Graphic abortion ad to air during Super Bowl
Thirteen months ago I reported on pro-life activist Randall Terry’s dream to run for U.S. president strictly so as to air graphic abortion ads during Super Bowl XLVI on February 5, 2012.
And by golly if Terry isn’t going to do it.
Terry is in the process of buying ad time in 35 NBC metropolitan media markets and is working on more (having secured two to date). These are:
Arkansas: Fort Smith/Rogers
Colorado: Denver, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Grand Junction
Hawaii: Hilo, Honolulu, Wailuku
Illinois: Quincy
Indiana: Fort Wayne
Maine: Bangor, Portland
Minnesota: Minneapolis
Missouri: Kansas City, Joplin, Ottumwa, St. Joseph, St. Louis, Springfield
Nevada: Elko
North Dakota: Fargo
Ohio: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, Lima, Steubenville, Toledo, Youngstown, Zanesville
Oklahoma: Oklahoma City, Tulsa
South Dakota: Sioux Falls
Texas: Amarillo, Wichita Falls
Utah: Salt Lake City
Ads run in all these media markets would reach 16 million homes, well over 35 million Americans. Due to federal law, stations are forced to run ads by federal candidates uncensored.
Terry is drafting a new ad for the Super Bowl, but it will most closely resemble this one:
Airing graphic ads during the Super Bowl represents a unique opportunity to show a huge number Americans the truth about abortion during the one time a year they actually look forward to watching commercials rather than ignoring them. Donate to air the ads here. The more money Terry gets, the more times he can run the ad.
Terry has already run graphic abortion ads in Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, and Nebraska and is currently running them in Boston, Maine, and New Hampshire. And they get reaction wherever they air.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I know a lot of people here disagree, but I wish the first abortion superbowl ad wasn’t going to be graphic. I support the use of graphic images, I think people need to see them, but I also think it just creates way too much room for disingenuous pro-aborts to successfully keep the discussion on the fact that children will see it. While some people here genuinely have that concern, the abortion mouthpieces do not. It’s just a diversion to avoid talking about the fact that they support that horror. And it will work. The media will run with that. That’s just my two cents.
I agree with the point of view, but I do NOT agree with showing graphic ads during the Superbowl. This is a time when whole families are watching, including young children who may not yet be old enough to know about and understand abortion. This forces a parent’s hand, either to explain the issue or to not allow the child to watch any commercials at all during the SuperBowl. If the parent isn’t aware that this ad will show in their market, the child might have nightmares after seeing the ad.
I do not think this is the best way to go about persuading people to become pro-life.
I this it should air – but maybe ad a “the following commercial may not be suited for young children” warning so IF there are young kids watching, the parents can choose to flip the channel real quick.
This won’t get people talking about the horror of abortion, imho. It will get people talking about how irritated they are at pro-lifers for putting graphic ads in while they are trying to enjoy football. Time and place for everything. This isn’t it.
Thank God The Ads Will Run,WAKE UP AMERICA! Like The GENOCIDE in World War II-It’s Not Just Life Goes On ,,,,,so don’t interrupt my social activities ! We MUST SHOW THE TRUTH!!!!!! WE MUST STOP The GENOCIDE In AMERICA,NOW!
Kids need to see this. Horror and all. A hundred years ago and earlier kids of all ages saw gruesome and horrible images for real all the time. Sheltering kids from the truth just serves to make adults more comfortable. Kids need to be horrified by what is horrifying. They need to see it while they are still young enough that you can’t just explain it away with sophistry. I think these ads are great and just what people need. It is people’s guilty consciences that make them lash out at the messenger and hide behind the children like the cowards they are. Let the children see the truth. No explanation of “choice” is going to fool a kindergartner who knows what he saw. He will just see the adults as the evil liars they are. The evil do not want their deeds exposed. Bravo, Terry.
I find it offensive that people would think they have the right to decide what my or anyone else’s children “need” to see. And graphic images can certainly be damaging to children, depending on their circumstances and age. I don’t believe in censoring, but I do agree with Amber that there should be a warning. Again, I doubt these commercials are going to do what you think they are.
Totally agree, Hippie!!
Although we disagree with the core of the argument here, I gotta agree with my buddy Jack that all kids react to things differently – there is a reason that movies, trailors, tv shows, etc. often have warnings before them come on – even some adults would not be able to handle the graphic images and might want to turn it – you do not know what trauma they have been through in their past. Even 180 Movie has a warning beforehand and there’s like 1 graphic image of an aborted baby in the movie. (Also a graphic image of a holocaust victim.)
I think it’d be cool if they could get enough funds to put out TWO commercials – a graphic AND a non-graphic one. That’d be cool :)
I loved Tebow’s commercial last year – but it was more of a commercial advertising Focus on the Family than the pro-life message…we need something stronger.
Kids know abortion is murder, instinctively. It’s the whacked out, numbed out grown ups who just think it’s the language of choice, no blood, no broken bodies.
This is reality, people. If you TRULY think abortion is murder, then isn’t it time we start talking about it as murder?
You’re right on that, Courtnay – it is mostly adults and some college-aged (though, pro-lifers are starting to outnumber there) that believe murder is ok thanks to 40+ years of brainwashing…kids are the future in so many ways :)
And then I just wonder, where were the feminists and thier outrage when they aired the beer commercial about 2 bikini models in a girlfight?
THIS IS REAL, folks. That little body up there WANTED TO LIVE. Let’s show the world what “choice” truly is–that sweet child, robbed of life. Folks can put their beer and hummus down for 30 seconds to bear witness. It a’int gonna kill anybody.
PS–are y’all watching Jill’s tweet ticker? This article is bringing out the best in the pro-abort side. Those little darlings need their mouths washed out with bleach.
If Terry is reading this, take heed:
#1: I’ll concur with the suggestion made previously that if you’re going to display graphic images, for the sake of the children watching and out of courtesy for parental rights, place a “warning: graphic” prior to the rest of the ad.
#2: Replace the male voice-over with a female reading the script. Why? Pro-choicers already have this whole “male domination” narrative in place, and it would do us no favors in reinforcing that perception. Using a female voice will be unexpected, and give the subliminal message that women are just as miffed over abortion as the guys are.
Now personally, I prefer the subtle yet effective approach. Anyone remember that ad that showed a rabbit being stuffed in the blender? Then the scene immediately cut to a black screen right when the blender was turned on and you could hear the blades spinning?
Something like that.
PP is probably FREAKING out! Maybe after watching, more and more people will stop giving $ to Planned Butcherhood.
A warning is necessary and a female voice is ideal as Carder recommended. But I’m afraid the subtle approach is not doing enough. Every evening I see commercials of animals that have been neglected and brutally beaten and it speaks to my heart. No one is complaining that these commercials are too graphic. Yet, humans, our brothers and sisters are being slaughtered by the millions. The truth must be exposed. People must see that abortion is killing an innocent human being not a blob of tissue. I believe abortion will end because God is hearing the cries of the preborn, that of the mothers, fathers, family members and faithful.
I agree with Markie and Hippie. This needs to be seen. If not now, when? Your kids are old enough to watch men slamming into each other, women dressed in practically nothing and treated as objects in commercials and as cheerleaders and tons of alcoholic beverages being glorified but you worry about the effects on them seeing what our country legally condones?
I also agree Carder that a female voice would be way more effective.
We’ve waited long enough. Now is the time.
Oh yeah, Thank You Terry!
Michelle – great point! but no sad “In the Arms of the Angels” song haha because THAT gets me to turn the channel with sad animal abuse commercials come on!!!
