Stanek weekend Q: Have aborted fetal cells in vaccines stopped you from immunizing your children?
You may have heard of the measles outbreak. Reported the Associated Press on January 30:
More measles cases have been found in California, health officials said Friday.
Figures released by the California Department of Public Health showed there are now 91 confirmed cases in the state, up from 79 on Wednesday.
Of those, 58 infections have been linked to visits to Disneyland or contact with a sick person who went there.
Mexico and at least six other U.S. states - Utah, Washington, Colorado, Oregon, Nebraska and Arizona - also have recorded measles cases connected to Disneyland.
The outbreak, which originated at Disney theme parks last month, is spreading to the broader community.
But does the blame for the measles outbreak actually rest with abortion?
Reported OC Weekly on January 30:
Forget illegals, anti-vaxxers or Jenny McCarthy: A Washington, D.C.-based right-to-life group is blaming abortion for the spread of measles across the country by people who were at the Disney Resort in Anaheim in mid-December.
Specifically, it’s the decision by pharmaceutical company Merck to make available an “ethical” vaccine for the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) virus. Since 2008, Merck’s MMR II live virus vaccine has been in use - and since that time families opposed to abortion have declined MMR II vaccinations because it was “created from aborted fetal cell lines,” explains the American Life League.
ALL, which bills itself as the “oldest national Catholic pro-life education and advocacy organization in the United States,” has been calling on Merck to bring back the “ethical single-dose vaccine” for families who eschew MMR II on moral grounds.
“Merck is denying parents the choice of obtaining an ethical measles vaccine,” stated Judie Brown, the president and co-founder of ALL. “According to Children of God for Life, outbreaks of measles, such as at the California Disney parks, have been on the increase ever since Merck discontinued the ethical single-dose vaccine in 2008.”
Children of God for Life is a Largo, Florida-based campaign to outlaw the use of aborted fetuses in creating vaccinations. It has joined with American Life League to sponsor a change.org petition aimed at getting Merck to revive the single-dose versions of its vaccines.
“Ninety-nine percent of the parents I encounter just want the moral versions of measles and mumps vaccines,” claims Debi Vinnedge, president of Children of God for Life. “If Merck were to make the ethical single-dose vaccines available again, vaccine coverage would increase significantly.”
I confess I’m kind of glad I vaccinated my kids when I was naive. I now have two problems with vaccines, the aborted fetal cell component, and the chance that fetal cells in vaccines may cause autism. I’m relieved I don’t have to make the decision about this.
What about you? What are your thoughts?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
There are no good reasons not to have your kids vaccinated – The autism link has been widely shut down and refuted.
I father in California who has a kid with Cancer has asked the school to ban unvaccinated kids. I’m sure it won’t fly – but it’s a great idea.
There is evidence that measle outbreaks happen to even the vaccinated. It appears that the only life-long immunity exists only for those who have survived the disease. As for a link to autism, while disputed, there appears to be ample evidence of neurological problems linked to vaccination. I’ll be honest, if my kid had cancer, I would probably keep him home. It is not simply measles, but flu or whatever the latest crud that goes around I would want his compromised immune system not to invite. As far as vaccinations using the tissue of human persons murdered and their flesh violated, our pharmaceutical companies should be pressured to do better. To have the resource, but not to make it available, is a direct slap in the face of those who desire it. In one way or another, they demand an obligation to the culture of death.
http://vaxtruth.org/2015/01/measles/
Had I known the MMR was made from aborted fetuses I would have refused it. I did know the chicken pox vaccine was made from aborted fetal tissue so I did refuse that one. We deserve better than abortion!
Had I known the MMR was made from aborted fetuses I would have refused it. I did know the chicken pox vaccine was made from aborted fetal tissue so I did refuse that one. We deserve better than abortion!
Have not gotten the MRII for my kids. My kids were ‘supposed’ to get it age 5 and they are now 7 and 9.
“I father in California who has a kid with Cancer has asked the school to ban unvaccinated kids. I’m sure it won’t fly – but it’s a great idea.”
Ex-RINO, let it all out. Give us your daily dose of your desire to force everyone to comply with your world view. You are the epitome of a statist.
Cathy S, I skipped the chicken pox booster for my kids too.
First off – I find the entire post offensive and worthy of the worst of the pro-choice movement. Are we okay risking the lives of other because of the massively small chance of autism? Does a kid with autism have less worth than a kid without? Isn’t this the same argument made by those who want to abort kids with Downs?
