Inside story on Komen split from Planned Parenthood
I was on the road yesterday afternoon when the news broke that Susan G. Komen for the Cure was defunding Planned Parenthood.
Since then abortion proponents and news organizations have worked themselves into a frenzy speculating why it happened and who is to blame – from George W. Bush, to new SGK VP of public policy Karen Handel.
This is the first chance I’ve had to sit down and write what I know.
I have a source who reaches into the SGK board of directors. My source told me in December this split was in the works but that SGK did not want to make a big splash about it. Their plan was to disentangle from Planned Parenthood quietly and move on.
It was Planned Parenthood, not SGK, that tipped off the Associated Press with the news of the break, just as it was Planned Parenthood that tipped off the AP about Live Action’s sex trafficking sting, and Planned Parenthood that tipped off Washington Post’s Sarah Kliff about Congressman Cliff Stearns’ investigation.
Planned Parenthood’s modus operandi is to try to destroy its enemy first. Planned Parenthood does this to try to manage the messaging and ameliorate the damage. Note from the AP article:
Komen, while not publicly announcing its decision to halt the grants, has conveyed the news to its 100-plus U.S. affiliates. Richards said she was informed via a phone call from Komen’s president, Elizabeth Thompson, in December.
My source said Planned Parenthood broke the story for an additional reason: to frighten other corporations from trying to do what SGK did. See what will happen to you if you dare, is Planned Parenthood’s underlying warning. My source said this will not work. Other organizations are anticipated to follow SGK’s lead.
People are speculating whether SGK will begin funding PP again if the Stearns’ investigation goes nowhere. The answer is no. Two reasons, according to my source.
First, PP burned a bridge by breaking the story. Second, note SGK’s new criteria that stipulates it will give no grant money to “organizations that are under local, state or federal investigations.” Aside from the federal investigation, Planned Parenthood is currently being investigated in several states. Those will never end. There will always be another. SGK does not plan to fund PP ever again.
SGK’s back-up plan is to initiate another new policy that will only allow grants to go to organizations that focus on breast health.
The biggest reason SGK stopped funding Planned Parenthood? “Nancy Brinker [SGK chairwoman, pictured right] said she was spending nearly half her time dealing with the Planned Parenthood issue,” said my source. “She decided she just couldn’t do it any longer.”
Quite simply, Planned Parenthood is poison.
According to my source, there are still five SGK affiliates that have contractual agreements with Planned Parenthood thru 2012, made before the new policy was enacted. The Denver SGK affiliate says its agreement with PP runs through March 2013.
Nevertheless, I think pro-lifers should start donating to SGK now to show our appreciation. And we should also thank SGK for doing the right thing. You can do both here. At present pro-aborts are pummeling SGK. As we all know, they excel at bullying.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I am so happy with SGK I can’t even tell you! It sounds like they are not going to cave under pressure either! That’s what I call strong women! Why doesn’t SGK take all the money that would have been going to PP and build mamo centers for poor women everywhere? They could all be painted pink too! :) Makes sense to me.
I do wish they would acknowledge the abortion/breast cancer link.
Maybe they will? After this anything is possible.
Planned Parenthood continues to shoot itself in the foot. Who are we to stop them?
May the Komen foundation see its most prosperous years ahead.
I don’t get why a breast cancer charity wouldn’t put their $ towards research rather than PP or another org.
Be sure to follow Jill’s link and write a thank you note to Susan G. Komen. Planned Parenthood is such a bunch of bullies that you can bet they will scream and threaten like crazy. Watch their latest propaganda video, just so we know how much the fight for life is heating up this year:
http://www.womenarewatching.org/article/watch-new-women-are-watching-kickoff-video
Prepare, fast, and most of all pray to ask Jesus to defeat PP. Now or never!
I know a lot of people, people with BC or who has had a relative, who don’t like Komen simply because most of their money does NOT go to research.
Why would they acknowledge something which isn’t true Carla?
Just because you want something to be true doesn’t mean it is.
You protest outside peoples homes, schools and churches just because you don’t like their legitimate employment.
You boycott businesses because PP or its employees may be amongst their clients/customers.
And then you accuse PP of bullying!
I absolutely disagree that anyone should donate to Komen, even with this news. Although we are thrilled that they got sick of PP and their scandals because it was staining Komen’s rep, keep in mind that Komen is still publishing very skewed information about the links between abortion and breast cancer. Example: http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/BreastCancerRiskFactorsTable.html towards bottom of first box, stating ‘little to no risk’ despite numerous studies. I do not believe any of us should support organizations like this until they show honesty and credibility! And please; Komen poured tons of funds to PP when unaware donors were horrified to find this out, many still don’t know. And as your article says, many affiliations to PP will remain intact until 2013. I say we thank them, and until they can prove they are truly for women, hold off on supporting them. In the meantime, support prolife agencies who are trying to get the truth to women who need us!
I think people need to wake up and start embracing some moderation on some of these issues. Leaving Susan G. Komen to the wolves because it doesn’t take a position on the breast cancer/abortion link right now is not going to help stop PP from bullying people to get what it wants.
I am sending a note of thanks to SGK, with a bit of thanks, and a reminder that they have a duty to spread the truth about the contraception/abortion/breast cancer connection.
Let us praise their turn in the right direction, and encourage them to do more.
Really, I don’t care what organization a charity decides to donate to, I’m just amused by all the “I refuse to donate to SGK!!!” posts that are online, considering SGK said they’d be giving the money allotted to PP to other women’s health clinics or whatever you want to call them. But that doesn’t matter. Apparently, for pro-choicers, it’s really all about abortion.
