Stanek Sunday funnies, “Reversal of fortune” edition
President Obama’s signature domestic policy may have accomplished something previously unthinkable: taking an issue where one party had a dominant hold on public opinion, and reversing it in favor of the opposing party….
[W]e could be witnessing a political achievement unequaled in modern political history: the complete demolition of one party’s long-term dominance on an issue area – the Democrats’ ownership of the health care issue – in the space of a few months.
~ Ben Domenech, The Federalist, November 13
by John Deering at GoComics.com…
Politically and substantively, this is a low for the administration. “Things suck right now,” says one Senate Democratic aide. “They suck unbelievably much, considering where we were six weeks ago.”
~ Ezra Klein and Evan Soltas, Washington Post, November 14
by Steve Kelley at Townhall.com…
For decades, Democratic strategists have viewed universal health care as their best opportunity to reverse the doubt among many voters, especially whites, that government programs can tangibly benefit their families. Now the catastrophic rollout of the health law threatens instead to reinforce those doubts. That outcome could threaten Democratic priorities for years….
Kettl says no major federal initiative has failed so thoroughly upon its unveiling since the ballistic-missile program’s first years in the 1950s produced a succession of explosions and failures to launch. “The last time something blew up on the runway like this,” Kettl says, “things were literally blowing up on the runway.”
~ Ronald Brownstein, National Journal, November 15
by Nate Beeler at Townhall.com…
For Democrats across the country, the reversal of political fortunes over the past month has been head-spinning.
~ Jonathan Weisman, New York Times, November 16
by Lisa Benson at GoComics.com…
If you can’t take some joy, some modicum of relief and mirth, in the unprecedentedly spectacular beclowning of the president, his administration, its enablers, and, to no small degree, liberalism itself, then you need to ask yourself why you’re following politics in the first place. Because, frankly, this has been one of the most enjoyable political moments of my lifetime. I wake up in the morning and rush to find my just-delivered newspaper with a joyful expectation of worsening news so intense, I feel like Morgan Freeman should be narrating my trek to the front lawn.
~ Jonah Goldberg, National Review Online, November 14
by Steve Benson at GoComics.com…
Incompetence and dishonesty could be a fatal combination. And Obama really has no one to blame but himself: http://t.co/E9fhO2O7Ua
— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) November 14, 2013
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I voted for #1, but they were all about the same.
#1
Yawn
Let me just expand on my thoughts.
If anything, this whole episode has doomed both parties on what they want to do with health care. The dems have lost the faith in folks, but the GOP is only better off because they haven’t led with any of their ideas. Imagine them now bringing out what they support – which is health care exchanges for seniors on medicare (yes, they are now going to pitch online exchanges for the elderly) and getting folks out of employer coverage for the private market (would fly in the face of having people keep their coverage).
So two thoughts:
1) The law continues to not go well, the whole thing is repealed, the terrible system we were in becomes the norm again – and that system, which was slowly crashing, speeds up, crashes, and then we get a massive overhaul because we have to (universal coverage).
2) The GOP gets in their circular firing squad, blows their opportunity by shutting down the government again, the health care law ends up not affecting many people and gets smoothed out, and this was a bump in the road.
We’ll see.
Without quibbling over details, I have to agree with Ex-GOP. We should not be giggling gleefully with schadenfeude.
Most pro-lifers can see the grave dangers that Obamacare threatened to us. Be aware that the chaos of sudden implosion carries the same dangers, and many more. Our enemies know how to exploit a crisis, even one of their own making.
Now is the time for us to support all of the non-political solutions that are still available to us. And to get creative about making more. For example — let’s trumpet the fact that Pregnancy Resource Centers are still helping women, because we are not funded by taxpayers and aren’t dependent on Obamacare. And let’s urge our colleagues to donate more, because more charity is needed.
“Our enemies [progressives/Marxists] know how to exploit a crisis, even one of democRATs own making.”
To quote Jack Nicholson from ‘a few good men’, “Is there any other kind?”
I consider the Obamacare stuff proof that a lot of Republicans are just pretending when they claim to care about the country. There certainly is an element of glee with every problem that comes up. They’d rather see Obama fail than the country succeed, and they try to cause as many problems as possible.
No, the Republicans are just thinking with their heads. The others are thinking with their hearts (but conniving ones, I put it to you).
The elections will not be about the dreaded “tea party government shutdown” which left 85% still going. It will be about Obamacare messing up 85% of people’s coverage for a not-very-interested 15%.
