Potty mouth Planned Parenthood delivery guy
It is understandable that people associated with abortion might be unpleasant, as was this delivery person for General Air, in Denver, Colorado, who dropped off an oxygen cylinder at Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains on October 24 and did not think very kindly of the pro-life activists standing outside.
WARNING: Vulgar language…
I wonder if General Air president Gary Armstrong knows how surly his employees can become?
Perhaps he and senior vice presidents Brad Armstrong, Mark Gregory, Mike Owings, and Art Waskey might reconsider doing business with this baby murdering business, which obviously brings out the worst in people.
And, of course, does General Air really want to take blood money?
Nov.27, 2012 12:40 pm |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
A proabort man calling a woman a b*tch. Surprise. Surprise.
It’s all about helpin’ teh wimminz, Prax! TEH WIMMINZ RITES! EMPOURMINT AN STUFF!
Oddly enough Gary & his wife are Christians.
Since I was the woman the delivery guy cursed, I wrote Gary & asked why in the world they do business with evil PP? That was several weeks back but no reply.
I’ll need to let him know his story has gone national.
Thanks, Jill !
I thought I recognized your voice, Les! Thanks for all you do to try to save the preborn… :)
send them all emails at ____@generalair.com
General Air will get our company’s business now. Thanks, prolifers, for your assistance.
Can’t we all just be civil and not revert to yelling at each other and calling each other names? I’m willing to be proven wrong, but I’m betting no pro-choice person has ever thought “Oh my, they are calling me a baby killer at the top of their lungs and their yelling is very persuasive. Maybe I should just be pro-life.”
“General Air will get our company’s business now. Thanks, prolifers, for your assistance.”
lol @ this. yes, great idea to use a company whose employees are so unprofessional. You’re welcome!
And ditto Patrick. I was outside a clinic once and one of the regulars said, “Hi, my name is (name) and I’d like to talk to you today about other options you might have,” or words to that effect. The woman to whom he was “talking” (more like yelling unfortunately due to the buffer zone law) didn’t turn around, but it occurred to me that naming yourself and not seeming like just some anonymous crazy person yelling seems like something a woman – or man, as in the case of the Gen Air employee – might actually RESPOND to, as opposed to the approach that some prolifers use.
Hey, the guy’s just following orders. Wait, where have I heard that before?
If you were the one being killed, I doubt you’d
be as concerned about the niceties & volume of discourse.
Stop the killing!!
General Air will get our company’s business now. Thanks, prolifers, for your assistance.
Let me know what your business is Randy, and I’ll make sure everyone knows that you are willing to do business with men who scream B%TCH at women.
“If you were the one being killed, I doubt you’d be as concerned about the niceties & volume of discourse”
Leslie, prolifers are at times our own worst enemies. And if niceties and volumes of discourse don’t matter, then none of us should be complaining about the General Air guy’s behavior. The way you or anyone else represents the prolife movement of course matters.
I can see these sidewalk hecklers have been diligently reading “How to Win Friends and Influence People”.
Joanne,
No Child Killing with Tranquility!!!
Really!? You’re supporting the people harrassing and verbally assaulting an old man??? This is a blue collar DELIVERY GUY who happens to have a stop on his route that is an abortion clinic and he’s supposed to be cool with people calling him a “Baby Killer”?
It makes us sound insane.
Please don’t post stuff like this…My dad was a driver and if he had refused one of his stops he would’ve been fired. And guess what, that would’ve meant me or one of my five brothers and sister’s might not have eaten the next week.
And guess what (if it isn’t already obvious from the number of kids lol) we were good Catholics who were/are pro-life…But damned if my dad wouldn’t have lost it too if some busybodies started shouting “Baby Killer” and worse at him while he dropped off a shipment SOMEBODY else at the company signed off on.
Shame on them. Shame on you. Shame on us. This video doesn’t represent me nor the type of people I want fighting on MY SIDE.
I’m so glad he did it. The Pro-lifers need to stay out of peoples business especially an organization that does so much good!
Sorry, but I fail to understand why anybody, pro-lifers or otherwise are harassing a guy who is just doing his job, trying to work for a living. I doubt he asked for the route and I doubt he has the ability to turn down the route. So why are you picking on him? I fail to see the righteousness in that.
