New Ebola Czar believes in population control
by Carder
I think, I think the top leadership issue in the world today is how to deal with the continuing, growing population of the world and all the resource demands it places on the world and uh uh burgeoning populations in Africa and Asia that lack the resources to have a happy healthy life and I think we have got to find a way to make the world work for everyone…. Climate change is an issue that impacts that greatly.
~ Former Democrat operative and newly-appointed Ebola Czar Ron Klain, in a 2008 Georgetown University interview advocating population control, American Thinker, October 23
Oct.24, 2014 7:31 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Dang. With the election of our first African-American president, one would hope that our nation is past that ugly racism which still fears the other races in other nations.
But the ruling classes have been concerned about the “Yellow Peril” for over a century, and this present regime still suffers from that paranoia. Obama has shown no emotional or cultural connection to Africa, in spite of the fact that his father’s family are there. (Nothing, that is, except to encourage a “right to abortion” in Kenya’s new constitution).
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A few years ago, Dale Ahlquist addressed the American Chesterton Society and shared an anecdote about a population control advocate (whom he respectfully did not name) speaking at a respected university. This eugenicist urged drastic measures — deploying an airborne ebola virus that would decimate the human populations in Asia and the southern hemisphere. This was the only way to save the Earth from the terrible plague of humanity. AND THE MEGALOMANIAC GOT A STANDING OVATION FROM THE CROWD!
I would love to heap scorn upon the Ron Klain of 2008. I hope that he has repented of this opinion since. But the sad truth is that those evil words are merely a reflection of the opinion of many world leaders and elites. The Culture of Death is very strong among the very rich.
Obama has shown no emotional or cultural connection to Africa, in spite of the fact that his father’s family are there.
When Obama comes to Philly, he spends his time with wealthy contributors. He never even goes to the ‘hood, where he received 99 percent of the vote. Yet most black folks still love him. Go figure.
I have nothing against NON-COERCIVE, VOLUNTARY population management programs — educating women about the benefits of smaller families, providing safe, non-abortifacient contraceptives, etc. but it seems like efforts like this are rare. As a person of color, the term “population control” makes me nervous!
The Culture of Death is very strong among the very rich.
Yep Del, with their private jets, vast estates, etc., they leave a bigger carbon footprint then the rest of us “regular people” put together!
When I was 18 I registered to vote as a democrat and at the time I was so proud to be American.
I never felt the gut-sinking disappointment in either Bush as I feel now about Obama. Worst president ever.
“When I was 18 I registered to vote as a democrat”
That’s okay, we all make mistakes.
Now that we are confessing mistakes of our youth, when I wasn’t much older that 18, I worked and campaigned for some democrats. Please forgive me. :)
Whew. I feel much better now that I unburdened that one.
Why is it that he makes having a happy healthy life and being populous mutually exclusive?
From Human Life International:
“And while it is true that dramatic economic growth, especially in its earlier stages, does not necessarily equate with sustained improvement in standard of living, it is worth noting that Standard Bank predicts a boom in the “middle class” of several Sub-Saharan nations with high fertility rates, matching what is a well-established trend of upward mobility for many in China and India.”
http://www.hli.org/2014/10/paradigm-shift-international-development/
With all due respects to any dems who might be reading, I did work with some really nice people. I also knew some big wig repubs who didn’t give a rat’s behind about anyone other than themselves and only pretended to be prolife.
In the end though, I couldn’t stay with a party that would have supported my killing my children or my grandparents in the name of helping others.
If the self described ‘elite’ believe the planet is grossly over populated and the answer is to de-populate then I suggest they practice what they preach and bore a hole large enough in diameter to accommodate each of them with two like minded zealots under each arm.
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‘Be kind:recycle’
Why is ‘American Thinker’ claiming Klain is pushing for population control. The excerpt provided above speaks of “we have got to find a way to make the world work for everyone…” He’s talking about the need for enough resources for everyone, not reducing the population. All he mentions is resource provision, not of any need to control population. I guess this is just another oblique attack on Obama.
Nobody expects Obama to do anything competent about ebola in America and in the world. Although many people still hope to be surprised by something hopeful. Hope, hope, hope’n’hope.
Maybe Klain was talking about something other than the need for contraception, abortion, and aggressive population control in Africa. Dear Reality, what do you suppose that ‘something other’ might have been?
Was he advocating that Americans should cut back on our consumption, settle our debts, and donate our excess to Africa’s children? He was speaking at a Catholic university — Mother Teresa said many things like that.
“Nobody expects Obama to do anything competent about ebola in America and in the world.” – you missed out ‘who hates Obama so much they’re blinded’ between ‘nobody’ and ‘expects’.
