Pelosi “laughs off” priest’s open letter against her abortion views
My faith is very deep and has been my whole life. I love my faith and my faith has nothing to do with whoever he [Father Frank Pavone] is. The arrogance of it all! It’s like something ancient, medieval….
The Church taught me as I was growing up that every person has a free will and has the responsibility to live up to a moral standard. And I respect women’s judgment and values to do that. Whether this priest thinks his judgment should be another woman’s judgment is absolutely ridiculous to me. But nonetheless it’s what they say.
I grant the Church where they are on abortion. That’s where they are, that’s where they have to be. But my faith isn’t about what their position is.
My faith is about, Christ is my savior, the church is his church, and has nothing to do with Priests for Life….
I wouldn’t even dignify whatever it is they said. It was a highly emotional statement that they made. If it were more intellectual I might have paid attention to it. He was acting hysterically.
~ House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi “laughs off” Fr. Frank Pavone’s open letter denouncing her for calling abortion “sacred ground,” as quoted by ThinkProgress.org, June 24
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What odd circular logic? She tries to use what her church(Catholic) taught her to oppose what her church teaches. And has the nerve to criticize priests for supporting what her church teaches while she admits her beliefs about abortion are at odds with her church’s beliefs.
I’m not sure if I agree to a T with everything little thing my church (Baptist) teaches, but I sure agree with all the major things. And abortion is a major thing.
Thanks Fr. Pavone, I think this women may be too far gone…
Hey, Pelosi got what she asked for when she voluntarily brought religion into the discussion. Which is strange, because that’s what we’re always accused of doing even when the arguments are entirely secular. Stay out of the kitchen if you can’t handle the heat.
I see she still hasn’t answered the question either…
She responds as if she is an authority figure (concerning her denomination) :”
“I grant the Church…”
Didn’t she treat her spiritual leader (the past Pope) as if she were an equal (or superior) authority???
so sad…
On that Day, she will stand in judgement before the Almighty, and will seek to look into His eyes, and he will say to her – don’t look at my eyes – look into theirs, those you condemned. If the light of your eyes is the darkness within you – that is darkness indeed!
Mt 7:21-23
Ms. Pelosi has not her own soul to worry about but also those of the many she will knowingly lead astray because of her arrogance and pride.
Spirit of our God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Most Holy Trinity, descend upon Nancy Pelosi. Please purify her, mold her, fill her with yourself, and use her. Banish all the forces of evil from her; destroy them, vanquish them so that she can be healthy and do good deeds.
Banish from her all spells, witchcraft, black magic, demonic assignments, malefice, maledictions and the evil eye; diabolic infestations, oppressions, possessions; all that is evil and sinful; jealousy, treachery, envy; all physical, psychological, moral, spiritual and diabolical ailments; as well as all enticing spirits, deaf, dumb, blind, mute and sleeping spirits, new-age spirits, occult spirits, religious spirits, antichrist spirits, and any other spirits of death and darkness.
I command and bid all the powers who molest her —by the power of God Almighty, in the name of Jesus Christ our Savior—to leave her forever, and to be consigned into the everlasting lake of fire, that they may never again touch her or any other creature in the entire world. Amen.
“I grant the Church where they are on abortion.”
“they”? I thought she considered herself a member of the Church, whereas the correct pronoun would be “we”.
Ms. Pelosi:
Whatever Pope Benedict told you, during that audience that was so private no photographers were permitted:
Do that, if you are Catholic.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope_benedict_strongly_rebukes_pelosi_over_abortion/
She can’t even tell you who wrote the letter or what he said.
Obviously, she’s given the matter any thought at all.
Lord, let Your Spirit descend upon Nancy Pelosi, open her eyes and soften her heart to Your Truth.
One good thing can be said about Pelosi: her quotes are always good for a laugh.
Catholicism: You’re doing it wrong.
Which is strange, because that’s what we’re always accused of doing even when the arguments are entirely secular.
Navi, you’re exactly right. She hid behind her faith in a nonsensical attempt to avoid answering a question about abortion.
Isn’t it funny how pro-choice people of “faith” don’t ever get slammed for mentioning their religion when they believe it supports abortion?
I’m not Catholic, but this absolutely floored me: I grant the Church where they are on abortion.That’s where they are, that’s where they have to be. But my faith isn’t about what their position is.