FWIW, my beef with Komen has nothing to do with Planned Parenthood funding, which clearly has nothing to do with abortion services. The real issue with SGK is that early detection and treatment, while important, are not a “cure”. The lack of any real focus on why women in developed countries get cancer at such high rates is a huge problem. SGK is cozy with the folks who make money on cancer detection and treatment, and other corporations who really care about your help (like KFC). Like Livestrong, they are too much empty “awareness” machine while the people doing the heavy lifting on research into causes are starved of oxygen and funds by these huge sham organizations.
If the American Lung Association told you they were ditching the focus on air quality and really going to focus on screening kids for asthma and developing great inhalers, you’d say they were off their rocker, but that is what SGK does every day.
Delivering oxygen does not make that man a baby killer. Use some sense instead of scapegoating a man who was making a simple delivery.
And if you’re so concerned about promoting life, why not volunteer some time helping those who are already alive instead of shouting outside a health facility? There are plenty of people out there who already have a heartbeat and would benefit from the outreach. But that wouldn’t help you shame the pro-choice crowd, now would it?
AB,
Sometimes it takes vinegar to attract flies. Stick around. You may learn that heartbeats start a lot earlier than you think. Maybe then you’ll start having inconvenient thoughts about just who deserves your zealous defense.
And Andrew, do you also support the rights of your sister, nieces, and granddaughters?
The fact is that abortion kill humans. Whether you want to say human killer, baby killer, fetus killer, etc. It is what it is. How is stating the facts taunting anyone or condescending? You should be ashamed for defending a man who calls a woman a b*tch for disagreeing with his actions. We’ve sure come along way ladies.
I can’t believe people are not all over this man for calling a woman a B*TCH. I didn’t hear her say baby killer at all. She opposes abortion and makes that clear. To rationalize someone calling her a B*TCH for using her freedom of speech is absolutely despicable.
“And if you’re so concerned about promoting life, why not volunteer some time helping those who are already alive instead of shouting outside a health facility? There are plenty of people out there who already have a heartbeat and would benefit from the outreach. But that wouldn’t help you shame the pro-choice crowd, now would it?”
Many of us pro-lifers do volunteer elsewhere. In fact, if you do as well, we are probably right next to you. Did you know also that pro-life organizations help moms with everything from diapers and clothes to jobs and housing? Finally, you are right to think that heartbeat is significant. Do you know when your heart began to beat?
“No matter what you do, you can’t win. People will be free.”
It’s not a game. We don’t want to “win”. We want all people, born and unborn, to be free to go on living.
A teen mom I was working with through my job, about 10 years ago, needed a crib. I phoned around, and got the pregnancy help center. The woman on the phone said these words, and I quote: We don’t help once the baby’s born.
That brand of pro-life is NOT pro-life, but pro-birth.
I assume that if this chap gives up his job because one of the legitimate businesses he happens to deliver to is one that you don’t like, you will pay his bills and put food on his table.
Okay, I am going to start off this with one statement; I’m prochoice. I believe a woman’s body is hers and government should not have a say in what women choose to do with their bodies. I understand and respect those who disagree with me and I feel that on this page there are quite a lot of you.
However, we must look at this rationally. The man is not a representative of Planned Parenthood. (Which is not an abortion clinic, but a women’s health center, providing accessible healthcare such as mammograms, pap smears, birth control, and prenatal care for women– and yes, sometimes they provide abortions.) This man is a delivery guy, he was being heckled walking into a building, being accused of, “helping to kill the babies,” and I can imagine anyone would react poorly towards this. No one likes to have someone’s views thrown at them, or yelled at them, this creates a negative atmosphere. Not to mention the delivery guy has no choice in who he delivers to, this is his job. He is a small representative of the company General Air, who delivers to more than Planned Parenthood.
Therefore I do not see how this is relevant to either company or politically charged side of this issue. This is a simple human interaction- which would have been ignored if he had been heckled and yelled profanities in front of, let’s say, a nursing home. This does not provide any real fire for either side. It just shows that human beings do not like confrontation– no surprises there.
