Stanek weekend question: Your thoughts on Obama’s speech to Planned Parenthood?
Yesterday President Barack Obama made history, becoming the first sitting president to address a Planned Parenthood event.
President and CEO of PP Cecile Richards introduced Obama. If you would like to skip her intro and jump directly to Obama’s speech, go to 6:20 on the video.
There were many take-aways.
For instance, the word “abortion” was never mentioned, only the “right to choose.” And at the end of his speech President Obama asked God’s blessing on this, the United States’ largest abortion provider, which murders 350,000 babies every year.
What were other points of interest did you note in either Obama or Richards’ speech?
Apr.27, 2013 7:23 am |
Weekend question |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I thought I have seen it all until this. Asking God to bless those that are killing innocent babies in the womb. Sorry God will not bless murder, he can & will, if asked, forgive but not bless
Diane – I’ve seen the NRA get the similar blessing. I wouldn’t be too shocked.
Planned parenthood related spending was $15 million in the last election, so they get protection and got a nice speech. Look at almost any political position and you can figure out why the politician holds that view through looking at who gives them money.
I almost wish that politicians just called it what it was:
– Wanted – $10 million supporter – will get full protection from the government and will get speeches at your organization. Apply within.
Diane – I’ve seen the NRA get the similar blessing. I wouldn’t be too shocked.
Really? Comparing the NRA to the largest child killing conglomerate in the country? Uh, no.
@ex-gop, comparing the NRA to pp is wrong. The NRA does not kill babies! It also does not harm women, it empowers them. There is no sin in protecting yourself. GOD BLESS THE NRA!
And once again, Ex shows up to give his boy Obama a pass.
The fact that he draws a comparison between PP and the NRA only solidifies his wetnoodleness. Grow a pair, Ex.
A right winger will see planned parenthood as an organization that kills babies, and the NRA as an organization that supports constitutional rights, and if those rights end up in an increased body count, it is just unfortunate.
A left winger will see the NRA as an organization that kills people, and Planned Parenthood as an organization that meets the health care needs of women, and if those needs end up in an increased body count, so be it.
I think both organizations are problems quite frankly.
I’m just saying, don’t get on your high and mighty horse about how bad Planned Parenthood is while supporting an organization whose main goal is to make sure people can get as dangerous of weapons as they can, with as little regulatory oversight as they can.
Both organizations kill people. If you give a free pass to one, you have no moral leg to stand on with the other.
None.
I’m inclined to give our boy from LaCrosse a pass on this one.
It is true that the NRA members do not kill nor advocate for killing, nor do they suck up a half-billion dollars of taxpayer money each year — all of it borrowed from a deficit that our children will have to repay. In no way does the NRA belong in the same breath with Planned Parenthood.
All the same, the NRA are a bunch of fanatics. It’s okay for reasonable Christians to cringe a bit at calling down God’s blessing upon a group that is devoted to weapon-holding for it’s own sake. It’s not like the NRA are Crusaders, likely to offer their own lives for the protection of Christendom.
But if I am tempted to cringe a bit at some blessing toward the NRA, I find myself wailing and grinding my teeth at the Name of God crossing the lips of Obama in a blasphemous blessing of Planned Parenthood. I see a vivid image of Baal and Molech mockinging the LORD of the Israel.
I would love for Obama to explain how PP is following God’s plan in order to gain His blessing. How in the world would anyone think that killing a child that He “knits together” in the womb (Psalm 139:13) would ever be part of God’s plan??? First we’d have to inject him with some sort of truth serum if there is such a thing.
Ex your harping on the NRA is about as intelligent as Joan, CC, “R”, or Merit on how “killing children has always happened and will always happen so why not keep it legal”.
Try making a pro-life instead of a party-line comment once in a while.
“All the same, the NRA are a bunch of fanatics.”
I guess I’m a fanatic then Del * eye roll *
So. Hmm. I’m a fanantic when I take the constitution at face value and insist upon our country fulfilling what it promised.
BIG eyeroll. Whatevs, as my teemeagers like to say.
“Both organizations kill people. If you give a free pass to one, you have no moral leg to stand on with the other.
None”
Yet again you are wrong. You need to educate yourself before you start spouting nonsense like this. You obviously don’t hunt, don’t live in a dangerous neighborhood, and never had someone come after you. You have no “leg” to stand on (and are about as vanilla-yuppie as they come aren’t you?)
