Planned Parenthood’s graphic photo that got ALL’s exposé yanked from YouTube
WARNING: Post rated R.
I wrote yesterday that YouTube removed American Life League’s video investigative report on Planned Parenthood’s perverted, taxpayer-funded, K-12 “sex education” propaganda after receiving a complaint about a copyrighted photo.
Here’s the backstory on that particular photo, which I’ve posted on page two because it is graphic.
Planned Parenthood has a college campus program called Voices for Choice, aka VOX.
In 2005 the University of Texas’s VOX group hosted a birthday party for Planned Parenthood’s racist, eugenicist founder Margaret Sanger. Photo via jazzyjess at Flickr…
A close-up of that photo shows one of several “free goodies” offered by Planned Parenthood’s VOX was “penis pops”…
Which brings us to the disputed photo by jazzyjess, which has been online seven years now, so apparently jazzyjess, who includes an internship at Planned Parenthood and deathscorting on her resume, is not embarrassed by it in the least.
About its VOX program, Planned Parenthood writes:
Through Vox, college students across the country organize events on campus to raise public awareness about reproductive health and rights, educate young people at concerts about sexual health, work with and support their local Planned Parenthood health centers, and mobilize advocates of reproductive rights.
I’m not sure where penis pops fit into “rais[ing] public awareness about reproductive health and rights.” Perhaps Planned Parenthood can explain. Although it obviously would rather not; hence, complaints about the photo. What message can PP be wanting young women to send via “penis pops” other than, “I’m easy”?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I’ve had the unfortunate displeasure of being forced to work with “VOX” through my job as an RA in college.
I didn’t know much about the pro-life movement at the time…but I knew I didn’t like them!
My senior year (last year haha) when another group wanted to do a program about safe sex – which I was fine with, although I would prefer people to be abstinent, I’d rather them learn about safe sex then just go around being irresponsible – but they wanted “VOX” to run the program instead of just doing it themselves.
I flat out told the group, which I was on the executive board of, that I would NOT be participating or even helping to plan this event and they would have to do it without me.
They assured me that they wouldn’t let “VOX” talk about abortion because the group was “neutral” on the issue (aka they were all pro-“choice” but knew I’d leave if they ever took a stance on it and they needed me because I did most of the work haha) but I stood firm…I would NOT work with a pro-death group that didn’t want to educate as much as just promote sex and ultimately, abortions.
Yes, they do use “penis pops” and other vulgar candy, they had “sex toy” parties and more right on campus, for “free” (of course, if PP isn’t paying for it out of our tax money, then the school is paying for it out of our tuition!) right in your home (dorm building.)
Gag.
Thank God the group I was working with gave in and decided not to have the program with them.
The photo itself is the subject of the controversy and it’s completely within bounds to use that photo as part of discussion about what the photo depicts, and why in light of the larger discussion.
Claiming copyright protects you from others showing and discussing the material is non-sensical/groundless.
People have become so fixated on “rights” they completely forget about responsibilities. These two – rights and responsibilities are part of the whole package – you cannot have one without the other.
I saw the video and that wasn’t the worst of it! There were books of naked drawings of men and women having sex and masterbating! I found THAT to be more graphic than this! Certain PP had Youtube pull the plug on it b/c they are being exposed for who they are…a sex addiction nonprofit who profits when kids think SEX is a day in the park and that it is actually SAFE to do. As usual the wolf in sheeps clothing is trying to make sure no one finds out they actually have a costume on! Word is going to get out and ALL will find a way to get the video to the public. I suggest they send it to every principal of every public school in America…it will open administrators eyes and kick PP out the door!
I agree, Lynn!
I had this video posted on my blog as well and was wondering what happened to it, I figured it was some PP shrieking that got it pulled. Why would anything goes sexually PP be even remotely disturbed by this image? Selling sex is their biz. Usually they reserve the heaviest shrieking for graphic abortion images. This is hilarious in its hypocrisy.
Here’s another ultrastupid PP production they’d rather you didn’t see:
http://moronicprochoicequotes.blogspot.com/2012/02/superhero-for-choice-creepy-planned.html
Stay classy, PP.
Imagine hiring Jazzy as a nannie. That was on her resume!
Be proabortion and proud of it, PP ladies!!
If anything goes then why hide your love of anything goes???
Classy is right, Courtnay! :)
Attempting to attract people to a serious political cause with blatant “sex sells” marketing like this… just strikes me as immature and sad.
Um yeah I would most definitely hire a girl who’s online profile featured a picture of her eating a penis pop. Yep, so classy and professional. (sarcasm)
We live in a world with no class anymore.
eh ive seen the penis pops in Ambiance…a sexy clothing store but really did this girl really have to make herself look like the ultimate PP skank by posing like that? did anyone actually tell her that was cute or sexy? vulger honey VULGERI
Cecile and Co. must be soooo proud. Ugh.
~Janet
She couldn’t even be bothered to wash her greasy hair before posing. Yep, she’s a feminist alright ;)
lol mpq i couldnt put my finge on it but it is the hair and very unflattering make up. if she was going for sexy it didnt quite work out for her. on the other hand id find it equally awful if it were cindy crawford pictured….yak!
thats their problem…they cant stop thinking about sex. they eat drink breathe pee and dream about sex. they are sexual perverts. it aint just men anymore. a few women have chanted ” men are pigs.” and im quick to let em know ” and so are women.”
heather it’s so true! Women these days (especially PP crowd) tend to be, if possible, more sexually aggressive and vulgar than many men I know! And of course, they’ll be the first to yell that men are pigs.
As a retired shool and small college nurse I had the great pleasure of NOT allowing Planned Parenthood in the door at either school. Planned Parenthood without a doubt one the worst things that has ever happened in America. They absolutely need to be defunded and put out of k-12-college education systems. It is a national disgrace that the promoters of this were ever allowed into the health and education systems. Very few were able to forcast the ripple effect. Thank God for someone like Jill Stanek who has bravely worked for so many years to expose this atrocity. It is an eyeopener to realize how evil can sneak its way into the fabric of society and how many people are sucked into a lifestyle that their parents would never have believed. It makes me better understand how the hollocaust happened. A secular world devoid of moral principals is doomed.
Heather,
LOL! And then they whine ‘slutshaming’. Uh, duh? Ya THINK? If that’s the best they can aspire to, I pity them.