Actually Komen just acknowledged that pregnancy in many cases helps a woman in not developing breast cancer – if the pregnancy is early enough in her life… this is on their website … they are getting closer to understanding this. The next logical step is acknowledging that abortion robs women of this early pregnancy, and that alone lessens the protection that women have versus breast cancer.
And that the WHO named hormonal contraceptives as a category 1 carcinogen, it’s only a matter of time when Komen keeps their ties to Planned Parenthood at arms length, permanently (hopefully).
i agree that we should encourage them to stay away from partnering with Planned Parenthood.
Hey, Capone went down for tax evasion…the new criteria is a technicality and we’ll take it!!! Here is the cherry on the cake:
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/01/komen-also-stops-funding-embryonic-stem-cell-research-centers/
Put on the pink shoes people, it is time to support this organization with full pro life force!!!!
Jill, you are publicly promoting the idea that pro lifers should send money to an organization that:
A) A) You just admitted will be sending money to Planned Parenthood for at least another year.
B) B) Sends money to numerous OTHER abortion providers as a matter of policy, and thus continues to finance abortionists to the detriment of other breast cancer prevention organizations that refuse to associate themselves with abortionists – such as the Breast Cancer Prevention Institute..
C) C) Continues to deny the proven breast cancer link to synthetic estrogen and progestins (“birth control pills”) and deliberately keeps women in the dark that they are Group One carcinogens according to the World Health Organization – while our breast cancer rate has TRIPLED since their arrival on the scene in 1960.
D) D) Continues to deny the abortion/breast cancer link and keeps women in the dark about that also despite the vast majority of studies showing otherwise, and the mountains of empirical evidence also showing that it is at least very plausible.
This is likely to boomerang on all of us once Komen reminds the world that this was never about abortion or even beast cancer – but, rather, about jumping a sinking ship of financial fraud and keeping their accounting books away from it. I’m afraid this is in indicative of, and fodder for, my long standing belief that pro life has let itself become obsessed with one organization while basically ignoring all the others – including the dozens of universities that do abortions in house. This has never been a good strategy, and I’m afraid that we are all about to get a harsh lesson in why that is.
@Cristina: Wow! That is really awesome. I’m totally buying pink ribbony stuff again.
You accuse pro-choicers of being “bullies” in the same article that you allege that a cancer charity stopped providing money for breast cancer screening because you people turned “the Planned Parenthood issue” into such a nightmare that she “couldn’t handle” it?
So let me get this straight…it’s ok for you people to bully someone into submission, even if that ends up costing lives, but it’s wrong for other people to withdraw their support when they cave to your demands…because that’s bullying? Wow.
The saddest part is that you probably don’t even see the hypocrisy.
“Nancy Brinker said she was spending nearly half her time dealing with the Planned Parenthood issue”
Was it the “Planned Parenthood issue” or the “abortion-breast cancer hypothesis issue”?
Support Komen when they refuse to tell women the truth about the link between breast cancer and abortion and steroidal contraceptives? I think not. It’s time to pressure Komen to come clean with the facts, not reward them for distancing themselves from liars in order to avoid the inevitable fallout that Planned Parenthood is facing. It is disingenuous of Komen to hide behind their “newly adopted criteria”, i.e.federal investigations, when women are being mislead about the most avoidable cause of breast cancer. Komen is well aware of the scientific data on the ABC link. They believe that their only hope to stay afloat is to abandon their partner in crime. The noble thing to do would be to admit their deception and release the truth. That may not save Komen but it would save countless lives.
@Prairiewind: Komen also dismisses the ABC hypothesis as a “debate in the past.”
Or maybe SGK can take some of the half a million dollars that the pay their CEO’s yearly salary with and put it toward… god, i don’t know, anything related to finding a cure? She makes in a year nearly twice what they were funding planned parenthood.
“I think people need to wake up and start embracing some moderation on some of these issues. Leaving Susan G. Komen to the wolves because it doesn’t take a position on the breast cancer/abortion link right now is not going to help stop PP from bullying people to get what it wants.”
Hey! I know you. You post(ed) over at Rhrealitycheck. Glad to see you’re here :)
“Komen is well aware of the scientific data on the ABC link.” – yes, and that is why they dismiss it.
“Really, I don’t care what organization a charity decides to donate to, I’m just amused by all the “I refuse to donate to SGK!!!” posts that are online, considering SGK said they’d be giving the money allotted to PP to other women’s health clinics or whatever you want to call them. But that doesn’t matter. Apparently, for pro-choicers, it’s really all about abortion.”
It’s really all about integrity. While I am not at all convinced that Jill Stanek’s “inside source” is anything more than one of the voices in her head, the universal consensus seems to be that SGK’s reasons for abandoning Planned Parenthood are the result of a shallow and self-interested PR calculus, not an ideological conversion or a determination that those funds could be spent more efficiently. Why would anyone want to support that kind of craven political maneuvering? I find it especially laughable that some “pro-lifers” are soliciting donations on behalf of SGK now, as if Nancy Brinker or any other SGK executive has had a change of heart on abortion. SGK is still a nominally and functionally pro-choice organization (I’m sure anyone with the time and wherewithal could easily find examples of continued SGK funding of other explicitly pro-abortion organizations); the only thing that’s changed is that we now know it is thoroughly spineless as well.