Second – it’s just ignoring science – spend five minutes studying the anti-vaccination movement, and you’ll find it is not founded in science and is dangerous to others. At the least, these parents should be fined or pay higher tax/insurance rates.
yes. None of my kids have the MMR because I struggle with the knowledge that (for example) 29 babies were aborted in the course of developing the rubella vaccine. It’s so horrific and seems like condoning evil to use them.
EX-GOP – I’m not anti-vaccination. My kids have gotten DTAP and all other ethically-sourced vaccines. I don’t think they cause autism (my daughter, who has never had the MMR or any vaccines derived from aborted fetal stem cells has high-functioning autism). I just have a big ethical issue with aborting babies for the purpose of scentific experimentation, and indirectly condoning abortion by utilizing the results.
JoAnna –
My understanding is that is not quite accurate – that some of the cell lines originated in the 1960’s from aborted fetal tissue – but it isn’t some ongoing thing.
http://autism.about.com/od/medicalissuesandautis1/f/vaxfetal.htm
Oh please X GOP. Research the issue for pete’s sake instead of the hysteria.
Risking lives? did you know many vaccines SHED? For weeks afterwards? you worried about disease? you should worry then about vaccines.
I don’t care if my kids get measles or chicken pox. Then they have lifelong immunity. But I do care if they are injected with aluminum, formaldehyde, animals kidney cells, aborted fetal diploid cells and tons of other heavy metals and carcinogenic preservatives over an over and over throughout their childhood.
I was vaccinated as a child and was chronically ill. I have friends who have vaccine injured children. Vaccines HARM. There have been NO independent safety studies done on vaccines. NONE. You won’t find a single one. So don’t tell me vaccines are just safe and to just do it. I won’t inject that poison into my children. So get over it.
btw–vaccine rates are above 90% which is ABOVE the target for “herd immunity”. And yet measles continues. imagine that (it is one of the live attenuated virus vaccines and sheds. Did you know that vaccinated kids are getting measles at a higher rate than the non-vaxxed kids?)
Herd immunity, btw is a myth because most of the adult population is not up to date with their boosters. So they are walking around completely unvaxxed. You up to date X GOP? I doubt it. Those who bray the loudest are often the ones who shirk their “duty” to get the shots. All of them. But I could be wrong. Hopefully you are up to date otherwise you’re a hypocrite. You gonna round up all the other adults in the US and forcibly inject things into their bodies against their will X?
I got my tetanus booster 8 years ago and developed an auto immune skin disease. This was when I was just starting to research vaccines. I now have flare ups and pain thanks to the toxins in that shot. I refuse to put that poison into my body and it is my choice. This is one instance where I believe in “my body my choice” How ironic is that, amirite?
Nobody is dying of measles in America. This isn’t a 3rd world country and we’ve got to stop this hysteria like it is. Good hygiene and nutrition has done more to wipe out disease than any vaccine. Cholera used to wipe out entire communities and now you no longer see cholera epidemics. You know why? We stopped throwing our sewage into our drinking water. Simple as that.
Okay this was rambling but I had a lot of thoughts.
Ex-GOP – I am well aware of that. I know it is not ongoing. But the fact that it happened at all is horrific. Plus it sets a precedent for more scentific research using aborted children, or aborting children with specific diseases or disorders for the purpose of research. It is a very real moral and ethical dilemma for me.
“Does a kid with autism have less worth than a kid without?”
Ex-RINO, that has to be one of the all time stupidest analogies I have ever heard. lol… keep letting it out.
I am a pro-lifer with high functioning autism. There is no scientific evidence, none, that vaccines cause autism. Andrew Wakefield’s study was proven to be a fraud and withdrawn by the journal it was published in. Even if vaccines did cause autism, it is anti-life to prefer a child dead from mumps or another vaccine preventable illness to an autistic child. for once I agree with Ex-GOP. It really is the same mentality that leads parents to abort children with Downs-we view disability as worse than death, which should be something that the pro=life movement should be fundamentally opposed to.
Were measles vaccines always from aborted babies? How about way back in 1960 and before?
Sydney –
If you’ve got links to back anything, that would be good.
When we’re playing with the health of the nation, I’d like to move past old wives tales and gut feelings.
Plus, the anti-vaccine movement is way beyond measles
By the way – do you believe an autistic child is worth less than a child without autism?
JoAnna – I appreciate the honesty.
truth
If you want to expand on why it’s a bad analogy, please do.
It was clear in the post that a good reason not to get it is so that your kid doesn’t get autism.