Amen, Janet. I give them 24 hours after the rapture and they’ll be fervently wishing they’d listened, and that we were still here. One of the titles of the Holy Spirit is the Restrainer, the only force keeping back the tide of anarchy and evil they seem so bent on pursuing. Once the Restrainer has been taken away and there’s blood running in the storm drains, they’ll be singing a different tune. Let them scoff now, it’s all just whistling in the dark.
That sure is a small pop. Talk about lowering expectations for women. But then, thats what Planned barrenhood is all about.
oh and the gates off hell await. all the orgasms in the world aint worth your soul. REPENT!
Carla says:
February 29, 2012 at 11:06 am
“Be proabortion and proud of it, PP ladies!!
If anything goes then why hide your love of anything goes???
Classy is right, Courtnay! ”
Yep, classy indeed. Couldn’t the penis pops be used as a teaching tool? Anything goes, right? (Sarcastic)
Moronic Pro-Choice Quotes,
Exactly! Any criticism whatsoever is “slut-shaming.” Never mind that if a man was out in public with a graphic vagina lollipop, he’d probably be arrested.
Years ago when I could be very rude and crude, I was in the play Caberet. It was a cast members birthday and I decided to make a penis cake for the person. I honestly can’t remember if it was a man or woman now. At the time I thought I was clever and very funny. Today as a 54 year old women, I think back with embarassement and think, “What the heck was I thinking”…then I realise I wasn’t.
Someday as a grandmother, if this young woman is so blessed to be one, she may come to a different understanding of what she is supporting and then her grandkids can see her in her full youthful glory.
right adir…or if you had a breast pop the swat team might hone in on you. heres the deal. ive heard a lot of women whine ” why cant i ever find a good man”? ” why wont a guy marry me”? well if youre putting out after a few beers then you will find a USER! some of these girls are aggressive and a few of my male friends have told me about women trying to put the make on them at work! theyve told me horror stories of women unbuttoning their blouses or trying to plant a hot kiss on them on the job! yeah like a guy could really file sexual harassment. if a woman is willing to act like a slu* then we cant defend you when a man calls you a slu*! stop being easy or you will never find a good man or a husband. most men dont marry that type. and slut shaming? lol thats a joke! stop acting like one!
I just look at that girl and cringe. Her poor mother.
and ann marie youre right. why the first time i saw the chocolate penis candy im guilty of a laugh. but posing for this pic? im sure shes amused and PP probably egged it on. i can only hope that she changes with age.
funny. you can already tell if something are coming from liberal extremist,Godless,modernist Planned parenthood. To those who reject God;
“common sense” is usually the first thing to go.
I also see from Jill’s highlighted poster that “vagi pops” are included. And pro-aborts say pro-lifers are obsessed with sex?
The photo seems to say: “Hi guys! I’m just like one of you! I can tell dirty jokes, and drink you under the table. I’m super easy.. but naturally after we have relations I’ll be telling my friends what a big jerk you are…” LOL!! I say that as a formerly ‘free spirited’ college student myself. I tried to be so ‘modern’ and ‘cool’ and I just couldn’t figure out why the guys I dated were such cads. It couldn’t have been me and my shallow values, nah.
Hopefully this gal will mature, too, but lucky for me there were no digital cameras or interwebs to capture my less than stellar moments. ;>)
Is there any way we can attack the message without calling people skanks and sluts and such? Possibly?
LOL, Adair. So much for ‘equality’. Imaging the different reactions to a man holding a ‘penis pop’ compared to a woman. Then again, penis pops and clumps of cells junk science are about all the science PP and proaborts can handle before their little brains explode. Makes all their whining about objectification extra hypocritical. Next up-fetus girl scout cookies and free Ceclie Richards superhero comics with every visit.
umm….
Trying to make a point that these guys are obsessed with the promotion of sex doesn’t work when we have comment after comment here seemingly obsessed with sex but in the opposite direction.
Just sayin’.
Is there any way we can attack the message without calling people skanks and sluts and such? Possibly?
Ah your right, Jack. After all, girls will be girls.
LOL. Yeah, Jack, stop your prudeshaming.
Alrighty then. Have fun with the moral high ground, then. :)
The party claiming copyright infringement is one Jessica Faerman aka jazzyjess may not want her mother and father to see the photo, as she is still registered as living at home. She may have wanted to think about that prior to posing and putting the photo out into the public domain. Of course, being born on April Fool’s Day may preclude forethought.
Still living at home-why am I not surprised? Another ‘independent’ feminist whining about what parasites unborn babies are. Grrl power! Rawwwr! I think she deserves special mention on my blog.
Katie,
I have a niece born on April 1st. I fail to see how that is relevant. As I also do this girl’s looks or any other petty superficial thing that has been mentioned.
You guys realize that the progress of civilization will not stop because of your bronze age beliefs, right?
So apparently now licking penis pops for the camera and showing kids soft porn in school is “the progress of civilization.”
LOL I’d rather stay out of civilization, then.
You guys realize that the progress of civilization will not stop because of your bronze age beliefs, right?
Progress is non-existent when you lack civilization in the first place, which does any society which would fail to protect its most young and vulnerable members.
Also, you mention “bronze age”, but the concept of protecting the lives of very young children is actually a relatively new one, as practices like infanticide were widely practiced in ancient societies, much like abortion is today.
I believe it is being used as political speech. So yes, The fact that she is allowed to make this statement is definitely progress. If we lived in a theocracy, this would be banned.
Bronze Age – when humans practiced polygamy, copulated like animals, and killed the weak members of society… sums up PP’s beliefs pretty well.
@xalisae
The survival and evolution of a species is dependent on the survival of the young. So how this is a new concept when caring for the young is practiced by most, if not all, mammals. Practices such as infanticide are still around, they are however uncommon in industrialized countries with modern medicine.
@Eric,
Is your world so small that you don’t realize polygamy is still practiced in some regions of the world? Most animals do not have sex for pleasure, as a matter of fact, they only have sex for precreation, so animals are generally more prudish than us, exclusions tend to be primates and dolphins. Most animal species kill, or allow to die members that are born with defects. Humans are the only species i know of that protect those members, as well as trying to minimize the ability for the these defects to happen in the first place non-naturally.
yeah i probably could have used better language but ive heard so much worse i actually thought i had cleaned it up:/
Is your world so small that you don’t realize polygamy is still practiced in some regions of the world?