Well, Emily, good thing most pregnancy help centers aren’t like that at all. Otherwise, they wouldn’t ask for donations of specific items to distribute, like diapers, formula, cribs, carseats, and in some cases (as was posted just a few days ago) even food baskets.
Maybe you should try not to label all pregnancy centers or the pro-life movement based on one incident which only served to support what bias you already had.
I suppose by watching this video, your group is just as offensive to say… the postal worker who dares to deliver mail there as well. Geez, I would have called her a lot more than just bitch.
He’s doing his job.
Seriously, I have had “Christians” sit next to me on bar stools and curse and drink like sailors . Those same “Christians” will gladly call for the execution of a person who hasn’t even had their day in court.
Guess that once you take that breath, you and your mother will be shunned and blamed for all of the ills in the world because those nice christians told her that they would help her take care of you
Guess what? Those christians lied to her through their teeth
Most women who go to Planned Parenthood aren’t there to get an abortion any more than most women who go to any OB-GYN’s office are there to get an abortion. I’m one of eight kids, and my mom went to Planned Parenthood for basic prenatal care. I’ve been to Planned Parenthood many times myself when I was too poor to pay for good health insurance, but I never went there for an abortion. Like most women, I went there for basic health care, to get breast exams and pap smears (even women who save themselves for marriage need those), and to make sure I never faced an unplanned pregnancy. Some women avoid pregnancy by choosing abstinence, some by choosing contraception, but we all have the same goal: to only get pregnant when we’re ready, if at all. No woman wants to have abortion, and most of what Planned Parenthood does helps prevent abortions from ever happening.
And come on, this guy wasn’t helping “baby killers.” He was delivering a tank of oxygen and he should be able to work without being harassed.
Who are you people and who elected you god? To have to scour the bottom of your barrel of supposed atrocities, by harassing someone doing his job and then, when he tells you to STFU, you make it sound like he is representative of the business to which he is making a delivery? All this shows is how little respect you have for anyone. Why aren’t you shouting at the mailman, or standing on the sidewalk at the electric or water departments? How about the phone company? Maybe you should turn in your cellphones since I’m sure they’re functioning as providers for Planned Parenthood? Picking on someone doing his job is the lowest of the low; you have never had any moral high ground.
“A god that would frighten is not a god — but an insidious idol and weapon in the hands of the insane.” — Meister Eckhart
How many kids have you adopted?
If you put one tenth of the time and money into helping actual children you could make a difference in the world. Instead you are getting off on trying to upset this guy who is making a delivery- who needs a job to feed his actual children- who are born!!!
Your activities are self indulgent and pointless.
Attacking people is not Christian, and your values are totally messed up.
Hans,
Vinegar does not attract flies. Honey does, and so do big steaming piles of dung. And this crowd has clearly chosen not to use honey, but the latter.
Having an intelligent, rational conversation would go a lot farther than I imagine anyone wants to believe. But that doesn’t attract the media and other shamers like Jill over here.
You’re not even yelling at the right people! You’re verbally assaulting people making deliveries and getting primary health care.
These people are being accused of something they aren’t guilty of. And you better believe that if I were in their shoes, I’d have some colorful language to share with you as well.
But the fact of the matter is, if you’re looking for the media circus, keep shouting. If you’re actually looking to change people’s minds, have a heartfelt conversation with someone. Honey really does work wonders.
33 likes on some of these comments????
Hmmmmmm.
A swarm on this thread eh? :)
ANYONE who aids in the abortion biz……plumbers, electricians, maintenance, paper salesmen, construction workers, waste management(that pick up the bloody bodies) oxygen tank delivery men ARE complicit. They are. They are aiding in the continuation of abortion. They are helping the business to keep going.
Would I stand outside and yell “BABY KILLER!!!” at them? No.
“Today we are way nicer than God. It is tragic. This spiritual plateau that the Church has reached conveniently reduces the chances for confrontation. Nice people rarely rebuke, judge, confront, accuse or condemn. Nice people have less stress. It seems the only ones that Christians are quick to judge and condemn are fellow believers who judge and condemn the wicked. Go figure.” http://kgov.com/nicer-than-god
BTW, Carla, neither Tony nor I call the delivery guy a baby killer. I’m telling him he’s delivering to Denver’s Auschwitz and Tony told him he’s helping the baby killers.