Courtney said to grow a pair, I say gain some common sense outside of your little white collar box of a world. (It’s helpful to not come to a conclusion about something from liberal media too btw. Talk to some of us “fanatics” that own guns some time, surely you can find one or two in WI…)
Some more advice from a wife and mother: get off of here (and the hundreds of other sites I’m sure you are following) and spend some time with your family, you put too much stock in “educating” us poor dumb conservatives.
Thanks Del.
I’m not giving Obama a free pass here – I think the unholy union with Planned Parenthood is an evil thing – that they are an evil organization – and it is all about money.
I think the exact same thing about the NRA though.
So those who see the NRA as a good organization, don’t be shocked that others see Planned Parenthood as a good organization. Your logic is the same.
I don’t mean any offense, Jamie.
Perhaps I should have said “devoted fans” rather than “fanatics.” Perhaps that would soften it a bit.
To most of the world, pro-life activists and gun-rights activists are both “fanatics.” We’re made of the same stuff.
I’m willing to suffer with this public impression while on the sidewalks of the abortion industry…. where people are rude and hateful and fearful of us who pray with our rosaries drawn for battle. The world thinks we are violent — even though we are there to love and to help women and save lives.
The NRA suffers the same reputation. Liberals like Ex-GOP think that the NRA actually encourage killing people. And reasonable folks (as I fancy myself to be) who are naturally afraid of people with weapons are just a little frightened by the NRA’s devotion to weapons.
The Obama PP speech will one day go the way of the historical pro-slavery speeches. People will be aghast at how dumb we were and how barbaric our “leader” was:
http://www1.assumption.edu/users/lknoles/douglassproslaveryargs.html
for it’s own sake. ???
You mean because I am a responsible Catholic and have the right to own a gun for hunting and/or protection?
It’s not like the NRA are Crusaders, likely to offer their own lives for the protection of Christendom
If push comes to shove, I know I’d rather have NRA members on my side than not. You can have the Christians like ExGOP and joan on your side, Del. You know, the reasonable Christians.
NRA members are devoted to freedom.
Prax -
No reason to get all huffy at Del – I thought his post was very reasonable.
And nobody is saying a thing about hunting and protection. You know that the nobody is working to take those rights away, unless you are hoping to buy an automatic weapon at a gun show without a check, buy the biggest magazine possible, and then go shoot deer.
Be reasonable in the conversation please.
And again (and I’m leaving the house for quite a while now, so I won’t have another response for quite a while, if at all) – I simply happen to have a lot of friends who are both Democrats and Republicans – and the same view you folks have for Planned Parenthood is held by the other side for the NRA. I think anybody who is disgusted with one, but supports the other, has simply been blinded by political devotion above and beyond devotion to the teachings I find in my Bible.
That’s all I’m saying. Stopped being so shocked if you’re able to support the NRA. Same thing.
How IRONIC that a (HALF) Black president would be giving a speech for PLANNED PARENTHOOD…! The very organization that was FOUNDED BY A RACIST. If Margaret Sanger had her way, Obama would never have been born!
If “ignorance is bliss”, Obama is surely one of the happiest people on the planet.
SMH.
Would abortion have been legalized if enough had been done to prevent girls and women from getting pregnant who weren’t prepared to have babies?
We need to remember the “Baby Scoop” as well as the back alleys. Almost all adoptions were closed. Unwed pregnant women were routinely stigmatized and discriminated against. There were many other wrong things going on. Failure to adequately address them led to legal abortion.
I have to laugh about his comment that pro-lifers want to bring us back to the 50’s…Hello, doesn’t everyone in America want to bring us back there? Women now use cloth diapers for their babies (like in the 50’s) Liberals are hanging their clothes on drying racks or outside, (like in the 50’s) Everyone wants a chemical free life (like in the 50’s) Liberal feminist activist moms are staying home w/ their kids, in record numbers (like in the 50’s) and the whole fashion world and design world is obsessed w/ RETRO which was in the horrible 50’s and 60’s when, yes we didn’t have a mob run planned parenthood slaughtering babies & our tax dollars subsidizing them…Yes, God please, bring us all back to the 50’s…
I have neither love nor hatred for the NRA. I am quite neutral toward them. I don’t fear them, and I am not drawn to them. It think the NRA are generally a benevolent organization who are concerned for the welfare of our nation.