Which is why I voted for Lisa Benson the second week in a row.
As much as I was sad when Obama was re-elected, I now actually glad. During this second term, Obama has shown to EVERYONE who he truly is. This would not have been possible if he had not been re-elected. Obama would have still been seen as a Noble Peace Prize winner without doing anything.
Lol Chantal kindly decided to illustrate my point for you, Hans. A lot of Republicans would gladly burn the whole country down if they get to stick it to Obama.
Hi Jack,
Please keep in mind no one is sticking it to Obama. He wanted this, he got it. He owns it.
The Democrats went, and are going, over a cliff for him.
No Republican supported this monstrosity.
The Republicans only had to give Obama et.al. the rope they needed, and they’re hanging themselves.
For the record, I was physically ill when Obama was re-elected.
Jack,
You don’t really get the point. It’s the democrats who are burning the country. Allow us a pained smile and a shake of the head. We said this was the wrong thing at the worst time and we were right. A flatlining economy further burdened by Obamacare.
It was a ham-handed attempt to ensure more low-wage, low-information voters. And now the middle class – with still the most voters – are being alienated. They will slowly remember which side warned of this disaster.
I really wonder just how many of the paltry 50,000 who have signed up are from those who didn’t have any insurance. We won’t know for some time because the administration is trying to keep useful stats from us (like the number of the young who they depended on milking to pay for this)
All this upheaval, and there will still be the same number of millions or more uncovered
The elections will not be about the dreaded “tea party government shutdown”
Hans, the government was shut down because Obama and the Dumbocrats refused to grant people a one year waiver from Obamacare…and now just a few weeks later Obama is granting one year administrative reprieves and the Dumbocrats are proposing legislation to delay Obamacare by a year. They are insane.
Mary, when Obama was re-elected I was sick because I really couldn’t believe a majority of the voting public could be that stupid.
I offer that our Republicans care about America’s families every bit as much or more than the Democrats.
The difference is how much faith they have in the omnipotence of government.
– Democrats are all convinced that centralized government can solve any complex problem, like healthcare.
– The good Republicans suspect that government can maybe help a little, but it can certainly can hurt us a lot.
So the Democrats are right when they say that “Republicans have no plan.” But that is precisely why we vote for Republicans.
That’s like the dumbest reason to vote for someone I have ever heard, no offense Del.
I’d vote for someone who has no plan but defends human life over someone who has a plan but supports killing humans. All day. Any day.
Then you’re voting for someone running on a platform of not killing pre-born humans (or any humans, I guess, I would love to find a good anti-capital punishment pro-life politician), not voting for someone because they have no plan.
“So the Democrats are right when they say that “Republicans have no plan.” But that is precisely why we vote for Republicans.”
Yet those who are so willing to “shut down” the government don’t seem to complain when they collect a big fat paycheck from Big Brother Government. Curious, no?
Hans – your numbers are way off – majority of Americans are on employer coverage, and a large chunk after that on medicare/medicaid – and those groups are all largely untouched. That’s why I listed that I think there’s a solid chance that when all is said and done, there won’t be as much fall out because the number of people personally affected isn’t big (statistically).
truth -
When you find yourself in the minority, wondering who “doesn’t get it” – typically it’s the smaller group of people. Just sayin’.
Del –
I find myself agreeing with you more – but I do want to throw out that when GOPers have the power, they don’t govern like they walk. Wisconsin (where I live – I think you live here as well) has been a string of decisions that has taken power from local control and moved it to the state level, which is contrary to how GOPers talk.
Ex-RINO,
But it was not so hard for a con-man like Obama to fool people into believing they could keep their doctors and health care plans period….was it? I think more are ‘getting it’ now.
Last thing before I go watch some football:
“This is a huge undertaking and there are going to be glitches. My goal is the same as yours: Get rid of the glitches.”
Joe Barton, Republican – Texas – during the rocky implementation of Medicare Part D.
They might be truth – that would be speculating. What isn’t speculation though is that a majority of American voted for Obama. You might call them stupid – but they were the majority. You were in the minority, which meant less people agreed with you. It’s just simple math – I’m just saying, as you yell at all the stupid people, sometimes look around and see if you are in the smaller crowd. That might tell you something.