I agree, Carla,
Something’s up .
I don’t agree that he’s “helping kill the babies”. He’s a delivery man, he works for a delivery company, not Planned Parenthood.
I am USUALLY on the side of my “fellow pro-lifers” …
But not in this particular case.
I stand by my statements in the video that he is helping kill babies.
Just as the Zyclon B manufacturers helped kill Jews.
As long as the money is green, these evil companies will take it, no matter who dies in the process.
It is evil to provide goods and services to a company that kills babies plain and simple.
As for those who say we targeted this one company, go look at my site, we have many evil companies to choose from in many states.
As for those who say “hes just doing his job” – he is profiting off of the murder of babies. Most don’t care – its all about being selfish. Some do care. Maybe some companies will quit serving the baby killers. Who knows. Our job is to deliver the news “Speak out for the speechless” “speak out for those being led to the slaughter”….
If you were about to get your head chopped off, and arms ripped off, wouldn’t you want someone there to speak out for you?
Tony Massey – The guy who called the General Air guy a baby killer helper.
Leslie,
I didn’t say you did.
Do they help PP kill babies? ABSOLUTELY!!
Would I stand outside and yell it at them? No.
My calling is a bit different than yours though Leslie and Tony. And that is ok.
If I were the delivery guy…If I needed my job to feed my family…If I felt I had no way to survive…If this particular delivery duty were thrust upon me by circumstances…What would I do?
First of all I would not go round calling people names…especially if they were possibly in a position to help me out of the situation. Aiding in abortion that is…even in an indirect way.
I would go over and talk with the prolifers and explain my situation…I would ask them what they would do or what they could help me do. I would pray with them about it (if possible). I would talk with my company to try and get them out of the business. I would speak with the people I make the delivery to every time I met them. I would talk with everyone about the situation the best I could. Basically, make a stink about it in every way possible short of losing the job I depend on. Without any resolution, ultimately, I would probably have to leave or transfer to another place. But honestly, I am not sure how fast that might happen.
“To rationalize someone calling her a B*TCH for using her freedom of speech is absolutely despicable.”
This is a truly hilarious comment. She uses her “freedom of speech” to accuse a man making a delivery of aiding a death camp and he uses his “freedom of speech” to call her a B*TCH. No rationalization required, just free speech for BOTH. He has as much right to call her names as she does to call him names.
oh…crowepps is here! That explains all the upvotes from proaborts. We’re being trolled by RH sur-Reality Chumps!
But that wouldn’t help you shame the pro-choice crowd, now would it?”
And people who call themselves “prochoice” could help women in difficult pregnancies too, by volunteering at prolife shelters for women and children or by donating money or baby supplies to such places. But for some reason, they never seem to; it’s always prolifers who do that. You could even stand out in front of a local clinic to inform women that there are services available to them that would make their abortion unnecessary. If “prochoicers” really cared about making abortion rare, they would help women in difficult circumstances too. And no, voting for big gov’t politicians, failed social programs, and planned parenthood funding does not count as “help.”
“oh…crowepps is here! That explains all the upvotes from proaborts.”
Ah, this helps explain why so many comments are pro-choice.
“We’re being trolled by RH sur-Reality”
This helps explain why they’re all substanceless.
Yeah, my swarm of flies metaphor wasn’t quite as spooky as this troll-bombing. I should have alluded to some other carrion feeders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydLJtKlVVZw
“As for those who say “hes just doing his job” – he is profiting off of the murder of babies.”
Yeah, this guy is probably clearing a cool fifteen bucks an hour. He’s really raking in the blood money.
Ultimately, people like you really are performing a valuable service to society, though not quite in the manner you think. I save videos and articles like this and show them to moderate or politically disinterested acquaintances when election time rolls around as a reminder of just what the modern Republican Party’s “conservative base” is, and what it uses its considerable influence on the state and national parties to promote. It’s not enough to read second-hand accounts or editorials in the Washington Post or New York Times; you really have to see this crap for yourself to understand what the price of apathy is, and I applaud you for readily sharing visual evidence of the depravity and insanity that has taken hold of the GOP.