I do not agree with the use of graphic signs in most cases and here’s why. How many of us know someone who’s had an abortion? Sadly, I’m sure the answer is most of us. My wife, in her life before I knew her, had an abortion. Fortunately today she fully understands the truth of abortion and has tried to reconcile her past with God and herself. But the fact is for her and for too many, the pain and guilt never really go away. It’s no different than someone who’s scarred by the trauma of combat. You may come to some peace with things that you’ve done or seen in combat, but the pain and trauma never fully go away, even after decades of time. Since I don’t think most people would flash graphic images of combat to returning veterans to turn them against war, it doesn’t seem logical to do the same to so many who’ve suffered the trauma of abortion. Certainly putting these images on t.v. during the SuperBowl will be seen by too many who have experienced this trauma and will only serve to rub salt in their wounds. People don’t heal by exposing them to more trauma. I do not like the tactics that Mr. Terry uses. I was at Notre Dame protesting Obama’s commencement and saw the images on the plane and trucks driving around South Bend. I thought about those who’ve had abortions that saw those images and how it must have made them feel. I doubt it changed any of their minds.
In my wife’s case, there wasn’t one person around her who suggested or offered any help for her to keep her baby or give it up for adoption. She was surrounded by “family” and “friends” who “supported” her with this difficult but “right” decision and there was no option B. She was, in essence, completely abandoned, yet she’s the one that carries the pain and guilt for the rest of her life. So many people have been swallowing the Constitutional Right to Abortion Kool-Aid, that it seems to be the only answer any one can come up with when an unintended pregnancy happens. How many girls/women end up in this situation, abandoned with no apparent options? Probably most. What would you have done in their shoes? I do not believe that traumatizing women in this way is helpful , effective, or even right.
The other thing about these images is that they are in our face, unsolicited. Just as I don’t want someone showing me and/or our child a graphic picture of war violence on the street or t.v., I don’t want Randall Terry or any one else in my face with the graphic reality of abortion. I’m not afraid of the truth, but blunt force isn’t the way to go with most people.
Having said all of that, I think the only appropriate forum for showing graphic signs of abortion is to those architects of abortion rights, the Obamas, Pelosis, Clintons, Richards, etc. and their minions. They blow hard about so called abortion rights but hide their heads in the sand about the reality of it all. I believe the graphic images should be targeted in scope to those people who lie, cheat, and compromise any and all human decency in the name of abortion rights. CWK
As long as the warning is there, the kid thing is not an issue. It still irritates me when people think they know better than the parents about what their kids are ready to watch.
I think those animal abuse commercials are awful too, honestly.
@Michelle, I can’t believe it either. I just saw the commercial showing the various animals that have been beaten and abused! It’s terribly sad, but my first thought was pre-born children can be ripped out of their mother’s womb and it’s all hush-hush, yet commercials about animal cruelty can be aired. It’s so insane.
Excellent post, CWK. I am sorry about what your wife went through, I hope she is doing well now. I have had similar experiences with Terry’s group and agree with you about the images.
Put a disclaimer beforehand. Don’t specify. Just ask that children be removed (heck…just put a rating and leave some uncertainty out there about what it might be for…maybe they’ll think it’s going to be a REALLY RACY bikini beer ad! ^_^). The only reason I would advocate a disclaimer is because of people like Jack. You know with his feelings about this issue, he’s going to be instructing them properly. Normally, I would be against a disclaimer, because so many children of pro-legal-abortionists don’t EVER get the slightest bit of honest dialogue about it. As soon as they’re old enough to be susceptible to obfuscation, they start piling on the b.s. Once they’ve been out of the womb long enough to forget that they were only there a relatively short while ago, mommy and daddy sit them down and tell them how it’s ok they think they should’ve had the option to kill them when they were doing their time behind uterine walls, because they’re safe now, and don’t worry, we TOTALLY wanted you, so that makes it ok, right honey? And ya know…that WAS an awfully long time ago…and I did make it out alive, after all…so I guess it’s ok. I mean, mom and dad wouldn’t do anything bad, right?
THOSE kids need this. It’s the reason why so many pro-legal-abortionists freak the heck out when OHMIGOSH, MY KIDS CAN SEE THIS, AND I HAVEN’T HAD THE CHANCE TO BLOW SMOKE UP THEIR @$$ YET!!! WHAT WILL I SAY!?
Yeah, Xalisea, sadly many kids are brainwashed by their parents :\
Hopefully though when they go to school they’ll meet a nice pro-life friend :)
CWK
The intent of these ads is NOT to traumatize post abortive women. The intent is NOT to “rub salt in a wound.” It is to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that abortion kills an innocent human being. PP has shoved “a bunch of cells” down our throats for long enough!!!
I am post abortive as are many of my friends. We have been healing to the point of being able to honor the lives of our children lost to abortion. The photos are of babies killed by abortion. We should honor their short lives and acknowledge that they LIVED. AND they died. They are human beings that have died by being sucked out of their mother’s wombs! Graphic? Yes! Truth? Yes!
If those that watch need more healing from their abortions they will know it by their reactions. If they cry, walk out of the room or shut it off maybe they are ready to pursue abortion recovery? Praying they reach out for help to those of us waiting to help lead them there, including your wife who most certainly can work through the pain and the feelings of guilt and shame after abortion.
National Helpline for Abortion Recovery
1-866-482-LIFE
Silent No More Awareness
http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/about/
Rachel’s Vineyard
http://www.rachelsvineyard.org
carla@jillstanek.com
Ah Carla I was waiting for you to respond to that big post because I know you are post-abortive and you said what I hoped you would :) as I have never had an abortion, I wanted to get someones opinion who has before adding my thoughts…but I pretty much agree with all you said :)
AND I think it’d be great if the video included the number and website you provided – and also one for couples to get help if they’re facing an unexpected pregnancy.
Then it doubles as a resource :)
well if they can have sex at such young age then they need to see abortion. air it!
Dear Carla,
I’m certain that the intention is not to traumatize post-abortive women, but fact of the matter is that it WILL traumatize and hurt many post-abortive women, even those who have sought healing. I am truly happy that you and many of your friends are at that stage in your healing, but so many are not, and many more may not achieve that. Everyone is different, has different strengths and weaknesses. I can say first hand that it would be traumatic and painful for my wife, and probably always will be for her. We have turned to Rachel’s Vineyard and others for healing, but speaking for my wife an others that I know, flashing uninvited graphic images will only rub salt in their wounds that are so tender. I believe blanketing such images is thoughtless towards those who aren’t in the place that you are in. Also, I do not want someone else showing these images to my daughter. We know what’s best for her and how to teach her about such things, not Randal Terry nor anyone else. I would not appreciate someone getting in her face with it on t.v. As I stated previously, I do think they have an appropriate place in the fight against abortion in that they should be targeted towards the real purveyors of abortion, the politicians, the money behind it all, etc…..
I appreciate your zeal in the cause but do not agree with using this tactic Carte Blanche.
All of God’s blessings and graces upon you and your friends for your courage and witness. CWK
Dear CWK;
Didn’t you hear the good news? According to the American Psychological Association, women don’t suffer from Post Abortion Trauma Syndrome or any other mental health issues related to their abortions. If they have any mental health issues, they are pre-existing, according to our psychologists. Don’t you believe the psychologists, they are professionals, not like those religious nuts at the pregnancy centers? (sarcasm intended)
I am a woman with an abortion experience and I tend to agree with Carla (with respect to Jack for his desire to protect his children from the harsh reality of “Choice”).
Perhaps if more people (including friends and family) saw what abortion actually is, they would not be so quick to encourage women to get them and fewer women would have to deal with the consequences of abortion.
True friends don’t let friends get abortions.
It is truly sad when our children are exposed to this but we are raising them in a cruel culture which has no regard for their right to life or their right to innocence. Just look at Planned Parenthood.
And yes, I totally agree that the ad should include phone numbers for post-abortion and crisis pregnancy help.
