Journal of Public Health publishes study linking autism to vaccines made with aborted fetal cells
I’ve written previously (here and here) about the possible connection between autism and vaccines made with aborted fetal cells.
Now, the September issue of the prestigious Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology has published a study conducted by scientists at Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute that shows an spike in autism in country after country where vaccines using fetal cells from aborted babies have been introduced.
The implicated vaccines are MMR (measles/mumps/rubella), Varicella (chickenpox), and Hepatitis A.
Using data from the U.S. government, United Kingdom, Denmark, and Western Australia, researchers found a spike in autism around the world after vaccines using animal cells were replaced by vaccines using aborted fetal cells:
Autistic disorder birth year change points were identified as 1980.9, 1988.4 and 1996 for the US, 1987 for the UK, 1990.4 for Western Australia, and 1987.5 for Denmark. Change points in these countries corresponded to introduction of or increased doses of human fetal cell line-manufactured vaccines….
This pattern was repeated in the US, UK, Western Australia and Denmark. Thus, rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells. Increased paternal age and DSM revisions were not related to rising autistic disorder prevalence.
Lead researcher Dr. Theresa Deisher noted something more alarming, “Not only are the human fetal contaminated vaccines associated with autistic disorder throughout the world, but also with epidemic childhood leukemia and lymphomas.”
Right to Life of Michigan goes into great detail explaining the origin of the aborted fetal cell vaccine lines. The implicated manufacturers are Barr Labs, GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, and Sanofi Pasteur.
The RTL Michigan website lists other vaccines using aborted fetal cells and some alternatives. Unfortunately, there are currently no approved alternatives to the MMR, Varicella or Hepatitis A vaccines.
CDC and FDA implicated in cover-up
The bombshells don’t stop. From Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute’s press release announcing the publication:
Their study comes on the heels of recent breaking news that the CDC deliberately withheld evidence of the significant increase in autism among African-American boys who were vaccinated prior to 36 months of age.
So it should come as no surprise that the FDA has known for decades about the dangers of insertional mutagenesis by using the human fetal cell lines and yet, they chose to ignore it. Instead of conducting safety studies they regulated the amount of human DNA that could be present in a vaccine to no greater than 10ng.
Unfortunately, Dr. Deisher’s team discovered that the fetal DNA levels ranged anywhere from 142ng – 2000ng per dose, way beyond the so-called “safe” level.
“There are a large number of publications about the presence of HERV (human endogenous retrovirus – the only re-activatable endogenous retrovirus) and its association with childhood lymphoma,” noted Dr Deisher. “The MMR II and chickenpox vaccines and indeed all vaccines that were propagated or manufactured using the fetal cell line WI-38 are contaminated with this retrovirus. And both parents and physicians have a right to know this!”
Certainly these discoveries by SCPI should generate an immediate investigation by FDA officials, if not an outright ban on the use of aborted fetal cell lines as substrates for vaccine production. There are numerous other non-human FDA-approved cell lines that can and should be used.
Wow – I will have to spend some time with the article to see what is going on. Hopefully this is a good analysis. The journal is not any sort of top journal, so I can’t quite depend on that.
Some newer journals follow an “open-access” model where the journal is not under pressure to sell journal subscriptions. So, where does the money come from? The authors; the author pays a fee – which can range from a few hundred to a couple thousand – once the paper passes review.
Many of these open-access journals are legit, but they just do not have the level of critical peer review that more recognized journals have.
This aspect will be a point of criticism.
But the truth is that this paper probably could not get published any other way. The traditional medical/research establishment is very much pro-abortion.
This will get a lot of attention, and then the issue will be “on the map.” Then, other investigations can be done, and will be in more recognized papers. If this finding holds up when investigated a couple ways, this will be the end of this autism risk. The autism-advocacy groups will not let anything slip by.
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“But the truth is that this paper probably could not get published any other way. The traditional medical/research establishment is very much pro-abortion.”
Do not agree. Considering the huge amount of people in this country who are going all “no vaccines” (really, really poor idea), I think the traditional journals would jump on it if it’s sound research with good methodology. It would probably bump up their subscriptions significantly imo.