Ex-RINO…it is not speculating. You of all people are poll watcher and the current majority is definitely of the opinion that Obama is incompetent. Quit ‘playing’ ignorant. When did Obama find out that Obamacare would cause people to lose their health insurance plans and their doctors….when he heard it on the news?
Ex-GOP says:
November 17, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Del –I find myself agreeing with you more – but I do want to throw out that when GOPers have the power, they don’t govern like they walk. Wisconsin (where I live – I think you live here as well) has been a string of decisions that has taken power from local control and moved it to the state level, which is contrary to how GOPers talk.
Just a two-hour drive, and we could certainly enjoy a beer together! I admit that I would enjoy it…. do you smoke pipes or cigars, by any chance?
In general, it is foolish to put too much stake or faith in any political party. Our salvation and welfare does not depend on Washington or Madison.
I agree — there is nothing exceptionally desirable about Republicans. But in every election since I was old enough to vote, I have voted for the Republican. It always happens that the Republican candidate might do less damage than the Democrat.
Of course, the Democrat is usually pro-abortion — and that automatically means he or she is not qualified to represent the rights and affairs of human beings at any level. As a result, in a typical two-party race, the Republican candidate is my only qualified choice.
We need more pro-life Democrats, so we can have a real choice.
At this point I think Obama’s priority is just to cause as much damage as possible to people and to businesses that do not support him.
truth – I’m saying you are speculating regarding the numbers – I made the case of minority vs majority, and you said “more” people were getting it now. I said that was speculating – and we’ll never really know because Obama won’t come up for election again.
Sorry for the confusion.
Del -agreed. I’ve been very disappointed that the Dems have moved farther left on abortion. It’s one thing to believe it should be legal but work to make it more rare. Another when some in the party think it should be legal, frequent, and celebrated.
Time to get money out of the game – when any organization has a lot of money, they have way too much power with political parties and the common sense goes out the door. See Planned Parenthood and the NRA.
Ex-RINO, 39 House Democrats voted with the Republicans last Friday to pass a bill that Obama said he would veto. And Democrats in the senate are putting forth bills that Obama says he will veto. When even the Democrats are breaking with Obama; that is a good indicator that more people are ‘getting it’.
Hi ts,
You didn’t buy that spiel on honesty from a sex offender and perjurer did you?
The Democrats are finally jumping ship because Bill Clinton has given his blessing, which is what that little spiel was all about. He’s setting Hillary up for 2016.
I would hardly call adjusting a law “jumping ship”.
EGV,
You don’t recognize a liar even when he repeats his lie time and again, so I expect you to have difficulty comprehending when people are jumping ship.
I think that the administrative reprieve will allow Republicans to mobilize in order to scale down and eventually over-turn this idiocy. O has proven himself to be a dictator who has no consideration for the people. Poor saps signed up and cancelled their policies based on this sorry president’s promises and now what? It’s funny how Ex minimizes these people’s predicament. Now how about the millions of your tax money spent on that “website?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-we-got-obamacare-to-work/2013/11/17/3f2532bc-4e42-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html?hpid=z2
Ex-RINO
‘Getting it’ will mean some of the Democrats realizing the law is a clusterf#@& and was passed by lying to the American people. I have lost my faith in a great many of the American voting but I am still holding out hope that they a great many of them only voted for Obama because they believed his lies.
Jack says:
November 17, 2013 at 7:06 pm
That’s like the dumbest reason to vote for someone I have ever heard, no offense Del.
Let me make it very simple: My election calculus is a two-step process:
1) Eliminate the unqualified candidates…. those who support abortion, euthanasia, research that makes and kills human embryos are not qualified to lead a human society.
2) Among the qualified candidates: Choose the one who will do the least amount of damage.
2A) If all of the candidates are eliminated in step 1, then go back to through the list of unqualified candidates and choose the one who who do the least amount of damage.
My foundation for this is the philosophy of GK Chesterton. I am a Distributist. I believe that Big Government is fundamentally unable to deliver the utopia that it promises, no matter how much it meddles in the lives and welfare of our families. So I often prefer the candidate who promises to do the least. That is not a “dumb reason” to vote for somebody.
:) Need I repeat the reason why I love your posts, Del? Well said (and bonus points for referencing Chesterton twice in two posts)!