A true, practicing Catholic would never in a million years say something so utterly contrary to Church authority and Church teaching. Not ever. She’s a Democrat, not a Catholic. That is her religion.
Ms. Pelosi needs to remember the words of St. Ambrose, “The Emperor is in the Church, not above it.”
Her statement “she grants”, no she grants nothing. She is either in-line or not. And this is not the only issue she is at odds with the Church on. In fact do not understand why she remains “Catholic.”
If it were more intellectual I might have paid attention to it.
Oh, dang it, we forgot. Pelosi is one of the crème de la crème members of the Elite Intellectual Club of our country.
Compare Fr. Frank’s educational history to hers if you want a good laugh.
I suppose we could never get Father and Pelosi to participate in an IQ face-off. One would be too humble to participate and the other would be too busy pushing the slaughter of humans.
If Pelosi is a Catholic, then I’m a Democrat.
Sure, I don’t support Pelosi or Obama. I am opposed to pretty much every plank in the Democratic platform. I donate my hours and money to the candidates of other parties, because I believe that they will do less damage to our country. I haven’t voted for a Democratic candidate since…. well, I can’t recall if I ever have.
But my parents’ family are all Democrats, and that’s where I learned my faith and values. It suits to call myself a Democrat. And that’s all that matters.
She should leave the Church and get it over with. As for the good father, maybe he should use the money that seems to have disappeared to build foster homes for all the infants he insists should be born. Why is it so many men are having hysterics over the choice women make. The guys can just take off if they don’t want to be fathers.
I love it when men are accused of “hysterics.” I know it’s just an etymology joke, but still…..
Marcia Mueller: Men care because killing a child is more than just a “woman’s choice.” That choice means a murdered child. Good Men have a natural reason to care about women and children.
In that blessed day when children are protected, and if many women still choose to abandon their children, then we will build many foster homes.
In the present, we help women to choose life and we help them to keep and care their children (since that is most often what the women really want to do). We also help women to heal from past abortions, since this also a great and current need.
But if the scenario that you imagine (masses of abandoned children) ever becomes real, we will deal with that need. We do not accept killing the children as a solution to any problem.
Hey, don’t blame Pelosi. We’ve been through how many Archbishops of San Franscisco in 25 yrs? And how many in D.C.? She’s a quasi-subject in the D.C. diocese. Wuerl could take action, too.
When she said in the interview that the GOP isn’t serious about abortion, what she should have said is that the USCCB and her archbishops aren’t serious about abortion.
Del,
Maybe if the Church is so appalled by abortion, it should promote, rather than condemn, birth control. Aside from individual choice, there is an overpopulation problem on this earth that is causing degradation of the land and displacement of the other creatures we share the planet with. Maybe a concern not only for human life but for all life and for the resources that make life possible should lead to acceptance of contraception.
It’s about time her excommunication was formally recognized and publicized. It is absolutely scandalous that she’s allowed to keep claiming the label of “Catholic” and lead so many astray.
If Marcia cares to peruse the archives here, many a pro-lifer has made an excellent case for the direction connection between the increased use of artificial birth control and the increase of abortion.
I’m surprised that someone like Pelosi whose been in the public eye this long could be so absolutely inarticulate. Pavone’s letter is, if nothing else to her, newsworthy about her and she can’t even address it in an intelligent way. Her words read like some myspace profile entry. And yes I mean myspace, because she’s that out of touch.
Jesus might tell us that as long as there is life in her, there is hope that she may turn around. I am deeply offended by her constant attempts to mislead people into thinking that being Catholic is like walking through a cafeteria with your tray, choosing this and ignoring that. Well, I guess she’s strangely consistent, because she and her cronies treat the Constitution with the same disdain.
Oops, meant to type direct, not direction.
Wow!!! what really struck me was the use of the term “mid-evil”; this is what distinguishes “orthodox” believers from the “progressive” ones. Progressives accept the “historical critical” method to the point where they dismiss “super nature”, and they accept the “theology” (if you could call it that) of Karl Rhaner and Teilhard de Chardin or explicitly “universal salvation”. this gives “them” the “licence” to decent from Church Teaching. “they” don’t read or accept any teaching prior to 1962, and they only accept teaching post 1962 that soothes “tickles their ears”. Nancy doesn’t even have a clue what “intellectual” means in reference to theology, just a way of belittling and dismissing our good Father Pavone. I guess to her, you have to say things in lofty terms for her to listen, she will be listening to Jesus at the last judgement.