The only thing that I think might make them wary (unless the study actually sucks, we don’t know that yet) is that the last guy who tried to connect autism to vaccination falsified his research and data, caused international harm, and caused Lancet tons of embarrassment. There’s a pretty powerful anti-vaccination movement attempting to link autism and vaccines and their studies have all been bunk so far. I’m reserving judgment on the science until it is vetted better.
Don’t think they should use aborted fetal cell lines regardless. That’s unethical even if this study isn’t sound.
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I remain personally convinced that sonograms are the culprit. They are done at every stage of pregnancy, from early on.
There has always been autism, just like there has always been cancer. Pregnant mothers were assured decades ago that fetal x-rays were “safe”, just as women are assured today that sonograms are “safe, until a sudden rise in childhood leukemia put the kibosh to that.
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Omg my daughterhad ALL…that kid who had the bucket of yuk dumped on him that happened at MY HIGH SCHOOL!!!!
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Mary you could be correct. When I asked the docs how this happened they replied “We dont know.” It was a frustrating time.
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I have a hard time seeing how sounds waves could harm a developing baby’s neurology. Babies in utero are surrounded by all kinda sounds.
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On autism…ive heard both sides of the debate ever since Jenny M. brought it to the light. Many ( the majority ) off the feedback dismisses her as a Hollywood nut job/Sorry Jenny. But some people are agreeing with her. Im no expert I havent studied it so I dont have an opinion.
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I have always thought there was/is a connection with vaccines & autism. ALWAYS… I haven’t witnessed the connection w/ultrasounds. In my personal experience… I had high risk pregnancies with my babies. My Doctor was very concerned and I had MANY ultrasounds. Both of my children were in the gifted programs at school. My son received numerous scholarships and is in college & my daughter is in honors classes. I feel extremely blessed by this…By no means am I bragging. (I struggled in school) I also believe there is a strong connection with over the counter meds taken during pregnancy & Autism. I ONLY took the medicines approved by my Doctor & some women think b/c it’s over the counter its safe to take during pregnancy.
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The last Democrat, ultrasound is a type of sound wave, yes, but not the same type of ‘sound’ as say, a trumpet blast. Ultrasound waves are used to break up kidney stones in some therapies because the intense heat and vibration caused by directed ultrasound waves cause the stone to shake apart into tiny pieces. Ultrasound is used in physical therapy to treat everything from migraines to torn muscles because, again, the heat and vibration caused in muscle tissue has marked effects in the human body. Ultrasound was never tested in pregnant women, there has never been a test comparing large scale outcomes of babies who have not been exposed to ultrasound verses those who have. But there have been small scale tests that show various levels of statistically valid harm caused to the babies exposed to ultrasound. Nothing definitive is known because no one has ever looked. The technology was universally welcomed as such a breakthrough-after all before that the only option was xray!-that they didn’t stop to check if it was safe. Today they have careful stipulations on how long to leave the wand in one place while doing an ultrasound, to minimize the potential heating effect on developing human tissue, but almost no ultrasound techs actually follow it for the simple reason that it’s nearly impossible to get your measurements *and* follow the time limit. With 3d and 4d ultrasounds the risks are potentially much greater, since the wand must be stiller longer and the waves are much more intense. But, again, no one stopped to check. Likewise handheld dopplers are now being using for checking heartbeat-requiring the ultrasound wand to be still and focused on the baby for a prolonged length of time (comparatively speaking) while the heartbeat is counted. It’s a lot more complicated than ‘noise’.
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I’m certain any number of pregnant women who had fetal x-rays did not have children who developed leukemia. That didn’t disprove a connection.
You can view the research on the internet and draw your own conclusions. Personally, I have my suspicions. I don’t believe the increase in autism is because of “better diagnosis”.
A friend of mine who taught special ed for 40 years is convinced vaccines cause NO problems, but is open to the possibility of ultrasound.
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My oldest child has autism and she’s never had a vaccine derived from aborted fetal stem cells. I’ve also had the same number of ultrasounds with each child (basically 2 per pregnancy, and 4 with my last pregnancy) and only one of my kids (so far, anyway) has autism. So… I’m still thinking the cause might be partially genetic, and that a rise can be attributed to the fact that we have more detailed diagnostic criteria now. Maybe kids who are considered autistic today weren’t labeled as such 30 years ago.