I think the liberal/progressives are bat-belfry crazy for insisting that the NRA is a killing organization while supporting Planned Parenthood as a “life-saving” treasure.
And I think the NRA is misguided in placing so much trust, money, time and enthusiasm toward holding weapons as the way to protect America, meanwhile the abortion industry is killing thousands of our children each and every day.
I look at it this way: Our Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. But our Constitution does not guarantee the right to life. This is an acute failing of our Constitution, and we should be working a lot more to correct this failure and a bit less at protecting extreme interpretations of the 2nd Amendment.
Meanwhile, Obama is blaspheming God — asking for blessings upon his industrial-scale sacrifices to Molech — and no one is making reparations to God for this. This is a time for “sackcloth and ashes,” and yet we are squabbling about gun enthusiasms (as if this mattered).
So, I am sorry for entering into the gun-discussion thingy. And I am very acutely fearful for our nation and our culture, especially in the light of Obama’s blasphemy.
For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world….
No reason to get all huffy at Del
I’ll get huffy at who I want about what I want.
Stopped being so shocked if you’re able to support the NRA.
I’ll be shocked if I want to.
It think the NRA are generally a benevolent organization who are concerned for the welfare of our nation.
This is not how you originally came off.
Yes, God please, bring us all back to the 50?s…
Hear, hear!
I’d like to be able to watch his speech and comment intelligently on what I hear, but no. I just can’t do it. This makes me sad because I have respect for the office of President, but I avoid watching him speak if at all possible. I just can’t stomach it. Call me a right-wing lunatic or a religious fanatic or whatever, I don’t care. Deep in my gut I know evil when I see it and I find watching him abhorrent. It goes way beyond his objectionable politics. Lord, have mercy.
Mary Helene, I was in a room with less than a dozen twenty-somethings the other day, and no less than three of them were wearing the same style of glasses as my fourth grade math teacher. I see more ‘hipster’ clothes today than ever. Seventeen year old boys who don’t know his name look just like Buddy Holly. Yes, Barry Dunham, abandoned son of of a not-really-married-also-abandoned-you-mom who has parental issues so his love of PP is no Freudian mystery, lots of people like things about the 50’s.
And God bless the NRA!
ninek,
It’s SOOOOO true…Everything 50’s is hip again and so is the pro-life movement!
Del is absolutely right. Even if you accept the contention that the NRA and Planned Parenthood are both harmful (as Ex-GOP does), they still don’t belong in the same category. It would be like comparing an organization that pushes for higher speed limits in school zones (for some alleged societal benefit, like reduced congestion or fewer car accidents overall) with an organization that kills disabled children for medical research.
Ex-RINO,
How many people has the NRA killed?How many has Planned Parenthood killed?
Guns don’t kill, people do.
A woman appeared on the TV dating show “Baggage” and showed a bag that stated, “I Want to be a 1950s-style Housewife.”
Another appeared on the show with a bag stating, “I Want to be a Peg Bundy-style Housewife.”
I think one reason “Married . . . With Children” was so popular and long-lived was that Peg Bundy was such a refreshing change from the multi-tasking superwoman so in vogue. She didn’t want a job outside the home — and didn’t spend a lot of time working in it. Order in for meals and let the housework slide while watching Dr. Phil and Oprah — wonderful! I could really identify with her.
Of course, “women’s libbers” might see Peg Bundy as “oppressed.” What is oppressive about having the freedom to eat bon-bons and watch your favorite TV shows? Hooray Peg Bundy!
“If push comes to shove, I know I’d rather have NRA members on my side than not. You can have the Christians like ExGOP and joan on your side, Del. You know, the reasonable Christians.”
Your “side” for what? A friendly game of pickup basketball? Somehow I’m guessing you have something darker and more violent in mind. What is it with conservatives and their gun fetishism? It’s like they just sit around, twiddling their thumbs and impatiently waiting for the day when they’ll be able to live out their Red Dawn fantasies in a blaze of red-white-and-blue glory. Talk about pathetic. I’ve known teenagers who spend their days shooting each other in a video game who are more grounded in reality than many “adult” conservatives.