“Normally, I would be against a disclaimer, because so many children of pro-legal-abortionists don’t EVER get the slightest bit of honest dialogue about it. ”
I was definitely one of those kids but I can tell you right now, this kind of ad would NOT have “felt” or seemed like an honest dialogue to me. Just like those awful pictures of animals skinned alive that animal-rights people flash around, hoping to get me to stop eating meat, I would just look elsewhere and continue on. It feels gratuitous – and I am not saying it IS gratuitous, but you’re approaching people who will mostly likely think it is. You’ll need to explain to them why it’s not, but in this media form that puts the onus on THEM to seek out your side of things, and they probably won’t.
I don’t think this kind of ad should be banned or anything, but I think that positive focus is far more effective at opening a dialogue than negative focus is. ie, talk about healthy ways of raising and treating the animals that we eat. I think that ads like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vDQCv0yYaQ are far more likely to make any random pro-choice person stop and think.
“I find it offensive that people would think they have the right to decide what my or anyone else’s children “need” to see.”
Do you have kids in school, Jack? Because that is what they do. They decide what your kids need to see and they censor the messages that they don’t want your kids to hear.
“Do you have kids in school, Jack? Because that is what they do. They decide what your kids need to see and they censor the messages that they don’t want your kids to hear. ”
My oldest is three, so no. But I am aware of that, I hear people on this blog complain about it all the time. But the same people are willing to say that they know what my kids are ready to see and hear, while they complain when schools do?
I suppose the ratings will be up a bit as all you good folk stay glued to your televisions to see the ad.
I guess there will be the ‘converted’ who will watch the ad and feel good about it being shown.
Then there will be viewers who go “what the f***” and flick their remote.
A number of people will just ignore it and focus on getting more beer and nibbles.
Some will watch it and ask themselves “what the heck was that all about?” then find out who was behind it and dismiss it as the propaganda ravings of a loonie.
Overall impact or impression on people in general which will help your cause – negligable.
This one’s gonna hit the huge pro-choice communities in Fargo and Salt Lake City really hard.
I’m a little torn on this. I care about my post-abortive friends with heavy hearts. I care about my four young children and protecting their innocence.
But… weighing all these concerns in the balance against the brutal murder of millions of innocent human beings…
I care more about ending abortion. And our fat and comfy country needs to wake up and admit the problem.
Mary Ann, I think you’ve put it the best :)
CWK,
ABORTION traumatizes and hurts women!!! The act ITSELF causes the years of depression, pain, guilt, shame and nightmares. There is a way to healing.
I would love to talk with your wife. It is what I do. It is my passion to help those that are struggling after abortion. Jill Stanek refers them to me and I find resources in their area.
What you are insinuating is that I and others like me are “rubbing salt in their wounds” which is not the case. At all. I see those photos and grieve my daughter and it is cruel OF YOU to deny me that grief over her death by abortion.
btw
When both of my little boys see graphic images of aborted babies they always say, “What happened to that baby?” They know. They are more open to the truth of abortion than so many adults.
Now that you know the ads will be shown you might want to give your wife the heads up and let her decide.
Always so self assured Mr. Reality.
If you are so in tune with what may happen I have a lottery ticket I need to talk to you about.
America will not reject abortion until America sees abortion.
-Father Frank Pavone
And I would like to go on record as saying I would appreciate more ads on fetal development. They also have quite an impact. :)
@X, you always make me crack up! I agree w/ the disclaimer also – forgot to mention that before. And I’m so sick of people crying this is too graphic for some kids to see. Our kids are BOMBARDED w/ sexual images everywhere. And, 10 yr old 5th gradeboys get to see an erect p—- and learn all about sex, protection, etc. blah, blah, blah and aborted fetuses is too much??? Sorry, I’m ranting.
@CWK, I’m so sorry for what your wife endured. I pray she continues to heal. Someone very close to me still suffers from her abortion, very similar to your wife’s situation.
I just had to explain to my four year old what that “picture” was at the top of this thread, because she walked up to the computer and caught a glimpse of it before I could scroll down. I told her “It’s a little dead baby.” I choked on those words.
She said “Planned Parenthood killed that baby!”
Then she went back to playing with her blocks.
I like the ad’s comparisons to slavery and the Holocaust, but a baby’s limb on a coin only reinforces the mantra: “just tissue, not like us”. We know what it is but the blind masses won’t realize it’s any worse than frog dissection.
A female voiceover would be better, and though it’s his ad, Terry at the end doesn’t come over well. Sorry, but without glasses, he looks like a horror movie host.
Which would be appropriate to us, but not others.
Pamela, my son too has seen the dead aborted babies. He is 5. He took it all in, expressed that it made him sad. I hugged him and assured him of my love of him when he was in my womb (YES he did ask! once he found out what abortion was he wanted to know if I ever would have aborted him. I said NO, that I always knew his life had as much value as mine.) He then went back to playing.
I myself saw my first photo of an aborted baby’s head held by forceps over a jar, when I was 8. It shocked and upset me…and made me pro-life! It kept me pure as a teenager because I wanted to live in such a way that I would never think I needed an abortion.
As Carla already quoted “America will not end abortion until America sees abortion.”
53 million dead babies. Women half-naked selling cars and beer. Animals beaten and shivering. All these are on commercials our children see but we’re going to get bent out of shape over aborted babies? I’m for showing the truth. America tolerates abortion so lets show her what she is tolerating.
Just reveal it!!
In my opinion there is too much talking in this video. The commercial needed more photos/video. Skip the comparison to the Holocaust and Slavery – just show the pictures of the aborted babies, the draconian abortion instruments, the blood and bone sucking vaccuum cleaner they call an aspirator, and if you have any talking just have a doctor clinically describing the actual procedure – enough said – no politics or heart pulling comparisons or analysis needed – just the facts.
No offense to Mr. Randall’s fine video but I would love to see the Live Action video that had the sunny abortion clinic spewing her lies while contrasting those lies against the actual video footage of an abortion procedure taking place.
The video should start with this question:
How would you like your child ground: fine, medium, or course?
Then scan to that mulching machine…opps I mean the aspirator and let them hear the sounds of that awful machine.
It can conclude with another question: If you don’t want your child mulched, what type of chemical poison would you perfer to use so that you can expunge your child’s existence?
“Pamela, my son too has seen the dead aborted babies. He is 5. He took it all in, expressed that it made him sad. I hugged him and assured him of my love of him when he was in my womb (YES he did ask! once he found out what abortion was he wanted to know if I ever would have aborted him. I said NO, that I always knew his life had as much value as mine.) He then went back to playing. ”
I am really glad it works out well for you and your family, your son is obviously loved. How do you think the kid feels who is told, “it’s perfectly fine if I had aborted you when you were in the womb”, or even worse “I considered it but decided against it/wasn’t able to”? Don’t y’all think that would be damaging? It’s not just the graphic imagery that those of us that don’t think this ad is a good idea have a problem with, though I personally wouldn’t let my kids see such a thing until they are older. Can’t any of you imagine the horror of a five-year-old seeing those dead babies and knowing that his parents would be okay with/possibly even considered aborting him?
And Tyler, I really don’t think that most people would watch a commercial like that. I personally would love a pro-life ad that went over fetal development, with some pictures or live ultrasounds of a baby in the womb.
“If you are so in tune with what may happen I have a lottery ticket I need to talk to you about” – sure Carla. There’s an extremely high chance you won’t win. The odds against winning are probably nearly as long as those of having a negative outcome from an abortion.
Well imagine that, a four year old being able to repeat what they’ve heard their parent say over and over.
What about me Reality? I remember as an 8 year old UNDERSTANDING what I was seeing, not just repeating what an adult told me. Kids are pro-life. You can’t handle that.