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At least 30 legitimate studies have been done on vaccines and their is no link!!! Should we trust this one that suggests something in a third rate journal rather than the trained doctors? This scientist is raising money for her own biotech company. No one accepts her research not because she is a persecuted prolifer but because her research is bunk.
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JoAnna,
People have always been viewed as having personality quirks and weird behavior. That’s what it was considered, not autism. Now it might be “diagnosed” as autism.
I can remember when seeing an autistic child was rare, maybe because they were often misdiagnosed as “retarded” or simply locked away.
But it does seem to me that the surge in autistic diagnoses has coincided with the surge in the use of ultrasound.
Yes there may be a genetic element, but I’m not convinced. I see a correlation, or shall I should say anecdotal evidence.
When someone I respect as much as my friend who spent years as a spec.ed. teacher agrees it may be possible that ultrasound is the culprit, that she has seen a definite increase in autism, then I really have to be highly suspicious. Maybe our efforts to detect, treat, or eliminate human defects, are only creating more of them in the long run.
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Dr. Theresa Deisher isn’t respected much by other researchers. She has been using the same hypothesis for years, and it seems she skews her research to match her own feelings. That is not the way true research is conducted, and as such, her findings will never be accepted by the general public. Kind of like that “The sky is falling!” character.
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This might help to explain Nanzi Polezei’s erratic behavior.
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With all those collagen injections Nanzi has received over the decades, in a failed attempt to appear younger than she is, there is high probability that some of the collagen was harvested from aborted babies.
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This study is showing a link to an increase in autism and the use of fetal cells in vaccines. This does not mean that autism does not also have other causes. A condition can have multiple causes. Therefore, Autism can be both genetic *and* triggered by an environmental factor, such as human DNA injected into individuals with young, developing brains.
I am surprised that no one has commented on the cover-up of the data by the CDA & FDA exposing the link which is being exposed in this article. Why no comments on this?
Another point about the FDA & CDS: they are pushing the HPV vaccine which is known to cause serious reactions and even death in many girls. The FDA pedaled the abortion pill, and we know that has resulted in many deaths of women. They have also recommended and promoted the Hepatitis shot for infants without any new research to prove that it is safe for this population; nor is this population at-risk. These are serious questions that everyone needs to be asking themselves.
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“the cover-up of the data by the CDA & FDA exposing the link which is being exposed in this article. Why no comments on this?” – not ‘exposing’ invalid data =/= cover-up.
“Another point about the FDA & CDS: they are pushing the HPV vaccine which is known to cause serious reactions and even death in many girls.” – is it? Has it? Or is that just tales spread by those who think that vaccinating against HPV = instant nymphomania.
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Why no concern about the routine and frequent use of ultrasound? Maybe because no one wants to acknowledge that this “safe” and routinely used screening device may not be as safe as everyone wants to believe?
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What makes you think ultrasound may be a risk Mary? I’ve had a few myself in recent years (not that I’m particularly concerned).
Could some here not be expressing concern because of the constant push by anti-choicers to force women to have ultrasounds in the hope they’ll change their minds about aborting?
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Mary: I remain personally convinced that sonograms are the culprit. They are done at every stage of pregnancy, from early on.
There has always been autism, just like there has always been cancer. Pregnant mothers were assured decades ago that fetal x-rays were “safe”, just as women are assured today that sonograms are “safe, until a sudden rise in childhood leukemia put the kibosh to that.
Mary, could be. I don’t know about sonograms, at all, but that there are effects from being hit with radiation – regardless of just where in the electromagnetic spectrum it comes from – makes a gut basic sense to me.
A new, big coming thing is “wireless charging” or inductive charging where one doesn’t have to hook up wires to charge a battery. Could be a phone, a watch, a car….
Apple made news very recently, talking about this, and I saw a bigshot from Intel talking about it this week, too. Well, there has to be an electromagnetic field generated for the transfer of power, and it brings to mind one more source of radiation that we are to be exposed to.
I assume that for really small stuff like phones, the field will only have much strength over a small distance, i.e. you have to put the phone right close to the charger, but it’s still one more thing giving off radiation…
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Reality,
Its my opinion, and I could be wrong, that this procedure is not as benign as we have been led to believe. Its accepted by all, and yes that includes PL people, that ultrasounds are completely safe for prenatal use. Maybe they are. But I remember when x-rays were perfectly safe as well. Until the increased incidence of childhood leukemia.