Duh. Polygamy (the habit or system of mating with more than one individual, either simultaneously or successively) is practiced on practically every college campus, especially those with a VOX presence.
The survival and evolution of a species is dependent on the survival of the young. So how this is a new concept when caring for the young is practiced by most, if not all, mammals.
Except when they are male lion cubs being eaten by their sire. Or maternal savaging in many species, where the mother kills and eats the newborn. This is a behavior prominently exhibited in pigs. So, yeah. The platform urging protection of offspring at every age and stage of life that we Pro-Lifers espouse IS rather novel and in no way currently uniformly in existence among mammals.
Practices such as infanticide are still around, they are however uncommon in industrialized countries with modern medicine.
Yeah. Infanticide has just been replaced by modern medicine, in a practice they call abortion.
@eric
Yes, you’re right, and by just about every human. I don’t know a single person who has had only one sex partner their entire life. Most people have multiple. Although, I was not using the technical sense of the word, I was using polygamy as in have more than one spouse.
‘Al”
You can thank the early Church for much of modern medicine, literature and social programs. You’re welcome. Go read a history book.
If not being led through life by my libido is considered not progress then I’m glad I’ve made no progress. I see little difference between the iron maiden and being dismembered by a curette and vacuum tube for the crime of being unwanted. If culling the herd is your idea of civilized, you might be a Nazi. I’ve seen gators with more maternal instinct than proabort feminists. Not difficult to see who the more enlightened species is. We should all be highly alarmed when we hear the ‘defective’ and ‘useless eater’ type rhetoric come into play-they’re only a step away from brown shirts and jackboots then. Abortion is as much ‘modern medicine’ as the electric chair.
@xalisae
Yes, see that word except? That means you’re referring to exceptions, in this case, to a general rule. Pointing out examples doesn’t change indisputable fact. Modern medicine gives us many ways to not have children, you know, fertility tests, sterilization, and the most common one….contraception. Abortion however was not invented by modern medicine, merely refined.
@Moronicprochoicequotes,
I cannot, the early church was considered a cult and banned throughout the empire. Nero and Caligula enjoyed feeding christian’s to the lions. Constantine changed the state religion to Christianity, thereby creating a more organized church. The Roman Empire’s technology and wisdom were inherited by the middle east, as Europe was in the dark ages. The churches grasp and influence over early europe kept knowledge out of the hands of the common man. Most literates were therefore part of the clergy. The medicine that most of them believed, far from being roman, was influenced be greek medical philosophy, with their 4 humours idea. i will agree that religion is responsible for a lot of social programs. Not specifically the Christian church however, we only view it that way because we are in a society that has been dominated by christianity for over a thousand years.
The church is however responsible for trying to hold back observable facts as being the basis for our view of reality.
I would say that anyone who allows their libido to direct their life has a problem. I think it is even referred to as sex addiction, nymphomania in women and satyriasis in men. I believe the condition exists at the far end of a bell curve, meaning it is not very common.
Also, not all abortions are performed because a child is unwanted. There are many reasons a woman might want/need an abortion, and none of them are your business.
When human beings are killed, it’s everyone business. Whose business was it when the Nazis were shoveling the Jews into ovens? If you think devising better and more efficient ways to kill equals progress, I pity you. If that’s the kind of anarchy you want to live in, you know where the door is.
“I don’t know a single person who has had only one sex partner their entire life.”
And you ask me if my world is small? You crack me up.
pointing out exceptions illustrates your faulty generalization which rings hollow, especially here on a pro-life website. Modern medicine does give us many ways not to have children. Abortion is not one of those, since the elective abortion procedure as it is today is incapable of erasing a child who has already been in existence for some time. Abortion merely kills a child already in the world due to his/her parents.
@moronicprochoicequotes,
You have a belief, you don’t have a fact. You see it as living, others don’t. Human history is literred with examples of bringing death by advancing technology. Most advances are brought about by military need. We are genetically programmed killing machines, we have survived millions of years surrounded be predators that are bigger, faster, and stronger. We created weapons and tactics to kill these animals and protect ourself. So now that I’ve proved that we are advanced by murder, would you like to try a different argument? Also, I would like to see how you equate abortion to the systematic killing of the jews? I would like to see how you’re getting there because I can’t seem to logically connect them.
You’re kidding, right? The Nazis stripped the Jews of their humanity and declared them less than others in order to murder them-prochoice strips unborn humans of their humanity in order to murder them Same ideology, same results. No progress. Google moral agency and educate yourself on how we are different from animals and predators. Most advances are not brought by military need, but by the hard work of those who refuse to give up on humanity. Again, read history. Of this planet, not yours. Seriously, my stomach hurts from laughing at the ‘not alive’ bit-you must be new around here.
As to ‘you have a belief’ – I presume you believe humanity crawled up out of the swamps? Prove. It. It’s oh so hard to believe in a creator, but easy to believe nothing crashed into nothing and made everything? Yeah, that clears it all up. LMAO. Evolution has huge gaps for a reason.
@xalisae,
i used a qualifier in my generalization, which states it’s not alway true. ”caring for the young is practiced by most, if not all, mammals. “ So I didn’t need it pointed out that some animals kill their young, or they kill the young of their species who have different parents. I know these exceptions exist, and I did allow for them. You are arguing though that mammals don’t take care of their young in general, and I am telling you there is no argument. I am also conceding specific instances, but my generalization is not false, it is not a mathematical theory, one counterpoint doesn’t disprove the theory. But you’re argument goes something like this:
Lions are mammals
Lions sometimes eat their cubs
Lions therefore don’t care for their young
therefore mammals don’t care for their young
It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
Here is what my argument is:
In order for a species to survive it must procreate
Mammal offspring are not born sexually and physically immature
Mammals need care before they are physically and sexually mature
Therefore mammals need care to survive and procreate.
ok. Now, tell me how exactly abortion is caring for offspring? Because that’s a relatively common example of mammals (in this case humans) killing off or having their offspring killed off. Add to this that it is currently legal and even financed by government entities in many places, and you have the situation to which you were previously referring in which a collection of mammals does not care for their young to the extent they go out of their way to kill them.
The koolaid is strong with this one. I’m off for the night. Hate to miss the ensuing hilarity as I was screencapping it.