The people of Germany wouldn’t believe the horrors the NAZIs were perpetuating until they saw for themselves. If prochoice doesn’t ‘trust women’ enough to let them see stuff like this and make up their own minds, that’s on them. These kind of ads are long overdue. I recall seeing (in school) a commercial that was made (I think) in the 70s, of a woman walking alone through a park-a little boy runs toward her calling ‘mommy’ and then vanishes, and she stands staring at the spot where he was-it was an ad about how abortion hurts women. I can remember that commercial like it was yesterday, and so will others remember this ad 20 years from now in the same way. If anyone knows where I can find the video of that ad, please let me know.
Sorry to go off topic here, but I need the help of prolifers-there’s a woman on facebook posting do it yourself misoprostol abortion instructions http://moronicprochoicequotes.blogspot.com/2012/01/do-it-yourself-abortion-instructions.html please join me in demanding facebook take this potentially dangerous info down-they did once but the facebook user whined and they allowed her to repost it. Thanks :)
What exactly did you understand you were seeing Sydney M.?
Did you know exactly how conception took place?
Did you know exactly how a fetus develops?
Did you know exactly what had happened to the fetus you saw?
Did you know exactly why some women choose abortion?
Sure some kids are ‘pro-life’. Especially the ones whose parents are at all activist or outspoken about it. The vast majority have no interest, awareness or care about it.
And when these kids grow older, what then? Some will still be ‘pro-life’, some won’t. Some will have abortions, including some who were ‘pro-life’ kids.
People will still have abortions no matter what you say or do. People have different thoughts, positions and feelings to yours, about many things. That’s what you can’t handle.
My four year old hasn’t heard me say anything about abortion OR PP “over and over”, Reality. She heard me say ONCE who Planned Parenthood is, and what they do…
ONCE. Get over yourself…really.
“People will still have abortions no matter what you say or do.”
Bucket of duh.
And some will kill and steal, etc. That doesn’t mean we should we should condone or legalize things that are wrong.
Uh huh, sure.
Yeah, except abortion isn’t wrong hippie.
I can’t imagine how idoitic God must think all of the moaning and complaining about showing a child a graphic image of child-killing is when He is the one whose “image” is being utterly destroyed.
Americans’, even most Christians’, hearts are so hard and heads so soft, that the most important thing we worry about is what the enemies of God are going to say to attack us?
Why don’t you think about what is important to God, He was pretty clear about the matter of murder.
Seriously, you are more worried about yourself and how you will have to stand up for what you “believe in.” 3,500 babies being murdered is something worth taking heat for and your reputation!!
I weep for the outright selfishness and betrayal of Jesus by “Christians” unwilling to simply have Faith in Jesus and Love Him by Obeying Him.
Simply, you will show a child Jesus on the cross to “evangelize” them because you love them. But, will show a child the truth of “abortion” and Love Jesus?
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Ugh, not all pro-lifers are Christian, and not all Christian pro-lifers think that graphic ads are effective,
The problem is every person should be pro-life, and 3/4 of America has been baptized as a Christian. Most of America has not seen the truth of “abortion” neither have most Christians, even pro-lifers, been catechized the on the Bible. Most pastors are failures when it comes to emulating Jesus. Jesus was a civil-disobedient, but most pastors bow to the IRS and are silent in the face of evil then go condemning others as radicals and justifying their cowardice.
Most pro-lifers know nearly zero relevant history when it comes to social revolutions. Can you even name 3 social revolutions in AMerican history?
It is a true shame that America has no interest in the truth but concerns itself with “bread and circuses.” We have fallen so far and so low.
I planted this at the Boston channel comment section, and recommend that pro-life people do something similar in the places where they see and hear complaints.
There is a better way to deal with post abortion trauma than to complain about seeing the reality of this most common procedure on your television set. There is Project Rachel, for instance. All of the Crisis pregnancy centers can direct you on how to obtain various forms of help. Buddhism is an example of an Eastern religion which has recognized that abortion causes emotional pain, and provides an outlet. There is healing after abortion. Please take advantage of the resources.
The problem is every person should be pro-life, and worse is 3/4 of America has been baptized as a Christian.
Most of America has not seen the truth of “abortion” and neither have most Christians, even pro-lifers, and worse most Christians have been so poorly catechized upon Biblical foundation and thought that they can’t integrate their Faith with public/civil duty.
Most pastors are failures when it comes to emulating Jesus. Jesus was a civil-disobedient, but most pastors bow to the IRS and are silent in the face of evil then go condemning others as radicals and justifying their cowardice.
Most pro-lifers know nearly zero relevant history when it comes to social revolutions. Can you even name 3 social revolutions in AMerican history?
It is a true shame that America has no interest in the truth but concerns itself with “bread and circuses.” We have fallen so far and so low.
We have a Christian duty to Love people by showing them the way to salvation and it is imperative to speak the truth to all of them and images say a lot, see: Crucifix.
Remember this: Proverbs 28, the whole chapter is rather provocative to our PC minds in the US.
“They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.” Prov. 28:4
<em>“it’s perfectly fine if I had aborted you when you were in the womb”, or even worse “I considered it but decided against it/wasn’t able to”? Don’t y’all think that would be damaging?</em>
Ummm…I hate to break this to you Jack, but this is happening by the boatload every day. Their parents are called “pro-choice”, and I talk to them all the flippin’ time. They’re the ones who say “I’d be ok with it if my mom had aborted me, I just wouldn’t exist.” They tell me they just wouldn’t exist, not that they would be dead, because they don’t get to actually see what their parents are talking about, so it gets brushed away into some sanitized, abstract notion of their parents would’ve just magically erased them, which seems a little more ok, and when they get older, that sanitized magic-eraser version of the concept “abortion” is what they think, too. That makes it acceptable to them. They never let themselves connect the dots.
That is why they have to see the truth. That is why we have to help them start connecting the dots.
And btw, their parents tell them that regardless of whether or not graphic ads are shown during a commercial on the Superbowl.
Did you know exactly why some women choose abortion?
Umm…do you think the “why” is really all that important to a child finding out their life wasn’t protected by law from their own parents killing them only 8 or 9 years prior to then? Because frankly, I don’t think I’d really give a squat, why.
@xalisae, I completely see your point on aborted babies having been somehow erased in the minds of some pro-choice people. I was on a blog in whch someone commented that adoption is more difficult because a woman has to go through the trauma of giving up a baby, whereas if you were to abort, the baby never existed. We need to set the record straight. I remember telling a pro-choice woman that “Abortion doesn’t make you unpregnant, it makes you the mother of a dead baby.” She pretty much replied that I was sick.
I think a really effective video that the nation should see is the one put out by Priests for Life called “Everyone Against Abortion, Please Raise Your Hand.” http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/index.aspx
Reality,
You are always such a downer. Honestly.
Moronic PC Quotes,
I read this yesterday and totally agree that the good folks of Germany could only say, “We didn’t know.” for so long. They were marched into the camps after they were liberated and saw with their own eyes the horror that happened near them. They were without excuse.
GRAPHIC photos of the victims of the Nazi Holocaust. The truth.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/buchenwald/exhibits.html
What exactly did you understand you were seeing Sydney M.?Did you know exactly how conception took place?Did you know exactly how a fetus develops?Did you know exactly what had happened to the fetus you saw?Did you know exactly why some women choose abortion?
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Little kids don’t need to understand everything to understand that humans killing other humans is wrong. They get it. You don’t.
If parents are uncomfortable explaining how these babies died, then maybe they need to do something to stop this evil.
I for one would be happy to stand with my post abortive friends make an ad of all of the lies we were told. Hmmmm. It probably wouldn’t fit into a Super Bowl time slot!!