It seems to me the rise in autism is correlating with the routine use of ultrasound. Internet research has reinforced my opinion. Again, one can do their own research and draw their own conclusions. If I’m proven wrong, fine.
People claim they had ultrasounds with no ill effects. Great. People have all kinds of x-rays and no cancer. This proves what? That x-rays are completely harmless?
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Hi Doug,
Some articles I have read have raised concerns about the heat and noise generated by the sonogram. What may not be noticed by you or me may be very significant to the developing fetus, especially in the earliest stages.
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I hear what you are saying Mary. The problem is that I think we might be some way from verifying any negative impacts and to what extent they may occur. Even once we possess that information we need to balance it against verifiable positive impacts ultrasounds may have delivered.
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the prestigious Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology
Oh no, no, no… :P
This is not peer-reviewed. The only “review,” here, is if somebody has the money or not. ‘Academic Journals’ is the publisher, a known “predatory publisher” that will print anything somebody wants printed, the only thing required being the payment to ‘Academic Journals.’
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vaccines using animal cells were replaced by vaccines using aborted fetal cells
Well now wait a minute… ;)
What we actually have are lines of human cells. These cell lines are used to grow the viruses with which vaccines are made.
There are not “aborted fetal cells” in the vaccines. There are cell lines extending back years and decades, whether the original cells came from an aborted fetus or not. As the cell lines are used, they are thousands (millions?) of cell divisions removed from the original cells.
Moreover, these were genetically normal fetuses from genetically normal families.
Even the Catholic Church realizes that this is not any big deal.
According to the National Catholic Bioethics Center, “One is morally free to use the vaccine regardless of its historical association with abortion. The reason is that the risk to public health, if one chooses not to vaccinate, outweighs the legitimate concern about the origins of the vaccine.
I read the above at: http://catholicreview.org/article/life/life-news/playing-god-part-2-church-a-strong-supporter-of-stem-cell-research-just-not-with-embryos
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There is much to argue about here. I see a bunch of bad science and curve-fitted data. I think that the authors of the “study” do a lot of confusing correlation for causation.
So it should come as no surprise that the FDA has known for decades about the dangers of insertional mutagenesis by using the human fetal cell lines and yet, they chose to ignore it. Instead of conducting safety studies they regulated the amount of human DNA that could be present in a vaccine to no greater than 10ng.
Unfortunately, Dr. Deisher’s team discovered that the fetal DNA levels ranged anywhere from 142ng – 2000ng per dose, way beyond the so-called “safe” level.
Who says there are “dangers” in the first place? Even if we go with what is stated, above, no safety studies were done. Who is to to say that 10 nanograms means anything, or that up to 2000 nanograms means anything?
We are talking about microgram quantities at the most, and this is not taking into account that it’s easy to mistake RNA for DNA. Regardless, to think that such a tiny quantity, injected into the body’s muscles, could get into the brain (it would have to cross the blood-brain barrier) and then join with the person’s native DNA to cause meaningful changes in the brain, is exceedingly far-fetched.
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Their study comes on the heels of recent breaking news that the CDC deliberately withheld evidence of the significant increase in autism among African-American boys who were vaccinated prior to 36 months of age.
In that paragraph of the blog post, above, there is a link – the “CDC deliberately withheld evidence” part. It goes to:
http://www.examiner.com/article/whistleblower-reveals-cdc-cover-up-linking-mmr-vaccine-to-autism
Here, let’s look at some other “examiner.com” posts. :P
“U.S. to bomb moon on UFO witness John Lennon’s birthday”
“Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent”
Those are at http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-to-bomb-moon-on-ufo-witness-john-lennon-s-birthday and http://www.examiner.com/article/official-disclosure-of-extraterrestrial-life-is-imminent
This is stuff where they are trying to get people to click on it, regardless of any validity or not, so they can charge more for the accompanying advertisements.
The information presented about the CDC and autism and vaccines is woefully incomplete, and enormously selective – intended to elicit responses that are not based on the true reality of the situation.
If the “magic” of brain-changes from some tiny amount of DNA that was given by injection into one’s muscles, that matter then somehow getting into the brain, was fact, then gene therapy would be child’s play (which it most assuredly is not).
You think it’s “easy” to get DNA into a cell? It’s not, it’s really tough, even if if it’s just one cell in a laboratory.