As a breast cancer survivor I can finally now support Susan G. Komen. I applaud their decision to fund those entities that provide direct breast health and mammography services, not a funnel-thru like PP. PP has been taken down another notch and that is a very good thing!
Rachel,
Planned. Parenthood. Lied. About. Doing. Mammograms.
They are the ones to whom you need to vent your fury.
I would be more enthusiastic about Komen foundation if it were really interested in addressing all the means to prevent and cure breast cancer. I think it has become one of those bloated “non-profit” behemoths which burn a good portion of the funds which could have gone directly towards productive research and interventions.
Some charitable organizations begin a program of self perpetuation, to bring about job security for the employees.
The decision by Komen foundation had more to do with increasing income, and less to do with ethical reasoning.
The Komen decision to defund embryonic stem cell research is because the public is increasingly aware that it has produced no positive medical results. Geron, the former industry leader is also bailing out, and moving more resources to adult stem cell work.
People who advocate evicting new humans from their first home using deadly force have got a lot of nerve calling other people bullies.
I donated to SGK until I learned they were suing other charities because they dared to put the word cure in their names. Once I learned my donations to one charity were being used to shut downother charities, I knew it was time to donate elsewhere.
Large wounds take long time to heal. It will be some time before I’ll buy a product with a pink ribbon on it. After all, the issue wasn’t abortion that severed the link between SGK and PP.
Poor people will suffer because of this decision by Planned Parenthood. But you don’t give a damn about that, do you? Nope. Didn’t think you did.
Posts like these are what make your blog worth visiting, Jill. Keep it up!
I care less about SGK than I rejoice every. single. time. Planned Parenthood gets a kick in the gut. Couldn’t happen to a nicer group of butchers.
Fox News’ report this morning (Fox and Friends) on this article included a discussion with a legal analyst who stated that PP provides breast cancer screenings including mammograms and biopsies. Fox did not challenge that “fact.”
Susan G. Komen for the Cure stops funding due to the criminal investigations of Planned Parenthood.
I guess women really are watching!
Reality says: February 1, 2012 at 10:01 pm
And then you accuse PP of bullying.
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A bully by definition picks on the weak and the defenseless.
Let us compare body counts to determine just who is the bully.
I will be optomistic and estimate that 20 baby butchers or their accomplices have died as a result of the actions of a few individuals who have some link, no matter how tenuous, to pro-life folks.
In the USA alone the ‘dead babies r us’ mob have the bodies of over 50 million pre-natal children to be laid at their feet.
pp was directly involved in most of those homicides.
Do the math. It aint rocket science.
I will get a fifth grader to assist you.
Hajime, you made your perverted argument perfectly, and perfectly clear. There are no “false equivalencies” when it comes to human life. It is all equivalent. When you put the unborn on the negotiating table, you have cheapened all human life, and whe you write such nonsense on a blog like this, you cheapen yours.
I always wanted to do that 3-day walk. Now I can! Maybe we should assemble a team of pro-life walkers. We could come up with some custom t-shirts noting our pro-life position.
I love the quote about how many are starting to realize that Planned Parenthood is poison! Yes they are! I watched a YouTube video of Nancy Brinker talking about the decision, but she did so in a really veiled way. It was “way too politically correct” in its attempt not to offend people who drink the PP Kool-Aid, but it was a statement that attempted to say SGK’s mission is not PP’s and we don’t need to fund that organization (because our donors are drying up.) At least it’s the right break even if not for the right reasons. I hope more organizations can also distance themselves from the evil machine of PP.
“Anti-choicers”?
What are those? Is that another name for pro-aborts? It would certainly fit, as an aborted child is unable to make any choices regarding his/her own life.
who excel at claiming that they’re pro-life while supporting bills that would needlessly kill women in hopeless pregnancies
I don’t know of anybody who does that. Nice try, though.
who support candidates that have no problem starting wars that kill countless civilians including children and pregnant women
Not all pro-lifers supported those candidates. You are generalizing here. Personally, I was against the war in Iraq. However, to their credit, the war was not started for the purpose of intentionally killing innocent civilians (though, unfortunately, that occurred anyway). Abortion, on the other hand, is the intentional killing of an innocent human being.
who use cheap false equivalencies that cheapen the meaning of things like the Holocaust by comparing abortion to it
Both the Holocaust and abortion have killed millions of innocent people. In both cases, the victims were deemed less than human and unworthy of life. No “cheap false equivalency” there.
Jennifer,
Poor people will suffer because of this decision by Planned Parenthood.
Ever heard of the county health department? I helped perform breast exams during my OB-GYN rotation at one. Those places perform many necessary services for people in need.
You’re wrong Reality…. there is plenty of scientic proof that Abortion/Birth Control and Breast Cancer are linked! If you want to fall for PP’s BS and not go find out the facts then I guess you’re as ignorant as the statement you made to Carly!
God Bless SGK Foundation and continue to pray for them to stay strong agaist the evil forces of PP and it’s supported!!
Comparing the genocide of the pre-born with the genocide of the Jews and other “undesirables” during the Nazi Holocaust…. ennobles and immortalizes the memory of both inhuman tragedies.
And Hajime — If you want to be a consistent pro-deather, then you must give equal support to abortion, and war, and capital punishment, and euthanasia, and genocides like the Holocaust. If you only support some of these things, then you have no right to accuse pro-lifers of being inconsistent.