A prolife mother was standing outside of a mill with a graphic poster. A woman who was proabortion yelled, “How can you allow children to see these horrible pictures?!” The prolife mother asked her, “How can you allow children to become these pictures?”
Reality, three years ago, I was getting ready to drive my daughter and I to DC for the March for Life. Our 4th grade neighbor boy (whose mom and Episcopalian priest father had just thrown a champagne breakfast to celebrate the inaguration of Obama) wanted to know why we were going. I simply told him, “We believe that all children should live, and their mothers should not have the right to kill them before they’re born.” He gave me a look, to quote Hippie (priceless) ,that was ” a bucket of duh.” He couldn’t believe there were people who ever thought that was a good idea.
I restrained myself and did not tell him his very own parents, one of whom celebrated Eucharist (Jesus’ body broken for us) on a weekly basis.
Kids get it, instinctively. They know that’s a baby in there when they see a pregnant woman. It’s like saying “2 =2+4” or “The sun is hot.” THEY GET IT.
Reality, I had basic understanding of sex and conception at age 8. Not erotic knowledge, basic knowledge. I fail to see how knowledge of conception, reasons for aborting, fetal development etc… would change my reaction to seeing a baby’s severed head held by forceps.
I didn’t need a Ph.D. to see that this baby had been killed and i didn’t need a degree in philosophy to understand that killing babies is WRONG.
And as an 8 year old I identified WITH THAT CHILD. I felt horrified that MY country, MY government would have allowed that to be MY fate if my mother had chosen. As an 8 year old I had a lot more clarity and understand than all the pro-abortion supporters put together.
There are ways to warn people effectively about the dangers of drunk driving without showing the gruesome remains of innocent victims on national television. Likewise, a pro-family, pro-life ad could effectively discourage abortion without such graphic depictions.
And furthermore Reality, I am no longer 8. I am 31 years old. I have birthed a son and carry another. I know how my boys were conceived. I am familiar with sex, conception, fetal development, and I have friends who have aborted. I have heard their stories. I know the reasons for aborting. I myself had an unplanned, ill-timed pregnancy with my first son and intense financial struggle with this pregnancy. All reasons to abort. I get it.
Hasn’t changed my ability to see that the human fetus is a living human being and that abortion kills that human being and that killing an innocent, defenseless human being in his mother’s womb is WRONG.
spambot,
3500+ babies will be electively killed today for $$$. Their mothers will be wounded today by paying someone to kill their babies for $$$.
It is way past freaking time we call abortion out as the evil it is!!!! The holocaust that it is!!!
Also, I would love to hear all of the ideas you have to inform, educate and wake up the world to what abortion does to an innocent human being.
I saw an ad about texting and driving not too long ago. Totally graphic. Scared the bejeebers out of me. I haven’t texted in my car since.
Carla, I saw those texting ads too. And I haven’t even glanced in the direction of my phone while in the car! Amazing how that works!
In driver’s ed class (with KIDS, gasp) they DO show graphic photos of severed heads and horrible injuries caused by drunk driving, speeding, not wearing a seatbelt, trying to “beat a train” and driver over railroad tracks.
Cause showing graphic truth works. These images imprint themselves in your brain so that when you consider not wearing a seatbelt or trying to beat a train over the tracks you think twice!
Graphic abortion photos have saved lives. They have changed minds. They work.
As a mother of 6, I can understand the concern expressed by several about being able to comfortably watch the Super Bowl without having their children seeing graphic abortion images (that the parent may then need to explain or address). HOWEVER, are those same parents cuddled up on the couch with the kiddos watching beer ads? Soft pornography? Ads about erectile disfunction, birth control, the morning after pill and condoms? And don’t forget the profanity! Where is the concern about the other, traditionally represented forms of “graphic content”…which is apparently perfectly suited for children as no one is requesting or requiring a disclaimer & parents routinely allow kids to watch these types of ads. Hypocritical? I support the use of the ads because we have 39 yrs of talk. 39 years of debating. 39 yrs of playing by their rules and 39 years of allowing the horrific reality of abortion to remain hidden in a vain attention to appear nice. And what has it gotten us? 55 million dead babies & generations who will continue to kill babies & support abortion out of ignorance.
Jack, why don’t you like my idea for a commercial? Is it not accurate? Abortion is a choice, right? (I am sure it could be improved!!!)
Or is it because it associates abortion with coffee drinking and you don’t like that. Would you prefer that people be able to drink their coffee in blissful ignorance of the reality of abortion?
Personally, I think the fancy left who drink their $3 dollar coffees would perhaps understand the analogy in this commercial better than most people. They probably own coffee grinding machines!!
Jack, perhaps the commercial should have the following warning: “If you are pro-abortion parent don’t be an idiot and say to your child that you would’ve aborted them if your personal circumstances were different. Furthermore, you ******* don’t say this kind of comment because you could psychologically harm your child. PS – If you are a pro-abort parent go for some counselling yourself because you should not be pro-abortion.”
reality, you pseudo-humanitarian, could you hold the aspirator that sucks the child into a blood and guts slushie?
Could you use the cranioclast to crush the fetus’s skull?
Where IS Reality??
Crickets.
@MoronicPro-choicequotes, I did send this “doctor” (from the Netherlands I think?) a message to her facebook about how this is wrong. What happened to “do no harm”? My message to her was respectful. Thank you for the reminder.
its amazing how many parents will watch graphically violent shows in their home with their children in the room but then they throw a fit when THE TRUTH is shown on television? this isnt any worse than what kids are subjected to when their parents watch CSI, yet no one thinks about that.
nobody complains when me or my children have to watch go daddy ads and other inappropriate commercials..during “family” tv. Show the ads!! Maybe the children will “get” it… where so many adults don’t.. They are killing children, yet worry about what other children see on tv …come on people!
This is a tough one, because I am very pro-life and I would love to see abortions end. As a parent of 5 young children, I would be upset to see the ads aired without warnings. I have a couple very sensitive kids who are prone to night terrors and vivid nightmares. Images like these would NOT be something that I would want them to see. There are other effective approaches that can be used that are less graphic but still make people think, the 180movie for example.
It is appalling to me that people are so worried about their young kids seeing something like this, but we are immune to the beer and sex ads that run. We are such an immoral people that we are ok with our kids seeing women as sex objects and beer as the drink of choice for adults.
@Dina,, That is exactly what I was getting ready to write.. I’m reading alot about people Not wanting their kids to see these graphic images,, YET there are women with their breasts almost completely exposed, showing half their butts, and this is somehow *ok* for their children to view? Hmm, makes me wonder?
As a post-abortive woman, I am very divided on this issue. I believe there is a time and place for showing graphic images, but I do not think the SuperBowl is the place. I work actively in the pro-life movement with Silent No More Awareness, and I believe there are more effective ways to reach people. If graphic images are shown, they should be shown person to person. I know many of you will disagree with me, and that’s OK. I know people who will only be angered by this, and we will not have won them over. They will only continue to categorize us as fanatics. What is our goal?
Having said all this, I also know how the German people reacted when they actually went into the concentration camps after WWII and saw the piles of bones of the Jews. They were horrified by those images, even though they probably knew some of what was going on.
But after much soul-searching, I still contend that the better way is to reach the hearts of people in a different way. And I do that day by day, without ceasing. If you show these images to an unprepared audience which has hardened, angry hearts, they will only become angrier, and we will have lost the battle. Preach with love and patience, and in time it will have its effect. Peace to all.
“That is why they have to see the truth. That is why we have to help them start connecting the dots.
And btw, their parents tell them that regardless of whether or not graphic ads are shown during a commercial on the Superbowl.”