People are worried about microgram or less quantities of DNA in a vaccination? What’s a pint weigh – 500 million micrograms? So you get a blood transfusion, now think about that. You are getting many millions, even billions, of cells that have DNA in them.
We are exposed to other DNA all the time. We breathe in other people’s skin cells, and animal skin cells. We touch other people, animals, etc. We eat many foods….
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““Another point about the FDA & CDS: they are pushing the HPV vaccine which is known to cause serious reactions and even death in many girls.” – is it? Has it? Or is that just tales spread by those who think that vaccinating against HPV = instant nymphomania.”
Research seems to indicate that it’s safer for boys than girls, but the serious reactions are an extremely small percentage of cases (TYLENOL has more deaths and serious reactions, I really wish people looked at things rationally), and they were way overhyped by both anti-vaccine people in general and those who believe vaccinating against a sexually transmitted disease encourages promiscuity.
Like I said in my last comment, all the studies linking vaccines to autism have been shown to be bunk so far, if not outright falsified like the original studied that started the anti-vax “causes autism” fad (fed into by idiot celebrities like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey who wouldn’t know good methodology and statistical methods if it hit them in the head). I’m reserving judgment on this study but I’m skeptical as heck. I haven’t had a chance to look into it yet but most of these studies completely ignore other correlating factors and assume causation, or have a tiny sample size, or a handpicked sample size, or other methodology problems, which is why they don’t pass peer review in rigorous publications.
But I’m against using aborted fetal cell lines in developing vaccines anyway, regardless of whether or not it’s a link to autism.
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Julie: Therefore, Autism can be both genetic *and* triggered by an environmental factor, such as human DNA injected into individuals with young, developing brains.
I am surprised that no one has commented on the cover-up of the data by the CDA & FDA exposing the link which is being exposed in this article. Why no comments on this?
Julie, I’ve got one post “in moderation” since it’s got multiple links in it.
The “cover-up” – what do you think is actually there, that would in any way support the “insertional mutagenesis” theory?
We get blasted all the time, from birth, by huge numbers of viruses, all manner of DNA that’s not our own, and now supposedly an incredibly small amount of DNA, injected into our muscles, can somehow travel to the brain (in sufficient quantities to make a meaningful difference – a very doubtful thing, given the initial quantity), get past the blood-brain barrier (the “sufficient quantities” thing now applying doubly and trebly), get into the center of neural cells (“sufficient quantities” practically ad infinitum) and affect enough of them for “autism” to then be the diagnosis where before it was not present?
This is simply not realistic. It’s not the way molecular biology works.
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The Right to Life of Michigan link –
http://www.rtl.org/prolife_issues/LifeNotes/VaccinesAbortion_FetalTissue.html
does have some good information, IMO. I can’t argue with hardly any of the facts presented.
In fact, it’s just one little thing…. The bottom of the third paragraph:
The vaccines themselves do not contain fetal cells,….
Okay so far…
but it is presumed that there is “residual” biological matter from the fetal cells that has been assimilated into the vaccine.
Auuugggghhhhhh… Say what?
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Doug: “Mary, could be. I don’t know about sonograms, at all, but that there are effects from being hit with radiation – regardless of just where in the electromagnetic spectrum it comes from – makes a gut basic sense to me.”
Oops – sound waves aren’t part of the electromagnetic spectrum. They are longitudinal pressure waves, rather than transverse electromagnetic waves. I do think that the higher the frequency, the higher the energy, as with electromagnetic waves, and for breaking down kidney stones, higher frequency sound waves are used.
For fetal sonograms, the normal procedure is that the lowest useful sonic setting is used, “as low as reasonably practicable,” as they say.
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Hi Doug,
I never said anything about radiation. Its the sound waves that are a concern. Consider this is a developing, very immature nervous system. What we think is low and useful may be very damaging to the immature fetal nervous system and brain. Is much noise generated? How about heat? Those are the two factors raising concerns in some article I have read.
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This study is incredibly bad “science.” No Catholic should be deceived into thinking otherwise. Rational Catholic Blog has begun its series criticizing Deisher’s work on the merits of the ‘study” alone:
http://rationalcatholicblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/the-problems-with-deishers-study-part-i-the-numbers/
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Mary, yeah – it was me that mentioned radiation and the ‘E-Mag’ spectrum…. Was not thinking right, there.