Marcia Mueller says:
June 25, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Del,Maybe if the Church is so appalled by abortion, it should promote, rather than condemn, birth control.
Hi Marcia,
We’ve covered all of this ground before, but the data all indicate that more contraception leads directly to more abortion. If contraception were truly effective at preventing pregnancy and the demand for abortion, then Planned Parenthood would be much less ardent in their pushing of contraception.
Christianity condemned contraception for 1900 years, because it is contrary to God’s plan for us. Catholicism is not able to change God’s laws to suit the fads of our time, even if good-hearted Christians in the man-made sects are a bit more nimble in adapting the ancient faith.
Now that we have seen the fruits of contraception in our culture, we are not tempted to change our teachings (even though most individual Catholics have been seduced by the culture into disobedience). As Pope Paul VI prophesied in 1968, our contraceptive culture:
1) Suffers an overall lowering of moral standards. (Drugs, sex, and life are cheap.)
2) Infidelity, divorce and illegitimacy have greatly increased.
3) Women have been reduced to objects for the pleasure of men. (Porn is everywhere. A girl can hardly keep a boyfriend unless she is willing to have sex with him)
4) Governments feel free to coerce people in matters of reproduction. (China’s One-Child policy and forced abortions; Obama’s HHS Mandate).
So, no thank you. Catholicism is not convinced that there is anything good or holy in promoting contraception. We can’t and we won’t. We will stick with what has worked for the first 1900 years of Christian faith. God knows what makes us happy — chaste courtship, faithful marriage, and children.
Oh, this is getting good! If she’s provoked any more, she’ll be her own undoing through the nonsense statements like that. I mean really, please, can’t some bishop announce a public excommunication? HOW in the world she thinks she’s a Catholic, but then turns around and says something like that? Pope’s authority doesn’t matter to her, Church teaching isn’t important, she has her own made-up faith, and it’s NOT Catholic in more ways than one.
This is the wicked fruit of the idolatry and hypocrisy she was taught. There is no evidence of faith when someone has no fear of YHWH (God). If you can, humble yourself before the Lord Jesus Christ (Y’shua) and cry for mercy and forgiveness. He calls all to repentance.Deny yourself, take up your cross and follow JESUS. No religious organization can save your soul, rather they lead you into sin and reserve you for the lake of fire where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched!
Ms Pelosi, you say your faith is about Christ, and you promote abortions? Jesus said “I have come that they might have life and have it more abundantly.” When Peter drew the sword and cut off Machus’ ear, Christ said “Peter put away the sword. I came not to take life but to give it.” In another two verses in John’s Gospel Jesus said “I am the resurrection and the life. He that believeth on me though he were dead, yet shall he live, and he that liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” Ms Pelosi it sounds like you do not believe the Bible at all. You make it sound like Christ who is God was not able to foresee, and know what the future would require as to valid inustructions. I am sorry but your argument does not cut it. I am not Catholic.
Pelosi has already excommunicated herself from the Catholic Church, and I’m pretty sure that she knows it. Most likely, Pope Benedict and her bishops have told her this, and told her that she should not approach the altar and attempt to receive Jesus in the Eucharist while she persists in this scandal.
But no one can stop her from saying any stupid thing she wants to say.
Now, if this were a country filled with faithful Catholics and respect for the Catholic Church, then perhaps a bishop could (with good effect) publicly proclaim that Pelosi is excommunicated, mainly in the hope that she would repent and her soul could be saved.
But this is not the case. If a bishop were to publicly excommunicate Pelosi or Biden, Obama and his anti-theist cronies in the press would quickly accuse the bishops of interfering in the politics and policy of our government. The IRS agents would swoop in with helicopters and SWAT teams. The chancery offices would be ransacked, computers confiscated, with multiple lawsuits and threats of arrest.
So the US Bishops have apparently decided to keep a careful silence regarding unfaithful Catholics in political offices. It really is the job of the laity (both Catholic and non-Catholic) to point out Pelosi’s hypocrisy. Jill’s blog is doing God’s work.
Maybe if the Church is so appalled by abortion, it should promote, rather than condemn, birth control.