@eric,
I am not saying they don’t exist, I am saying I personally don’t check on how many sex partners my friends have had. As a species we don’t exhibit any of the qualities of a monogamous animal. The vast majority of humanity has more than one sex partner throughout their lives. Most cases where a person has only one sexual partner has nothing to do with what that person would choose to do sexually, and is more likely the product of an early death. Again, I am not saying this does not happen, but it much less common than people having had multiple sexual partners. We can argue about what the preferred morality is, we can not, however, argue with how humanity observably acts.
@Moronicprochoicequotes,
I don’t know what said swamp is, and I don’t pretend to know. Abiogenesis only has very flawed non-repeatable evidence to support its many hypotheses. As to evolution, I would love to see these gaps, but as my betters in this area enjoy to point out, there is no real doubt behind evolution, it is a theory in the same way that gravity is a theory. Even the catholic church advocates evolution as indisputable scientific fact. If you would like this explained better, might I suggest a museum? Preferably of the Natural History type. Ask them, they will be happy to show you the “gaps” in evolution. As to your understanding of the beginning of the universe, I would have to note that it’s not a theory, it’s an hypotheses this “nothing crashed into nothing” as you call it. Again, I do not know, and do not pretend to know. As to the nazi thing, I was honestly curious what logic you were using, it was not rhetorical, or meant to be insulting. But now that I do know your argument, i would disagree. I think the exact nature of this debate is where is the point that an embryo becomes humans. Is it all the way when it’s a zygote? Maybe a bit later when it’s an embryo. This is where the real argument lies. So it’s not that we’re stripping them of humanity, we can’t agree on what constitutes humanity. I did mispeak when I said not-alive. That does not convey my intentions. Please also show me how most technological advancement is “by the hard work of those who refuse to give up on humanity.” Where is your argument, you are just stating something. You are not giving an example. You are not showing how this follows. This begging to be explained.
oh, well, that’s an easy one.
They’re human beings as soon as they are a living human organism of our species, so that would be shortly after a sperm fertilizes an ova to create a blastocyst.
“I presume you believe humanity crawled up out of the swamps? Prove. It. It’s oh so hard to believe in a creator, but easy to believe nothing crashed into nothing and made everything? Yeah, that clears it all up. LMAO. Evolution has huge gaps for a reason.” – you’d rather believe one book with many authors, most of whom weren’t present for the events they speak of, whose ‘god of the gaps’ gets squeezed into a tighter corner every day as science opens up more of the universe - there’s the hilarity. Evolution doesn’t have huge gaps, rather it would appear that your knowledge of it does.
I love how our new troll seems to think infanticide is somehow not being put forward by the abortion apologists in “developed” countries only a week after a couple dudes in Australia advocating “after-birth abortions” got published in a legitimate medical ethics journal. I am honestly just…this is actually happening, folks. It is occurring and we get to watch it. Poe’s Law, Poe’s Law, Poe’s Law.
Seriously, I can’t even be bothered to construct a serious response to this kid. The timing is just so utterly tone-deaf and ridiculous.
@xalisae,
You are still arguing that animals don’t care for their young. How is this an argument? Yes as specific individuals in a species, some animals kill their young. If these were that detrimental to a species, it would soon not be a species, it would be extinct. So if we have an animal that is helpless or needs care for any period of time in it’s life, to ensure that it reaches sexual maturity to reproduce, it has to be cared for. It’s not arguable, it is the state of the world. Most animals, and definitely most humans, strive to keep their young alive.
@moronicprochoicequotes
Saying I drink the kook-aid, when I haven’t even stated my position, or implied it, on abortion is a little much. I have made value judgments about the picture, and the picture alone. Well and Eric’s small world, which was inappropriate on my part.
I am not attacking your position guys, I am attacking your arguments, you can take that however you like, but that’s all I am trying to do. It’s also not a refutation of my arguments when you say that, it’s merely an ad-hominem attack.
Isn’t it cute how the next generation of children always seems to think that they invented sex for pleasure, or that before them and their courage, nobody ever boldly and publicly claimed to be a total pervert? Christendom has always sought to rise humanity further above the primordial ooze. These children, on the other hand, wallow in it.
@Alice,
I was appalled by that paper, and I am pro-choice. Please show how I am trying to justify that? I will also spell it out on how I feel about abortion. I believe a human life is created at conception. I just don’t put any sanctity on individual human life. I am not saying I don’t value it, but I value the whole of the species more. I would urge you guys to think about the survival of the species more than the individual as well, but you are welcome to whatever you want to do.
Actually that last one was just classic troll material.
why were you appalled by the paper if you don’t place any sort of value on individual human lives? Survival of the species is more important, right? And, if mommy and daddy feel like leaving junior out in the cold to die because subsequent children they will bear will have access to more and better resources and therefore be more “fit”, then that is what is in the best interest of the species, right?
It’s obvious you haven’t thought this through. Your thoughts are disorganized and contradictory.
@alugwin
“I was appalled by that paper, and I am pro-choice. Please show how I am trying to justify that? I will also spell it out on how I feel about abortion. I believe a human life is created at conception. I just don’t put any sanctity on individual human life. I am not saying I don’t value it, but I value the whole of the species more. I would urge you guys to think about the survival of the species more than the individual as well, but you are welcome to whatever you want to do.”
So how exactly does valuing the whole of the species mean that abortion is ok? How does it mean that infanticide is not? So lets spell this out:
1. You acknowledge that life is created at conception
2. You are appalled by infanticide
3. You are ok with abortion
4. You don’t believe in the sanctity of individual lives
5. You value the whole of humanity more than the individual
How is this a coherent position? What does your value of society vs. the individual have to do with it? How does it apply to abortion, but not infanticide? If you value individuals less that collectives (and that is why abortion is ok, as you seem to apply), how is infanticide wrong but abortion fine (since both newborns and unborns are human lives as you’ve ceded)? Seriously, I do not understand your position at all.
I will forgive the last ones, seeing as you probably didn’t see my following post. But it was fun to see you jump on that one.
I don’t know a single person who has had only one sex partner their entire life.
Newsflash: I know some great human beings who haven’t had any sex partner. And yes, they are over the age of 13. You really should broaden your horizons.
I would urge you guys to think about the survival of the species more than the individual as well.
If you jump in a ten foot hole and have a friend fill it in, there will be more air for the rest of us. (I’m sure the friend who’s had the most sex partners would be willing to take a much-needed standing break and use the shovel).
Sorry, Jack. No moral high ground for me today.