So we’re okay risking the lives of others because a kid might get autism?
So kids with autism are damaged goods?
Again – stolen from pro-choice talking points on babies with Downs.
So the site has been anti-Catholic lately – not it’s anti kids with autism.
Lovely.
Ex-RINO,
Here is your logic…
Pro-life people respect the value of all human like including the handicapped therefore it is hypocritical for pro-life people to show concern and mitigate the possibility of their children being handicapped… seriously? Nobody can be that out-of-it.
Rebecca, autism is a very generic name used to define varying degrees of a wide variety of abnormal development characteristics. And I am not even arguing the merits of the argument that vaccinations can cause autism. What I am saying is that it would be ludicrous to expose our children to any kind of carcinogens or potentially harm just ’cause we still love children with disabilities anyways’.
“So the site has been anti-Catholic lately”
Ex-RINO. Let your true colors shine through. You are really on a troll roll.
If the Bishops and Vatican say you can, who are you to publicly go against the Church? Also, they are not fetal cells they are from a cell line that were originally began in fetal cells but the ones in the vaccine are not longer fetal cells as they have replicated an obscene amount of times since the origin.
Ex-RINO, since it is ok to still love your children even if they get it by a car does that mean you let your children play in the streets?
The risks caused by vaccinating are miniscule compared to the risks caused by not vaccinating. There is no scientific evidence to back up what you are saying about vaccines causing autism. None. This kind of nonsense and misinformation does not need to be associated with the pro-life movement.
If you do not vaccinate your kids, you are endangering not only their lives but the lives of those around them who cannot be vaccinated, like people with certain immune disorders and newborn infants. It is anti-life, not pro-life. Parents have no right to endanger their children’s lives with their foolishness.
truth
Now that’s a terrible comparison. Keeping your kids from playing in the street doesn’t have a negative affect on their own health and others.
What this post is clearly saying is it is fine risking the health and lives of others so that a kid might not get autism, which is most likely a myth in the first place – so it’s saying “I’m okay with death so that I don’t have a kid who isn’t ‘normal’.”
I’ll admit this is playing the odds more than directly killing somebody – but do a little research on the things were vaccinating against and why we’re vaccinating against those things.
Amen Rebecca
IMO Big Pharma is all about profit and I question the effectiveness of each vaccination on an individual basis. I have concern about ‘live’ vaccines. The majority of the people I know who got the flu this year are people who had the flu vaccination. I have four ‘older’ kids that had the chicken pox vaccination and the chicken pox booster vaccination and three of those four all got chicken pox, some more than once. I have four ‘older’ kids that had the chicken pox vaccination and the chicken pox booster vaccination and three of those four all got chicken pox. My younger two will not be getting the chicken pox booster.
truth
Statistics – I like
Facts – I like
Endangering people’s lives simply because of your gut feelings – That concerns me
Rebecca, My son won his battle against when he was six years old and during the times he was neutropenic we were told to avoid being around anybody who had recently gotten vaccinated with live vaccines.
Like I always say, I will become anti-vax when and if the anti-vaxxers can show me reputable scientific studies that clearly demonstrate that the harms of vaccination outweigh the benefits for the majority of people. So far, that has not happened. The anti-vax movement is anti-science.
Ex-RINO, Then you must like the facts and statistics I gave you that three of the four children I had get the Chicken pox booster all got chicken pox. Some more than once.
That was your son’s case. Yes individuals with certain immune disorders cannot be around people vaccinated with live vaccines. The vast majority of people don’t have these disorders. And vaccines prevent the disease in the vast majority of people vaccinated. If these vaccines did not exist, your son’s chance of being exposed to the actual disease would have been far greater, and the actual disease would have been fair more harmful to him than the live virus vaccine.
Then your family must have some odd genetic trait.
http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2562.aspx?CategoryID=200&
Great! Can you show me a peer-reviewed scientific study that proves that the majority of people vaccinated against chicken pox got the disease anyway? You see, science works with large research studies and quantifiable data, not personal stories.
“I father in California who has a kid with Cancer has asked the school to ban unvaccinated kids”
Ex-RINO, this is complete horse $H!*. My son had Large T Cell Lymphona and he was told being around being who recently received vaccinations was actually dangerous to him while he was on chemotherapy. You are clueless and couldn’t post anything more ass backwards.