Birth control isn’t the standard that the Church should promote, because the Church promotes holiness, right living, and purity before the Lord. Promoting birth control would be like saying, “Don’t eat dirt! Here, eat these dustbunnies instead.”
If a bishop were to publicly excommunicate Pelosi or Biden, Obama and his anti-theist cronies in the press would quickly accuse the bishops of interfering in the politics and policy of our government. The IRS agents would swoop in with helicopters and SWAT teams. The chancery offices would be ransacked, computers confiscated, with multiple lawsuits and threats of arrest.
Two words: SO WHAT.
The IRS is already targeting conservative groups. The federal government is already targeting the Catholic Church. I say bring it on. Let’s expose the conflict and division that already exist and stop pretending we’re all buddy-buddy. There’s a war going on with no warriors to fight. We’re supposed to fear God; not men.
Why is it so many men are having hysterics over the choice women make.
Anybody can sign onto Fr. Frank’s letter, including women. I signed it and I’m sure many other women did, too. Maybe more women signed than men.
What are you doing to help poor women who want to keep their babies?
She gave it more of a response than I would have.
Andrew Ensley says:
Two words: SO WHAT.
I am willing to agree. But the bishops have to worry about a lot more people than just me.
Bottom line: It is the bishops’ job to point out Pelosi’s errors to Pelosi, in the hope of saving her soul.
But it is our job to point out Pelosi’s errors to the public, in the hope of saving our culture’s soul. We don’t have to wait for anyone else to take action. Make sure that everyone you talk to knows that Pelosi is a bully, and a bigot, and a hypocrite.
Praxedes wrote “I suppose we could never get Father and Pelosi to participate in an IQ face-off. ”
No, it’ll never happen. Fr. Pavone wouldn’t dare violate the laws against taking advantage of the mentally handicapped.
joan says:
June 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm
She gave it more of a response than I would have.
Of course, you wouldn’t have said that your Catholic faith is the reason why abortion is such “sacred ground” for you, in the first place.
I know it’s not saying much, you you’re a lot smarter than Nancy Pelosi.
The Archbishops of SF have failed to publicly refuse her communion on abortion. Excommunication would follow had they done this and she disobeyed. Fact is they are simply pusillanimous. Being an able politician, she knows just when to speak and where and when not to speak. So she goes to the Vatican, where the new Pope probably doesn’t know the situation and receives Communion at the service (though not from him). This has really gone on too long. People in the local Church should pressure the Archbishop to act or go to Rome with a formal protest and appeal.
Seems to me that she is the ARROGANT one.
Why doesn’t she convert to another denomination?
to: thinkingabovemypaygrade
to: thinkingabovemypaygrade I agree with your assessment of Ms Pelosi, but there is one thing if I may. The Catholic Church is not Ms Pelosi’s “denomination”…..IN FACT – the Catholic Church is NOT a denomination at all. It is however, THE Church which OUr Lord founded….by contrast, our separated brothers and sisters in the various Christain Churches are parts of individual denominations which share in what the Catholic Church alone, has in its fullness. No disrespect intended, just an observation on that word wich is so often misplaced. Thank You. John
It seems to me she understands completely that her view on abortion are at odds with the Church which makes we wonder if her bishop, after reading her comment, will make a statement.
I don’t like to say this at ALL about anyone, but I truly DO believe, because of her political influence and her leading MANY astray, her public excommunication is needed. May God convert her heart quickly.
I’m not Catholic, but this absolutely floored me: I grant the Church where they are on abortion.That’s where they are, that’s where they have to be. But my faith isn’t about what their position is.
A true, practicing Catholic would never in a million years say something so utterly contrary to Church authority and Church teaching. Not ever. She’s a Democrat, not a Catholic. That is her religion.
Same here. All this non-Catholic can say is wow!
Del, Kel, et al. — I have nothing against contraception, but I’ve yet to have a prochoicer explain why in New York City, where contraception is readily available, why the abortion rate is the highest in the country?
We have a perfect case of Relativism seeping into the hearts and minds of religious people.
“I love my faith and my faith has nothing to do with whoever he [Father Frank Pavone] is.”