This started in here in Dallas when Nancy Brinker was on the Board of Directors for Planned Parenthood of North Texas. PPNT needed 475,000 to save it’s only abortion clinic in Dallas by buying the building it was to be evicted from. Brinker used Susan G. Komen funds to save the abortion clinic and hid this in paperwork as a grant for data for breast cancer research, lest they be sued for having raised money under false pretenses. The on-going grants were to hide that Brinker used funds to bail-out PPNT, to present a legitimate relationship between Planned Parenthood and Susan G. Komen. These investigations and the policy about not cooperating with organizations under investigation was merely a convenient excuse to part with PP and cease the grief that pro-lifer give the organization.
I respect that pro-lifers are calling to reward Susan G. Komen for ceasing the fraud and evil in hopes they continue to no longer commit fraud and other evil, but this organization will NEVER see a dime of my money.
“…supporting bills that would needlessly kill women in hopeless pregnancies…”
[Citation needed] Honestly, where does this even come from? Name me one bill in any developed country anywhere around the world that made killing pregnant women legal. One. Anywhere. Because if it exists, I’ve never heard of it.
Happy Groundhog’s Day everyone.
The main purpose of the association with Komen was to clothe the Planned Parenthood abortion mill with legitimacy and distract the public from its primary mission of enforcing a racist population control policy by coercing women into killing their unborn children. That’s why Planned Parenthood is shrieking so loudly — their cover is gone. No one could seriously argue that Planned Parenthood, with a billion in revenue including $250 million in taxpayer funds, is being hurt by the discontinuance of Komen’s $600 thousand stipend. That’s why the abortion lobby never complained about Komen as a “scam” or claimed Komen’s officers receive inflated salaries until it could no longer profit from the “scam.”
We’re supposed to believe that thousands of women will die because PP lost $600K? I read that those funds paid for 170,000 breast exams and 6,400 mammograms. So it’s about $4 a procedure? Women are so poor and stupid they can’t come up with the price of a Big Mac to get the exams done somewhere else?
By the way, Brinker is still on PPNT’s advisory board as of 2011:
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2012/02/01/nancy-brinkers-divided-loyalties/
Henrietta, you’re absolutely right. SGK WAS a cover for PP. Who will they hide behind now?
Courtney, good question. I imagine they’ll announce that they’re “partnering” with some fine-sounding organization very soon.
More than likely, they’ll create their OWN shell corporation called something like the “We Love Women Sooooo Much Breast Cancer Fund” and claim that it’s “dedicated” to really really really helping women unlike Komen. Or perhaps NARAL or NAF or some of the the crowd involved in those rackets will form one for PP to suck money out of. But I don’t think it will fool anyone, because people will just see it as an extension of PP rather than something independent. And I rather doubt that any legitimate independent cancer research organization will want to touch them after this controversy.
“Pro-aborts” excel at bullying? Please. It’s the anti-choice faction that harasses women walking into a clinic for healthcare (abortion or simply a Pap smear) that is their moral and legal right. The anti-choice side is the one with the history of bullying.
My removing my money and time from SGK isn’t bullying; it’s my right to decide where to spend my funds – just as it’s theirs to decide where to allocate the money they receive from people like me. In this case, we disagree on the criteria. Therefore our alliance is severed. That’s hardly bullying.
Elisa, I agree that anti-choicers can be much more aggressive in their public tactics, particularly when that is the only way to get the attention of the woman whose unborn child they are trying to save. However, what goes on inside Planned Parenthood is often much more coercive. They are there to sell abortion, and use every form of psychological pressure to seal the deal. It is very abusive,as much so as the bullying the women receive from the boyfriend, parents and other relatives who believe they should make the “choice” to abort.
So sad.
Hey Realitycheck,
Since you call yourself that, let me give you one. Since you keep saying that the studies don’t prove a link, I need to understand your math here. There are 66 known studies done on whether there is a link between abortion and breast cancer. Of those 66, 53 studies confirm a link, leaving 13 that say there isnt. Now, according to statistics, that is less than 20% of the studies denying the link. Can you mathematically explain to me how less than 20% trumps over 80%?
Reality, sorry just noticed there is no check at the end of your name.
Mira, the check’s in the mail.
Elisa,
Bullying is when big people with power pick on smaller people who lack power, kind of like adults killing babies via abortion. Why can’t you pick on someone your own size?
I am relieved that SGK is dissociating themselves from PP. MY MOTHER DIED FROM BREAST CANCER AND MY SISTER IS A SURVIVOR. I would like to be able to support them.
“Poor people will suffer because of this decision by Planned Parenthood.”
“Ever heard of the county health department? I helped perform breast exams during my OB-GYN rotation at one.”
Wow, I really want an ideologue who feels contempt for any choice I make other than hers touching my body. If you were trying to make an argument for women NOT taking advantage of government-run healthcare, you did awesome. BTW what ever happened to smaller government? Do you really think that women benefit from healthcare brought to them by the same people who brought you the Department of Motor Vehicles?
Mira: There’s no way in Antarctica you’ve ever read a study so I doubt you even know what any of them say. Regardless let me break down the simple math for you, in terms of “link between” and “causation.”
Every year, 1.2M abortions are performed. Every year, around 40,000 women die of breast cancer.
Now, if abortion caused breast cancer, there would be closer to a million deaths from breast cancer per year. 40,000 is less than 4% of 1.2M. Make sense?
Since Roe, there have been approximately 50,000,000 abortions performed. If we assume 40,000 breast cancer deaths per year since Roe, that’s 1,560,000. That is, again, less than 4%.
If 4% of 100 people who once participated in a hula hoop contest eventually die at some point, can we say that hula hoop contests cause death?