He has as much right to call her names as she does to call him names.
You need to listen to the video. The only name the woman on the video called him was “Bud.” How do you rationalize his calling her a b*tch from that? Scary.
I can only imagine what this man says to his wife when she makes meatloaf when he was expecting porkchops. Eeek.
This man should be fired from his job.
Who or what is ‘RH’? It has nothing to do with me, surely the mods can check somehow.
(*sigh*) Why is it that, when I get a precious spare moment to check in on this blog, I encounter an abortion-tolerant swarm of trolls?
…although it IS a full moon… :)
Hi, everyone! Terribly sorry for my long neglect; new textbooks, etc., have me running rather hurriedly! I do poke in from time to time, though usually quietly… since many of the threads are either full of: (a) sane comments with which I wouldn’t disagree, or (b) troll screed, to which a response would be a waste of effort. Perhaps the future will yield different results… but especially after the election, the abortion-tolerant, pro-legal-abortion crowd on this blog seems to have gotten a bit more unhinged and heedless of even the tiniest bit of rationality, civility, etc. (It may be easier to notice when you only pop in every other week or so, as I’ve been doing!)
My very best to my friends (and polite-and-worthy adversaries) on board! :)
To all those who claim that this guy isn’t helping kill babies “he’s just doing his job” whiners, like David, Katherine etc…The guy who drove the train to Auschwitz wasn’t killing the Jews either! He was “just doing his job”. The point is that this man is aiding a clinic in their work. Their work is to kill babies. By delivering to them he is helping them accomplish that feat.
And to the one who said her friend was told by the pregnancy resource center that they don’t help once the baby is born. What a bunch of crap. Seriously. I worked with a CPC and have been helped too and they clothe these babies for a year after they’re born, give free diapers, formula and other help like housing, medical etc…
I’ve been sick and I’m grumpy now lets duel pro-baby killers.
I’m pro-life, but let me get this straight: the guy delivering the oxygen tank is an accomplice to the murder of many, many unborn children?
How about yourself? Are you an accomplice?
Do we pro-lifers willfully pay taxes that subsequently fund Planned Parenthood? If so, we are an accomplice to murder.
Do we pro-lifers give our business, possibly unknowingly, to companies that donate to pro-choice organizations? If so, we are an accomplice to murder.
Does God provide these abortion clinic workers air to breath and water to drink so that they may perform their working duties? If so, God is an accomplice to murder.
Obviously I am stretching examples, but the example provided in the video is no more of a stretch. I wish we pro-lifers took more time to listen to others before we yelled at them. Don’t believe I’m pro-life? You can read my blog here: http:///www.frompatricksperspective.blogspot.com
YES PATRICK we are accomplices. That is why I try to find out which companies give money to abortion and then I don’t buy from or support those businesses. We as a society are just like all the Germans who turned a deaf ear to their Jewish neighbors cries for help.
Ever hear of the Manhattan Declaration? It is time for us to be willing to get uncomfortable for our beliefs. Above the name calling and police intimidation. Abortion is a cancer and we have got to really stamp it out.
Hi Reality,
RH Reality Check is a proabort blog. S’prised you didn’t know that.
But now that you do…. Run along. Meet new friends. Have some fun.
PALADIN!!!
Duuuuuuuuuuude.
I can’t swat fast enough on this thread.
I don’t visit pro-choice blogs Carla. They already know the truth. I can do more good here.
Yeah. Keep telling yourself that.
Actually, you do :-)
Hmm, well I’m a security guard, and it’s not really out of the realm of possibility that I someday might end up temporarily guarding a business that’s involved in the abortion industry, since my company contracts out to all kinds of businesses. If your job is in the type of industries like that (mail, deliveries, security, medical equipment companies, etc), you can’t always avoid being told by your supervisors to be tangentially involved in an industry you are very morally opposed to. I don’t know what us pro-lifers expect out of him, exactly. Quit? Refuse to do that delivery and get fired? You want people to end up not being able to pay their bills/feed their families/end up homeless? I get along quite well with my boss but I know that if I just flat out refused to take a job because I didn’t agree with what went on in the building I was guarding I would be looking for a new job real quick.