Rebecca, peer reviewed studies are one thing but I place even more credibilty in personal experience. Not all people react the same way to medicines and vaccinations. For you to even consider forcing everyone to follow your protocol is not only inconsiderate it is dangerous to those who are not just like you.
truth
I’m not the father. To call me clueless would be weird.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/29/health/california-boy-vaccine-school/index.html
As I stated in my previous posts. My concerns come in when using the live virus vaccines. They can have adverse reactions not only to the people who receive them but, at least for a period of time, also cause health problems to the people that they come into contact with.
If there are valid medical reasons not to vaccinate, such as an immune disorder, that is one thing. But just refusing to vaccinate your kids because of incorrect beliefs about vaccinations causing autism is another.
Ex-RINO, you are so full of yourself… you said that ‘you personally’ thought it would be a great idea.
Yes – unvaccinated kids should be banned from school. And their parents should be a fine or higher taxes.
You are arguing that a kid with cancer shouldn’t be around kids with vaccinations.
That is two different things.
Lastly – you are starting to get angry and are violating board rules by calling names. I’d ask you to refrain from that.
imagine how much more dangerous it would be for your son to be exposed to someone actually infected with the disease. The risk would be much greater.
Rebecca, the most dangerous thing is your mindset about others who do not vaccinate. It is not just people who are immuno-suppressed but a personal decision and neither you nor the government has the right to
impose your ideologies onto other people.
the most dangerous thing is your mindset about others who do not vaccinate. It is not just people who are immuno-suppressed but a personal decision and neither you nor the government has the right to
impose your ideologies onto other people.
Sounds like something a pro-choicer would say about abortion.
“You are arguing that a kid with cancer shouldn’t be around kids with vaccinations. That is two different things”
Ex-RINO, Huh? YOUR very post on this thread said it would be a great idea to only expose kids with cancer to kids who had been vaccinated.
“Sounds like something a pro-choicer would say about abortion.”
Seriously Rebecca? Equating the choice of whether or not to vaccinate with the choice of whether or not to kill an unborn child. I think you are really stretching your arguments pretty thin.
I’m sorry, but this is ridiculous.
My father is immuno compromised. He could DIE from having a disease such as measles.
There is NO evidence that vaccines cause autism. None. Zip. Vaccines have been proven time and time again that they are safe.
Most vaccines are not live-virus vaccines. The viruses in most vaccines are either inactive or dead. Your immune system still treats the dead virus the same as any virus and attacks it. Thus you get immunity without getting sick.
It frustrates me when people willingly don’t vaccinate because they are afraid of something that is proven to not happen. Before vaccines, many kids died from vaccine preventable diseases. In fact, another baby just recently died from whooping cough here in Cali because people are not vaccinating. That is NOT pro-life.
And by the way, “Big Pharma” makes a lot more money off of you when you’re in the hospital sick from a vaccine preventable disease than when you’re vaccinated. Just saying.
Rebecca, you make the decision to get the vaccine if you want it and it makes you immune right? Then why should you care to force somebody else to get the vaccine? Even if they get sick they are no threat to you because you got the vaccine, right?
Oh my goodness truth – I beg of you – step away from Fox News for 10 minutes, and do some research. Please. Just some.
When you refuse to vaccinate, you are placing your child at a much greater risk of death. That’s not a bad as killing them in an abortion, but it’s still pretty bad. The gov’t has a right to intervene to protect children from their parents’ lethal ideologies. Parents who refuse modern medicine in favor of faith healing and whose kids die as a result are prosecuted for criminally negligent homicide, because children’s lives matter more than their parents’ freedom of belief.
My concern is not for myself. It is for people like LilRoof’s father, who cannot be vaccinated and who depends on herd immunity to keep himself safe. It’s for all the newborns who cannot be vaccinated yet. Not vaccinating your kids places those people at risk.
Rebecca,
If they did a peer-reviewed study that showed fewer people were killed in the name of atheism then were killed in the name of God would you then force everybody into a herd of atheists?
Truthseeker, your analogy makes no sense. We are talking about the fact that vaccines prevent illness. Atheism does not prevent death or ideologically motivated killings. If a particular religion or ideology is violent, the solution is reformation of that religion/ideology.
Jenn – please don’t misrepresent the Catholic Church’s position on vaccines derived from aborted fetal stem cells. The Church says parents MAY choose have their children vaccinated with unethical vaccines, but She does not say they HAVE to, so it is patently incorrect to assert that anyone who chooses not to utilize those vaccines is “going against the Church.” On the contrary, She says that parents need to follow their consciences, and says that they may be conscientious objectors.
