Stanek weekend question: Why don’t abortion supporters believe the abortionists?
From moderator Carla comes a simple question: Why don’t those who support abortion believe what abortionists say about it?
For example, abortionist Curtis Boyd, who runs late-term clinics in Dallas and Albuquerque, made a “jarring admission” during an interview with WFAA in 2009:
“Am I killing?” Boyd said. “Yes, I am. I know that.”
During questioning in court in 1997 regarding his opposition to the Nebraska Partial Birth Abortion Ban, late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart testified:
Attorney for the Defense: In that situation… are you… when you pull on the arm and remove it, is the fetus still alive?
Carhart: Yes.
Late-term abortionist Warren Hern’s website, on third trimester abortions:
At this point, termination of pregnancy is considered a far more dangerous procedure and carries with it serious risks of complication.
Abortionists admit they’re killing babies, that older babies are still alive when drawn-and-quartered, and that late-term abortions are dangerous to mothers, etc., etc., etc. Why do pro-choicers ignore, deny, or minimize what their very own medical professionals say about abortion?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Once you dupe yourself into supporting abortion, logic is no longer in the equation. It is emotive self-defense of one’s own actions or participation in abortion. No amount of “proof” will matter as logic is not applied to the decision.
Because the heart wants what it wants. If prochoice mom doesn’t her want baby, she won’t have her baby.
For a while I have prayed that God would give these moms a love for their preborn babies because if they love their baby, they won’t kill their baby. It’s a matter of the heart and whether it is a heart of stone or a heart of flesh.
LL
Well, nobody wants to admit to supporting evil, so if denying facts helps one avoid admitting as such, that’s what one tends to do.
Abortion supporters have always known that abortion is killing. They have to minimize this, because they can’t sell abortions if women think about it too much.
But they believe that killing is an okay solution for solving some problem.
Their only moral requirement is that the victim must be silent and helpless.
When the pro-aborts hear their abortionists admit that abortion kills a child, they just turn up their internal filters. “Yeah, sure, uh, that ‘fetus’ is sort of alive, in a way of speaking. Doesn’t matter, anyway.”
But how can proaborts continually spout “a buncha cells” or “blobs of tissue” which flies in the face of those that DO ABORTIONS FOR A LIVING?? They pull off the little arms and legs, they see the torso and the head, they crush the skull and remove that precious body in pieces.
Do they not hold them in high regard? Respect them? Agree that what they do is a “necessary evil?” Good grief. Tiller was considered a HERO!! Abortionists carry out the killing. From the horses mouth we get the truth.
Reality? CC? Hal? Megs? Joan?
What say ye?
I stand with Miss Carla this morning. wanting to hear from our proaborts! (not Reality, though. Cray.)
As far as I know, not one abortion supporter has ever been able to answer this question to any reasonable satisfaction: what is it about a mother wanting her child to be born that actually confers personhood upon the baby? What is this magical “wantedness”? that is THE gamechanger in the world of personhood vs. buncha cells??
And further: if an abortionist can admit abortion is the killing of a human, will you still stand in opposition to him or her just because, well, acknowledging that fact and still supporting the procedure would make you a monster??
The abortion supporters DO believe the abortionists…they just don’t want to admit it and face it. This is why they recoil in absolute horor at the photos of abortion or say they are faked. HEARING it from a doctor who actually DOES it is way easier than SEEING it. Out of sight, out of mind.
All for the precious right to “choose” regardless of the blatant evidence and their overwhelming selfishness and denial.
Ultrasound is the pro-aborts worse nightmare. Why else do the “dead babies are us” fear it so much ? You can’t FAKE an ultrasound.
Why do you think pro abortion people have long insisted on being called “pro-choice”?
I remember when “choice” wasn’t part of their vocabulary. It was “abortion reform”, “abortion rights”, ‘repeal abortion laws” etc. It was about abortion, period. At least they called it what it was.
Only 1% of pregancies are aborted in the third trimester. Why don’t you guys help needy children that are alive instead of bitching about things you will never be able to control
“Why don’t you guys help needy children that are alive instead of bitching about things you will never be able to control”
Who says we can’t do both?
And fetuses are alive until someone kills them.