Move on, people. You’d think you’d be HAPPY about the news that a particular medical procedure is safe for women.
BTW I forgot to add that connecting abortion and breast cancer would be patently impossible due to privacy laws in medical records (so you cannot know whether a woman who has breast cancer has also had an abortion or abortions, and errors in self-reporting make questionnaire studies relatively unreliable).
If you add together all cases of breast cancer, not just deaths, there still isn’t a numerical similarity at all, it’s still less than 20%.
Really? I have never read a study?? I am shocked! Can you please relay that information to my medical professors because obviously there are a few papers I have written that must mean they are plagiarized… Since I have never read a study. And that math of yours? Still faulty. I’ll still take the 53 studies over the 13.
You are not looking at the causes. Maybe the number of abortions outweigh the number of breast cancer victims. That’s not what we are looking at. We are looking at the number of those withbreast cancer and analyzing the cause, not comparing the number of abortions to breast cancer. You know, the difference between a union and an intersection. I would draw you a venn diagram, but I probably couldnt post it.
Your hula hoop scenerio doesnt work because, unless those are super humans, all of them die, not just 4%
… You DO realize there ARE such things as consent form… Actually, have youever done a medical research? I’m not claiming I have, but youseem really off on the procedures and such. Wow.
@stan they also are sueing org.s who use the color pink! and the ribbon!
Mira – apparently not. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17111259
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1733063/
“You are not looking at the causes.”
Here’s a comprehensive smack-down of the ABC “controversy” (LOL) and a breakdown of the risk factors of breast cancer. Note that doctors do not say “cancer causes” because cancer doesn’t have a definitive cause.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/abortion-and-breast-cancer-the-manufactroversy-that-wont-die/
Abortion cannot be a CAUSE of breast cancer if the vast majority of women who have had abortions do not come up with breast cancer. MEN can get breast cancer and cannot have abortions at all. It’s a huge bucket of DUH and yet you silly twits can’t even see it.
As for consent forms, oncologists treating women already have access to the medical records of women they treat, and could ask as a matter of course, yet the the only people trumpeting the “abortion breast cancer link” are largely not tied in any way whatsoever to the medical community.
http://open.salon.com/blog/amytuteurmd/2010/01/29/memo_to_teens_get_pregnant_prevent_breast_cancer
Doctors do not encourage teens to have babies early to combat cancer risks, they do not tout having unwanted children just to combat cancer risks, and they do not discourage patients from having medical procedures that the patients want to decrease cancer risks. Only ideologues do that. So far doctors discourage smoking, encourage eating healthy, and engaging in exercise. It’s almost like pro-life people have never been to the doctor.
As for being “off on procedures” I find that an ironic twist considering you are someone who wants to mischaracterize medical procedures for political points.
So pro-choicers are bullying? When is the last time that a pro-choice advocate shot and killed a anti-choice advocate? Don’t ever recall reading about that – but how many anti-choice advocate have killed pro-choice advocates? That, to me, is the ultimate in bullying. As is the heckling and harassing of women who are trying to get in to see their doctors at clinics, as the anti-choice folks are so fond of doing. Go ahead and support SGK, all you wealthy white women. Believe me, Planned Parenthood will never die!
“So pro-choicers are bullying? When is the last time that a pro-choice advocate shot and killed a anti-choice advocate?”
OH, SNAP!
Debbie, abortion doctors are pro-choice, and they’ve killed far more women than the handful of pro-choicers who have been killed in the history of the anti-choice movement. In fact, more people probably died at Occupy Wall Street campsites over the past few weeks.
Apostate–you never got back to me yesterday about how many kids you’ve had and raised.
And Debbie–more nasty abortion doctors have killed more women in their clinics with their dirty, unsafe practices than abortion doctors have been killed by protesters. Plus, y’all are so busy advocating for the murder of innocent babies, you can’t seem to face the truth that your houuse of cards is FALLING DOWN.
Snap this.
Question: Why do you hate women and want them to die?
Now, before you immediately start jumping around and trying to point out that you don’t in fact hate women and want them to die, please consider that by defunding Planned Parenthood, you are GUARANTEEING that women will die. Period. There is no argument here.
How you people can justify defunding an organization merely because you disagree with 3% of what it does is beyond me. You should be ashamed of yourselves and sorry to the depths of your souls, if you had any.
David, by leaving comments like that you are GUARANTEEING that women will laugh.
At you.
Now David, let’s just think this through. How, exactly (and I mean it) are women guaranteed to die if PP gets defunded?
Henrietta, I am laughing. At David.
“you never got back to me yesterday about how many kids you’ve had and raised.”
That’s because I don’t feel obligated to talk about my personal life with someone as contemptible as you (as evidenced by your rationalization of the murder of healthcare providers in their own churches – pro life, I don’t think so). You shouldn’t even feel the need to ask.
Courtnay,
“How, exactly (and I mean it) are women guaranteed to die if PP gets defunded?”
They die laughing.
Sweetie, you just don’t get it. That’s okay, let me explain.
By defunding Planned Parenthood in its most vulnerable markets, you are assuring that those who most need care will have reduced access to it. Simple mathematics. Reduced access means less care, which means more people who otherwise could have had their disease caught early will instead have to suffer through late-stage cancer. And, surprise surprise, people with late-stage cancer often (wait for it) die.
So I ask again, why do you hate women and want them to die?