Moreover, the Church says that even parents who vaccinate have the obligation to protest the manufacture and use of immoral vaccines, and demand that ethical versions be made available.
“…doctors and fathers of families have a duty to take recourse to alternative vaccines (if they exist), putting pressure on the political authorities and health systems so that other vaccines without moral problems become available. They should take recourse, if necessary, to the use of conscientious objection with regard to the use of vaccines produced by means of cell lines of aborted human foetal origin. Equally, they should oppose by all means (in writing, through the various associations, mass media, etc.) the vaccines which do not yet have morally acceptable alternatives, creating pressure so that alternative vaccines are prepared, which are not connected with the abortion of a human foetus, and requesting rigorous legal control of the pharmaceutical industry producers.” – source
“Development of the rubella vaccine actually involved not one, but 28 abortions. Twenty-seven abortions were performed to isolate the virus and one abortion (WI-38) to culture the vaccine. The vaccine’s strain is called RA 27/3 (R=Rubella, A=Abortus, 27=27th fetus tested, 3=3rd tissue explanted). Rubella, or “German measles,” is usually a harmless childhood disease. Ironically, rubella is most dangerous for preborn infants, who have a 20 to 25 percent chance of contracting congenital rubella syndrome if their mothers catch rubella during the first trimester. Scientists at the Wistar Institute took advantage of the 1964-65 rubella epidemic to legally acquire fetal tissue from at least 27 so-called therapeutic abortions conducted on women at risk for rubella. Since the live virus was not detected until the 27th abortion, the preceding 26 abortions were apparently performed on perfectly healthy babies. By contrast, Japanese researchers obtained a live virus by swabbing the throat of an infected child.” (source)
I just… I read things like this and I feel physically ill. I don’t know if I can, in good conscience, use a vaccine that was bought by the lives of 27 babies. I want my children to be protected but I don’t want to cooperate with evil, or send the message to doctors and researchers that I’m just fine with children being aborted in order to create a vaccine.
For what it’s worth, there is currently a petition on Change.org asking Merck et al to make ethically-sourced vaccines available in the U.S.: https://www.change.org/p/centers-for-disease-control-urge-merck-to-revive-single-dose-measles-and-mumps-vaccines
With two of my children I simple have not had access to medical care, which makes vaccination impossible. With the decision to vaccinate, I researched each disease and read the studies conducted to gain FDA approval. With some diseases, the vaccines (judging from the study results) are scarier than the disease (chicken pox, for example). With others, the disease is largely an adult problem associated with lifestyle or occupation (Hepatitis), so I don’t see the urgency of vaccinating young children. With some, the disease simply isn’t that scary, and surviving it renders more complete protection than vaccination (Rubella–my sons and I had rubella this past summer, btw). Pertussis is still very common because adults fail to get booster shots (my family had that one a couple years ago), and it is most deadly among those too young to be vaccinated.
I definitely want to vaccinate against polio, dyptheria, tetanus, and mumps, but have not had the means or the opportunity to do so. I’m on the fence about measles, based largely on the contention when the vaccine was introduced that it simply not that dangerous, and the reality that the incidence of measles had already plummetted at that point due to improved hygeine among the general public. Yes, measles can be dangerous, but it is far less so than flu or strep (which can become rheumathic fever depending on where it colonizes).
I am definitely worried about the wisdom of administering 6 or more vaccines at one appointment. I also worry that we might make ourselves weaker overall if we vaccinate too heavily against non-lethal diseases.
JoAnna – agree it’s heartbreaking.
Heartbreaking all around – Roald Dahl has an interesting past you can read about – he had a kid die from Measles as a 7 year old.
Rachel, everything in your post was spot on. I hope you get the chance to get the vaccines you want soon.
This whole post makes me so upset! At least 23 different peer reviewed studies have been done since this nonsense came out from Wakefield. He was proven to be a fraud! Now Debi and her group are saying the aborted fetal cells cause autism. Fact is autism rates have gone up while vaccination rates go down. The studies are documented on the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia vaccine information website. Real studies not ones from highly questionable sources.
All over the world kids die and are permanently harmed from vaccine preventable diseases. The mumps sterilizes males. Measles can kill, blind, and cause deafness. Chicken pox can lead to shingles as an adult. Rubella cause miscarriages, congenital defects, and stillborns in pregnant woman. While the 3rd world begs for vaccines we come up with first world problems to avoid them. They see first hand what the diseases do and who is in a graveyard!