What is really sad is I make a comment and then another comment changes the whole dialog from what Obama said (God bless you) to Planned Parenthood who is fine with killing the unborn to a discussion/defense of the NRA.
People PLEASE stop letting others take us off our subject when we are in the RIGHT here.
When we are right we set the dialog rules. When we answer others we are no longer in control of the subject, to get our voice out we must stay on message.
One who has any sort of understanding of God can not ask God to bless evil, period. It is wrong. God will not be mocked. God is a loving God that forgives those that ask, but he must be asked!!! We all have sinned and but for the grace of God deserve to reap the reward of what we have sown.
God Bless prolife NRA members who didn’t vote for Obama.
Every day, stories of lives saved by PP…………
…….and untold stories of lives taken.
Breaks my heart to hear the cheering and applauding of evil.
Del, you stareted your comment with:
“I’m inclined to give our boy from LaCrosse a pass on this one.”
And then you ended it with; ” I see a vivid image of Baal and Molech mockinging the LORD of the Israel.”
Guess which part I ‘liked’? And how do the two manage to exist together inside the same head?
truth -
Neither the NRA nor Planned Parenthood have killed people – but both support legislation, hire people, and empower people to kill others in the name of freedom.
Yes, guns don’t kill people. People kill people. That implies that you shouldn’t do anything about guns because evil people will find a way anyways. Do you believe that about abortion? I don’t. You seem to be making an argument that it doesn’t make sense to regulate at all because people will find a way around it. Foolish.
Good article from a good publication about Christians and gun control.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2013/january/why-all-christians-can-back-better-gun-control.html?paging=off
It’s possible to own guns, think that gun ownership is a constitutional right, and still believe that reasonable restrictions could be helpful. And it’s certainly possible to be a gun owner and dislike the NRA. And disliking the NRA doesn’t mean you’re anti-Second Amendment.
Ex:
Neither the NRA nor Planned Parenthood have killed people
Well, you are half right. PP is proud that they are the largest abortion provider in America. Unborn babies are people and last year alone they killed well over 300,000 little babies in their vast network of abortion mills. Tell me, how many people are killed at NRA facilities?
Now you’ve lost me, Ex-G. Planned Parenthood kills about a thousand children every day. They advertise and operate in the only legalized killing industry since the the Nazi Final Solution went out of business. (Oops — I almost forgot the ‘Assisted Suicide’ industry that is burgeoning in some states and countries)
Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry kills people, directly and on purpose. That sets them apart from the rest of the universe. Planned Parenthood is similar to mobster hit men, sellers of suicide kits, and presidents with assassin drone programs. These actually desire the death of particular human persons….. they can name and/or point at the human persons whom they will kill (without any due process of law). They look upon the bodies of those whom they kill. They kill for hire.
Planned Parenthood is not comparable with tobacco growers, gun enthusiasts, or even presidents who order military actions. These do not desire the deaths of any particular persons. They do not get paid or take credit for the deaths of any persons. They do not wish for death at all…. and if there is any human death associated with their activities, they express remorse and beg for God’s mercy.
They do not ask God to bless their enthusiasm for more killing.
Blasphemy is a word that I often go years without saying. I have had to use it several times today. The retribution that is going to befall our nation is going to make it look like Hitler got off easy.
Obama’s performance at PP shows once again his true passion for abortion rights. This is the thing that moves Obama more than anything. Anytime he appears before a PP gathering it is a real lovefest.
We saw Obama’s abortion extremism here in Illinois, a fact that Jill has thoroughly documented. We saw him lie about his rejection of BAIPA and try to turn it against prolifers such as Jill by calling them out at liars. It is interesting that he just called those who voted against gun control legislation “liars” as well. The pattern here is that when he is backed into a corner or does not get his way he simply lashes out in a childish and classless manner.
Del/Jerry –
I’m comparing the argument to truth’s statement (that shows up on websites everywhere) that ‘guns don’t kill people, people kill people’.
Using that logic, you could really never argue at all about organizations, businesses, or leaders killing people.
Planned Parenthood and the NRA most certainly have policies in place and support industries and make decisions that lead to the death of others.
truth is trying to win cheap points with an old cliche that doesn’t pan out. The NRA doesn’t directly kill people, but as a result of their policies they support, people die.
Planned Parenthood is closer to the actual decision of death – but I’m not giving either one a free pass because of proximity.