That being said, this guy really shouldn’t have been cussing out these ladies. If it were me I probably would have ignored them, more eloquent people than I might try to explain the situation to the protesters. I don’t think he was in the right, but I don’t think the protesters were either. Some blue collar delivery guy isn’t who we are fighting here, telling him that he is complicit in killing babies does nothing for the cause, you don’t even know how he feels about the abortion industry and it’s just attacking for the sake of “being right”. Nobody handled this well.
Actually, now that I got the video to work, I probably wouldn’t have called anyone a “b***h* but I almost definitely would have told them to eff off. What exactly is yelling at the delivery guy, or the security guard, or the post office worker, supposed to accomplish here? Yup, trying to shame some blue collar workers totally saved some babies there. Totally.
If people wanted to do something that might have even a small shot at actually changing something, in regards to this company providing oxygen to the clinic, why not protest the higher ups in the company that provides the oxygen? What does yelling at some entry level worker gonna do for us? I mean, I despise home protesting of abortion workers, but even that I can see making more sense than yelling at a delivery guy. Just like I think protesting the actual company that makes the orders to provide oxygen to this clinic would be kind of a stupid thing to do, but at least it would be closer to actually providing discomfort to people who could actually change something. Mr Delivery Man isn’t going to change crap. You might get him fired though, by causing this kind of attention to the company. Whoopee. I bet he becomes a fine pro-life warrior if that happens, lol.
If people want to argue this is a good and moral thing to do, then I want to know if you would be protesting/yelling at/accusing of being a Nazi sympathizer these people:
A post office worker delivering mail to this location
The meter reader or any electrical company worker
The security guard (if they have/had one)
A plumber called to fix the pipes if they had an issue
An electrician called to fix wiring issues if they had them
A police officer called to settle some dispute between staff/patients/escorts/protesters
Any insurance company covering any abortion or non-abortion “service” provided by the clinic
A taxi driver dropping a patient off at the clinic, for an abortion or not
Someone from the phone company called to fix a problem
The phone company itself.
The power company itself
The city itself for providing water services
Someone from the garbage company that is unlucky enough to have this clinic on their pick up route
The garbage company itself.
The internet service provider for the clinic
An IT worker called to fix problems with the computers and/or internet
So, are all those people helping kill babies? Do they all deserve to be protested, and do you think protesting them would be effective? Are we protesting all of these individuals and companies, or at least sending all of them letters/emails? Do you think these people are on the level of an abortion doctor in regards to supporting legal abortion?
Before you know it Jack, it’ll end up with gas stations and office supply companies.
It almost sounds like some people here would like a segregated society with one set of shops, schools, churches, restaurants etc. for pro-choicers and another for anti-choicers.
I don’t know, Reality. I don’t have a problem with protests, it’s free speech and that’s probably the most important thing to have in a society. I just don’t really understand what my fellows hope to accomplish with stuff like this. I haven’t even heard of anyone doing an about-face because they came to read the meter or fix a power line and got accused of helping murder the babies. It just doesn’t seem effective and it seems like it would be pretty far reaching. I think everyone who really thinks this guy is responsible for pre-born babies dying should stop paying all taxes and move off the grid, or it’s a bit hypocritical. Like it or not, we ALL are contributing to abortion in some monetary or otherwise way as long as it’s legal and supported by the government at both a federal and state level. I don’t see the point of harassing some dude who is just trying to get through his work day, not even knowing what he thinks or feels about abortion, not knowing what his story is at all.
You might get him fired though, by causing this kind of attention to the company.
Whether you agree with the protesters or not, this man represents his company and most of us have to deal with people we disagree with day in and day out. They were not “screaming” nor did they call him foul names. He could have ignored them, thanked them or told them that he agreed to disagree and went on his merry way. If I told anyone to eff off and called them a b#tch while representing my employee, I would expect to get fired.
Reality, it’s five o’clock somewhere.