But hey, I don’t expect you to agree with me, or even respect what I say. The Forced Birth movement is very good at creating an internal logic which confirms their warped worldview. I don’t think you’ll be any different. Best of luck to you, the least Christian people I’ve ever had the displeasure to encounter. You’ll need it.
David, we’re not your sweeties. And you call us women-haters.
Planned Parenthood kills babies. Half of those babies are girls, and all of them want to live. And you call me least Christian? Explain to me why your whacked internal logic has driven you to support an organization that kills all day, every day.
That’s like me saying, Well I know that slavery really hurts people, but at least they feed those poor slaves, and if they didn’t, they’d die!!! So slavery is awesome!!!
You look into your heart of hearts and figure out why women’s right to kill your child is so precious to you.
The fact that this article is on an anti-abortion blog takes away any credibility it could have as having the “inside story”. The Komen Foundation has become one of those bloated charities. One thing I never liked about them is that they overshadowed many other female cancers that need attention also. I am not pro-abortion, but I do think people that call themselves pro-lifers have nerve to use that phrase with all the violence and killing that many have advocated over the years.
Perhaps the Komen foundation break from Planned Parenthood is good. I am seeing some people here advocating that young women (teens?) should go get pregnant so they can avoid getting breast cancer. What kind of idiocy is that?
There just seems to be an extreme amount of lunacy about this association of the Komen foundation with anyone. Their only agenda should be with anyone else trying to work on preventing and treating breast cancer. For the bit of support that I did give them, they will not get anymore from me. I wonder what Susan Komen herself would think of this!?
Defunding Planned Parenthood (of the $600,000 pittance of its $1 billion revenue) doesn’t mean the exams don’t get done. It means that they get done by someone other than PP. And PP just refers them out anyway, so the defunding is completely meaningless.
“Sweetie”? David, are you an Eliot Spitzer or John Edwards-style misogynist? In other words, do you pay to enact violent rape fantasies on vulnerable young women, or slap around your cancer-ridden wife while cheating on her?
Jill, how would your “source” (Handel?) at SGK know the reasons PP “broke the story”? Is your source also on the PP board? And you also said, “SGK did not want to make a big splash about it.” Well, duhhhh. SGK knew a firestorm of disapproval would be unleashed by the decision and desperately hoped it would get as little attention as possible.
By the way, any member of Congress can announce an “investigation” into an organization or coportation, for any reason, at any time. Bank of America and Penn State University are also currently under investigation by the federal government. I guess we should assume SGK will cut any ties with those organizations until those investigations conclude, right? No, of course not. The new SGK “strategy shift” was clearly aimed only at PP and has failed GA gubernatorial candidate Karen Handel’s fingerprints all over it.
Finally, I wouldn’t start crowing too much about this being a body blow to PP. SGK allocated approximately $680,000 for PP for this year yet the SGK decision as just announced has seen donations to PP of over $400,000 in the past TWO DAYS from concerned Americans all over the country. It’s too bad it doesn’t seem possible for more of us to come together to try and reduce instances of breast cancer AND abortion. Unfortunately, when you’re driven by an extreme ideology (on either side), you tend to have tunnel vision – and a cold heart.
So Maria, if we take your argument to the extreme, PP will receive enough donations in the next month to totally be able to self-support, right?
And if this wasn’t such a big deal, why is PP MAKING it a big deal. The emperor has no clothes, and SGK just noticed. Planned Parenthood is where babies get slaughtered. It doesn’t matter what else they’re doing. They could be curing malaria and finding a way to make my husband look like Zac Efron but it would NEVER BE ENOUGH. Because they slaughter babies.
You wanna talk about cold hearts?? Why the heck doesn’t that turn your stomach?
Debbie says: “When is the last time that a pro-choice advocate shot and killed a anti-choice advocate? Don’t ever recall reading about that”
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-11/justice/michigan.shooting_1_anti-abortion-harlan-james-drake-shooting-deaths?_s=PM:CRIME
“I am relieved that SGK is dissociating themselves from PP. MY MOTHER DIED FROM BREAST CANCER AND MY SISTER IS A SURVIVOR. I would like to be able to support them.”
Then send monetary support to an organization who funds research. I think at this point we are all “aware”–and thats most of what SGK does. The other orgs may not be as widespread as to have pink splattered all over the place but they do better work on behalf of survivors, patients, and the general population as a whole.
Ah how refreshing. Someone that actually has guts. What a concept.
No, I’m a feminist. Sorry to use a swear word in your delicate presence.
I was just trying to wind you up, and hey, it worked! I have only the utmost respect for women, which is why I want them properly screened and treated for breast cancer. A concept, I might add, which SGK does not fundamentally understand.
Look, SGK has been hijacked by a cabal of vile, right-wing anti-choice zealots, and people are finally waking up to that fact after they made the cowardly decision to defund Planned Parenthood.
What IS important to me, Courtnay, is letting every women make her own decision. I know this may be a foreign concept to those of you who “submit” to your husbands, but women should have the ability to make their own choices for their own bodies and lives. Can you get that through your head?
Wow, I really want an ideologue who feels contempt for any choice I make other than hers touching my body. You do? Hmmm….I sure wouldn’t. Hope I never run into one of those ;) If you were trying to make an argument for women NOT taking advantage of government-run healthcare, you did awesome. If you were trying to demonstrate a lack of reading comprehension skills, you have succeeded spectacularly. BTW what ever happened to smaller government? Do you really think that women benefit from healthcare brought to them by the same people who brought you the Department of Motor Vehicles? Do you really think that women benefit from healthcare brought to them by the same people who are willing to cover up statutory rape and sex trafficking?
