Coulter on liberal hypocrisy: Why can’t we publish names of women who’ve had abortions?
Why aren’t we getting the names of recently paroled criminals? People with gun permits by definition do not have criminal records. Why can’t we get the criminal records? No, you can’t get that.
Why can’t we get a record of women who’ve had abortions? They get money from Planned Parenthood. They get money from Medicare, Medicaid. Much of this is tax subsidies. I think mothers might want to know what other women on their street might be willing to murder a child….
~ Conservative author Ann Coulter on the Sean Hannity Show December 3, railing on liberal hypocrisy regarding the so-called “right to privacy” when it comes to legal gun ownership, as provided for by the Second Amendment. A suburban New York City newspaper recently published the names and addresses of registered gun owners living in the area.
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I am a post-abortive Christian woman (and abolitionist). Ann Coulter’s comment really aggravated me! Not all women who get abortions do so by their own choosing. I was coerced into having one, and have regretted it every day since that it happened. Planned Murderhood did NOT perform my abortion, and the “father” paid for the death of our child. *sigh*
Please don’t take Ann personally.(I am post abortive as well)
She is pointing out the hypocrisy.
PS When they published the names and addresses of gun owners they also made it quite clear who DOESN’T have a gun!!
What Carla said.
Coulter’s wit is in her sarcasm. She would never advocate violating one’s privacy, be it gun owner’s names, paroled criminal’s names, or names of abortive mothers. She’s simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Left.
Um, we can’t get personal medical information on women who get abortions because its a HIPAA violation, I believe. That shouldn’t change. I honestly think it’s fairly disgusting to act like anyone should have the right to that information. We can be against abortion without violating medical privacy laws.
That being said I don’t agree with legal gun owners having their names publicly available. I think that’s a violation of privacy too, and fairly ridiculous to claim utter privacy for some people exercising legal rights but not others. But Ann’s wrong about criminal records, you can get criminal records easily. They are public information unless they are sealed by a judge or you were a minor when you committed them (and sometimes juvenile records are kept open depending on the crime and whether you were charged as an adult).
“Coulter’s wit is in her sarcasm. She would never advocate violating one’s privacy, be it gun owner’s names, paroled criminal’s names, or names of abortive mothers. She’s simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Left.”
It’s only wit if she gets her facts right. You can get people’s criminal records any time you want. And Coulter may not seriously advocate for violating people’s privacy but I have heard the thought that abortion records should be transparent which is a terrible idea.
I do think it’s really dangerous to publish a public list of gun owner’s addresses, though. Now any thief who wants to know which house isn’t protected with a firearm will hit one that’s not on the list. If someone wants to steal a gun they know which houses will have one.
Publishing the names of women who had abortions was something Senator Storms of the Florida Senate proposed in 2011. SB 1858: Public Records/Abortion was filed in March 2011 but died in Health Regulation.
“Publishing the names of women who had abortions was something Senator Storms of the Florida Senate proposed in 2011. SB 1858: Public Records/Abortion was filed in March 2011 but died in Health Regulation.”
Yup, I still find it disgusting. That’s my state, I knew I heard about someone seriously suggesting it somewhere.
I find it ‘disgusting’ that taxpayers are required to subsidize elective/cosmetic surgical procedures for healthy women [or men]. Pregnancy is NOT a disease or a disability.
If that annoys you, then take it up with mother nature or father evolution.
‘But we have all these poor helpless lassies who just can’t provide for themselves’:
“Oh woe is us ! What shall we do Rhett Butler?”
“Quit your whining Harlot O’ Scara’s. Cowgirl up and be real women or find a panty waisted whimp you can manipulate to keep you in the dependent parasitic lifestyle to which you have become accustomed.”
Speaking of Florida: Just read that people who apply or are receiving ‘assistance’ from the state are now required to submit to drug testing and if they refuse or test positive they are disquailified from any further suckling at the public teat.
Now that is a good start.
Next thing you know perspective voters in Florida will be required to produce government issued photo ID’s before they are allowed to cast a ballot.
Yup, we’re wasting millions of dollars to catch a few thousands bucks worth of welfare payments to potheads. Success!
Between this, and her comments on rape and incest abortions Ann Coulter is really starting to annoy me.
We publish information on sex offenders to protect children, so by that logic we should post information on woman who have had abortions because it is child abuse. This potentially serves to protect men from hooking up with women who may kill their child. Those who get abortions are also statistically more likely to abuse their children.