@alugwin
so then …. what, exactly, was your point?
@praxedes,
Asked and answered:
“I am not saying they don’t exist, I am saying I personally don’t check on how many sex partners my friends have had. As a species we don’t exhibit any of the qualities of a monogamous animal. The vast majority of humanity has more than one sex partner throughout their lives. Most cases where a person has only one sexual partner has nothing to do with what that person would choose to do sexually, and is more likely the product of an early death. Again, I am not saying this does not happen, but it’s much less common than people having had multiple sexual partners. We can argue about what the preferred morality is, we can not, however, argue with how humanity observably acts.”
The second quote was already answered as well, but you might not have seen that.. I also never said there was anything wrong with having too many or too few sexual partners. So I don’t know what the relevance of saying you know great human beings who have had no sex partners is. You guys are so ready to attack me, and other than me saying I believe in evolution, I was just trying to get the argument properly defined, so I’d know what it was you guys actually believe.
“I don’t know a single person who has only had one sexual partner.”
You need to associate with a whole new group of friends. I would assume these are your “friends” since they were willing to share their complete sexual history with you, including how many sexual partner they’ve had. So sad. “Show me your friends and I’ll show you your future”.
@DolceBella2
I was being called a troll, and you guys don’t even know if I’m “pro-choice” or “pro-life”. So I just thought I’d give you a sample of the kinds of things I, as a troll, would say. Maybe I was being slightly inflammatory with my first statement, but it is legitimate, the western world has consistently become more progressive over time, sometimes we go back, but we generally have moved forward. We as western civilization have become more and more liberal, in most aspects, as time has gone by. I was making an observation, based on historical fact. I also should note that I don’t believe in absolutes, so I sometimes don’t qualify something because i assume most people view the world in “shades of gray”.
This is serious business.
@Prolifer L,
I will not answer that one the third time. Also, you are implying that somehow because some of my friends have had sex with more than one person, I have a sad future? Is this an honest statement of value? You’ll have to excuse me, I am just a poor southern boy lost in the heathenness that is NYC.
Yes my friend’s share their sexual lives with me sometimes, but I am not obsessed with it, as it’s only my sex life I need to worry about.
@alugwin
Yes, it is serious business. And yet you refuse to tell us what you truly believe, refuse to define your points, and when people address something that you’ve said you immediately backtrack from what (under the circumstances) seemed to be stated for the purpose of making a point, and instead you claim that there is no point, that you were simply making a statement. You’re being sloppy, purposely inflammatory, and you refuse to engage, claiming it is for the purpose of figuring out what we believe. You could address us honestly, and just ask. But you don’t. So being accused of being a troll is not out of line. Neither should you be surprised when you find that we do not address what you are actually interested in saying, because you simply are not saying it.
I also don’t know why you’re talking about the progress of the western world (really depends on what you think progressive is however!), since we weren’t discussing that at all in our conversation.
@dolcebella2,
Oh, you probably didn’t see my first post, that’s why you don’t know why I was talking about the progression of the western world. The statement about serious business is referring to an internet meme. I initially was just discussing the picture. You know, the fact that the western world has progressed to the point where someone is not stoned to death for eating a penis-pop in public. Whether you agree with it or not, you would undoubtedly, I hope, think it extreme to advocate death for such behavior. In what way did I backtrack? I elaborated, but I did not backtrack, except on the troll post, because as I have pointed out, it was intentionally inflammatory and contradictory. I was using it as a rhetorical device. Also, this is engaging you, I am taking everything you say and forming a rebuttal, elaborating, or clarifying something I had said. I have tried to do this with everything that has come my way. I can see what most of you believe. There are some differences, but mostly I am finding christian’s, maybe not completely fundamental, but most certainly leaning that way. I would guess most of you are white. None of the pro-lifers here seem to believe that there are no exceptions in the case of abortion, it is all murder and it is all evil. I imagine most of you are from a middle class background, although not necessarily in the same class now. My guess would be that you vote almost exclusively republican. You most likely believe that our country is founded on christian doctrine, and believe that your church deserves a bigger role in the government. This is a generalization, and not a complete one. I will admit that this does not hold true for everyone here.
Oh, I forgot to address sloppy. In what way have I been sloppy? I’d like to see an example, because I most certainly don’t enjoy being sloppy. I also forgot to address the fat that I haven’t stated what I believe. No one’s asked, and I don’t see the point when I did address my opinion about the picture. Oh, I also said I believe in evolution.
Eat all the penis pops you want. Engage in all the sex you want. IT is ABSOLUTELY your decision about that.
But when a fetus is created, a new human is here. And if she can’t rely upon her mother to protect her, then we are her voices.
PS–my second child never stopped screaming for 2 years. During some really rough moments in the winter in a 4 room apartment, I am GLAD I didn’t have the option to decide if he was really a person.
Is there any way we can attack the message without calling people skanks and sluts and such? Possibly?
Only if we still get to make fun of the “greasy” hair, Jack! I know that I, personally, have NEVER let my guard down enough to pose for a candid picture my friend snapped, unless I was in full hair and make-up, ready for my close-up. How will girls remember that they are living museum exhibits, put here for everyone else to enjoy looking at, if we don’t make fun of them whenever they look less than their best? Honestly.
I think we can Jack. :)
BUT these girls are brazen, don’t seem to have much self respect and are promoting promiscuity to our young while licking penis pops.
That is the truth.
So, let’s review: ‘al’ comes rollin’ in here, posturing opinions as facts while citing no sources, conveniently skips over/ignores all refutations, and then acts all butthurt that someone actually responded to his baiting. Troll. Shouldn’t you be off with the other lefties celebrating the death of Breitbart? It’s amusing when abortion zealots think they’re gonna be the first ones to introduce the same old tired canards we’ve heard for years. Gotta love that still in college ideologue enthusiasm that doesn’t seem to realize we’ve heard it all before ad nauseum. Whoever is paying your tuition is due a substantial refund.
Jack (and other assorted bleeding hearts) there are women out there who are tired of seeing other women objectifying themselves (see the above penis pop picture) as they play the perpetual victims of the ‘patriarchy’. Some of us are sick enough of it to speak up. Get over it.
Yeah, and ‘reality’ was there when the first humans crawled out of the ooze. LOL.
MPQ:
I didn’t know Mr. Breitbart had died. What a sad day.
al:
Here’s an internet meme for you: Epic Fail Guy. That’s who you remind me of right now.
