site several times and not one got through. the funny part was her policy saying abusive comments would not be posted yet the only posts that made it all had vile cursing!
actually you could get on if you could swear like a drunken sailor you pretty much HAD to hate men especially the sob that gave you the unwanted fetus. and the only men you. are allowed to idolize is a male abortionist!
xalisae as a nurse myself i just can’t wrap my head around it either. especially when one of my nurse Co workers would abort knowing all about human development!
oh and one more thing. the only men allowed to participate on Amanda’s site ARE the very irresponsible men who impregnate women and leave them in the ditch. that’s right the pro choice men who helped bring the death toll of American children up to 4000 a day. watch them all exchange dialogue one day if you’ve got the stomach for it
Heather, how do those guys actually prove that they got a woman pregnant and left her in a ditch?
sorry her name is Amanda Marcotte and the blog is Pandagon. they do an awful lot of talking about this site. they say Jill is anti choice anti woman I’m sure Jill knows all about her.
Hi Felicity,
They can complain all that they want. I will keep offering women help and support and encouragement, diapers, wipes, formula and strollers at the Care Center.
:)
Hey Carla,
Yes, those that care about women and families will continue to do whatever is necessary to ensure that people have the things they need to thrive, despite whatever the naysayers think. And thank you for the time and energy you put into women and their children.
I imagine the sentiments of this woman and the blog commenters do not reflect the majority of pro choice people. There seems to be a small but aggressive group of pro-aborts that desire as many women as possible to have an abortion so that abortion becomes a means of freeing and unifying women. I’m sure it would help them validate their own abortion experience. Anything to help women not abort would defeat their goal of a worldwide sisterhood of abortion. Therefore the outrage at prolifers actually helping women have their babies.
Felicity says: “. . . There seems to be a small but aggressive group of pro-aborts that desire as many women as possible to have an abortion, so that abortion becomes a means of freeing and unifying women. I’m sure it would help them validate their own abortion experience. Anything to help women not abort would defeat their goal of a worldwide sisterhood of abortion. Therefore the outrage at prolifers actually helping women have their babies.”
Yup, that’s where their heads are at. They assume that anyone who’s had an abortion is going to be “pro-choice” for the rest of their lives. The more abortions, the more public support they’ll have in the future. This, they think, is regardless of the circumstances behind the abortions.
These mistaken assumptions are based on a faulty view of human psychology. In truth, people who are manipulated into participating in a cause they don’t really believe in, or who are manipulated or coerced into doing something they don’t really want to do, these people will often rebel against the cause and against the people who manipulated and coerced them. Instead of the “pro-choice” movement gaining massive new converts, the “pro-choice” movement is gaining enemies from pushing too hard to get girls to abort. They may get the dead baby they want, but the baby’s mama will never be theirs. Just the opposite really, many of these women are now working to overturn Roe v Wade and make abortion illegal again.
And don’t get me started about how the hard core pro-aborts fail to stick up for women who are abused and killed for refusing to abort.
I guess obstetricians are creepy too because they offer the same things!
I realize the quote of the day is discussing the “creepiness” of CPCs in encouraging and helping women keep their babies, provide for them, and teach parenting skills. I would like to chime in that CPCs also help post-abortive women. I didn’t receive the promised counseling after my abortion. It was the abortion healing program offered at my local CPC that helped get my life back together after 2 suicide attempts. So, CPCs also help women pick up the pieces of a shattered life that abortion clinics caused and will not help women with. If it wasn’t for my local CPC, I don’t know what I would have done. The women from the CPC still reach out to me to make sure I am doing OK. I haven’t heard back from the abortion clinic since my abortion and requesting help from them regarding abortion regret.
My ex-girlfriend had an abortion against my will. She chosed to do it herself while I had no say in it and wanted to keep our child and start a family. It hasn’t been that long but I keep having these moments where I see our child dying and being thrown away, or in pain as its being aborted and i’m in so much pain because I couldn’t protect it and I wanted to keep the kid. I didn’t go to the clinic with her because had I, the guilt would have been too much plus I believe its extremely bad karma to kill a child. Regardless men have the same issues when coming to abortion also. You’re not alone and I wish she never made the choice she did because we don’t know what we have sometimes until its gone.
Jamaal, I’m sorry that happened. :>( .
Did anyone go to the article and notice that the Feministe website has a drawing of a little girl, running around with a toy machine gun? Great things they want to teach our daughters, eh, let’s play shoot-em-up.
Ahem. I played “shoot-em-up” as a little girl. I always got resentful when my cousins said I had to be a nurse because I was a girl.
Jamaal
Sorry for your loss.
RCH
Sorry for your loss also.
I played Army when I was a little girl, too. And I ardently believed in the women’s movement. But when the abortion advocates took control of the women’s movement and pitted mothers against their own children in the womb, I knew this was not the women’s movement I could believe in. Men are OK and we can have a mutually respectful relationship with them. Marriage is good, for women, children and men, when it is based on respect, commitment and self-sacrifice love.
Every time I learn about some ridiculous quote by an ardent pro-abort, I think, soon this will be over. Their cause will collapse under the sheer extremism of its supporters as those who tolerate abortion will realize that it is causing a culture which is too evil to allow to continue to exist.
Xalisae: I suppose implanting women who go there for healthcare with some sort of mind-control chip or something.
Yes, you put that chip right in, then cover it over with some of that Israeli anti-fertility hair lotion. ;)
Maybe should’ve been using that in the first place, Doug. ;P
Jamaal, I am sorry for your loss, too.