“We publish information on sex offenders to protect children, so by that logic we should post information on woman who have had abortions because it is child abuse. This potentially serves to protect men from hooking up with women who may kill their child. Those who get abortions are also statistically more likely to abuse their children”
That’s terrible logic. The way we protect children from abortion is to work on making abortion illegal/hard to obtain, not weaken medical privacy laws that are there for a very good reason. And I would like to see some hard numbers for women who get abortions abusing their born kids in bigger numbers.
And guys should probably start paying attention who they sleep with if they want to avoid getting someone pregnant who might abort. People might want to, like, talk before they have sex. Or something.
“The way we protect children from abortion is to work on making abortion illegal/hard to obtain, not weaken medical privacy laws that are there for a very good reason. ”
abortion is a medical procedure?
“abortion is a medical procedure”
Of course I don’t consider it a medical procedure, as you know Jasper. It is considered one by law currently and that’s why it’s illegal to pass out info on abortions. I’m not going to agree with weakening medical privacy laws so we can spy on hurting women who went through this. It’s not the right tactic to take in my opinion. It’s worse than useless.
I posted on the FB link of this but I just have to laugh. I know Ann Coulter’s sarcasm and LOVE it. But thinking on the idea of posting the information of a woman that has had an abortion… yeah. I dare them. There are so many more women that are now coming forward saying they’ve regretted their abortion. That just might be the catalyst for some to come out of their proverbial closet, and openly admit it so they can go “And ya know what… it was the WORST decision I’ve ever had to make (forced to or not).” They’ll be able to confront that demon and get help. For the rest of us that have already confronted that demon and have come out from under it… I say “I dare ya. Go ahead and tell everyone. I’ve already beat you to that punch ya morons.” and I will thoroughly enjoy watching as their bubble deflates.
Dirtdartwife,
You’ve got that Ann Coulter spunk! She was merely following Rush’s credo: “illustrating absurdity by being absurd.”
If women knew that the crime of killing their child could be made public, they would be far less likely to have an abortion committed on their unborn child. This would result in fewer deaths.
The truth is that our entire society has a weirdly schizophrenic attitude toward the very idea of privacy. OTOH, our laws protect this supposed right with such vigor that American females have been granted the right to expel embryos and fetuses from their bodies at the cost of the life of the embryo or fetus. OTOH, Americans routinely appear on and watch in massive numbers people talking about the most personal aspects of their lives. It is bizarre that we have so many strict laws protecting privacy when people routinely sacrifice their privacy for 15 minutes of fame. It is also bizarre that pornography is so rampant in this culture. By definition, porn takes “private parts” and private acts and makes them public. The same woman whose privacy is protected by the Supreme Court so she can have an abortion may also sacrifice her privacy for $ by posing nude or engaged in intimacy before a camera.
Having said that, it is true that privacy is at the root of some abortions. People often ask why girls and women don’t just allow the pregnancy to take its course and then place the baby — assuming they don’t want to raise after giving birth which is rare — for adoption. Some answer that they could keep the abortion decision private while carrying to term would make the other decision public.
Dirtdartwife, you might have a point there. Play ’em at their own game.
Once everyone knows what women have had abortions, the women can publish a list of the men who supported/paid for their abortions, were indifferent, and/or coerced them to abort. Get it all out in the open so everyone can see the damage done to all of us, wipe the slate clean, and make abortion illegal.
If it’s OK to publish the names of ‘dead beat dads’ who refuse to pay court ordered child support, then why would it be any less fair to publish the names of women who kill their kids en utero?
I know cause it’s ‘legal’, and it so ‘legal’ that the state , and ‘dead beat dads’, encourages the practice by funding the pregnant woman’s decision to kill her kid and we all know it saves the state and the ‘dead beat dads’ lots of money.
And ‘death panels’ are just the fig newton of conservatives over active imaginations.
Blue Velvet Hmmmm/Megan,
Hi Megs!!
I had wondered where you had gone! A different moniker, the same snarky posts.
So………will you be BVH or Megan???
Pick one.
I thought I’d try out something new ;)
BV’s the name.
That’s weird. Why the attempted secrecy?