Fr. Pavone is reflecting the same ideologies that many priests, bishops, and even the Pope has. Fr. Pavone is not acting on his own, but acting in behalf of the Church. It even doesn’t matter who says it, because Truth is Truth. It doesn’t have to be a clergy of the Church in order for someone to proclaim Truth. An Atheist can proclaim Truth. Someone’s character, although it influences our judgement, it shouldn’t prevent us from listening to Truth.
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The Church taught me as I was growing up that every person has a free will and has the responsibility to live up to a moral standard.”
Oh, tell me more about this “moral standard” that you speak of?
“I grant the Church where they are on abortion. That’s where they are, that’s where they have to be. But my faith isn’t about what their position is.”
Ok, so if that’s the position they have to be… then what’s controlling that? Do you understand why they have to be in that position? Maybe they’re in that position because that’s the Law of God? And if they’re in that position because it’s the Law of God… where does that make your position?
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My faith is about, Christ is my savior, the church is his church, and has nothing to do with Priests for Life….”
I love this quote, mainly for two reasons: One is that she says that “the church is his church” (which, for most Catholics, means the Catholic Church, but in her case, doesn’t? And if she does believe that Christ’s Church is the Catholic Church, then why does she continue to oppose it?). The second reason why I love this quote is because she believes that Catholic Priests, who are in support of the pro-life movement, don’t matter to Christ’s Church, therefore, don’t matter to her faith.
“I wouldn’t even dignify whatever it is they said. It was a highly emotional statement that they made. If it were more intellectual I might have paid attention to it. He was acting hysterically.”
Yep, and shrieking “They want to let women die on the floooooooorrrr!!!” isn’t hysterical.
Habakkuk chapter 1 :2 How long oh Lord? I cry for help but you do not listen! I cry out to you, “Violence” but you do not intervene.
How long oh Lord????
Ms. Pelosi needs to understand the difference between faith and religion. The faith she is practicing is not what the religion of the Catholic Church teaches. She may have faith, but it is not the Catholic faith, so she needs to stop claiming she is of the Catholic religion. There are plenty of “Christian” sects out there who agree with her and would be happy to have her…and they are welcome to take her. Or she if she really wants to keep her claim of being Catholic, she needs to heed Fr. Frank’s letter and live her faith in her public life, too. Attending Mass does not a Catholic make.
PelOsi… You spoke of the Church in the third person which indicates you do not consider yourself a part of it. And why did you have to insult Fr. Pavone’s intelligence? This is the Dems facorite argument when they don’t have an argument… They dismiss the Truth and arrogantly claim superiority.
Ms Pelosi needs an exorcism!!! She is not Catholic 100% or she don’t understand the concept of Catholicism. Probably she likes the word Catholic and she think she belongs to are church. Not only because she goes to mass 2 times a year you belong to the church. I feel sorry for her!
Wow! Wow! Wow! Wasn’t Lucifer a great model of arrogance and rebellion? Pelosi uses her political title as power of Caesar to please the dark forces that have already contaminated society. She is helping evil to twist the minds of other Catholics who are lukewarm about their faith. Abortion is genocide of human beings. There is a place for Pelosi when the second coming of Jesus happens.
Someone who approves of abortion cannot call herself or himself a Catholic–it’s a contradiction. It is saying, “I am a Catholic, but I disagree with the teachings of the Catholic religion.” But we should pray for her soul, which is in danger.
Pelosi should just accept the fact that she is already excommunicated. Because if a Catholic has an abortion or publicly favors it, by Church law, she is automatically excommunicated.
The USCCB should reply with a notice of excommunication since she already is laetae sententiae why not give her a piece of paper to show for it.
SC says:
Seems to me that she is the ARROGANT one.
Indeed! She arrogates to herself the following:
I grant the Church where they are on abortion. That’s where they are, that’s where they have to be. But my faith isn’t about what their position is.
Well, how very big of you, Nancy. And tell me again, please, how is it exactly that you acquired the credentials to grant anything of this nature to anyone and stand in judgment of the Church’s position on abortion? Oh yes, that’s right, you and John Paul II and Benedict XVI are all on the same intellectual plane.
Your “faith” is a faith in an imaginary world where God smiles on your bloody hands and lovingly understands your having supported abortion for all those many years. THAT, is not faith, it is delusional. You seriously need to seek professional help. God can forgive but when we mock Him we are probably not in the mindset to ask for forgiveness.
It appears as though Fr. Pavone really struck a nerve.