I know what you are saying, X. I really do. I just know personally what kind of emotional damage those signs can cause when added to a mother who tells you that she wished she had done that to you. First off, I really wish children could be left out of the abortion issue all together, I don’t think it’s healthy at such a young age, but that’s just my personal opinion and how I wish to raise MY children. Since other people disagree with me and will bring their children into it, I wish to find a way to possibly reach kids of pro-abort parents that doesn’t involve that kind of damage that I had to suffer, but still gets them on the road to pro-life, hopefully overtaking any pro-choice rhetoric that they hear at home. That’s why I like the fetal development type of commercials, positive messages that convey the humanity of the unborn with pictoral proof!
Tyler, to be blunt, I don’t like your commercial because it’s over the top and I doubt that most people would watch it. It isn’t enough to just have the truth… you also have to be able to market it so it actually gets seen an absorbed.
And for the last time, some parents might think sexual imagery is okay and not violent imagery. Some might think alcohol ads are okay while they cover their kid’s eyes during the animal abuse commercials. It’s their right as parents to decide what is appropriate for their children at what ages. Some infringement on that is unavoidable, but it’t still their right. And somehow I think that more people will be upset about dead babies than boobs. But that’s just me.
Perhaps they can turn the commercial into a surprise/suspense video. The setting could be a patron approaching what looks like a coffee clerk (except the clerk is wearing a physician’s garb). The “coffee” clerk asks: how would you like “it” (the vague reference goes well with the pro-choice rhetoric) ground?
Once the patron responds…
the camera scans to the aspirator/slurpee/mulching machine…
After a few minutes of hearing the aspirator do its thing the camera could follow the patron leaving the “coffee” mill walking a little funny… in track pants off course with “the property of the University of …” written across the butt area of the track pants (not her body after all!).
Let the audience figure out what the commercial was about. What the “it” referred to.
The close-out segment could simply say it was brought to you by the “Pro-Life” Group.
More than being exposed to these pictures I don’t want children exposed to pro-choice people and their insane logic. I don’t want the pro-aborts to have a chance to corrupt the minds of our children. These videos might actually stop our children from obtaining an abortion and from participating in the horror show THAT THEY NEVER SEE.
Are the graphic images a good thing or a bad thing? I don’t know. What I do know is that something needs done about abortion and this is a good sort of way to do it. I’m also glad I saw this article. I have several small, emotionally sensitive sisters, and we will all be avidly watching the Super Bowl. Thanks for the heads up!
“Little kids don’t need to understand everything to understand that humans killing other humans is wrong. They get it. You don’t.” – perhaps they should have a chat with Rick Perry then.
“Kids get it, instinctively. They know that’s a baby in there when they see a pregnant woman. It’s like saying “2 =2+4? or “The sun is hot.” THEY GET IT” – come off it. They have a simplistic and unexplored view of the world. Pro-choicers were children too, but as we grew and learned about the world voila!
“I fail to see how knowledge of conception, reasons for aborting, fetal development etc… would change my reaction to seeing a baby’s severed head held by forceps.” – while it’s understandable that you were horrified, you were not fully informed. That’s normal.
The Abortion Holocaust makes Nazi’s look sane. CSI “entertainment” is filled with images far more “graphic” than the ad. The only valid argument against is “it’s not the most effective way to expose The Murder”, forty years and fifty seven million dead children more than counter that argument.
A warning, a woman’s voice and places to go for support are all good suggestions. What ever it takes to bring the carnage to an end! I don’t think there is any way to stop the deceived from having “hurt feelings” when they see what they’ve done but healing can’t start until they realize it.
“And for the last time, some parents might think sexual imagery is okay and not violent imagery. Some might think alcohol ads are okay while they cover their kid’s eyes during the animal abuse commercials. It’s their right as parents to decide what is appropriate for their children at what ages. ”
Do you think there should be warnings before sexual imagery, animal abuse and alcohol ads, Jack?
“ I just know personally what kind of emotional damage those signs can cause when added to a mother who tells you that she wished she had done that to you. ”
The signs don’t cause the emotional damage, Jack. The abusive parent does. Seeing these photos as a child didn’t emotionally damage me. A loving parent explains how this is a terrible evil in our world that we need to stop. The fact that abusive parents say things like this further solidifies that abortion needs to become illegal. Threats to kill a child is right up an abusive parents alley.
We don’t keep from showing alcohol ads because some kids have alcoholic parents. We don’t ban cheerleaders because some kids might have stripper parents.
“First off, I really wish children could be left out of the abortion issue all together”
Me too. If children were not legally being aborted, we wouldn’t have to show the photos.
“And somehow I think that more people will be upset about dead babies than boobs. ”
As they should be.
Reality, there is nothing normal about abortion. Little kids can see this. Your Abnormal Reality cannot.
“there is nothing normal about abortion.” – the eternal practice of it and the sheer numbers of it imply otherwise.
“Little kids can see this.” – what, like they see the tooth fairy and santa? Little kids believe all sorts of things. Some of these change as they grow, learn and obtain experience.
“Your Abnormal Reality cannot” – so many people support it that it is legal and abundant. That is the reality.
Do you think there should be warnings before sexual imagery, animal abuse and alcohol ads, Jack?
I’m not Jack, but I’d personally love some warnings before those freakin’ Victoria’s Secret ads that come on during prime time when my kids are up.
The signs don’t cause the emotional damage, Jack. The abusive parent does.
I agree. My kids have seen some photos. I work for an online pro-life website, so they’re going to see the pictures at times. We’ve discussed abortion, the Holocaust, slavery, etc., and they’ve seen some of the photos pertaining to each of these human atrocities, and they’re not damaged.
“We’ve discussed abortion, the Holocaust, slavery, etc., and they’ve seen some of the photos pertaining to each of these human atrocities, and they’re not damaged.”
And yet you eschew public schooling for your children. Interesting.
A single picture says a thousands words.
Once an image is burned into someone’s mind, they will never forget it. The emotions they associate with it are their own. I think it is vital that there are resources listed afterward so people have a place to go after experiencing the initial shock.
There is no reputation, no trauma, that can excuse softening the graphic reality of America’s tolerance for abortion. I’m sorry, there really isn’t.
It is our job, as parents, to prepare our children for this imperfect world. I opt to prepare my kids with prenatal development first, so whenever they see a picture of an aborted child, they will immediately recognize that SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT. They will question why “the baby is broken”, and reach their own conclusions as to whether that broken baby was a woman’s right or not. Maybe a pro-choicer could then show happy, successful post-abortive women. I’m pretty sure the response would be revulsion, as it should be.
EXCELLENT videos of REAL developing prenatal children
http://www.ehd.org/
my 5 year old always asks to watch the baby’s heartbeat, and no, i never told her the 6 week old embryo is a baby–she figured it out herself without my prompting :)
besides, if pro-aborts are so quick to redefine what a baby isn’t, then they should be consistent and also chastise every one who calls their car, dog, or sweetheart “baby”.
We can’t keep playing by the rules of “civility” that overrides truth and justice instead of serves it.
Letter from Birmingham Jail — April 16, 1963
While jailed for leading anti-segregation protests in Birmingham, King wrote this letter arguing that individuals have the moral duty to disobey unjust laws.
~We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly I have never yet engaged in a direct action movement that was “well timed,” according to the timetable of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word “Wait!” It rings in the ear of every Negro with a piercing familiarity. This “wait” has almost always meant “never.” We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that “justice too long delayed is justice denied.”~
The oppressed are the aborted. The oppressor is abortion and those who support it. How much longer shall we “wait” for a “well timed” moment?
“there is nothing normal about abortion.” – the eternal practice of it and the sheer numbers of it imply otherwise.
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Same can be said of child abuse and rape. Nothing normal about those evil acts either.
I hear you, Kel. When those degrading commercials come on we switch the station. And our kids are teens! We have talked to them about objectification of females in our country and that to buy items from places like Victoria’s Secret is to support that objectification.