Jack, I’ll agree that many people don’t have the perspective and self-control needed to distinguish the sinner from the sin (as is the case with those who gloat wholeheartedly when their enemy stumbles); but many more are simply experiencing a (rather giddy) sense of relief whenever the emperor’s lack of clothing is finally acknowledged, even in passing, and especially when the emperor has made a consistent practise of threatening things/matters near and dear to them (such as the lives of the unborn, avoidance of socialism/totalitarianism, etc.).
EGV: I’ll say again (which is dangerously close to agreeing with you!): at this point, one of the only reasons to vote GOP is to minimise the direct damage to lives and morals being done by politicians in general. The Democratic party specifically targets unborn children for death, simply on the pretext that the mothers “desire the freedom” (which is illusory anyway, given the pervasive deception/coercion on the subject); the GOP does not. You can denounce the hypocrisy of any individual GOP politicians who betray/ignore the defense of the unborn, if you like, EGV (and I’ll likely join you–I’d just warn you against painting with such a broad, universal brush as to paint “the GOP as a collective whole” thusly). Just do remember: when GOP politicians abandon the unborn, they do so in defiance of their stated principles; when the Democrats abandon them, it is by design, and no hypocrisy is needed. Such an evil paradigm cannot help but lose my vote permanently, I’m afraid.
“Jack, I’ll agree that many people don’t have the perspective and self-control needed to distinguish the sinner from the sin (as is the case with those who gloat wholeheartedly when their enemy stumbles); but many more are simply experiencing a (rather giddy) sense of relief whenever the emperor’s lack of clothing is finally acknowledged, even in passing, and especially when the emperor has made a consistent practise of threatening things/matters near and dear to them (such as the lives of the unborn, avoidance of socialism/totalitarianism, etc.). ”
I would believe this more if I hadn’t seen about ten gazillion comments and statements like Chantal’s, about actively being glad that things are going poorly. It’s pretty obviously gleeful when people are glad that Obama was reelected so they can show everyone how his policies aren’t great. That’s obviously not putting the country first, if you truly believe a GOP politician would have done less damage.
“1) Eliminate the unqualified candidates…. those who support abortion, euthanasia, research that makes and kills human embryos are not qualified to lead a human society.”
Agreed! And I’ve never voted for someone who supports these things (though I’m basically forced to vote for people who are pro-capital punishment, because even moderate Republicans refuse to get rid of that platform). I can’t vote for people who are okay with legally killing other people. But that’s not the same thing as voting for someone who doesn’t have any plan because they have no plan.
I pretty much just fundamentally disagree that the GOP is any less “big government” than the Dems, actually. The difference is that the GOP prefers that our policies are set by big businesses, while the Dems have some halfway socialist thing in mind. And the GOP is only “anti-big government” for some things. For example, I doubt any of you would complain about an amendment banning same-sex marriage recognition in the US, or a federal mandate to automatically deport the vast majority of “illegals”. You guys are just a bit more selectively pro-big government.
Paladin I much prefer the doom and gloom of Hans (;)) to the people who basically celebrate that things aren’t going well.
I like the TEA Party. I believe that it has been vindicated by the events of the last month. President Obama, by “allowing” people to keep their old insurance, is just trying to do what the TEA Party Republicans tried to do in early October – defer implementation for one year, which is the same break the President gave to his big business cronies. So I don’t understand the comment about GOP policies being set by “Big Business” – both parties are tools of the monied elites.
I don’t celebrate that things are not going well – I only recognize that it is a natural outcome for a Nation that has rejected God (or worse, pays Him lip service). Now I understand that atheists would not see things that way.
A nation can’t ‘reject god’ Barb. Even if a theocracy decides to become secular it doesn’t mean they’re actually rejecting god.
The god thing is something personal, on an individual basis. It is only a political or legal system in strict theocracies.
Thomas R –
How do you think that will work though? Obama has veto power for the next couple of years. After that, how do you think the GOP will approach it if they have the power? It’s one thing to stop a law before it comes into play. But in a couple of years, are you saying that the GOP is going to bring back pre-existing condition discrimination and kick millions off of new plans?
I mean, seriously, how do you see what you say actually working?
Paladin –
Seems like a commercial for not voting at all.
Barb –
You are massively mistaken – the tea party was trying to delay the implementation of the individual mandate. What was just chagned was delaying the privison that plans have to adhere to certain regulations. Completely two different things. It’s like if the tea party was pushing us to attack Iran, and then we attacked Iceland, and you are claiming the tea party gets credit for the policy initiative.
Just wait until the employer mandate kicks in.