“Although many people still hope to be surprised by something hopeful. Hope, hope, hope’n’hope.” – yeah, that the Obama haters might become at least a little bit rational.
“Maybe Klain was talking about something other than the need for contraception, abortion, and aggressive population control in Africa.” – he must have been, because he doesn’t say what you claim he’s saying, not in the tract above anyway.
“Dear Reality, what do you suppose that ‘something other’ might have been?” – the need to find and secure adequate resources for everyone, as he actually says. You know, the words he actually spoke rather than what you ‘hear’.
“Was he advocating that Americans should cut back on our consumption, settle our debts, and donate our excess to Africa’s children?” – I don’t know Del, he probably should, do you think that’s what he was advocating?
“He was speaking at a Catholic university — Mother Teresa said many things like that.” – yeah, and?
Reality,
So what competent thing has Obama done about ebola? Since you seem to think any criticism of him is based on hate, then we have to assume you can prove us wrong.
There’s blind hope, and there’s blind hate.
I will keep an open mind.
Name something that Obama has done effectively…. [aside from protecting the abortion industry. He was consistently brilliant at that. Withholding all MedicAid funds from states that refused to contract with Planned Parenthood! Hard on women in need, of course — but great at protecting his allies.]
Feigning ignorance doesn’t exactly boost your credibility Mary. Unless you’ve been living in a bubble, which doesn’t appear to be the case, then you’d know as well as anyone else that Obama has done what has been recommended by the relevant and appropriate experts. And that doesn’t include travel bans.
If republicans choose to be unnecessarily and unjustifiably hard on women in need by not allocating the required portion of funding to PP then they obviously think their state doesn’t need Medicaid funding.
Reality,
You suggest in your 7:28PM post that hatred of Obama is what motivates criticism of him.
You said it, so back it up. Tell us everything Obama is doing to stop ebola from getting into this country and prove once and for all what Del said is based on hate.
How would knowing (which you actually do, despite your protestations otherwise) what Obama has done about ebola demonstrate that hatred of Obama is what motivates the criticism. The hate inspired criticism spews out at everything and anything Obama does. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge what anyone with sense knows he’s doing about ebola is itself indicative. Del’s words speak for themselves, the fact that he only recognizes Obama’s support for women’s freedom as being the only effective thing he’s done says it all.
Now if only you could enunciate any reason as to why you claim Obama would allow ebola to spread. Or is your claim just another hate inspired event?
Reality,
Just answer the question.
I did. In full. Comprehensively. You can’t understand it? Don’t want to understand it?
How about you answer the question, you started it after all.
Reality,
It isn’t me you have to answer the question for. Its Del, and apparently Del doesn’t know what Obama has done to stop Ebola. You also indicate that Del’s statement is based on hate, using words that you put into his/her mouth. Del never said anything hateful, he/she expressed an opinion, one you disagree with, but refuse to way why.
So please, tell Del why he/she is wrong and on what you base the accusation that his/her opinion is based on hate.
Now now Mary, let’s get real. You claimed that Obama was deliberately allowing ebola in and to spread.
Why? That is the question that has remained unanswered throughout your various attempts at diversion.
Now now Reality,
You’re the one who indicates Del is wrong and you even find it necessary to put words in his/her mouth. Please tell us why Del is wrong and on what you base your assumption that Del’s opinion is based on hate.
There you go again, doing everything you can to avoid the question which is the crux of your false claims about Obama and ebola.
Why would Obama do such a thing?
I’ve already answered your question re Del’s opinion, and I used his own words – I didn’t have a need to put any words in his mouth.
Reality,
LOL. You haven’t told us why Del is wrong and what Obama is doing to stop Ebola. You indeed put words in Del’s mouth. He said nothing hateful. The words were yours. Please tell us why you assume his opinion is wrong and based on hate.
As usual I am more than happy for you to run around in ever decreasing circles until you disappear up your own fundamental fallacy.
You made claims about Obama and have done exactly zero to back them up. Nor can you explain why he would do as you allege.
You haven’t told us what Obama hasn’t done to stop ebola, that’s the point – back up your claim.
I put no words in Del’s mouth. I explained why what he said was indicative of the premise, using his words. I don’t ‘assume’ his opinion is wrong, the facts demonstrate that they are. You may not like that but that doesn’t negate the fact.
Reality,
So you can’t defend Obama against Del’s negative opinion of him. I didn’t think so.
Yes Reality, you did indeed put hateful words in his mouth. He said nothing hateful. The words were yours. How funny, you accuse someone of hatefulness…after putting hateful words in his mouth. Then you can’t tell us why you accuse him of being hateful.