Probably at least 99.5% of the population are against the ‘evil acts’ of child abuse and rape.
Significantly less are against abortion. Which isn’t an ‘evil act’.
There are significantly more abortions than sex crimes. Most see it as a viable option.
Child abuse and rape are perpetrated against other persons. Abortion isn’t. As the votes have shown us.
And yet you eschew public schooling for your children.
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Are they showing abortion pics along with slavery and Holocaust pics at public schools now, Megan? Are public school showing ultrasound photos during health class? With all the technology we have, it wouldn’t be hard to show live ultrasounds in public schools. Do you support this?
So when the votes show differently, you will feel differently, Reality?
reality stop hiding behind the law.
stop taking your cues from the legal system.
tell us what you think – would you participate in an abortion? Could you crush a baby’s head? Distribute a pill so that she can kill her baby the “morning after”?
if you can’t genuinely support the laws yourself have the backbone to say the laws are wrong. you won’t be thrown in jail for disagreeing with the laws that permit abortion.
Do you fear that you will no longer be embraced by the left, feminist and radical homosexual communities.
The question is rather moot, but no I wouldn’t. Why don’t you feel differently given the current vote?
Let’s be realistic.
Child abuse and rape are seen as heinous acts by virtually everyone.
Murder is almost universally decried. Yet it appears to possess ‘degrees’.
In regards to abortion, it’s about 60/40. And of the 40% who are totally against it, not all see it as being as reprehensible as child abuse, rape or perhaps murder.
So to claim that abortion is an ‘evil act’ equivalent to child abuse or rape simply doesn’t have the level of support to justify the claim beyond being the subjective opinion of some people.
Sure. Everything that’s legal is also right. That’s why slavery was a great idea, and so was exterminating Jews. Legal means “good/right/just”. Duh.
“Do you think there should be warnings before sexual imagery, animal abuse and alcohol ads, Jack? ”
Heck yeah. I think advertisers would do well to have such warnings. I don’t think they should be legally required, just as I don’t think that warnings before graphic abortion ads should be legally required (for the most part), but I think they would be a great idea.
”The signs don’t cause the emotional damage, Jack. The abusive parent does.”
It can make the trauma worse and longer lasting… like if an abused child tries to get help and is blamed/not believed, it compounds the damage done by the abuse. Being told how great life would have been if you had been killed before birth, or that your mom really considered having you aborted and decided against it, and then having the gruesome reality shoved in your face, yeah, it compounds the damage. You can disagree, but I truly believe that it does.
But anyway, there isn’t anything else to say, we just disagree. I will change the channel during commercials and eat sour grapes because everyone doesn’t agree with me. ;)
I don’t get why prochoicers don’t embrace these kind of ads.
I mean, it’s just reality. It’s just what happens.
Why get emotional?
So someone else thinks abortion is wrong? If you don’t, celebrate it- own up to the images of dead fetal tissue and feel good about yourself. There’s nothing wrong, right?
“I fail to see how knowledge of conception, reasons for aborting, fetal development etc… would change my reaction to seeing a baby’s severed head held by forceps.” – while it’s understandable that you were horrified, you were not fully informed. That’s normal.
LOL
Yeah, you need to be re educated!!!
ve have vays of making you informed!!
Reality is practically a self parody of himself!!
Tyler, the obvious lack of insight displayed in your questions and the pre-emptive and presumptive nature of your final sentence indicate that a fuller response is required.
“reality stop hiding behind the law…..stop taking your cues from the legal system” – hardly. I have made it abundantly clear that I don’t think abortion is ‘wrong’ whether it is illegal or not. This doesn’t mean that I encourage law-breaking however.
This responds to your comment also xalisae.
Despite the inability of many here to discern, in relation to abortion I am pro-choice.
Being pro-choice, as I have explained so, so often, means that I fully support the right of women to choose to have an abortion if it is what they wish, desire or need. Or to not have one if that is the case.
I do not think that every pregnancy should end in abortion. I have never stated such.
So, apart from the fact that I don’t possess the prerequisite skills and qualifications, why should or would I need to perform an abortion?
I don’t support marijuana being illegal yet I do not use it or deal in it. Never have.
I detest homophobia and support gay marriage, yet I am not gay.
Supporting peoples’ right to do things does not mean we need to participate.
If you support the death penalty, would you be happy to pull the switch?
OH, I just thought of another great substitute for a moral compass besides the law. Public opinion! In the middle east for entertainment, it’s “Let’s stone a rape victim to death!” and in the states we have American Idol.
Folks, emotion is part of life. I would be more worried about a kid who didn’t have nightmares.
Think about it. Eventually we will all see something awful. Our horror and disgust is normal (notice even the commenter Reality noted it as such) There is something wrong with the cold, unemotional, evil killers, not the empathetic sorts who have nightmares about truly evil things that are really happening. It is cowardly to run from even knowing about evil. It must be recognized and confronted. Kids need to face the evil of abortion before they join the ranks of the powerful while they are still empathetic to the powerless and vulnerable because they are themselves powerless and vulnerable. Notice Reality’s dismissiveness of the “others” who are vulnerable and powerless. No empathy for the “other” in society. While religious pro lifers who waited till they were married for sex are able to embrace the “other” in society who is in a crisis pregnancy of her own making and still love and support her, folks like Reality utterly reject the “other” in society and think that they deserve death. Reality can’t embrace or love the “other” or even see his humanity. He is just trash.
while it’s understandable that you were horrified, you were not fully informed. That’s normal.
Yeah…umm…we can explain the dead baby parts! Just…give us a second here…ummm…
I’m sure that woman had a good reason to kill that baby! There, does that make you feel better little girl?
reality, i don’t support the death penalty.
By the way your reply made me laugh!!!
At least you opened up a little more.
Reality, we have already established that there is no such thing as pro-choice…you are pro-abortion. The choice that women face is: to abort or to deliver a live baby. It is the same choice for evey woman, every time. It doesn’t change. The fact that you will support women to “choose” abortion means you are pro-abortion and have discounted the life of that particular unborn child. Whether you support the killing of 10,000 unborn children or just 1 – your support of abortion is still evil because abortion is an evil act. I didn’t think you would be so callous as to resort to a numbers game in order to alleviate your conscience.
Furthermore, the fact you believe a woman’s “choice” is of more value than the life of the unborn is equally dispicable.
reality, “choosing” by itself dosn’t make an action ethical moral. One needs to consider a lot more than just the intention of the person in order to determine if an act is ethical or not.
reality, if abortion is not wrong in your opinion – how do you determine when an action is wrong? Do you have any critieria that you go by? What actions do you think are wrong?
“By the way your reply made me laugh!!!” – that says more about you than it does about me.
“At least you opened up a little more” – I didn’t say a single thing I haven’t said before.
“we have already established that there is no such thing as pro-choice…you are pro-abortion.” – er, no we haven’t. That’s just a claim made by those who refuse to acknowledge that I and others like me support choice in the first instance and as our primary intent.
“The choice that women face is: to abort or to deliver a live baby.” – yep, that would be ‘choice’.
“It is the same choice for evey woman, every time. It doesn’t change.” – as it should be.
“The fact that you will support women to “choose” abortion means you are pro-abortion and have discounted the life of that particular unborn child.” – You mean I support abortion as one of a range of choices and that abortion is the terminating of a developing fetus.
“Whether you support the killing of 10,000 unborn children or just 1 – your support of abortion is still evil because abortion is an evil act.” – subjective opinion.
“I didn’t think you would be so callous as to resort to a numbers game in order to alleviate your conscience.” – a numbers game, how so???
“Furthermore, the fact you believe a woman’s “choice” is of more value than the life of the unborn is equally dispicable.” – yeah, I know you don’t understand.