As to the fetal cells. Twenty seven babies were not aborted for the cell line. They used 2 aborted babies. These babies were not aborted for the vaccine and babies are not continually aborted for vaccines. The cell line will go on forever. While I do not like what they did it has been done. What will happen with this Psuedoscience that I am sad to say prolifers are promoting and making us look anti-llife and science, is that people are getting sick and at some point some will die. It could be my sick brother-in-law, my frail Mom, my friend in chemo, or my twin god sons who are too young to be vaccinated. How pro-life are you then?
LilRoof,
I think everybody should pray for at least 30 minutes a day in order to vaccinate their bodies and souls against all kinds of wretched preventable illnesses but I understand that I don’t have the right to force them to.
LilRoof,
Should we force people onto certain diets and exercise programs so that they don’t take up extra seat space on the bus when they ride in public transportation?
Annie, I don’t know where you are getting your information, but it’s not correct. It’s true that the WI-38 and MRC-5 cell lines only involved one abortion each. But it’s a different story for rubella. See for example, this article which discusses the 27 fetuses aborted before the rubella virus was found in the 28th: http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=503157
Annie,
I think all the people who want to get vaccinated should get vaccinated. But what I have no tolerance for is the people with a ‘herd’ mentality who think they can coerce other people into getting vaccinated.
Did I just see a pro-lifer arguing that their own personal freedom and choice is more important than others lives?
Interesting.
Truth, I really don’t see how the public transportation analogy fits with vaccinating against a preventable disease. Having a little less room in a seat does not compare to a baby having coughing fits so violent that he/she cannot breathe, or a cancer patient without a strong immune system being threatened with the possibility of contracting a disease that could possibly kill them. Not vaccinating doesn’t just affect you, it affects everyone else around you, particularly those that cannot be vaccinated (those with autoimmune disorders, those on chemotherapy, babies too young to be vaccinated, etc). By not vaccinating, you are taking away the right of those people to be safe from disease. You are forcing them to come into contact with the disease that can cause a great deal of harm to their bodies.
You keep saying that people should have the right to choose to vaccinate or not, and that the people shouldn’t force you to vaccinate if you don’t want to. How is this any different from the pro-choice arguments? “I should have a right to choose whether or not to abort” “you can be personally against abortion, but don’t force that on other people”, “don’t force your ideology on me”. Diseases do kill people, if not, they can horribly maim them. Babies are especially vulnerable. Again, a baby recently died because of the whooping cough outbreak here. 10 babies died in 2010 died as well from another whooping cough outbreak. Because people were exercising their “right to choose” to vaccinate. Doesn’t that bother you at all?
LilRoof – I just beat you too it – truth is almost making a word for word pro-choice argument.
“Did I just see a pro-lifer arguing that their own personal freedom and choice is more important than others lives?”
Did I just see a pro-choicer in amazement that a pro-life person would not want to join the vaccination gestapo? The vaccinnation gestapo is made up of all the loons who believe that anybody who doesn’t get vaccinated is killing other people. It is quite a phenomenon. Please tell me more about your delusions. How exactly do these unvaccinated pro-life people kill the people who get vaccinated? Or is your point that they could possible endanger other immune deficient people who are not vaccinated but wish they could? Your whole proposition is really quite farcical.
Truthseeker, you are being deliberately intellectually dishonest. Unvaccinated people put people at risk who cannot be vaccinated, like people with immune disorders and young infants. Infants too young to be vaccinated have died because people who could be vaccinated decided not to vax, got sick, and spread their disease to other people who cannot be vaccinated. vaccination gestapo? seriously?
truth –
Yes or no – do unvaccinated people endanger the lives of parts of the population?
Yes, they do harm immunocompromised people. And newborn babies. You know, the young people that as a pro-lifer you have given your life to protect?
The fact that you tossed people with a medical reason to not vaccinate and don’t want to be harmed by vaccine preventable diseases as “farcical” is insensitive.
Pay no attention to the hundreds of people in the US alone who are crippled or killed by Guillain-Barré Syndrome Every Year from the Flu Shot.
Farcical? Have you seen the news about the Disneyland measles outbreak? This is real, this is happening. Many pediatricians are now refusing to take on patients who don’t vaccinate because they place the entire doctor’s office at risk. If an unvaccinated kid who contracts measles comes to be treated, he could spread the disease to all the young infants who come to the same area after him. It’s a public health risk.
Just shut up and take your mercury injection like a good vaccine soldier.