Reality,
The “facts” prove Del wrong? And those are….?
“I explained why what he said was indicative of the premise, using his words”. Uh no Reality, those were YOUR words.
“So you can’t defend Obama against Del’s negative opinion of him.” – yes I can. I did.
“I didn’t think so” – what you ‘think’ ain’t exactly factual then is it.
“Yes Reality, you did indeed put hateful words in his mouth.” – you are incorrect. I cited Dels’ own statement. It’s there in black and white.
“He said nothing hateful.” – I didn’t say he did.
“The words were yours” – that is fundamentally untrue.
“How funny, you accuse someone of hatefulness…after putting hateful words in his mouth.” – you are basing this claim (as usual) on a false premise.
“Then you can’t tell us why you accuse him of being hateful.” – you really need to pay attention rather than just make stuff up.
The facts are that Obama has done more than one thing effectively – ya’ll probably wouldn’t hate him so much if he hadn’t ;-)
“Uh no Reality, those were YOUR words.” – why do you struggle so? My response was paraphrasing of what Del said, nothing made up or added. Is that too complex for you or something?
Do a few more laps…….
Reality,
The “facts” prove Del wrong. And those facts are….?
Del: Nobody expects Obama to do anything about ebola in America and in the world.
Reality: You missed out ‘who hates Obama so much they’re blinded’ between ‘nobody’ and ‘expects’.
Your words Reality. Del said nothing about hating anyone. He expressed an opinion, one you have yet to dispute by presenting any facts.
Mary, I think it’s seriously time to stop feeding the troll.
Hi JDC,
Well I’ve never viewed Reality as a troll. Also, this is just getting fun.
Thank you though for the the friendly advice.
The facts are that Obama has done more than one thing effectively – ya’ll probably wouldn’t hate him so much if he hadn’t. He’d be even more effective if it wasn’t for the crowd who fulminate against there being a black man in the white house and the associated rise of the tea party.
“Nobody expects Obama to do anything”…..”one you have yet to dispute by presenting any facts” – the facts are that Obama is doing something about ebola. Even if he hadn’t, plenty of people would expect him to, maybe even you. It’s really quite straight forward.
“just getting fun”? – I’m already having fun. Do another lap…..
Reality,
Ok, so what exactly has he done?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php
I’m confident that you’ll grizzle and moan about some of them but that pretty much reinforces them being effective. And if you think any of them come up short that’ll be because of the intransigence of the usual suspects.
Still swimming?
Reality,
You’re giving me the temperature when I’ve asked you for the time of day.
Please tell me the facts you say prove Del wrong. In case you forgot, his comment concerned Obama’s inaction on ebola.
How confused are you? Del said “Name something that Obama has done effectively…. [aside from protecting the abortion industry. He was consistently brilliant at that. Withholding all MedicAid funds from states that refused to contract with Planned Parenthood! Hard on women in need, of course — but great at protecting his allies.]” – that’s a broad statement, and I provided some examples.
Since Obama has taken action on ebola, even if it isn’t to your liking, then Del is wrong. You can choose whether it’s the action you’ve claimed he took but didn’t or the action he did take that you told us about as well as what you choose to ignore.
Come on Reality,
Don’t give me that. You know perfectly well what I’m referring to and have been all along.
Del is wrong about Obama and ebola? Why?
I know what you’ve been referring to all along – that Obama deliberately introduced ebola – you just won’t tell us why he would do so. Why is that?
Del’s reference however, was wider. So I provided examples for the question you asked about what Del had said.
Del is wrong about Obama and ebola because Obama has taken action. As you yourself have said.
Reality,
I have been referring all along to Del’s comment and you know that so quit evading the issue. Why do you say Del is wrong and what are the facts you refer to 12:11am post?
“I don’t ‘assume’ that his (Del’s)opinion is wrong. The facts demonstrate that they are”.
So what are these “facts”?
I’m not evading it, you are! Del said “Name something that Obama has done effectively…. [aside from protecting the abortion industry. He was consistently brilliant at that. Withholding all MedicAid funds from states that refused to contract with Planned Parenthood! Hard on women in need, of course — but great at protecting his allies.]” so I did.
The facts are that Obama has taken action on ebola, as you yourself have said. Are you denying yourself now?
You claim that that Obama deliberately introduced ebola – you just won’t tell us why he would do so. Why is that?
Come on Reality,
Nice try, I’ll give you that. But you’re fooling no one.
So again, what are the “facts” you refer to in your 12:11am post concerning Del’s comment about Obama’s inaction on ebola?
I don’t need to attempt to fool anyone, that’d be your domain.