David, Sweetie, you just don’t get it. That’s okay, let me explain. Get what? The fact that you don’t have any support for your position? (Sorry, but lies and misrepresentations don’t count). I think she caught on to that pretty quickly. So I ask again, why do you hate women and want them to die?
Why do you ask us questions based on idiotic, incorrect assumptions and outright lies? But hey, I don’t expect you to agree with me, or even respect what I say. Good. Because, I have yet to see you post any statement worthy of respect. The Forced Birth movement is very good at creating an internal logic which confirms their warped worldview. Aww, he’s even making up an imaginary movement now.
Best of luck to you, the least Christian people I’ve ever had the displeasure to encounter.
As an agnostic, I find that comment so very distressing ;) Henrietta, David, by leaving comments like that you are GUARANTEEING that women will laugh. At you. Brilliant response.
David – they will never get it through their heads because they feel the same way about fetuses as hoarders do about empty pizza boxes.
That said, “”At the time of his arrest, the suspect made statements that he was involved in another homicide in Shiawassee County the same day,” he said.
Sheriff George Braidwood said a call had come to a 911 dispatch center about 8:17 a.m. saying that an employee at Fuoss Gravel, outside Owosso, had discovered the owner, Michael Fuoss, dead. He had been shot several times, Braidwood said.
Authorities believe that Fuoss and the suspect knew each other, Braidwood said”
Hm, a homidical maniac goes on a shooting spree, happens to hit a pro life kook brandishing signs, and now prolifers are all hiding in their houses with blacked out windows because their addresses have been listed on pro-choice websites and their photos added to a collection of “Wanted” posters…oh wait…
If SGK hates women or whatever because they’re no longer funding the “largest single provider of low-cost health care in the U.S.” (or however that line goes), then do the people who are now saying they refuse to donate to SGK mean they also hate women since SGK is the largest breast-cancer charity out there?
Comparing the dead unborn to empty pizza boxes? Please, keep talking. PLEASE. I don’t have to make any more points. You are making them all for me.
Oh, and David? I LOVE decisions. I LOVE choices. As does my husband. But we don’t have the choice to end the life of any of our children (born) today, and we didn’t have the choice when they were unborn.
You aren’t a feminist (as evidenced by your name calling); you’re a wuss.
David said “but women should have the ability to make their own choices for their own bodies and lives.”
Do you agree that a woman should have the choice to drive a car as fast and reckless as they can? Shouldn’t she be allowed to drive drunk? Shouldn’t those who oppose drunk driving be consider “anti-choice”?
A good civilization puts limits on behavior especially when certain behaviors endangers innocent life. Otherwise we won’t have a society that’s civilized. Abortion may be legal but it is not moral. It is a choice, but a bad one. It is a right and duty of our society to protect the innocent and to assist women with their pregnancy. No other love can be greater.
Indeed. Hoarders collect items regardless of worth because it is their way of having power over something. It’s a mental illness. The statement in no way compares fetuses to pizza boxes, it’s a statement about prolife attitudes about fetuses. A fetus is a political football for someone whose life lacks personal power. (Lots of hoarders collect things of value like dolls, books, cans, tools, cars, etc – no reason not to add babies to the list). This is why the prolife movement is utterly devoid of statements about the abuse and murder of children who are already here, utterly devoid of encouragement for its members to adopt homeless starving children from Congo, or to donate money to orphanages. Baby drunk people who collect other human beings and fill their house with them, like the Duggars for example, are amongst those who disrespect human life the most. By capriciously creating other people with whom they have no real relationship and whose names they can barely remember, they demonstrate that they truly see kids as – objects to acheive an objective.
Still waiting for you to show me the pictures, so we can see just how blob like these clumps of incinerator-worthy cells are!
Social justice begins in the womb. And the more you babble on, a, the more you reveal yourself, even though you are trying so hard not to.
The pictures, please.
This whole thing made no sense from the jump – What in hell was the logic behind a cancer awareness/prevention organization providing funding for abortion clinics in the first place? Kudos to SGK for correcting the situation, but they should have never been IN the situation to begin with.
Jill wrote above: “See what will happen to you if you dare, is Planned Parenthood’s underlying warning.”
As it happens, this is exactly the kind of approach that God takes in that favorite of pro-life verses, Deuteronomy 30:19: see what will happen to you if you dare disobey. (The details of the see-what-will-happen are in chapter 28 of Deuteronomy.)
While this is absolutely a step in the right direction, I won’t donate to SGK or buy pink products until they’re honest about the link between abortion and breast cancer. Until they are, they’re showing that they do not truly care about women.
The geniuses at SGK have compounded their foolishness by have shown themselves publicly to be liars. Don’t lie for them.
The geniuses at SGK have compounded their foolishness by having shown themselves publicly to be liars. Don’t lie for them. They don’t care a fig about women’s health; that fig leaf has dropped to the ground. LOL.
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“You’re wrong Reality…. there is plenty of scientic proof that Abortion/Birth Control and Breast Cancer are linked! If you want to fall for PP’s BS and not go find out the facts then I guess you’re as ignorant as the statement you made to Carly!” – you appear to have missed previous discussions Margaret.
Studies which contend that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer have been clearly and consistently shown to be outdated and/or biased and/or inaccurate.
Current unbiased studies from various parts of the world show no evidence of a link between abortion and breast cancer.
None of these studies are from PP or any similar organisation. I have found the facts and presented them previously.