I’m Latina, from a poor family, not religious, although I do usually vote (R), so I guess you got that one right. I very firmly believe in separation of church and state, going both ways, so you’re wrong about that.
Oh, wait…you put the disclaimer of “not all” in your little prejudiced tirade, so that you could disavow it whenever you needed to do so. Cute.
@moronicprochoicequotes,
I don’t see how I got “butthurt”. I answered what was put forth against my arguments and have not heard rebuttals. I don’t know what I put forward as fact, that isn’t, but if you’d gladly show me, I’d be more than happy to show citations.
Also, I am well out of college. Where I live, being a “leftie” is not a bad thing, so I don’t really find that offensive. I don’t celebrate death, as a matter of fact, I have been trying to figure out when you guys think that human life is formed. Because that is where the argument is.
As to people speaking up about this woman objectifying herself…I believe she is objectifying men. I am sorry she doesn’t act the way you guys find appropriate, and you can whine and complain about it all day, it doesn’t give you the right to take it away. Also, I would think sucking on penis-pop would be a great form of birth control.
@courtnay,
so you’re defining life as a fetus? Tthen we’ve got roughly 11 weeks after fertilization before an embryo is considered a fetus. Does that make abortion ok before it’s a fetus?
@alugwin
I’ll bite, one more time, just to clear up some misconceptions.
“Oh, you probably didn’t see my first post, that’s why you don’t know why I was talking about the progression of the western world. The statement about serious business is referring to an internet meme. I initially was just discussing the picture. You know, the fact that the western world has progressed to the point where someone is not stoned to death for eating a penis-pop in public. Whether you agree with it or not, you would undoubtedly, I hope, think it extreme to advocate death for such behavior.”
Sorry about that, I did not see it. And yes, I agree, its awesome that someone isn’t stoned to death for doing something stupid. I don’t really understand how you could think anyone here would believe otherwise. After all, we’re pro-LIFE … as in, no one should be deliberately killed?
“In what way did I backtrack? I elaborated, but I did not backtrack, except on the troll post, because as I have pointed out, it was intentionally inflammatory and contradictory. I was using it as a rhetorical device.”
A rhetorical device to what end? To prove that you aren’t a troll? How about you just don’t act like one?
The thing that I noticed is your “I don’t know anyone who’s only had only one sexual partner” statement (too lazy to go back and quote it directly). When people challenged your misconceptions about society as a whole, you stopped claiming you had any point to make at all. Why say it then?
”I can see what most of you believe.”
Actually, from your following words I don’t really think you understand what we believe, or why.
“There are some differences, but mostly I am finding christian’s, maybe not completely fundamental, but most certainly leaning that way.”
Oh no, Christians, when a lot of people on this Earth are Christian. Shocking that you would run into some of those, eh? And there are PLENTY of people on this board who are not. Just because you believe that unborn children shouldn’t be killed, doesn’t mean you are. Seriously, can you say stereotyping?
“I would guess most of you are white.”
This is the most racist comment ever. Who the eff cares whether we are white or not? Does the colour of our skin somehow lend more legitimacy to our opinions? Incidentally, I am European but most people mistake me as being from India or Iraq. Does that matter at all in this discussion? Answer: no, it does not. Stop worrying about the colour of our skin.
“None of the pro-lifers here seem to believe that there are no exceptions in the case of abortion, it is all murder and it is all evil.”
At least you got that right. Pick another class of people, and try to rationalize their murder. You won’t be able to (I hope!).
”I imagine most of you are from a middle class background, although not necessarily in the same class now. My guess would be that you vote almost exclusively republican. You most likely believe that our country is founded on christian doctrine, and believe that your church deserves a bigger role in the government.”
Yes. And no. Actually, I’m not interested in politics, though I come from a family of liberals. I’m not from the US and don’t know enough to answer the next statement. And my church doesn’t need any role in the government, period. Individuals do deserve to have a role in politics, however, and if someone is also part of a religion, it does not mean that their opinions get to be shouted down and dismissed just because they are a religious.
“This is a generalization, and not a complete one. I will admit that this does not hold true for everyone here.”
Then why say it? You’re therefore being deliberately insulting. I would be very surprised if your statement holds true for anyone in its entirety.
X, I’m currently RTing some of the left’s classier celebratory tweets about his death-true colors.
@xalisae,
yes, that’s why we put qualifiers in there, I am not backpeddling my argument that is most of the people on here. I also didn’t go on a tirade, I didn’t make a value judgement on any of those things. I didn’t speak badly about them because last time I checked, you are totally allowed to be any of those things, and just as i would defend her right to eat a penis-pop, I would defend you’re right to call her a slut. I don’t think you should call her that, but I am not trying to make laws that say you can’t. You again are arguing against absolutes when none have been said.
By fetus I meant any unborn human. My bad.
If the organism is human, he or she requires protection.
1.) I never called her a slut. I don’t think doing something that makes you look stupid necessarily makes you a slut.
2.) I don’t think anyone here was trying to say it should be illegal for her to do it, just that it reflected poorly upon her (and I disagree with the way it was stated. Being someone with a noticeable birth defect makes me rather raw to comments on personal appearance against anyone).
3.) I didn’t realize it was fine to stereotype a group of people as long as you say, “but doing/being any of those things is like, totally fine and stuff!”, my bad.
@dolcebella,
You’re right, I bet no one fully fits into what I said. I would love to find the hindu on this site, seeing as how there are way more of them in the world than there are christians in the world. I never said your race was important, I just said that i would imagine most of you as white, yes even xalisae who probably is considered a white latino(sorry, we don’t conjugate sex in english).
As to having only one sex partner, I think you should look up pair bonding, and what the natural human state regarding relationships is. Even my father who married my mother a virgin, went to seminrary school, is a devout fundamentalist christian, has had more than 1 sexual partner. I am again not making a value judgement, merely saying that almost every human that has lived has had more than one sexual partner. I was merely pointing out that we’re not monogamous, that we are polygamous animals(in a technical sense). I forget why we got into that subject, but it was not I who brought it up I don’t believe.
I can rationalize murder. Things are not always as black and white as we’d like. I will not go through the arguments as many people have done it before and quite more eloquently than I could ever hope to.
i honestly did come here to see your arguments, not to troll. Seeing those arguments lacking, I decided to show the holes, and I never once had to say abortion was wrong or right. So instead of coming at this ideologically, I was just trying to come at it logically.