But fear not. Maybe our glorious leader will call 1-800-GeekSquad before millions more Americans, possibly including you EGV, get kicked off their insurance.
For laughs I watch (The) Mr. (Ed) the Talking Horse(patoot) (Show) and he got in a heated discussion with a Democrat congressman, DeFazio from Oregon, who voted with the Republicans to allow people to keep their insurance, as the glorious leader promised, but now will veto. Poor Mr.Ed, the congressman had to explain that people got Medicaid in Oregon, but not one person signed up for insurance. He then had to tell Mr. Ed, who apparently didn’t think the congressman had any clue what he was talking about, to calm down.
Oregon’s website isn’t working, at all. If they had the online sign up thing ready I’d bet they’d have people sign up. It’s the same issue with the federal website. And plus I think people don’t actually understand. I’ve met a lot of people who think that Obamacare is single payer, basically, and that they are just going to be “put on” insurance. I think that people don’t really have the information.
I enjoy seeing a rant from a lady about people not keeping their coverage when she’d like to get rid of insurance and deal health care for chickens.
Yes, there seems to be some irony there.
EGV,
LOL. This fixation you have on chickens is turning you into a featherbrain.
Maybe it’s time the gop realised their goose is cooked on this one and focussed on making some gravy rather than constantly trying to pluck everything.
Hi Jack,
I’m only repeating what the congressman said. His constituents are losing their insurance and not one person has signed up for Obamacare, but they have for Medicaid. I suspect his vote was based on their immense displeasure with the situation.
Reality,
This albatross belongs to the Democrats.
The only albatross Mary, is the gop’s preference to see the US fail rather than obama succeed.
Obamacare is a dove, which once released from the evil clutches of the gop will fly around and flutter peace and harmony on all.
As Rev. Wright would say:
It looks like Obama’s chickens are coming home to roost.
Reality, 11:49PM
Fly around and flutter. I’ll give you that Reality.
Yes Mary, it will fly to all parts, be seen as a symbol of peace and harmony by all and flutter the breeze of universal healthcare upon everyone.
“Obamacare is a dove, which once released from the evil clutches of the gop will fly around and flutter peace and harmony on all.”
I get thinking that Obamacare is (slightly) preferable to what we had. What I don’t get is thinking it’s great. It certainly left some to be desired, especially allowing the GOP states to opt out of expanding Medicaid.
The only impediment to obamacare being what it could be and more Jack, is gop intransigence.
Ultimately, universal healthcare is the only worthwhile goal.
Hi Jack,
Only “slightly preferable?” All this passing of legislation, millions without coverage and millions more to be without coverage, the destruction of the insurance industry(the real goal) and the massive unemployment that will result from that, not to mention how hospitals and care of our elderly will be effected.
All this for something “slightly preferable”, if that ?
Reality 12.01am
You sound like you’ve been inhaling too much of the bull flatulence emanating from the White House, Reality.
EGV wrote:
Paladin – Seems like a commercial for not voting at all.
Sometimes, yes; sometimes, no. I’d just caution (again) against an “all-or-nothing, catastrophic absolutism” mentality (e.g. “We have to do [x], at all costs! *GASP!* There are some things wrong with [x]! That means we must avoid [x] at all costs! AARGH!”). There are some races in which the only morally right choice is to deny one’s vote to all candidates; but in other cases, a vote for one will serve the good by denying the vote to a much more dangerous candidate. As Del said: when there are no perfect choices, it’s morally licit to vote so as to minimise evil (so long as one doesn’t violate the objective moral law while doing so).
Ex-GOP Voter says:
November 18, 2013 at 10:44 pm
Thomas R –
How do you think that will work though?
Ex – as of this morning OCare approval rating is at 40 percent with 57 percent of the American people opposing. Approval rating for the almighty O is at 42 percent with 58 percent of the American people disapproving of his highness.
Now, how do you think that will work out? As I said, O and his minions have never listened to the American people but who cares, right…
“All this passing of legislation, millions without coverage and millions more to be without coverage, the destruction of the insurance industry(the real goal) and the massive unemployment that will result from that, not to mention how hospitals and care of our elderly will be effected.”
I only think it’s “slightly” preferable because it didn’t do enough. I’m not secretive about the fact that I think that our healthcare system is awful and needs to be dramatically changed.
People who are unemployed when our private insurance industry dies can get new jobs helping administer single payer, when Republicans in this country stop dragging their heels and join the rest of the free world.