That’s quaint Mira, how unsciencey! A statistical analysis of all the studies undertaken over time to decide what the accurate outcome is. You don’t think that the latest, most relevant studies might be more accurate than older ones? No?
Might the same approach to smoking studies over the last 100 years show us that smoking is good for us?
What about studies over the past 500 years on whether the earth is flat? What might that deliver as the definitive result?
Well, if nothing else, David and especially apostate make me miss Reality and joan.
Hey – good timing Reality. It is nice to hear your somewhat reasonable “voice” even if I do disagree.
From cancer.org:
“At this time, the scientific evidence does not support the notion that abortion of any kind raises the risk of breast cancer or any other type of cancer.”
http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/BreastCancer/MoreInformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer
From cancer.org:
“At this time, the scientific evidence does not support the notion that abortion of any kind raises the risk of breast cancer or any other type of cancer.”
http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/BreastCancer/MoreInformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer
My, my, my.
The fangs are bared, the claws are out and the fur is flying. Mwwrrrr!
Some bean counter at SGK did a risk/benefit assessment and concluded giving the heave ho to America’s nastiest hoe would be a net gain.
The bean counter probably did not take into account the decibel level of the resultant wailing and gnashing of teeth from the ‘dead babies r us’ mob.
The hysterical reaction is setting records in the temper tantrum category.
Picture the ‘madam’: hands on hip, tapping foot on ground and giving the ‘look’ that strikes fear into the heart of every hen pecked rooster in the chicken coop.
If momma ain’t happy, aint nobody happy!
“Elijah came near to all the people and said, How long will you halt and limp between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him! But if Baal, then follow him. And the people did not answer him a word.
Let two bulls be given us; let them [prophets of Baal] choose one bull for themselves and cut it in pieces and lay it on the wood but put no fire to it. I will dress the other bull, lay it on the wood, and put no fire to it.
Then you [girly men] call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord; and the One Who answers by fire, let Him be God.”
And all the people answered, “It is well spoken.”
So they took the bull given them, dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning until noon, saying, “O Baal, hear and answer us!”
But there was no voice; no one answered. And they leaped upon or limped about the altar they had made.
[A bunch of lame, limp wristed, emasculetd and effeminized wimps. Picture Harry Reid kow towing to Nancy Pelosi, but she refuses to even acknowledge his simpering presence.]
At noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for she is a god; either she is musing, or she had to go pee, [maybe its her time of the month] or she is on a journey, or perhaps she is asleep and must be awakened.”
And they cried aloud and cut themselves after their custom with knives and lances until the blood gushed out upon them.
Midday passed, and they played the part of prophets until the time for offering the evening sacrifice, but there was no voice, no answer, no one who paid attention.
At the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet came near and said,
“O Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that You are God in Israel and that I am Your servant and that I have done all these things at Your word.
Hear me, O Lord, hear me, that this people may know that You, the Lord, are God, and have turned their hearts back [to You].”
Then the fire of the Lord fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice and the wood and the stones and the dust, and also licked up the water that was in the trench.
When all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and they said, “The Lord, He is God! The Lord, He is God!”
And Elijah said, “Seize the prophets of Baal; let not one escape.”
They seized them, and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew [all 450 of] them there.
Then [missy] Jeze-BEL sent a messenger to Elijah, saying, “So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not your life as the life of one of them by this time tomorrow.”
[Every time I have the misfortune to step in dog dung I am reminded of Jeze-BEL’s oath.]
Then he [Elijah] was afraid and arose and went for his life and came to Beersheba of Judah [over eighty miles, and out of Jezebel’s realm] and left his servant there.
[OK. The question is begged: What changed? The ‘prophet of GOD’ had both witnessed and partcipated in miracles involving both fire and rain. He had single handedly dispatched the so called ‘propehts of Baal’ to their eternal destination. He The people of GOD were on his side.
Elijah gets a text message from a single angry woman and he is terrified and flees 80 miles. What gives?
Hint: The ‘messenger’ that missy Jezebel dispatched to visit Elijah was a ‘terrorrizing spirit of fear’. The same Hebrew word that is translated ‘messenger’ is also translated ‘angel’ in other places. An angel is a ‘spirit’ and not all angels are on GOD’s team. Even the ‘angels’ that are on GOD’s squad are awsome and fearful creatures.
Unless you have ever encountered one of these bad boys it is difficult to understand Elijah’s reaction to Jeze-BELs messenger and message.
There is proably a little ’fear’ roaming the halls at the SGK headquarters right now.
Gorring the golden cow of feminism will not endear you to the high priestesses of Moloch.
It ain’t about the money.
It’s about the naiveté of thinking you can dance with the devil in the morning and not have to pay her piper in the evening.
To quote this article, “The biggest reason SGK stopped funding Planned Parenthood? “Nancy Brinker [SGK chairwoman, pictured right] said she was spending nearly half her time dealing with the Planned Parenthood issue,” said my source. “She decided she just couldn’t do it any longer.””
Neither Nancy Brinker nor her organization have owned up to this, a clear display of cowardice and a lack of integrity. If this was a pro-life decision, why are they hiding from it? One can easily argue, given the timing, targeting, and insider accounts such as this, that Komen For The Cure has cowered and now lied with their press release (weak investigation criteria) and backpeddling (metrics etc. question-avoidance explanations on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell).
Rather than attacking Planned Parenthood, why not take one step back and look at the cowards and liars at Komen For The Cure? Then ask yourselves why their courage and integrity is absent in the face of public opinion.