Why say generalizations? Because I had said I had come here to learn, I can’t meet each of you i individually, so I have to make generalizations to humanize you. Would you prefer I scream and rant that you’re doctor killers and anti-women?
@cournay,
so a zygote, is a human? I mean by definition it hasn’t even gotten it’s own DNA yet. I just want to make this clear, because if it is that life begins at conception, then a lot women, have aborted a life naturally, and unconsciously. Not all zygotes become blastocysts, and not all blastocysts implant themselves in the uterine wall. We need to be very clear on when a human life starts.
@xalisae,
I am aware that you never called her a slut. That was not the implication I was trying for. As for stereotyping, here is an example:
All my black friends are always late whenever we plan to do something, so all black people must be late all the time.
You see how I included everybody that was black? That’s a stereotype, saying that this is a general outline of some of the traits people have here, is just that, saying that some of the people here are/believe those things.
Jack (and other assorted bleeding hearts) there are women out there who are tired of seeing other women objectifying themselves (see the above penis pop picture) as they play the perpetual victims of the ‘patriarchy’. Some of us are sick enough of it to speak up. Get over it.
Yeah, and there are lots of women (and men, thank goodness) out there who are tired of seeing women objectifying themselves (posing with penis pops) and who are ALSO tired of seeing women be objectified by others (made fun of for daring to be seen without freshly-styled hair). Some of us are sick enough of it to speak up, too.
These pictures are so sad. Let’s throw sex toys around and lick penis pops and, oh yeah, but don’t forget to get tested!?! The radical feminists have made the female body the enemy. How can we be more like men? Well, let’s control our fertility by blocking life and since 1973 having the legal right to destroy it. Saw a great interview last night with Dr. Angela Franks on Faith and Culture and she discussed all of this. The female is a person with a beautiful gift, to cooperate in creating human life and housing that human life in her womb. One of the gifts of being female is being fertile, of course there being some exception. Human Vitae was so right, imho.
LOL. You poor little victim. Like I was saying…
Not a victim. Just fed up with the objectification of women – from the women themselves and from those around them.
I think that it is safe to say that many pro-aborts ARE what we might consider “sluts.” (Men and women alike.)
I do not think that we should sugarcoat their behavior. We must tell them of their wrongs.
However, there are perhaps more loving ways of going about it, especially if we are claiming to be Christians.
There is a time and place for everything…and maybe in making a point in an article or speech there might be room for some watered down name calling if it is necessary for point being made…but commenting on a blog calling someone names who, though we disagree with, is still a human being…well, I just ask that those among us who are Christian consider these verses.
I am guilty of this too, but something that I am working on…
2 Cor 12:20
For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder.
Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all sin.
Proverbs 13:3
He who guards his mouth preserves his life, but he who opens wide his lips shall have destruction.
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yes even xalisae who probably is considered a white latino
So you didn’t come here for any actual dialogue, just to confirm stereotypes about us for yourself so you can feel better about writing off anything we say because we’re all just a bunch of white, Christian, privileged conservatards. To the point that nothing we say will change your mind. To the point that YOU are telling ME what MY race is.
I pointed out the fact she has greasy hair. BFD. I don’t feel compelled to defend slutty behavior-too bad for all you PC sycophants. Enjoy your backpatting over how tolerant you are-some of us have to go to work.
Nice try, but I didn’t defend “slutty” behavior, much less say that you should, and I’m not a PC sycophant. I am intolerant of objectification, among many other things including abortion, but tolerant of less-than-perfect hair – quick, somebody pat me on the back!! And yes, I work as well. Miraculously, it does not stop me from treating other people with respect even when they do not respect themselves, any more than working stops you from pointing and laughing at perfectly average-looking women.
Reality is not worth replying to (he’s merely a Screwtape a la CS Lewis’ book) but just in case some readers are following along:
Many of the Biblical authors DID in fact live and witness first hand the events they described. Scholars have been able to confirm this by the fact that certain cultural norms that are mentioned in parts of the bible would not have been known by authors who tried to write the story hundreds of years later. Lots of great people have written books on the subject that can easily be found on the likes of Amazon.com.
For those of you interested, a few of these authors are Ithamar, Baruch, and Shawsha, to name only 3. I have been compiling a list of them to flesh out in a later project so I won’t belabor it here. But interesting to note: Baruch and Jeremiah were living just before the Babylonian exile. Jeremiah had so much hope that Israel would be restored, he bought a piece of property in Judah. Baruch wrote out the deed, he writes in Jeremiah, and sealed it with a clay stamp. Not to long ago, some archeologists were digging around the temple area and lo! They found 53 small ceramic pieces that had been the clay stamps affixed to documents. They were found among material that had been buried since the destruction of the Solomon’s temple. One of the pieces bears Baruch’s name and what appears to be his thumbprint.
So suck it, Reality. Want more archeological proof, readers? Google “Adam Zertal” and read what he’s got to say on the subject of Biblical historicity.
The Bible is a collection of writings, true, but that only enhances its value and in no way diminishes it’s value as a cultural and religious treasure.
When I publish my work, I’ll be sure to post on here with my full real name and where my book can be purchased. Don’t hold your breath, though, it’s going to be a long term project.
@xalisae,
Please don’t project your own anxieties on me. I have engaged in dialoge, without name calling. i honestly believe that if I were to see a good argument, based on solid facts I might change my views. You said you’re latino, judging by your picture you’re white latino. Latino is not a race of people, you are either white or black latino, period. Maybe you’re black latino, I don’t know, nor am I concerned with which it is.
@amber currie,
“I think that it is safe to say that many pro-aborts ARE what we might consider “sluts.” (Men and women alike.)
I do not think that we should sugarcoat their behavior. We must tell them of their wrongs.”
So maybe we could define sluts? is a slut someone who has had 2 sexual partners? is it 10? The average american, I believe, has roughly 6. Does that mean that if you’ve had 1 over the average, you’re a slut? I am only being slightly facetious, but mostly I would really like to know what we’re deeming a slut.
Let’s put that aside though, why is being a slut bad? Is there empirical evidence to suggest that having “a lot” of sexual partners is bad? Is it just your moral stance, and if so are you willing to allow that other people have different morals, and that in general their morals are just as valid as yours?