“choosing” by itself dosn’t make an action ethical moral. One needs to consider a lot more than just the intention of the person in order to determine if an act is ethical or not.” – can’t say that I disgree with your statement on the face of it. I’ve tried to explain something along the lines of that concept here myself.
Aside from the fact that homosexuality and mj smoking is not entirely akin to abortion, they don’t result in the immediate death of a human being like abortion does. Furthermore, you must believe that these things (homosexuality and mj smoking) do not cause harm to others. [Although I should probably request whether you care about other human beings as I am not sure I would get a straight answer.] I would argue that you should have to try these things in order to ensure that they are harmful if you are going to permit others to do them. Similarly you should be prepared to do an abortion if you don’t think it should be illegal. Why would anyone advocate for the legalization of particular actions if they don’t think those actions will benefit people (in the case of abortion I assert that the unborn is a person/people)?
What does this following sentence mean reality?
“That’s just a claim made by those who refuse to acknowledge that I and others like me support choice in the first instance and as our primary intent.”
Abortion supporters like Reality love to talk about how normal abortion is. Our “propaganda” is merely affirming the results of your normalcy.
“Are public school showing ultrasound photos during health class? With all the technology we have, it wouldn’t be hard to show live ultrasounds in public schools.”
If administrators could get somebody to consent to a live ultrasound viewing, then sure. We watched Nova specials on pregnancy and childbirth in 7th grade–I think it was a pretty strong prophylactic for our class, if only a temporary one.
“You mean I support abortion as one of a range of choices and that abortion is the terminating of a developing fetus.”
reality, this is a bold face lie from you – you do not support a range of choices. The only way you support of a range of choices is if you “average” out the experiences of DIFFERENT women and/or DIFFERENT choices at DIFFERENT times - which as human beings can not be done. You must take each choice by each woman seriously and you have not done that. And by not valuing each of their choices as distinct you have devalued all of their choices.
Nice try, but once again your logic is just horrible.
The only problem I have with your pro-choice position is the “portion” that supports abortion. It is one “option” unlike all the rest.
“I would argue that you should have to try these things in order to ensure that they are harmful if you are going to permit others to do them” – why? I’m happy for you to have a dog but I don’t want one. What about foods you wish to eat but I may be allergic to? Shall I not let you have them?
“Why would anyone advocate for the legalization of particular actions if they don’t think those actions will benefit people” – abortion does benefit people.
“What does this following sentence mean reality?” – what is it that you can’t understand about it?
“this is a bold face lie from you – you do not support a range of choices.” how do you justify that? I have repeatedly stated that I support birth, adoption and abortion, whatever a woman chooses.
“The only way you support of a range of choices is if you “average” out the experiences of DIFFERENT women and/or DIFFERENT choices at DIFFERENT times - which as human beings can not be done. You must take each choice by each woman seriously and you have not done that. And by not valuing each of their choices as distinct you have devalued all of their choices.” – what a turgid little trip and stumble of incoherence and illogical concepts.
“abortion does benefit people.”
that statement makes as much sense as saying that slavery benefits people.
If it happens to save one baby’s innocent life, isn’t it worth airing?
This person living in un-Reality seems to be okay with baby killing in the matrix, but could that be because he has already been born?
BTW, I agree that the female voice speaking would likely be more effective, since this seems to be a supposed “feminist” cause for a woman to choose.
Also it is ashame the utter ignorance the people of our nation are possessed with concerning the overlooking of the hyper-fornications broadcasted worldwide without adequate concern for the exponential effects of the fleshly, hypnotic, devil-proselytizing filth their children (and even those adults) are being cataclysmized with and somehow phathom the protesting of this disclosure of the horrors and evils of the practices of abortion is noble. They do not like the idea of the confrontation from their children. Cussing, fornications, perversions, drunkeness, and all sins on TV are horrible. Difference is, this is not being shown for their recreations and entertainment.
P.S. The midwives who feared God and did not obey the order of the Egyptian Pharaoh were blessed by God for it (Exodus 1:20-21).
I don’t think it would be problem finding a consenting prolife women for the ultrasound.
What about showing an abortion and the resulting fetus in highschool health classes, Megan? Support or oppose?
“Why would anyone advocate for the legalization of particular actions if they don’t think those actions will benefit people” – abortion does benefit people.
Yeah, the powerful. The powerful always want to organize society for their own benefit. That’s why the rich pay so little in taxes. Warren Buffet noted how little he pays because the powerful structured the tax codes for their own benefit.
Another bucket of duh.
Abortion doesn’t benefit the vulnerable child whose humanity is denied.
I would love to see the “Into My Arms” Promo Video be aired as a commercial. So many walking wounded who need to heal…there is hope and help for healing this wound to the soul. http://www.rthm.cc/into-my-arms.asp, please watch it and pass it on…let’s get it going viral!
hippie where is the first part of your ID?
I would rather offend and have the opportunity to explain an issue like this to my young grandchild than to keep the issue muted. Thank God my children and grandchild is alive to view and live and grow in faith and courage – the children in those ads and the 50 Millions who have died in the U.S. alone since Roe v Wade, do not and never will have the opportunity to be offended!! Praise God for this very bold move. God bless Amerca!!
About the DIY abortion instructions on facebook, there are several different profiles that have those misoprostol abortion instructions posted as their profile pictures. Below is a list of the profile links of the ones I noticed with those misoprostol abortion instructions to seek help from all of you who will help by coming against this wickedness and reporting it to facebook:
here is the first one:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=670464834&ref=pb
here are others:
http://www.facebook.com/julia.elliskahana?ref=pb
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001464279263&ref=pb
and here are more:
http://www.facebook.com/margalacabe?ref=pb
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=666919738&ref=pb
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000459762419&ref=pb
“What about showing an abortion and the resulting fetus in highschool health classes, Megan? Support or oppose?”
Support, but without any accompanying pro-life propaganda. Pregnancy, childbirth, abortion–let students see all the procedures, give them the facts, and let them make their minds up for themselves.
Here is one of the millitant promoters and one calling for the reposting of the gross instructions:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001464279263&ref=pb#!/VesseltheFilm
Okay Megan, be sure that the abortion is shown without any accompanying pro-choice apologetics or euphemisms. The only thing going in your favor of winning over students to your side is the Bystander Effect.
I think herestheblood.com would be good, Megan. No sound needed.
Megan, I am so glad you want folks to see the truth. Because the truth is blood. And bodies. And a dead heart(s)
I’m thankful you don’t live in my state (apparently) either.
OH MY GOD – I do not believe what is happening in America…..
I don’t like murder of any kind….
So.when do we start showing close ups of the mangled dismantled bodies of all t hose crazed people who have tortured, and physically abused people.
This is totally unbelievable.
So you pious people want to show dismantled fetuses but then attend church the next day? Spare me..YOu are the same people who rant and rave that bad language is used on TV – yet you want to show murder…
What are you doing to stop these murders, G. Sully? Sitting at home counting all the obscene words on TV and counting the prolifers at church?
upset that we’re showing them…
Not so upset that it’s legal….hmmm….
YES, abortion is graphic. Randall explains upfront why we use such images in schools, precisely so children CAN see and believe.
I was prolife and at a March for Life – when I saw the parts of an actual aborted baby brought past my eyes. This began my journey of identifying with the preborn, incldudign joining Mr. Terry for rescues. The lack of graphics is one big reason why it continues. It should be on the nightly news every single evening, just like war reports. For it is far worse. Our country is under judgment already for ignoring this. If we do not repent this year, children will see violence in their own streets; perhaps parents taken away. It is good and right that they know why, and that the nation begins talking about this issue as adults. We have had enough childish yelling at each other and priggish, effeminate nonsense in the face of regular, willful, hot-blooded murder.