Still lovin’ every second of your decision, Megs? The little boy I was pregnant with around the same time you had your child killed in an abortion turns 4 on the 24th of this month. He LOVES the Lego set he got for Christmas, knows how to use his Nintendo DS as well as I do, is teaching himself to read!, and talks about how he is “in love” with everyone. He invents a new dance every day in the kitchen while we make dinner (my favorites are “The Microwave” and the “Chicken Legs”), and his rendition of “I Will Wait” by Mumford And Sons is the cutest thing I’ve ever heard.
Enjoy your private time alone, kiddo.
Hi Jack 10:18am
Apparently professional thieves and burglars are in agreement with you.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/04/ex-burglars-say-newspapers-gun-map-wouldve-made-job-easier-safer/
I’m sure rapists, serial killers, and stalkers would have found it very helpful as well.
The real irony, and typical liberal hypocrisy, of this whole thing is that the paper must now hire armed guards to protect their offices. Apparently guns are fine, when its liberals that are being protected. Just ask gun opponent Rosie O’Donnell, who hires armed guards to protect her family.
Way back before Roe v. Wade, when abortion was illegal in most states, Ms. magazine published a list called “We Have Had Abortions.” Among the women who signed saying they had undergone the then illegal procedure were playwright Lillian Hellman, actress Lee Grant, poet Anne Sexton, historian Barbara Tuchman, writer Anais Nin, tennis player Billie Jean King, and singer Judy Collins.
Hi Denise,
Good point. Also, weren’t there efforts to distribute “I Had An Abortion” teeshirts?
The only person they could find to model it was feminist has-been Gloria Steinem who was obviously ignorant of the fact that women approaching 80y/o look ridiculous in such t-shirts, though not as silly has other feminist has-beens who dress up in ”lady parts” outfits. They actually make Gloria look distinguised.
@Mary: Yes, there were those “I Had An Abortion” t-shirts. At that time, I wasn’t familiar with the “anti-life” connections that adoption has so I wrote an essay published in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution stating that we should have “I Placed a Baby for Adoption” t-shirts and special ceremonies to honor girls and women who place for adoption as heroines.
Now that I know the harm done to babies by severing their links with their birthmothers, I no longer support campaigns to make heroines out of women who give birth and relinquish for adoption but campaigns to ensure that the women who get pregnant will not abort — and are unlikely to place for adoption — because they want to have babies.
Of course, adoption will always exist because women will always die in childbirth or thereafter. In addition, some women will want to have babies and have them but discover after they have given birth that motherhood isn’t right for them at the time and place babies for adoption.
However, I believe abortion will pretty much fade away when pregnancies are wanted by the woman who gets pregnant.
Oh hey Megan, hope you have been well and had a nice holiday season.
Hi X,
Still not interested. At all.
Love,
BV
Aww xalisae, your little boy sounds like a sweetie. *sigh* Brings back fond memories of when my boys were that age. I know this will make me sound old, but truly, they grow up so fast!
Building on my previous point, why is the valuing of privacy so CONFUSED in this society? And confused it most certainly is when it is so protected by the Supreme Court as to permit abortion while people routinely relinquish privacy right and left voluntarily by discussing intimate matters in public and even performing them in public as in the rampant pornography here.
Still not interested. At all.
Well, if you ever want to know the kinds of things your child would be happily doing right now had you let him or her live, I’ll always be around to remind you. I’m not going to let you forget you child. They deserved better than being killed, and they deserve better than being forgotten. I’ll never forget.
Here’s a reminder for her, x:
http://www.jillstanek.com/2012/04/lunch-break-2-year-old-boy-dances-jive/
Xalisae: What about MY child? He — or she — never got past being a gleam in his Daddy’s eye. I told the handsome 24-year-old “no” when he asked for a visit with me when I was 15. A month or so later, he offered me a “ride” and I again said “no.”
My kid never even made it to zygote.
Denise,
Learn some basic science and take some pills to help you with your crazy. You never had a child. Never being pregnant MEANS no child. Your “kid” never even made it to zygote because your “kid” never existed. Stop acting like there’s even a comparison to a VERY REAL, VERY LIVE, VERY LIVING child that a mother PAYS to have killed.
And get over your weird adoption fixation. Get some help. Up your meds, if you need to do so.
And Megan,
I hope your diploma hugs you every night before bed and give you a HUGE kiss and tells you how you’re the best mom in the world. I’m sure mine won’t do that for me once I resume my education this fall, but at least I didn’t have to kill anyone to get it. Turns out you really CAN have the best of both worlds, and you could have, too.
*gives
I miss the “edit” feature. *sigh*
You could please a kid with a bag of Doritos and a video game. Congratulations, you win the game of cheap validation.