I’m not the one who drinks according to the clock Praxedes. I’ve only just started work. It’ll be some time before I decide whether to have a glass of wine or not :-)
“Whether you agree with the protesters or not, this man represents his company and most of us have to deal with people we disagree with day in and day out. They were not “screaming” nor did they call him foul names. He could have ignored them, thanked them or told them that he agreed to disagree and went on his merry way. If I told anyone to eff off and called them a b#tch while representing my employee, I would expect to get fired. ”
I would much rather be called an a****le or told to eff off than be accused of helping murder babies, actually the first would make me laugh and the second I would be gravely offended by. But that’s not really my point. If he gets fired, that is his company’s decision (though I don’t think that it will be popularly seen like that, I think it will come back to be blamed on the pro-life movement). I am mainly concerned with how this affects the pro-life movement. How is what they said to him effective, and how did it help us save babies? Is this just a town caller type of thing, that saying “truth” is enough or are we trying to accomplish something (the end of legal abortion, hopefully)? How is this furthering our goals at all?
What about the little boy and the bus driver? He and his friends were chanting “Romney” on the bus and the boy told the bus driver that Obama was for abortion. If instead this child had said that Obama supports killing unborn babies, would you think it okay if the bus driver called the child a b*sturd and told him to eff off? The bus driver was just trying to do her job, right? Was the little boy harassing the driver?
If I tell anyone that abortion kills an unborn baby, do I deserve to be called a b*tch?
If a couple of people were telling delivery folks outside a power plant that they were contributing to air pollution by doing business with the polluting plant, would you rationalize the delivery man using such foul language?
We all need to speak up and out. If not us, who? If not now, when?
And does any regular here really believe that Reality has never heard of RHReality? I believe her as much as I believe she stops after one glass of wine.
First off, I’m not trying to rationalize him using naughty language, though I do find it understandable. I think he would have been well-advised to just ignore them. That should be clear, sorry if I didn’t make it so.
“What about the little boy and the bus driver? He and his friends were chanting “Romney” on the bus and the boy told the bus driver that Obama was for abortion. If instead this child had said that Obama supports killing unborn babies, would you think it okay if the bus driver called the child a b*sturd and told him to eff off? The bus driver was just trying to do her job, right? Was the little boy harassing the driver?
If I tell anyone that abortion kills an unborn baby, do I deserve to be called a b*tch?”
False analogies. Stating that Obama supports abortion, or stating that abortion kills an unborn baby, is quite a different scenario than a group of people calling out to a guy accusing him of being complicit in murder. I can’t imagine any human would be pleased with this or give those people the time of day. No more than I would if I were providing security to a hospital that does some abortions and someone told me that I was helping murder babies. I might have some choice words to say to someone who said something like that to me.
And I don’t think these pro-lifers “deserve” to be called names. I don’t think this delivery man “deserves” to be called complicit in murder either. I find what both people did somewhat understandable. However, I have a vested interest in pro-lifers furthering our goals, and I will argue against things that I think harm us. Does that make sense?
“We all need to speak up and out. If not us, who? If not now, when?”
That’s true, we do need to speak up. Which is why I am concerned that we speak up in effective ways that further our goals, not ways that are useless and just look silly, like messing with some delivery guy.
Praxedes – really – I didn’t say I hadn’t heard of RHReality. I had heard of it as its been mentioned here before. I actually asked “Who or what is ‘RH’?” because the only terms used on this thread at that stage were “RH sur-Reality Chumps!” and “We’re being trolled by RH sur-Reality”. Carla was kind enough to clarify it for me.
“I believe her as much as I believe she stops after one glass of wine.” – oh dear! Given that it has been clear and obvious for quite some time now that I am male, I really am starting to worry about you.
Because who better to tell a bunch of women that we are wrong about ourselves and our children than some dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd7e1fXYIuM
Jack,
ALL of those folks in those professions are HELPING to keep the abortion biz running. They are complicit. Absolutely.
When the 3rd largest abortion mill in the nation was being built 20 min from me there was a letter writing, emailing, calling campaign to EVERYONE involved. Construction workers, construction companies, electricians etc.
And yes there are those that REFUSE to participate in any of it once they find out. There are folks that have lost their jobs rather than participate in the building of a mill.
There was a photo shared on facebook awhile back. A hazardous waste man carrying a box full of bloody bodies after late term abortion day at Orlando Women’s Center. He helps keep the biz running doesn’t he?
Given that it has been clear and obvious for quite some time now that I am male, I really am starting to worry about you.