Hi Jack,
The law was what, about 2,000 pages? What did it miss?
What does the length of the law have to do with whether I agree with it 100% or not? The GOP could come out with a 1243826345145601541 page law about immigration or something and I bet I would disagree with that!
You said it didn’t do enough. I just wondered what was missed.
The Democrats got the law they wanted and they run the Senate and the WH. This is their baby. They are the ones who lied and bribed to get it, and now can’t even get a website to work. 39 Democrats voted to let people keep their insurance, which Obama has vowed to veto, despite his promise, or should I say lie. The Republicans are only guilty of letting the Democrats hang themselves with their own rope.
Paladin -
You Catholics and all your moral equations.
Look, I’m saying that if God is going to look at me one day and pull out every person I voted for, and my choice is between a party that loves other’s money, puts solutions in Government, and supports abortion – or a party that clings to their guns, hasn’t found a war that they don’t like, and demonizes the poor – then the best choice, by far, hands down, without question – is not voting.
Seriously Thomas – how would what you said – mobilization to overturn it by the GOP – how is that going to work?
I don’t know how closely you follow politics, but the Presidential election is held every four years. Obama sits where he is until 2017. Has veto power over anything that comes his way.
So seriously, how do you see, what you claim, working out?
Jack –
You are a smart guy – have you seen anything that any Republican is complaining about these days (in reference to the health care law) that isn’t solved by universal care?
All of the sudden, keeping one’s health care and not having to shop via websites is the way to go (which is odd since those are both opposite of most pillars of Republican health care reform) – so let’s just get universal care through and get it over with. Plus, it would allow for a repeal of Obamacare, which the right would love!
Mary -
I’ll help answer Jack’s statement:
It isn’t universal coverage – this was an attempt to do two major things:
1) Eliminate pre-existing discrimination and expand the number of people who have insurance
2) Keep the system as a free market system (ruled by insurance companies).
What this law is take a bad system that is too expensive and doesn’t work, and try to regulate it into working. It needs an overhaul – a massive one – and this law tries to do it through regulation, which is tough to do.
“have you seen anything that any Republican is complaining about these days (in reference to the health care law) that isn’t solved by universal care?”
Besides wanting certain people above a certain income level to have better healthcare than those evil people who can’t afford it? No.
Lower costs? Yup, all evidence points towards single payer being cheaper.
Not having this problem with signing up? Yup, single payer wouldn’t have to deal with that.
Not wanting business to subsidize personal choices like contraception? Yup, under universal it’s tax funded, so it’s no more a loss of religious freedom than vegetarians being forced to subsidize animal testing with their taxes.
Looks like the GOP could have all their problems solved! :)
EGV,
Sure glad to see you got over your chicken fixation.
Anyway, as I have pointed out. The Democrats own this, they lied and bribed to get this, so stop crying about the Republicans when its your guys who have the Senate and WH. Oct.1 was the big day and its been downhill ever since. Its not like the dear leader and his minions didn’t have, what, 3 years to get this up an running? I even graciously suggested the dear leader dial 1-800-GeekSquad but obviously he doesn’t listen to me, he just continues to let poor Kathleen take the rap while he hides behind her skirt.
As I told Jack the Republicans are only letting the Democrats hang themselves with their own rope. Sometimes EGV you just can’t save people from themselves.
Mary -
I was never fixated on chickens – it was your health care solution – your plan – which is part of the big issue, and that is the fact that we have one political party with zero ideas, but very good at mobilizing and complaining when things go wrong.
Anyway, if you look at the numbers in Mass, not many people signed up there in the first month. We are a society of procrastinators. In a couple of months, all will be working well, the GOP will shut down the government again, and the whole dynamic will be flipped again.
I didn’t realise that republicans were invited to the WH that often Mary! I’ll wear a filter mask next time I’m passing by.
Now if only I could inhale what it takes to construct extensive creative narratives ;-)
Reality,
I didn’t realize the republicans were invited to the WH that often Mary!
They’re not.
Now if only I could inhale what it takes to construct extensive creative narratives.
Yes it would help you considerably if you did.
Uh no EGV,
I never mentioned chickens. It was you who continued to bring them up for reasons known only to you. I could only assume it was a fixation, especially when you ended a couple of posts to me with, and I quote, “ cluck cluck”
EGV, please, whatever I thought or wanted is beside the point. You can’t even bring yourself to admit Obama’s a liar. He wants to force us unto a single payer, which I told you all along was his plan, I even showed you a video of him saying it. The employer mandate will give you the boot like it will millions more Americans and you’ll be scrambling, not just reading about other people who are forced to.