Again, I didn’t mean to say they weren’t killing people – I’m saying, using the logic that things (guns, organizations, whatever) can’t kill people – that is ONLY fits on the shoulders of the person who does the killing – I find that foolish.
A gun is a weapon. It only kills when a person uses it to kill.
“Organizations, businesses and leaders” are people. If they kill, then they are killers — if they kill with intention, then they are murderers — and doesn’t matter what weapons they use. Doesn’t matter if the killing is legal or illegal.
You are missing a critical data point: No one knows for sure whether the policies of the NRA cause more people to die, or the disarming of law-abiding citizens will cause more people to die. You cannot state with any confidence that NRA policies lead to deaths. That is why talking about the NRA is mute to this discussion of abortion killing.
I strongly doubt that gun-control laws will reduce the number of gun-related killing in America. There are states and counties with strict gun-control laws — what is their experience? If any data were favorable available, I’m sure the Obama-friendly media would have broadcast it by now.
There is also the matter of scale. I don’t know how many criminal and accidental gun-related deaths happen in America each year, but I’ll bet that it is less than the number of legal and intentional abortion killings each week. For this, I call a pox upon both their houses — upon the liberals, who use gun control as a distraction from infanticide; and upon the gun enthusiasts who care more about saving our weapons than about saving our children.
truthseeker says:
April 27, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Del, you stareted your comment with:“I’m inclined to give our boy from LaCrosse a pass on this one.”And then you ended it with; ” I see a vivid image of Baal and Molech mockinging the LORD of the Israel.”Guess which part I ‘liked’? And how do the two manage to exist together inside the same head?
I’ll give you a short answer, truthseeker: It seemed to Ex-GOP that “God bless the NRA” and “God bless Planned Parenthood” were both disturbing things to say. I was willing to agree with that much.
I went on to explain that the NRA are good people with misplaced enthusiasms…. while the Planned Parenthood version was outrageously and intentionally blasphemous.
Notice how a discussion of the President’s speech to Planned Parenthood became diverted into a discussion of the relative value of member in the NRA? Don’t fall prey to diversionary tactics. Discuss the issue at hand!
As a Prolife Advocate, I am filled with resentment at Obama’s Planned Parenthood speech:
I resent being framed by President Obama as an enemy of our nation. This isn’t the first time that people like me have been painted with broad strokes of condemnation for adhering to uncompromisable moral principles. Undoubtedly, it will not be the last time.
I resent the LIE being propagated with the authority of the Presidency, yet again, that Planned Parenthood is a necessary source of primary healthcare. Planned Parenthood provides limited-scope medical practice, not family practice medicine.
I resent representation of Planned Parenthood as a world-class philanthropic organization, rather than a for-profit corporation. If prolife pregnancy clinics made money, political donations or public appearances in the same manner as Planned Parenthood, their 501(c)3 status would be revoked.
I resent the President Obama does not accurately represent the heart of the American citizenry. His perverse assumption that the majority of citizens support his view of the abortion industry has been refuted in poll after poll. He refuses to represent data that contradicts his narrow world view.
Finally, I resent that our President invokes God’s blessing upon the ungodly act of abortion and those who perform it. Whether a person calls abortion “pro-choice” or “a legal medical option” the intended result of the procedure is the death of an innocent.
Beautifully stated, Michelle Stewart.
Del -
The only countries with higher gun violence rates than ours are drug countries and countries with even more guns. When you compare us to similar industrialized countries, they have more regulation, we have more deaths. There’s no denying it. I can present numbers if you want, but I trust you can find them yourself.
Plain and simple, we have a poorly regulated system, and people die from it. Very clear.
Not much more to say about it all – I’ve stated my opinion on both groups, and I hope people understand why lefties see hypocricy in righties, and vice versa.
Michelle says:
Notice how a discussion of the President’s speech to Planned Parenthood became diverted into a discussion of the relative value of member in the NRA? Don’t fall prey to diversionary tactics. Discuss the issue at hand!
I noticed that as well and totally agree. Here is the thing: certain people here frequently try to change the subject when what they see does not favor their liberal bias. You know it, I know it, and most of our regular contributors know it.
Nonetheless we are always ready to engage because even though there is small-mindedness on the part of our trolls and some others we do try our best to honor the spirit of open dialog unless something is so blatantly ridiculous that we skim right over it.