And I’ve made it clear and obvious for quite some time that I believe little of what you say. Male/Female it doesn’t matter because I find much of what you say to be bull.
I’m not starting to worry about you. I always have.
The delivery man is complicit in the murdering of unborn children. He is also complicit in the further disrespect of women. Notice he didn’t call the man in the video a comparable name.
Leslie et al,
Please don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re doing The Lord’s work. Christ did The Lord’s work and I don’t recall a single Bible verse in which he taunted or harassed anyone.
Yes, he threw over some tables once when money was being exchanged in the temple; however, I also know that he was kind to sinners and indignant of the self-righteous. The meek shall inherit the earth.
You may want to take a good, hard look inward before throwing stones at others.
Hey pro-choicers, what are your thoughts on this?
Ignoring 12 US abortion deaths to push “safe and legal” abortions in Ireland
Please read the article and comment in that thread.
Hey cool Anabel. How was Leslie taunting anyone? Question: What are YOU doing to stop the shedding of innocent blood Anabel?
And people who call themselves “prochoice” could help women in difficult pregnancies too, by volunteering at prolife shelters for women and children or by donating money or baby supplies to such places
Not only do they NOT help, they try to shut them down.
Yes, he threw over some tables once when money was being exchanged in the temple;
If it makes you feel better, Annabel, just imagine the prolifers pushing over a couple of tables in the video while they were speaking to the delivery man.
:) Hi, Carla!
And re: the main topic: I don’t find it at all unusual that any conscientious pro-lifer would try his/her best to plead with ANYONE who’s assisting an abortuary, even materially or tangentially. At the risk of driving some readers into (what Fr. Z calls) “a spittle-flecked nutty”: no sane person would disagree that a delivery person, after being told that he/she was delivering supplies necessary for the continued operation of a Nazi gas chamber/death-camp/crematorium and who simply shrugged and kept supplying (much less verbally abusing the people who warned him, in the process) was in the wrong.
Look: either babies are being killed in Planned Parenthood abortion “clinics”, or they are not. If they are, then it is either murder (i.e. a grave moral evil, regardless of whether the nation’s laws are too stupid to acknowledge it), or it is not. If it is murder, then helping to supply necessary materials for that murder is either morally wrong, or it is not. Let’s not muddle things, here.
Would the fellow’s job be in danger if he refused to deliver to Planned Parenthood? Perhaps. If so, then I ask in all seriousness: what of it? What is your implication? That one must never place one’s job in danger, no matter what evil one is required to commit? The one who is not free to leave a job which violates his conscience and character is in chains, indeed.
Are we arguing?
Oh, heavens, no! I meant the first line for you, and the rest for other contributors who were arguing the point! A thousand apologies; I should’ve been clearer when typing!
Let me try again, with edited text (feel free to delete the first one, Carla… and I do apologise, again! I’m a bit foggy-headed, this morning, it seems!)…
:) Hi, Carla!
And to the others on the thread who are arguing re: the main topic: I don’t find it at all unusual that any conscientious pro-lifer would try his/her best to plead with ANYONE who’s assisting an abortuary, even materially or tangentially. At the risk of driving some readers into (what Fr. Z calls) “a spittle-flecked nutty”: no sane person would disagree that a delivery person, after being told that he/she was delivering supplies necessary for the continued operation of a Nazi gas chamber/death-camp/crematorium and who simply shrugged and kept supplying (much less verbally abusing the people who warned him, in the process) was in the wrong.
Look: either babies are being killed in Planned Parenthood abortion “clinics”, or they are not. If they are, then it is either murder (i.e. a grave moral evil, regardless of whether the nation’s laws are too stupid to acknowledge it), or it is not. If it is murder, then helping to supply necessary materials for that murder is either morally wrong, or it is not. Let’s not muddle things, here.
Would the fellow’s job be in danger if he refused to deliver to Planned Parenthood? Perhaps. If so, then I ask in all seriousness: what of it? What is your implication? That one must never place one’s job in danger, no matter what evil one is required to commit? The one who is not free to leave a job which violates his conscience and character is in chains, indeed.
Paladin,
Good. Just checking. :)
Excellent post.
:) Your servant, Milady! (*bow*)