You can’t be truly Catholic and support abortion. The Catholic Church has made its position clear on more than one occasion (“The Catechism Of the Catholic Church”, “Humane Vitae”, “The Theology Of The Body”, just to name a few places). If she doesn’t know by now that this is not just Fr. Frank Pavone’s position, but also the Catholic Church’s position, then she’s not very well acquainted with the Catholic Faith.
We must pray for her.
Hey Pelosi, you’re persecuting a fellow believer, an action that brings condemnation. You obviously don’t read your Bible.
Mr. Pavone is a saint, as all true believers are, however, I can’t say that I respect another Christian more.
May God Bless Him and protect Him.
Wow. How do these American politicians land their cushy jobs?
Who elected this clown?
Neither intelligence, conscience, nor soul is required apparently.
The only thing that may get this woman to stop mocking the Catholic Church is public humiliation. (Not that she doesn’t do a good job by herself.) I believe the Church has to make a stand and deny her communion. Aren’t the priests who give her communion putting their own souls at risk for doing so? May God have mercy.
It’s great being a catholic because you can believe anything you want, implement immoral laws, promote homosexual behavior and still go to communion. Why would anybody be anything else!?
Who is this woman’s spiritual director? Goodness, she could use a good one. She is so ignorant of the most basic principles of the spiritual life, and yet constantly claims that her faith is so important to her. Ms Pelosi, our God is big enough, and our faith is big enough, to care for ALL people – women AND the unborn. Not just one or the other. I don’t know what god you are serving, but it is not the God of the living, and our Lord proclaimed the Father to be.
Sure, Pelosi believes in her holy trinity: “Me, myself, and I.”
Who is this woman’s spiritual director? Goodness, she could use a good one.
That’s assuming she would actually take the time to listen to “whoever he is.” It’s clear she has no time for anyone’s moral standard but her own, such that it is.
I think St Bernard answered the question about her spiritual director when he wrote “He who constitutes himself his own director, becomes the disciple of a fool.”
I think it is time for the Catholic Church, a world-wide organization with rules and policies, to begin enforcing those rules and policies. In other words, demand that those who claim to be Catholic actually live up to what the Catholic Church teaches or face excommunication. Pelosi, by her actions, her positions, and the snarky response she gave Father Pavone, has proven not only that she is no Catholic, but that she is the most ungodly woman around. The Church would be better-off if the Pope would excommunicate her, and expose her evil for all to see.
Remember the bishops in King Henry viii England all sided with the king and let Thomas More be killed along with the catholic church in England. Stop giving your resources to those churches that are not fighting and give it to the ones that are!!!
She says “They’ in referencing practicing Catholics. If she was one of us, she would be saying, ‘we’ or ‘us’ but denies her own inclusion. They continues on to say she is Catholic., or even better, more Catholic than the Pope, the conclave and the entire liturgy & catechism of the Church. Nice Pelosi, a trolls troll.
Sorry, RJ Pelosi follows Catholic doctrine with the faith of the Pharisees who Crucified Christ.
Pelosi’s as faithful to God as they were.
Practicing Catholics can’t just do what they feel, we have to walk the way of faith or else we are as authentic as any other two faced liars, but even more accountable to our God, because we not only had the law of Moses, but the new covenant which Christ gave, softening hearts, and overriding many of the stiff-necked mosaic traditions. The Ten Commandments still hold true, thou shalt no bear false witness-She’s definitively out of her league.
Oh, that reminds me, What is Bill Donahue have to say about this?
Hearts and minds closed to the Word of our Holy Father,God Almighty, our loving and Awesome Father who only wants to love us and wants our love. He came on earth to teach us how to live our lives. THE HOLY FAMILY, JESUS, MARY, AND JOSEPH. Jesus was sent by The Father to do his will and to teach us the truth about how we are to liive our lives. He told us that the gate is narraw.
“Where there is OBEDIENCE, there is faith. Where there is NO OBEDIENCE, there is no faith.”
This is a quote from one of our church fathers. I can’t remember his name, but it is truth that comes from wisdom. Lord have mercy on us all.
What Nancy needs to do is “sell all she has and give it to the poor, and follow Christ.” She is trapped in her materialism and ardent feminism—THAT is her “sacred ground”, her “faith”. The “isms” she sorely lacks are Catholicism and spiritualism. Her own little magisterium is ridiculous.