Jessica Taylor says:
November 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Only 1% of pregancies are aborted in the third trimester. Why don’t you guys help needy children that are alive instead of bitching about things you will never be able to control.
Actually, we do a great deal to help needy children and their mothers. The pro-life movement has three main parts:
– Advocating for laws that protect children in the womb from murder by abortion.
– Pregnancy Resource centers for mothers who need help in keeping and caring for their children, so they can have a real choice and alternative to abortion.
– Care and healing for women who suffer from previous abortions.
We also concern ourselves with fighting against euthanasia, and we are concerned with the damage that premature hyper-sexuality does to young people. But the list above are the main three concerns. These are where we put our money and our efforts.
Now, dear sweet Jessica Taylor — the abortion doctors admit, some under sworn testimony, that abortion kills a living child. How do you feel about this? Do you believe them? Does it matter? Why not?
Jessica Taylor,
I suppose if only 1% of women in this country were beaten by their husbands, that would make wife abuse not so bad, right?
Also Jessica, what do abortion advocates do to help needy children? Please be specific.
We’ve had 40 years of legal abortion. Why do we even have needy children? I thought legal abortion meant no more poverty, unwanted children, and welfare dependency.
Mary says:
November 16, 2013 at 3:24 pm
We’ve had 40 years of legal abortion. Why do we even have needy children? I thought legal abortion meant no more poverty, unwanted children, and welfare dependency.
Sadly, the pro-aborts still believe that. They insist that our problem is that there is not enough abortion. We need more “abortion access.” We need taxpayer funding for women who can’t afford to pay for their abortions. We need to consider urging women “more forcefully” to consider abortion as the best choice.
And, as always, we need more “education and contraception.” Because pro-aborts know what is best for preventing abortions.
Even Colorado abortionist Warren Hern admits he kills babies. One evening Hern received a phone call from a friend of his while he was working late at his office …The friend joked “Still killing babies at this hour Warren?” And the 2 chuckled. Might as well keep it real. Hern does!
Wel Jessica Taylor, how funny you should say that. We talked a woman out of aborting her 5 month old son at my local PP this summer. She is due next month. A church bought the family a minivan (this will be her fifth child) and we have bought groceries for the family, clothes and diapers for the new baby AND her toddler and toys for the older kids. We are helping them in many ways financial and emotional. So weird huh? That we can actually help already born kids AND unborn kids? That we don’t need to kill pain-feeling human fetuses in order to solve problems?
Jessica, What have you and abortion supporters done to help needy children? I never received one crumb of tangible assistance from a pro-choice organization to help me carry my unplanned, single motherhood, living paycheck to paycheck, pregnancy to term. They told me my pregnancy test was positive and hung up.
Needy children have not gone away since Roe and are a shared responsibility. Childhood poverty is not simply a pro-life problem.
Child abuse hasnt stopped since abortion was legal.
Somethingvery strange happened here last night. I live in a special needs building designed for disabled (we all are in wheelchairs) adults and we get assistance from our staff 24/7. Anyway a newer member of the staff was recognized by a visitor for the very strong resemblance she has to her Dad. Val is way too ‘cold’ for this kind of work. The conversation Val had with this visitor was to-me, weird because it was the very first time I saw Val animated about anything. Their topic was Fight Night – pay-per-view for MNA-wrestling. It is by-far the most intense form of physical ‘sport’.
I wondered how Val got trapped into believing that CRUEL is COOL.
I believe what they say about it, when they are being serious rather than ‘taking the mickey’ out of anti-choicers.
Killing something which is alive is killing. Cutting down trees, slaughtering pigs etc. are all ‘killing’. What matters is what and why. Those who focus on the fetus just don’t accept the necessity. They aren’t concerned with the negative life-long impacts which can ensue from an unwanted pregnancy.
Humanity has sought ways of preventing and terminating pregnancy from the moment we figured out how it happens. That’s not going to stop.
Of course a third trimester termination has higher risk. But what are the risks if it isn’t done and how high are they? There are very few third trimester terminations and they aren’t usually done for the same reasons as first trimester terminations. Taking a view which doesn’t address all the reasons and pertinent factors lacks merit.