Well guess what, the American people aren’t thrilled and the Democrats are feeling the heat.
And ya know what else EGV, the Democrats have no one to blame but themselves.
They’re not. – yet you are concerned about the amount of ‘bull flatulence’ they manage to produce when they are there. I know Boehner and a few others spent some time there recently but…..
Yes it would help you considerably if you did. – why? Why would I wish to construct extensive creative narratives too? It may be entertaining but I’ll stick with real stuff and real people thanks.
Reality,
Go back to your flying and fluttering.
No no, that’s doves Mary. And doves can’t read and write. Therefore I am not a dove. Therefore I do not fly or flutter. I’m not the creative writer remember.
By the time the mid-terms come around obamacare will largely be resolved and on-track and any intents to wind it back will be severely judged.
LOLLLL. Whatever. Try to get a good night’s sleep Reality.
Ah, I thought so! I’ve observed how your comments change as your bedtime approaches, I thought it was the case this time with your ‘flying and fluttering’ comment. Your comments get much shorter and turn into attempts at being dismissive. And now you’re slurring your words. That is so cute.
Sleep well Mary :-)
LOLLLLLL.
Seriously Ex – is presidential election held every four years?! No kidding – you have shared great knowledge with me. Thanks.
Will O ever use his veto power remains a big question mark. Did you miss my reference to O-Care and O’s approval ratings? That is the reason I doubt your prediction. They will be steadily sinking and by the time next election comes around the American people will no longer be fooled by the dishonest democrats, Republicans will regain the majority, the American people will elect a Republican and ACA will not be renewed. O will become a thing of the past and retreat to Kenya. :)
We will all be around to see this demise in the making. Until then feel free to continue to practice your political science analysis to your heart’s content.
Are you sleep-walking Thomas R.?
EGV wrote, in reply to my comment:
Paladin – You Catholics and all your moral equations.
:) We do that, don’t we?
Look, I’m saying that if God is going to look at me one day and pull out every person I voted for, and my choice is between a party that loves other’s money, puts solutions in Government, and supports abortion – or a party that clings to their guns, hasn’t found a war that they don’t like, and demonizes the poor – then the best choice, by far, hands down, without question – is not voting.
(*sigh*) I don’t suppose another lecture to you about avoiding all-or-nothing, broad-brush slogans would do you any good? Even your portrayal of Democrats wasn’t fair, this time!
But surely you know that God *will* be face-to-face with you, one day (after your life on earth comes to an end), and that He will certainly require an accounting for every last choice you ever made? (There’s no worry of running out of time for that, in eternity.) To the extent that we have any knowledge or freedom at all, we are morally responsible for every choice we make. And God will not be put off the point by stump-speeches, bumper-stickers, or slogans. To wit:
Some Democrats might love and covet the money of others; but some Republicans do, as well; it’s not just to portray the Democrats as being defined by that characteristic.
Putting solutions in government is not evil, by definition; it depends entirely on what problem one is trying to “solve”, and by what means one tries to do so. (That’s another of those “moral equations”, by the way! :) )
Supporting abortion is absolutely and intrinsically evil, and nothing–not even a guarantee of feeding every last person in the world plentifully, ending all wars forever, and ridding the world of all other crimes until the world’s end–justifies it; I’ll agree with you, there.
“Clinging to guns” (and I’ll pass over the pejorative hyperbole implied in the word “cling”, as opposed to “objecting to having one’s rightful property confiscated without just cause”) is not evil.
You’d be very hard-pressed to prove that each and every member of the GOP “likes every war they see”; that’s a hysterical bumper-sticker, not a true objection.
“Demonises the poor”? Take this as an intellectual exercise: compare all Democrat examples of the GOP “demonising the poor”, and contrast it with GOP accusations of Democrats “demonising the rich” (demonising any human being is morally wrong, anyway)–and see if there’s any appreciable difference. In other words: I do think that this is yet another empty slogan of yours.
Re: the best choice when (or if) voting: see my previous comment (and Del’s far more articulate one) about using one’s vote to minimise evil.