People are far more likely to contract Guillan-Barre Syndrome from an actual case of the flu than from a flu shot. the flu shot actually reduces your risk of contracting this disorder. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/basics/definition/CON-20025832
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/guillainbarre.htm
So now you are reduced to personal insults and nonsense. Apparently you are unaware that mercury is no longer used as a vaccine preservative.
See for example, this article which discusses the 27 fetuses aborted before the rubella virus was found in the 28th
That article is not publicly accessible. Could you please quote a sentence stating that 28 fetuses were aborted for the purpose of producing a vaccine?
“If an unvaccinated kid who contracts measles comes to be treated, he could spread the disease to all the young infants who come to the same area after him”
So it seems to me that your concern with ‘unvaccinated” people is that they ‘could’ spread diseases to other “unvaccinated” people (babies etc.)? Would that be your only concern or are there other concerns also?
“People are far more likely to contract Guillan-Barre Syndrome from an actual case of the flu than from a flu shot.”
Hundreds of people contract Guillan-Barre Syndrome from the flu shot (and from other vaccinations) each year. And the majority of people who contract contract Guillan-Barre Syndrome from the flu have had the flu shot.
“The fact that you tossed people with a medical reason to not vaccinate and don’t want to be harmed by vaccine preventable diseases as “farcical” is insensitive.”
How many people are there who fall into that category? And if they had wanted to; didn’t most have the chance to vaccinate before they became immuno-suppressed?
Yes or no – “do unvaccinated people endanger the lives of parts of the population?”
Yes. And vaccinated people endanger the lives of parts of the population too.
“Apparently you are unaware that mercury is no longer used as a vaccine preservative.”
My understanding is that it is still present in some vaccinations because it is used as a part of the preservation process. But how can you have such blind faith in the same companies that didn’t consider mercury injections to even be a health threat?
Okay, enough with the Big Pharma conspiracy theories. As LilRoof pointed out, they could make a lot more money selling antibiotics and antivirals for vaccine preventable illnesses than they could selling vaccines. Yes, people contract Gullian-Barre from vaccinations, but you are much more likely to contract it from the actual disease itself. If we did not have vaccines, the number of people with Gullian-Barre would be much higher. the flu vaccine is unusual because it does not protect against all variations of the flu and changes every year, but it still reduces risk.
I am also concerned about the children of people who don’t believe in vaccination. Children have the right to medical care, and to be protected from their parents’ lethal ideologies. The measles outbreak in Disneyland is just one example of children’s lives being put at risk because of their anti-vax parents.
“You keep saying that people should have the right to choose to vaccinate or not, and that the people shouldn’t force you to vaccinate if you don’t want to. How is this any different from the pro-choice arguments?”
LilRoof,
People who commit abortion are deliberately taking another persons life. People who are not vaccinated have no intention to deliberately hurt anyone. Can you not see how HUGE a difference that is?
They may not have an intention to deliberately hurt someone but their actions are placing others at risk. People who drive drunk don’t intend to hurt someone, but they still go to jail because their actions create an unacceptable risk to the lives of others.
truth
So a parent who doesn’t vaccinate is more like a drunk driver or somebody randomly shooting a gun in public – would that be a better comparison?
“I am also concerned about the children of people who don’t believe in vaccination.”
So am I. Even more than you are. I see people like you who think they know best for everybody else as very dangerous. Tell me Rebecca, approximately how long (in years) have you been so righteous in your indignation of people who choose not to vaccinate?
And truth – how long have you been so ignorant to the facts that you’re okay endangering your own kids and others?
Truthseeker, take it up with the medical community. The overwhelming scientific consensous is that vaccines are safe and effective. children have rights not to be harmed by whatever stupid pseudoscientific nonsense parents choose to believe in.
I see people like you who think they know best for everybody else as very dangerous. – Again, sounds just like something a pro-choicer would say.
Ex-RINO, the culpability of any parent in their decisions regarding vaccination vary greatly depending on the vaccine and upon the status of the child. Now tell me Ex-RINO, approximately how long (in years) have you been so righteous in your indignation of people who choose not to vaccinate?
Rebecca, is that the best you can do? A non-answer? I didn’t ask you about the ‘medical community’. I asked about you personally. Let me ask you again. Approximately how long (in years) have you been so righteous in your indignation of people who choose not to vaccinate?
Truth, you know that these diseases can kill people. I already told you of babies dying of pertussis. Kids have died from measles, rubella, etc, and yes, even the flu. Don’t even get me started on polio and smallpox. So no, you’re not *intentionally* killing someone, but you are ignoring the fact that they can die from these diseases.