You yourself have provided proof that Obama has acted on ebola.
You claimed from the start that that Obama deliberately introduced ebola – you just won’t tell us why he would do so. Why is that?
Reality,
Please stick to the topic. What are the “facts” you refer to in your 12:11 am post?
I am on topic. You’re the one who wanders off on imaginary journeys and then goes even further when questioned.
I’ve already given you a link, do pay attention.
You claimed from the start that that Obama deliberately introduced ebola – you just won’t tell us why he would do so. Why is that?
Reality,
Please. What are the “facts” you refer to in your 12:11am post?
I’ve already given you a link, do pay attention.
You claimed from the start that that Obama deliberately introduced ebola – you just won’t tell us why he would do so. Why is that?
No Reality,
That link didn’t answer the question. The “facts” demonstrate Del’s opinion on Obama doing nothing to stop ebola is wrong, according to your 12:11am post. Please tell us what those facts are.
My 12:11am comment was in regard to Del’s claim that “Name something that Obama has done effectively…. [aside from protecting the abortion industry. He was consistently brilliant at that. Withholding all MedicAid funds from states that refused to contract with Planned Parenthood! Hard on women in need, of course — but great at protecting his allies.]” How many times do I need to remind you of this?
You claimed from the start that that Obama deliberately introduced ebola – you just won’t tell us why he would do so. Why is that?
Reality,
It was in reference to Del’s comment on Obama doing nothing about Ebola, as that was what we were discussing, and you know that as well as I do.
Now, if you can’t tell Del or anyone what Obama has done to stop ebola from entering this country, say so. Not a big deal.
It may have been what you were discussing but since Del made the broader comment I addressed that.
Despite the fact that you know very well what Obama has done to address the problem here are a few of the actions he has taken – established a military command in Liberia to support civilian efforts, via the CDC – a surge in supplies and medical care to treat victims, funding earmarked to combat the outbreak and develop Ebola treatments and your favorite – appointed an ebola czar. You do realize that most of the necessary procedures for dealing with such a situation were already in place don’t you?
You claimed from the start that that Obama deliberately introduced ebola – you just won’t tell us why he would do so. Why is that?
Reality,
You knew perfectly well what we were discussing.
Yes, he’s put our soldiers at risk. I’ve read that Italy isn’t too happy about our soldiers being quarantined there before returning to the US. I have no problem with helping victims. However you still haven’t told us what he’s doing to keep ebola out of the country. You know, like the Australian Prime Minister who has closed his country to any entry from ebola infected countries.
I don’t know if he appointed a czar though.
You kept referring to Del’s comment, so did I.
“Yes, he’s put our soldiers at risk.” – so now you don’t want him to take action?
“I’ve read that Italy isn’t too happy about our soldiers being quarantined there before returning to the US.” – where did you read that?
“I have no problem with helping victims. However you still haven’t told us what he’s doing to keep ebola out of the country.” – dealing with the problem at it’s origin minimizes the risks of it being spread. You know, treat the epidemic before it becomes a pandemic.
“You know, like the Australian Prime Minister who has closed his country to any entry from ebola infected countries.” – well not ‘any’ entry. Hey, if they did that’d mean Obama wouldn’t be able to attend the G20! What do you think about that? Did you also read that the responsible agencies in both countries say travel bans are not the way to go?
“I don’t know if he appointed a czar though.” – that doesn’t surprise me.
Reality,
He could make it so much easier by simply doing what the prime minister of Australia is doing. Apparently the PM of Australia takes action and does not just appoint another gov’t bureaucrat, like you know who.
Treating at the point of origin is only putting our soldiers at risk and not making the Italians too happy. Check google.
Reality, I said ebola infected countries, that does not include the US, at least not yet.
Travel bans don’t work? Tell that to the Senegalese and Nigerians. They would beg to differ.
Hang on, the PM of Australia hasn’t done exactly as you claimed.
Your switch of position merely reinforces the fact that you will criticize Obama whether he takes action or not or what that action may be.
Treating at the origin is what the experts in that field of medicine recommend.
There have been infections, someone died remember. Therefore Obama shouldn’t be able to attend G20 given the Australian stance.
The travel bans in regards to the US and Australia are what have been declared unnecessary by the relevant experts.
Kind of looks like Canada has joined Australia.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ebola-canada-suspending-visas-for-residents-of-outbreak-countries-1.2820090
Double the idiocy. And you want to treble it?
Treble–yes
Idiocy–no
So are you not aware of what has been said by WHO and the relevant medical experts in each country or is it just convenient to ignore that so you can cling to the disgraceful GOP ‘run, fire, panic’ scare-mongering?