Nightnight, time to snuggle with my living room full of cats.
Love,
BV
“ You could please a kid with a bag of Doritos and a video game. Congratulations, you win the game of cheap validation.”
Nah kid are a bit more complicated with that. It’s rewarding though. I’m sure it’s not as rewarding as some cats though. :/
Honestly I don’t care if people want to remain forever childless (as long as they don’t stay childless through killing their fetuses), but there’s no reason to degrade parenthood if it isn’t for you.
“I miss the “edit” feature. *sigh*”
I know, what happened to it? It’s like it’s punishing us for when we used to complain that the edit period expired too soon.
I’m not sure if you actually read all of what I said, but dinner is a lot more than a bag of Doritos. Although, I’m sure your cats don’t know or care what you eat, and would probably eat you too, if you died in your apartment with no one else around.
Also, there is a HUGE difference between tossing video games at your kids and letting the chips fall where they may and playing the games WITH them. But…you’ll never know that. At least not with your first one, eh? My daughter (who in your hands would’ve been killed for being “inconvenient”) beats me at WireWay sometimes, but I still beat Jay every time. Funny, right? Considering he was the “planned”, “wanted” child, and she wasn’t? Weird, how that works, right Megan?!
Man, we childless because “them’s the breaks” really envy you guys. Cats are no substitute. ;(
Hmm, use a semicolon by mistake and don’t skip two places, whatta ya got? A sty in my eye? ;)
xalisae says:
January 6, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Denise,Learn some basic science and take some pills to help you with your crazy. You never had a child. Never being pregnant MEANS no child. Your “kid” never even made it to zygote because your “kid” never existed.
(Denise) My child was the desire inside my would-be seducer. I Just Said No. The seducer never got to first base.
But I’ve often calculated how old my child would be if I had been a more gullible 15-year-old.
My child was the desire inside my would-be seducer. I Just Said No. The seducer never got to first base.
My farts are a rainbow into my heart through the universe. Whee!
xalisae: And get over your weird adoption fixation.
(Denise) I’m not fixated on adoption. Almost everyone seems to recognize that parting with a newborn is emotionally difficult for the birthmother. They recognize this because she is conscious. Since the baby is pre-conscious, they can’t see that the baby also suffers a loss when completely separated from the body in which the baby grew and from which he or she was born. As adoptive mother Nancy Verrier notes in her book, “Primal Wound: Understanding the Adopted Child,” the baby is indeed wounded when parted from the mother who gave birth.
I am not against adoption and realize it is sometimes necessary. Heck, even when it appears to go wrong, there are benefits. Marlene Olive murdered her adoptive parents when she was 15. However, Jim and Naomi enjoyed 15 years of joy and pleasure that they wouldn’t have had if they had not adopted her. A short interesting life is arguably better than a long boring one.
Adoption is less than optimal. Abortion is less than optimal times 87.7 trillion. Time to move on to other ideas.
Hans Johnson says:
January 7, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Adoption is less than optimal. Abortion is less than optimal times 87.7 trillion. Time to move on to other ideas.
(Denise) What is optimal? Women who yearn for babies should be the ones getting pregnant. They are apt to take good care of themselves while pregnant and look forward to having their babies.
X:
I.Do.Not.Care.
XO,
BV
Obviously.
Farts and rainbows.
My LOLs came late in the day today!
Thanks, X.
I’ve decided that whenever Denise gets off on one of her insanely wild tangents and says something ludicrous, I’m going to counter it with an even more zany non sequitur. :P
xalisae says:
January 8, 2013 at 9:28 am
I’ve decided that whenever Denise gets off on one of her insanely wild tangents and says something ludicrous, I’m going to counter it with an even more zany non sequitur.
(Denise) There’s nothing insanely wild about realizing that, if I had accepted that man’s offer of a “visit” or a “ride,” I would probably have gotten pregnant at age 15. My child, had he or she lived, would be 40 years old today. However, if the baby had been a boy, I think it’s quite likely he would have been dead through execution or some other foul means because the circumstances surrounding his birth would have been conducive to creating a psychopath. He would have been born to a disturbed and impoverished 15-year-old girl who had been seduced and abandoned by an adult criminal.
I guess the “sanity” of dwelling on things that never flipping happened and bringing it up in the midst of a conversation about someone else who actually lived and was killed are just part of what make you the special little snowflake you are, Denise.