“…nor Planned Parenthood have killed people –”
So there you have it, ex-gop’s street cred as an abortion advocate. He claimed once or twice to actually be pro-life, but no one has ever been fooled. He’s never typed a pro-life comment that I’ve ever seen, and I’ve read a lot. But he does leap in to defend this most pro-abortion of presidents. That, and the belief that pre-born human beings are not people makes ex-gop as pro-choice as cc, megan, jake, merit, and all the other abortion advocates that comment here on a regular basis. Ex, maybe in the future, you could see your way to a little honesty and spare us the insult upon our intellect that is your false claim to be pro-life. Kthnks.
Jerry – I thought the conversation stayed pretty close to on topic – I talked about Planned Parenthood in just about every post I made.
I’m simply trying to help people understand that while you (most conservatives) get all fired up about the President invoking God in a speech about planned parenthood, there are plenty others that see the exact same think when people invoke the God and the NRA in the same sentence.
Christ was the prince of peace, and said we needed to fear nothing and pull all trust in him. So when a mother thinks that the only way out is killing her unborn baby, she’s not trusting God and has sinned. And when a person thinks that their protection and power comes through a weapon, and only the biggest, most dangerous weapon out there they can find, they win. And planned parenthood and the NRA are fighting for those sins.
I’ll only reply on this thread now when specifically mentioned, or very clearly being spoken about (like in your 9:01 post).
ninek -
I explained further in my post at 6:04. I was simply taking the argument presented by truth, that only people can kill people, and extending that out. You’ll see, very clearly, in multiple posts later, that I truly think that planned parenthood and the nra support the killing of others.
Gosh, in all the commenting hubbub, I forgot to agree with Barry: Planned Parenthood is indeed not going anywhere, in fact, I think we all agree they’re on the road to nowhere. ;>)
Support? Ex, you know full well that their drains run with blood. But thanks for not denying you’re pro-abortion. I might even respect you if you were honest.
” Christ was the prince of peace, and said we needed to fear nothing and pull all trust in him. So when a mother thinks that the only way out is killing her unborn baby, she’s not trusting God and has sinned. And when a person thinks that their protection and power comes through a weapon, and only the biggest, most dangerous weapon out there they can find, they win. And planned parenthood and the NRA are fighting for those sins.”
So would it be not sinful, in your interpretation, to own a weapon for protection as long as you don’t fetishize and idolize it? I think you’re taking the extreme view here (most gun owners and even NRA members aren’t the crazies who own huge assault rifles). I do agree that I think the NRA is wrong and contributing to the weird gun worship culture that goes on, but I don’t think they are on par with Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood actively provides facilities, doctors, and other things to carry out the killings. The NRA may have a problem with extremism, but I would think most of them aren’t pro-killing innocent people, and they don’t set up shops to allow people to be killed.
Jack – no, I don’t think the average gun owner is sinful.
A gun owner that idolizes their gun, or puts their trust and protection, or glorifies violence – I think that is definitely a sinful problem.
ninek – you can believe what you want to believe – I’ve had several, pretty clear posts on how I feel about the subject. Take things out of context as you’d like.
And I don’t think gun ownership or pro-gun rights is necessarily a right wing view, no more than abortion is necessarily a left wing view (there’s heavy overlap, but you get big minorities like libertarians who are pro-legal abortion but also pro-gun rights).
Have you ever met an abortion you didn’t condone? Oh, yes, there are plenty of Christians who do have pro-choice views, some even think God will forgive them for their sinful abortions, so if you think invoking sin is going to impress me, you’re wrong again. Have you ever donated to a pregnancy resource center? Why don’t you support the defunding of Planned Parenthood?
“Jack – no, I don’t think the average gun owner is sinful. A gun owner that idolizes their gun, or puts their trust and protection, or glorifies violence – I think that is definitely a sinful problem. ”
Well, I think that’s a valid way of looking at it I suppose. I think it’s creepy how people idolize guns sometimes. I’ve owned guns my entire life, I could shoot way before I learned how to drive, but I just see them as a tool. I don’t understand the view that some people seem to see them as a shining beacon of freedom and protection. You’re far more likely to commit suicide with your weapon than you are to kill an intruder, that’s just statistics. And I think people emphasize the right to own guns over the importance of gun safety, which is dangerous in my opinion.