Well anyway, I was walking down the sidewalk the other day and ran right into a spiderweb. The sticky spiderweb stuff was all over my face and upper body and it’s really not that easy to get off. There was a good-sized spider in my hair and since i am afraid of spiders, of course I was having a fit!
THE MORAL OF THIS STORY:
Spider webs and spiders in your hair and on your body is CREEPY!
Dispensing prenatal vitamins and other health care to women is NOT CREEPY!
Wow, Jamaal, I’m so sorry for your loss. You have my respect for trying to stand up for the life of your child and being willing to take responsibility for him/her. That is what real men do.
If you contact your local crisis pregnancy center I’m sure they can refer you to a post abortion healing program for men.
Carla, does Rachel’s Vineyard have resources for men?
Jamaal,
I am so sorry. You are not alone. There are men who wanted their children to live and had no say in that. My heart breaks for them.
There are resources for you!!
Rachel’s Vineyard is a weekend retreat for abortion recovery. Men and women attend.
http://www.rachelsvineyard.org
You can call The National Helpline for Abortion Recovery and they will find local resources for you in your area.
1-866-482-LIFE(5433)
Also there is a website I have found that is EXCELLENT!
http://www.fatherhoodforever.org/
They have several resources listed for you as well.
God bless you, Jamaal.
hi Carla I’ve been meaning to ask if. the 14 year old girl we prayed for aborted?
Barb: Their cause will collapse under the sheer extremism of its supporters as those who tolerate abortion will realize that it is causing a culture which is too evil to allow to continue to exist.
Barb, some people were saying things like this in the time of the ancient Egyptians, and probably before that too. For some of us, the world is always going to heck in a handbasket….
“Not surprisingly, my comment at Feministe was deleted. Zero tolerance for the truth.”
Feministe is all about oppressing women with feminism. They need to keep them ignorant while they brainwash them with their false narratives.
Xalisae: Maybe should’ve been using that in the first place, Doug. ;P
Ahahahhahahaaa!!
Doug: So you are saying that we are doomed to remain an evil culture where women and men despise each other and children are treated as commodities? No, evil cultures come and go (ancient Rome, Nazi Germany); noble cultures come and go also, if people of good will don’t protect them. No culture is perfect, but the ones that cherish their children and women prosper.
Barb, I’m saying that there are always people who have a problem with this or that in their own society or within the world as a whole, and that apparently there always have been. All cultures change, regardless of how “evil” or “good” a given person sees them.
In your first post, you were in effect pointing a finger at a group of people, characterizing them in your own way, and predicting their downfall since “they are so bad.”
I started discussing/debating abortion in 1996, and there were people then who felt somewhat the same as you – that the Pro-Choice movement would “die out” within 5 or 10 years – or even that The Rapture was imminent. Not trying to bash religion, but on the Rapture deal, people have been saying that for 1900+ years.
Hmmm. I read the AlterNet article and I just can’t figure out how someone that cares about women could come to the conclusion that this is a “creepy” situation. Articles like this prove that there are at least some people that are truly pro-abortion and for them it’s not about choice at all.
Tana feels CPC’s provide “severely limited services stacked with an anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-sex, aggressively Christian worldview”. What this is really about is that people like Tana with a pro-abortion, pro-contraception, pro-casual sex, anti-Christian worldview don’t want women in crisis pregnancies to have free access to another viewpoint.
Doug;
So, it is not evil that we live in a culture in which men and women despise each other and treat children as commodities? Is that what you are saying?
Or are you saying that in our culture men treat women with respect (and vice versa) and our children are cherished. You are not reading the posts at Feministe or RH Reality Check, if you believe that.
I don’t know what the pro-abortion rhetoric was during the 1990’s; I was involved with raising my surviving children and pursuing my career. Now they are grown and I am retired and I will say that since 2007, I’ve noticed the pro-abortion rhetoric becoming more shrill and extreme.
Barb: So, it is not evil that we live in a culture in which men and women despise each other and treat children as commodities? Is that what you are saying?
Barb, if nothing else, you’re generalizing to an IMO ridiculous degree. I think there will always be some degree of “evil” things in a culture, and they will vary, depending on who you talk to. But, even specific to that which you mention, it’s not like “all men despise all women.” Far from it, in fact.
On the “commoditization” of kids – I don’t entirely disagree with you. Hey – babies are outright “sold.” Or, the deal with surrogate mothers amounts to somewhat the same thing. The “shotgun” approach of in-vitro fertilization and the creation of many embryos in the hope that at least one survives, etc.
I also don’t think it’s “bad” for people to want their own biological kids, even if a surrogate or other somewhat “unnatural” procedure is used.
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Or are you saying that in our culture men treat women with respect (and vice versa) and our children are cherished. You are not reading the posts at Feministe or RH Reality Check, if you believe that.
One very selective group of posts does not necessarily pronounce upon the state of our entire culture and nation. ;)
Agreed – there are some real male-chauvanist pigs, and some real man-hating women out there. There will always be wackos…. Now, though, we have forums for them, and their words can live forever in cyber-space.
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I don’t know what the pro-abortion rhetoric was during the 1990?s; I was involved with raising my surviving children and pursuing my career. Now they are grown and I am retired and I will say that since 2007, I’ve noticed the pro-abortion rhetoric becoming more shrill and extreme.
Barb, I think the Pro-Choice stuff is the same now as then. I know of no reasons why “2007” would be a factor – specific to the abortion debate. Not saying you’re wrong – the legality of abortion is being eroded in some states, and maybe it’s freaking some people out.
Additionally – 2007 is arguably a “top” in our social mood, due to economic issues (which are very important) and I think we are in a “bear-market” by many measures, one that will feature increasing degrees of unhappiness that will extend to many issues.