For sure, heating and physical force can be imparted to tissue by ultrasonic waves. At some point, lasting damage would be done.
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Reality 12:31am
Excellent point. But I don’t think anyone really wants to verify a risk. Who wants to acknowledge that this routine procedure, which yes has done good, may also be responsible for creating a devastating disability? I could just imagine the legal action and lawsuits as well.
Its like x-rays. Of course they play an important role in diagnosis and treatment, but they must also be treated with the respect they deserve. Unfortunately all too often, I think the cancer risk is not taken as seriously as it should be, if at all.
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JoAnna: My oldest child has autism and she’s never had a vaccine derived from aborted fetal stem cells. I’ve also had the same number of ultrasounds with each child (basically 2 per pregnancy, and 4 with my last pregnancy) and only one of my kids (so far, anyway) has autism. So… I’m still thinking the cause might be partially genetic, and that a rise can be attributed to the fact that we have more detailed diagnostic criteria now. Maybe kids who are considered autistic today weren’t labeled as such 30 years ago.
For sure, we deem autism to be present now in many cases where it would not have been, in the past. “Autism Spectrum Disorders” has a broader range now, too. Hasn’t there been a basic change in the definition over the years, to now include more specific situations?
It looks to me like the most common cause of autism is genetics, whether autism is present all along or the individual is predisposed to it, and then environmental factors (or even just the passage of time itself) triggers it.
There are common genetic variations that present a relatively small risk of autism, but they may act cumulatively and there is the possibility for the individual to have hundreds, even thousands of them.
There are also spontaneous genetic mutations that present a much increased risk, though the raw numbers of them are much less.
Aside from genetic stuff, there is the development of the brain during gestation, and if it grows and finishes in non-standard ways, that may cause autism as well.
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Mary: Its like x-rays. Of course they play an important role in diagnosis and treatment, but they must also be treated with the respect they deserve. Unfortunately all too often, I think the cancer risk is not taken as seriously as it should be, if at all.
I agree – and in the end, isn’t it a question of the dosage, or, really, with ultrasounds, the amount of energy used?
In industry, there are sonic cleaners, and of course we’re talking about much higher energies there. They produce heating sometimes, usually quite localized, but it’s rather indirect, i.e. they are not efficient at it like a microwave oven.
Microwave ovens use a very narrow frequency that water molecules respond to – the microwaves make the water molecules vibrate faster, and that is what ‘heat’ is, on a physical level, molecular vibration/motion, the faster it is, the hotter the substance.
Ultrasound mostly makes stuff move, and if there is heating, it’s probably not due to just the molecules moving faster, it’s due to the material rubbing against itself on a much larger scale, i.e. being shredded or destructively mobilized.
That ultrasonic waves can harm tissue is not in doubt, at all. Here’s a device intended to disintegrate cells:
http://www.hielscher.com/ultrasonic-lysis-cell-disruption-extraction.htm
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Hi heather 6:34am
It enrages me when someone like Jenny McCarthy, who may have indeed helped her son where the “experts” could not, is reviled and belittled. What possible harm can come of trying her remedy and who’s to say she’s wrong? If I’m a desperate parent, I will try it. Shame on those who tell parents otherwise.
My niece, a physical therapist for special needs children, saw alarming symptoms of autism in her son when he was a toddler. She immediately consulted a nutritionist who put the child on a gluten free and dairy free diet. The symptoms disappeared. Laugh all you want folks, but he is considered gifted, and is very active in sports. He has grown up on this diet and knows nothing else so its not a problem to keep him on it. Going off the diet resulted in a return of the symptoms. She keeps him on it!
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Hi Doug,
Interesting article. Again, how can we know the effects of ultrasound on the immature developing fetal nervous system?
In our local paper some time ago, they talked of the needs of autistic children in local schools. Teachers and staff reported that there is a definite INCREASE in the number of autistic children, that it is not “improved” diagnostic techniques.
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Mary: It enrages me when someone like Jenny McCarthy, who may have indeed helped her son where the “experts” could not, is reviled and belittled.
Mary, I don’t know the deal about her son, but the stuff that Jenny has said about vaccinations – she deserves all the ridicule she gets.