@ninek
I want archeological proof of a worldwide flood. This is one of the single most fantastical stories in the bible and it has absolutely no evidence, archeological or otherwise, to suggest that it’s true. It’s also incredibly close to parts of the epic of gilgamesh. There is archeological evidence to suggest that many of the places in the old testament are real, and I am sure some of the writers were contemporaries of their story. Although, it’s very hard to argue that the new testament was written during the life of Jesus. Historians are pretty sure that they were written down many years later. This is not to say that the stories could not have been part of an oral tradition.
Google Definitions:
Slut: A slovenly or promiscuous woman.
Slovenly:
(esp. of a person or their appearance) Messy and dirty.
(esp. of a person or action) Careless; excessively casual.
Synonyms:
untidy – slipshod – sloppy – careless – sluttish
Promiscuous:
(of a person) Having many sexual relationships, esp. transient ones.
(of sexual behavior or a society) Characterized by such relationships.
@amber currie,
Now we get to it. I will go by your definitions, but we still have some work to do.
many: consisting of or amounting to a large but indefinite number<worked for many years>
large: exceeding most other things of like kind especially in quantity or size
admittedly, I only put the definitions that are relevant to this. So by your definition, if you are to exceed the amount of sexual partners the average person has, you are a slut. So we’re talking about roughly 7 people?
I also don’t think anyone uses slut to mean slovenly anymore, we almost always use it in the perjorative sense referring to sexuality.
I however am not concerned with playing this semantic game, I was hoping to get your actual opinion on where the slut line is. I was looking for something specific, like a number.
Where do you get the number 7 from?
Yeah, and MPQ was there when god ‘poofed’ the world into existence and magicked up adam and steve. LOL.
“The Bible is a collection of writings, true, but that only enhances its value and in no way diminishes it’s value as a cultural and religious treasure.” – and that’s all it is, a book of cultural and religious ‘treasure’, just like the Iliad or the egyptian book of the dead. It sure ain’t no scientific textbook.
1.) I am a LATINA. I am not a man.
la·ti·na/l??t?n?/
Noun:
A female Latin American inhabitant of the US.
That is the definition from an English dictionary.
2.) If Obama gets to say he’s black even though he’s half and was raised primarily by the white side of his family, then I can say that I am a Latina, especially because my dad isn’t 100% white and I spent most of my time growing up with my mom’s family. Once again, YOU do not know me, and YOU do not get to tell ME what race I am.
3.) If you put no value on human lives, there’s really no point in talking to you about this issue, is there? I mean, if you don’t see any difference between my life and an alley cat walking past your window, there’s just as much reason for me to try and explain our position to you as you’d have to try and teach that alley cat advanced algebra.
Mods,
Just curious, why is my comment awaiting moderation? I have not written anything inflammatory. What’s up?
Doe, I just fished it out. Sometimes things get randomly flagged, with no clue as to why. Please email one of the mods directly next time (listed under “Team” in the sidebar) and we’ll take care of it as soon as possible! Thanks! :)
Thank you, Kel. I was worried that I might have offended someone on another thread, maybe? I’ve always tried to be respectful on this blog. Whew! Thank you. :)
Amber Currie: Where do you get the number 7 from?
I got mine from a guy named Joe, in New Jersey. You? ;)
Seriously, it comes from “lucky 7,” right? Youse guys was talkin’ about “gettin’ lucky,” right? :)
Okay, maybe it wasn’t all that serious.
hey leave my state out of this ;) haha
alugwin says:
March 1, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@cournay,so a zygote, is a human? I mean by definition it hasn’t even gotten it’s own DNA yet.
(Denise) At conception, the DNA of the zygote is unique and separate from that of the female carrying it.
I cannot, the early church was considered a cult and banned throughout the empire. Nero and Caligula enjoyed feeding christian’s to the lions. Constantine changed the state religion to Christianity, thereby creating a more organized church. The Roman Empire’s technology and wisdom were inherited by the middle east, as Europe was in the dark ages. The churches grasp and influence over early europe kept knowledge out of the hands of the common man. Most literates were therefore part of the clergy. The medicine that most of them believed, far from being roman, was influenced be greek medical philosophy, with their 4 humours idea.
Just some fact checks:
I cannot, the early church was considered a cult and banned throughout the empire. Nero and Caligula enjoyed feeding christian’s to the lions. Constantine changed the state religion to Christianity, thereby creating a more organized church.
We have no evidence of persecution of Christians in the time of Caligula; there’s a debatable reference to persecution under Claudius (Caligula’s successor), but our earliest undisputed example of persecution is from Nero’s reign. Constantine legalized Christianity but did not make it the state religion–that was done by Theodosius around the year 390. The church was already highly organized by Constantine’s time, though it received some obvious benefits of imperial support, not the least of which was state-sponsored persecution of heretics.
The Roman Empire’s technology and wisdom were inherited by the middle east, as Europe was in the dark ages.The medicine that most of them believed, far from being roman, was influenced be greek medical philosophy, with their 4 humours idea.
I don’t really have time to explain the fall of the Roman Empire, so I’ll just say that your grasp of it appears to be imperfect. In any event, medical theory of the Roman Empire was based on Greek medical philosophy, not separate from it. If there was a Roman “medical wisdom” distinct from Greek medical wisdom during the Empire, I’d like to know what it is. I’d also like to know how it ended up in the Middle East but not Europe. The Islamic world did end up retaining a great deal of ancient scholarship that was lost to the West, but is was mostly Greek, not Latin, scholarship.
That being said, I have no idea what MPQ means when s/he credits the “early church” with “modern medicine;” possibly it’s a garbling of Rodney Stark’s work. The early church (“early church” usually means pre-Constantinian) was not an innovator of medicine or of literature, but the early medieval church deserves credit for preserving a great deal if ancient literature.
The churches grasp and influence over early europe kept knowledge out of the hands of the common man. Most literates were therefore part of the clergy.
That was a result of social and economic changes in the post-Roman world. The clergy did not seek to monopolize literacy, but they came to be the only group of people that consistently needed and valued it.
Obviously we are only talking about post-Roman western Europe, not Byzantium.
Also don’t have time to go into social programs. Yes, the early church did innovate in that field, but that doesn’t really have any bearing on modern issues.
Hey Doug,
THAT was wrong and you know it.
Not funny.
Boo! Sex positivity is disgusting! If you’re not feeling guilt and shame you’re not doing it right ;)