Oh no “reality,” on the contrary. I am sober to the fact that the American people speak and O with his fellow dems are tuned out and march to their own drum. Ratings speak louder than any justification you or Ex can offer here. All this talk about veto power is only a testament that some do not believe the voice of the American people as reflected in the plummeting ratings, matters. What type of “democracy” do you promote?
O awarded Bill Clinton and Gloria Steinem among some others today with the Presidential Medal of Freedom…
I guess Bill Clinton earned it for starting the US on the path of financial and real estate market collapse we’re still reeling from, and Steinem got it for supporting the democratic party’s sole mission. Give it to O, afterall his highness was a recipient of the Nobel for no apparent reason…
Bit of a stretch to lay out an extended scenario based on five minutes of poor ratings isn’t it “thomas r.”.
They’ll come back up. As will obamacare approval ratings.
Veto power is so the products of lunacy can be dispensed with.
I promote the type of democracy where a comparative handful of extremist wackos in congress can’t hold a nation to ransom.
5 minutes of poor ratings? Are you an Eastern European? I ask because you don’t sound very sober :)
It seems you might find a good otologist useful ;-)
Thomas – I know you took exception to me questioning if you knew about presidential elections…but now I must ask – how often does health care reform have to be renewed? You said that is how the GOP is going to get out of it – they won’t ‘renew’ it – your words.
So let me know that schedule.
Paladin
Thanks for your posts – you’ve laid out this thought before, and the number one take away I have from it is that I’m glad I’m not Catholic.
Hope all is well though.
“The polls all show that when you shift the conversation from `support or oppose’ to ‘fix versus repeal,’ Democrats have the advantage,” – Matt Canter.
If it’s a lemon, the dems will turn it into lemonade. The gop would toss it and throw peanuts.
“I’m glad I’m not Catholic.”
Ex-RINO, I suppose you could call yourself Catholic but in reality it is not possible, at least not as long as you support people’s ‘right’ to kill babies in the womb.
truth
…and the fact that I wasn’t raised Catholic and am not a Catholic. Those are the more obvious reasons why I said “I’m not Catholic”.
Even of your church stands with you; there is no righteous in numbers; it is heresy for any Christian denomination NOT to stand up and speak out to protect unborn children from the holocaust of abortion in our society.
not as long as you support people’s ‘right’ to kill babies in the womb. – since when has Ex-GOP been pro-choice?
Reality, Since he started voting Democrat.
So tell me truthseeker, which republican president, congress or senate since roe v wade has made abortion illegal?
Reality, a person who is truly pro-life does not give up and vote Democrat; they keep fighting till the holocaust is ended.
Hello Ex:
Your new strategy is to pick at the way I express myself, good. Please continue your wise political science analysis while ACA and O’s ratings continue to fall.
The American people whose voices were totally disregarded by the dems (they don’t count as long as O has veto power, right) will prevail.
You didn’t answer the question truthseeker. That’s ok, we both know what the answer is.
There is no holocaust.
while ACA and O’s ratings continue to fall. – are you sleep-walking again?
thomas -
No, I’m trying to make you back up your statements so that they just aren’t a pile of nothing words.
You specifically said that Health Care Reform will not get renewed – “Republicans will regain the majority, the American people will elect a Republican and ACA will not be renewed.”
Are you aware that this is a law that doesn’t need a renewal?
So again, how do you see this all working?
Without taking a “political” look at it, I didn’t like that “Obamacare” took up 2700 pages of text. The gov’t sucks at doing many things. Not everything, but usually the private sector is way better.
I guess there’s no change for me and my wife. I’ve got health insurance through my employer, pretty good insurance, at that, and my wife (High School teacher) gets it through hers. Maybe no change for us. But if a country is going to have “national healthcare,” then an efficient, rational, single-payer system is the only way to go.
Just have to shake my head at the people who are simply “for” this new deal, without realizing how complex it is, and who are often just “for it” because on balance they are for Obama.
With the way health care costs have been increasing, I think it’s just a big mess.
And whether one worries about it being an “Obama” deal or a “Democratic” thing, it’s taking place with the backdrop of the continued destruction of the US currency, and the heinous debt being piled up.
Doug,
You and your wife (and me and my family) will likely be affected soon too. They estimate that when the employer mandate reprieve expires next year 70% of people getting employer coverage will lose it.
Hey truth –
You are a liar.
Furthermore truth – even if it was true, which it is not – you should be the first one elated – you support Paul Ryan’s plan, which seeks to significantly drive people from employer coverage unto the general market.