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“It enrages me when someone like Jenny McCarthy, who may have indeed helped her son where the “experts” could not, is reviled and belittled. What possible harm can come of trying her remedy and who’s to say she’s wrong? If I’m a desperate parent, I will try it. Shame on those who tell parents otherwise.”
Her trying “alternate” methods of treatment was not, and never was, the issue. The issue is her absolute lies about vaccines. At least, I hope she was lying. If she was being sincere that’s even worse, because it was honestly ridiculous. No one cares if she wanted to try special diets or whatever she was babbling on about, but she caused real, measurable harm with her babbling about vaccines causing her son’s mysterious condition (which she first claimed was autism, then claimed it was something else, then claimed it was cured).
I do love that people seem to think that having autism is worse than having a dead kid, that makes me mad about Jenny McCarthy too. Vaccines prevent deadly diseases. This is incontrovertible. So, people are basically saying they’d rather have the kid dead than autistic when they go down the autism-vaccine hysteria route. It’s offensive.
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http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html
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Vaccines are controversial, I have heard convincing arguments for and against, and Jenny has the right to express whatever side of this issue she agrees or disagrees with. No one is forced to listen to or agree with her.
My focus was on the successful dietary treatment of her son, which I have heard ridiculed, and the situation with my niece being so similar.
I suppose I could no less be ridiculed for my opinion of ultrasound. Again, no one is forced to read what I write or listen to what I say, and we can all do our own research.
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Vaccines are not actually controversial in the scientific community. Like at all. But I really hate getting into it on this website because I just get annoyed, so I’m leaving it at this.
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OK DLPL,
I’m not about to debate it either. But vaccines are not without controversy and as I said, we can all do our own research.
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Mary: Jenny has the right to express whatever side of this issue she agrees or disagrees with.
Jenny ate too many Cocoa Puffs, and now she’s cuckoo for them.
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It’s extremely disappointing and disheartening to see a nurse pushing anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, which is all Deisher’s “study” really amounts to.
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Mary, you’ve “researched” vaccines? What kind of methodology did you employ, and what journal published your findings?
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Doug,
I told you its her dietary treatment of her son that I focused on. Especially when my niece had similar results. Her opinions of vaccines are her own and she is as entitled to hers as you are to yours.
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Katie,
Please reread my posts. You should also avoid jumping to conclusions.
Directly quote me “pushing anti-vaccine conspiracy theories” or even saying I oppose vaccines. If anything, I have said my concern is with ultrasound. Do I have concerns about certain vaccines? Yes. However that doesn’t prevent you from doing your own research and drawing your own conclusions.
There are opposing viewpoints over vaccines and their necessity. I have taken no stand either way.
I said we can all do our own research. Just google or yahoo. I did not say I had done any study or research.
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There is no debate in the scientific on vaccines. There are a few rogue people who push this nonsense. Ask a doctor. They went to med school.
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Annie,
Do a little more research. There are opposing opinions with some very good date to back them up and it wouldn’t hurt to check them out.
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Here are my sources, every medical school in the western world, Drs Salk, Jenner, and Hilleman, my friend who actually is an immunologist, the fact that people just don’t get polio anymore, 99.99% of doctors, and the horrible stories told by my parents and grandparents of kids being sick, mamed and dying.
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Annie,
Like I said, there are opposing opinions and data. Don’t be afraid to check them out.
Believe me, the opinions of the “experts” and doctors are not divinely inspired.
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I do love that people seem to think that having autism is worse than having a dead kid, that makes me mad about Jenny McCarthy too. Vaccines prevent deadly diseases. This is incontrovertible. So, people are basically saying they’d rather have the kid dead than autistic when they go down the autism-vaccine hysteria route. It’s offensive.
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For the record, the doctors here are strongly opposed to boutique ultrasound because of the potential risks it can carry. Several 3D ultrasound places have had to close down because parents are deciding against it.
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Mary: Her (Jenny McCarthy’s) opinions of vaccines are her own and she is as entitled to hers as you are to yours.
Buy stock in aluminum-producing companies.
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Doug,
I have no idea what you’re alluding to.
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Mary, tinfoil for Jenny McCarthy’s hats. :P
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Well, she can think what she wants about vaccines. I know what worked for her son and my nephew, and by the way I have no idea what my niece thinks of vaccines.
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