“Oh, yes, there are plenty of Christians who do have pro-choice views, some even think God will forgive them for their sinful abortions, so if you think invoking sin is going to impress me, you’re wrong again.”
I thought God forgives all sins?
Ex, I don’t think your analogy between PP and the NRA is valid, for reasons I stated before.
Jack –
That’s fair. I even agree it isn’t a total equal sign. I just think there’s an evilness that exists in both organization, and since people on this board get completely shocked when PP and God get mentioned in the same speech, I thought it was worth mentioning that the shock also exists the other way.
There is no evidence that God forgives the unrepentant. God may. But I’m not God. I’m not impressed with Christian abortion advocates.
“There is no evidence that God forgives the unrepentant. God may. But I’m not God. I’m not impressed with Christian abortion advocates.”
Oh, I misunderstood you, I didn’t know you were talking about unrepentant sinners. My mistake. I was just like “um I thought there weren’t any unforgivable sins”.
” That’s fair. I even agree it isn’t a total equal sign. I just think there’s an evilness that exists in both organization, and since people on this board get completely shocked when PP and God get mentioned in the same speech, I thought it was worth mentioning that the shock also exists the other way. ”
Yeah I can see that, at least. I just think that the level of harm caused by PP and the NRA, and the actual involvement they have in the deaths is on such a different scale that it doesn’t even make sense to compare them. There’s some thousands gun deaths a year in the US, while there’s over a million abortions and 25% are done at PP clinics. I do get the point you were trying to make though.
Even Joseph Stalin’s sins couldn’t separate him from the love and forgiveness of God, but, in the teaching of my church, turning away from God by your own act of will can separate you from God. So, Stalin would have to repent, at least a smidgen. The size of the sin isn’t the barrier; the aversion of the sinner is.
I think a lot of Christians make the mistake of thinking that they’re views coincide with God’s if they believe in God. Take those nutters that protest funerals: I bet some of them actually believe that God agrees with them. Please. God doesn’t create what he hates. God loves abortion advocates because every human is his little lost lamb, but according to my belief, God wants them to choose life, and love him back.
I am still listening, but I am struck by a few things. One is Cecile Richard’s comments about Planned Parenthood cancer screenings- I wonder whether or not that young woman followed her statement up with, “I also heard that I can get a mammogram here?”
Another, some of Obama’s statements, that Planned Parenthood has always been guided by one base principle. What is that, really, Barry? “If you aren’t a member of the elite, we don’t want you.”
Thanks to Planned Parenthood, women receive counseling services? In my experience, and I have experienced proof of pregnancy at Planned Parenthood, their interest ended where their paychecks did. They were all sorts of interested in ‘counseling’ me until they came to the understanding that I wasn’t going to abort. Then their interest was in getting me out the door quickly.
How well do you think Planned Parenthood would do if all the women they harmed screamed out against them at the same time? Yeah, I’d love to see more women talk about the quality of care and services they got at Planned Parenthood.
I also notice how immature he acts, for a President. Hey, Obama, you are the leader of the free world, not freaking Tom Cruise. Quit acting like a celebrity and start showing some decorum.
“The size of the sin isn’t the barrier; the aversion of the sinner is.”
Ninek,
This is a really poignant way of expressing this concept. Love it.
I have a really hard time watching our President. I loathe everything he represents, which is sad. I was going to give it my best shot but MaryRose’s comment about his lack of decorum convinced me that I would only get depressed or upset if I did.
I need to be careful here but the fact that the American people voted someone so utterly devoid of moral character to lead our country for a second term speaks volumes about the pathetic moral condition of our nation.
May God bring correction, brokenness and a spirit of repentance to our land.
Amen Ed H
I’m with you, Lrning – I can’t bring myself to listen to him. Not only does he make me dumber each time I overhear words coming out of his mouth, but it is actually not good for my health and outlook.
If it is any consolation Lifejoy and Lrning. The more they come in the light the more they expose themselves.
And yet tomorrow people like Ex-RINO will still go to blogs spewing bold-faced lies like Obama’s appointment of pro-death federal judges makes no difference in the fight to save unborn babies lives and telling people that Obama as president has made no real difference to the abortion industry. How can a guy like Ex-RINO talk such bs and still have any credibility with anybody who is pro-life?