What abortion doctors do is a necessity. There’s nothing ‘evil’ about it. Every branch of medicine has some quacks and rogues. They tend to get caught up with. That should include those in the abortion field.
what is it about a mother wanting her child to be born that actually confers personhood upon the baby? – it’s a subjective thing. Like referring to a six week fetus as a ‘pre-born woman’ (ludicrous). The science is the objective parameter.
Ultrasounds aren’t a ‘nightmare’. Forcing women who don’t want them to have them is however. And how keen are you on ultrasounds when they show an abnormality which leads many women to choose to terminate?
Are you still providing ongoing support when those children reach 10, 12 or 15 Del?
Ascertaining the level of needy children and other social impacts which may have been reached if abortion had remained illegal is something we cannot do. Who knows what level of squalor and abuse may exist if it had.
Abortion isn’t ‘nice’ but a world in which it didn’t exist would be worse.
Why does the word ‘fetus’ exist?
Reality, why do you assume that every child who is not aborts is going to be living in poverty and squalor? There are millions of people in the world, including some people here, that have been born under less than ideal circumstances or have had traumatic childhoods but are doing just fine. Do you have a crystal ball? Middle class and wealthy women have abortions, too, btw.
Because he’s being super classist.
why do you assume that every child who is not aborts is going to be living in poverty and squalor? – why do you assume I assume that? I inferred no such thing.
There are millions of people in the world, including some people here, that have been born under less than ideal circumstances or have had traumatic childhoods but are doing just fine. – indeed there are.
Do you have a crystal ball? – no I don’t. That’s why I said that ascertaining the levels of such things for comparison cannot be done.
Middle class and wealthy women have abortions, too, btw – yes they do.
Do you have a point phillymiss?
‘super classist’ – that’s funny Jack.
Why does the word ‘fetus’ exist?
The word exists “reality” so that states can enact fetal homicide laws.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Is your state on the list. Fetal homicide laws are putting a big dent in your love affair tmeister. Fetal homicide is incompatible with abortion and pro-aborts know it but nonetheless states are defying your kind.
Other than that what was your point anyway.
I thought women were only asked if they wanted to look at the ultrasound, not forced to. I wasn’t even forced to look at the SCALE during my physical last week! Maybe I should have actually, but that’s another story. <g>
Women are asked if they want to see the ultrasound.
There is no force involved in viewing the ultrasound of their fully alive baby.
The only force that happens is when the cervix is forced open and the baby is forcefully removed from her home.
Reality,
YES or NO?
Do you believe the abortionists when they tell you that they tear the arms off of a fetus, he/she is still alive?
Enough bloviating.
Thomas R. says:
November 18, 2013 at 10:30 am
“Why does the word ‘fetus’ exist?”
I admit it: I don’t read Reality’s posts anymore. I just skip over them while hearing pig grunts in my head. I recommend that everyone else do the same.
Anyhow, the word fetus exists for the same reason that we have words like toddler, teenager, middle-aged and senior citizen.
It often suits us to talk about our fellow human beings with regard to their stages of natural development.
My point is that you seem to think that children born under less than perfect circumstances are doomed to live miserable lives, and this is not true.
Look at Klebold and Harris, the two punks who shot up Columbine High School. They came from upper-middle class backgrounds and two parent homes, and at least on the surface seemed to be good kids from good homes, but they killed more than ten people, and the survivors are still suffering.
Did you ever hear of Andrew Luster? He was heir to the Max Factor fortune, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, yet he was a monster who drugged women, raped them, and videotaped them. He is now in jail for fifty years.
None of us can predict how a child is going to turn out just from the circumstances of his or her birth.
Phillymis: my boys will always be perfect in every way, father knows best :)
Really “thomas r.”? The word ‘fetus’ was created umpteen centuries ago specifically to enable some 21st century laws? Interesting concept.
Did you read the laws you linked to? Or did you read stuff into them?
Alive in what way Carla? To what extent?
I just skip over them while hearing pig grunts in my head. – perhaps you could see someone in the medical field about that?
Thank you for your contribution re ‘fetus’ though Del.
you seem to think that children born under less than perfect circumstances are doomed to live miserable lives – you seem to be reading something I didn’t write. How many ways do I need to repeat that I said we don’t know, we have no way of telling, we can’t make a comparison?
Alive in what way?
Um. The not dead way.
Never mind.
There is no point in feeding you.
It’s not as simple and straight forward as you might like it to be Carla.