Cecil Richards is the ideal Nazi – (femi – nazi), tricking women into killing their babies, (choice), while also creating women more prone to suicide and cancer, and successfully brainwashing millions into thinking that is what they should see as health.
Pro-choicers in Ireland are repeating this outrageous lie, saying abortion is suicide prevention. Statistics PROVE – Abortion access increases the female suicide rate – because of P.A.S..
Richards brainwashed millions and millions into thinking planned parenthood gives mammograms.
I don’t understand how she can say a woman got a breast exam at Planned Parenthood WHEN THEY DO NOT GIVE MAMMOGRAMS!!!!!!!!!!! That is Illegal – it is FALSE ADVERTISING, and IT IS PERJURY IF SPOKEN UNDER OATH – could some one please explain it to me, is there one Planned Parenthood out there that actually does do mammograms????!>!>! how can she say it if it’s such a complete fallacy? I know Nazi’s are famous for lying, but Geese, I mean, this is still America, I mean, there has to be some vestige of the truth in that. And there’s just NOT> Right?
That broke my heart. It is sickening. You can’t ask God to bless an organization who kills babies.
CityofAngels,
The young woman probably received a physical breast exam. As in, the clinic worker felt her breasts for lumps and then referred her to a mammogram. Or told her to get one, anyway. It’s not an actual lie, although she has told the lie that PP provides mammograms before, but it is certainly deceitful.
PP does PAP smears to screen for cervical cancer. This is an important bit of healthcare for women.
We wish that this were more than just a trivial part of PP’s business, but it is what they post most prominently on their “storefront.”
Ex-GOP – when has a sitting president ever said “God bless the NRA”? I haven’t been able to find a citation. Could you provide one, please?
My husband is a member of the NRA and he has never once killed anyone. He enjoys target shooting, and occasionally he’ll go hunting with his dad.
JoAnna – I haven’t looked -not sure if a sitting president has ever said that.
Congrats to your husband. Everybody I personally know have refrained from shooting people as well, which is a good thing.
Ex-RINO,
Anybody you know personally who had ever used a gun to defend themselves? The reason I ask is that if somebody were to give you the benefit of the doubt and speak to you like you are an honest person then I am guessing your answer would be NO and that is why you only see guns as bad and don’t see a need for anybody to have a gun to protect themselves.
The short answer is no.
But I’ll also point out that in no way, anywhere on this thread, have I said that I’m against gun ownership for hunting or defense.
“in no way, anywhere on this thread, have I said that I’m against gun ownership for hunting or defense. ”
Neither is the NRA
EX-GOP, I’m confused. Above, you said, “I’ve seen the NRA get the similar blessing.”
But now you say, “not sure if a sitting president has ever said that.”
Why did you make that assertion in your first comment if it wasn’t true?
Joanna –
I’ve simply seen the NRA and Christianity linked, much like what Obama did. I’ve seen Christian conferences with NRA workshops at them. The conversation has centered around the linkage of Christianity and political organizations – which is what I’ve been referring to.
That’s some impressive backpedaling, ex-GOP. You must be tired. As “linked” as the NRA is to Christianity in your mind (perhaps because Christians are more committed to preserving our country’s freedoms, such as the 2nd amendment, as opposed to taking them away, as many non-Christian liberals want to do), the fact is that no sitting president has ever called upon God to bless the NRA (unlike PP).
Planned Parenthood is an organization committed to perpetuating the killing of innocent children. Out of curiosity, do you think God would want to bless it?
Where is the backpedaling? The whole conversation has clearly been regarding if either organization should be linked to Christian virtues at all. If you want to narrow it down to simply Presidential blessings, that is your right. Again, many people have had a conversation regarding it and seemed to understand the debate wasn’t narrowed down to such a small scope.
You might serve the constitution over God – I don’t. I have little concern for the consitution if I feel that it flies in the face of what Christ would want.
I made it very clear in numerous postings earlier how I feel about planned parenthood. They are all in this thread – take a read through them and then let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks -
Courtnay,
And once again, Ex shows up to give his boy Obama a pass.
The fact that he draws a comparison between PP and the NRA only solidifies his wetnoodleness. Grow a pair, Ex.
Best. Non-sequitur. Description. Evah!