And I’m asking you nicely, please stop with the personal insults on Ex and Becca.
Since you asked me directly – a few years.
I’m a parent and have done the research, and after looking at the data, found that it would be massively ignorant, dangerous, reckless, and quite frankly disrespectful to society as a whole to not vaccinate my children.
I believe people have the right much like I believe people have the right to bang their head into a brick wall if they want – it’s a stupid choice that I would never make.
So again, after looking at the data – it was massively clear to me that I’m not an idiot, won’t ever be an idiot, and I love my children. Furthermore, as a pro-lifer, I want to promote and value the lives of others, so being reckless in a simple area like this, I felt, would be so massively hypocritical that I wouldn’t be comfortable calling myself a pro-lifer while also holding the lives of others in such low regard.
Short answer then – a few years – glad you asked.
I want to be clear I’m not calling you directly an idiot – I’m saying that after doing the research, it was clear that it wouldn’t be logical not to vaccinate – let people fall into whatever camp they fall into.
I became adamantly pro-vaccine around the same time that I became adamantly pro-life, so several years. In both cases, it was looking at the science behind it that made me so passionate about these issues.
A few years, thanks for answering Ex-RINO. Your children are much older than that though, why do you suppose it is that you did not research the data when you making decisions for your children when they were babies getting their first shots?
I didn’t know much about the controversies – the anti-vaccination movement has really reared it’s ugly head in the past few years.
“Truth, you know that these diseases can kill people. I already told you of babies dying of pertussis. Kids have died from measles, rubella, etc, and yes, even the flu. Don’t even get me started on polio and smallpox. So no, you’re not *intentionally* killing someone, but you are ignoring the fact that they can die from these diseases.”
No LilRoof I am not ignoring it. I am weighing what the merits of the vaccine for myself; including both the benefits of NOT exposing myself to vaccine and the possible disadvantage that I could end up being a carrier of the disease. It is a really disingenuous and ludicrous analogy for you to compare that decision to committing abortion. If you can’t even admit that then how can I take you seriously?
“I didn’t know much about the controversies – the anti-vaccination movement has really reared it’s ugly head in the past few years.”
I would disagree on that one Ex-RINO. Parents have been concerned about injecting their children with vaccines for as long as vaccines have been around (certainly a lot more than a few years). For example; in the past many parents opted not get their children vaccinations that contained mercury. In hindsight, I think that you would have to agree that it was wreckless for you and the rest of ‘the herd’ to have taken your children to get those mercury contaminated injections without due diligence and researching what is in them etc..
Yes you are ignoring it. Science has repeatedly confirmed that vaccines are safe. The risk of vaccine injury is incredibly small. Science has also told us that people can die or be injured from vaccine preventable diseases. The risk of being injured or even killed by a disease is higher than being injured or killed by a vaccine.
And yes, I can compare it to abortion. You keep giving the exact same arguments pro-choicers use. If you don’t believe me then reread what you wrote earlier. You keep saying things like “choice to vaccinate” and “don’t force your beliefs on me”. How is that different from what the pro-choicers are saying?
“I became adamantly pro-vaccine around the same time that I became adamantly pro-life, so several years. In both cases, it was looking at the science behind it that made me so passionate about these issues.”
Rebecca, thanks for answering. You say you have been adamant for several years and you say were looking at the science. You also stated earlier in your 9:55pm post that mercury is no longer being used in vaccines. I have two questions for you. Would you inject yourself with a vaccine today if it contained mercury and have you ever refused a vaccination in the past because it contained mercury?
“If you don’t believe me then reread what you wrote earlier. You keep saying things like “choice to vaccinate”
LilRoof, I might say that I made a choice to eat a Burrito too but I really wouldn’t compare that to committing abortion. About all they have in common is that a choice was made.
Is it possible this flu vaccination mania is causing super-flus and actually making people more vulnerable by creating even worse strains of the viruses? Kinda like what they warn about when people overuse antibiotics.
Your choice is not just affecting you, though. Like I’ve said earlier, people can develop complications from these diseases and can become permanently injured or killed from it. Not vaccinating increases the likelihood of you contracting the disease and spreading it to those most vulnerable.
And I wouldn’t say that the flu vaccine is causing the mutations in the flu virus because people don’t “overuse” the flu vaccine. If I’m right, less than half of Americans actually vaccinate against the flu.
Thank you for being more respectful.
I was vaccinated as a child by my pediatrician My decisions regarding all future vaccines will be made in consultation with my doctor based on the risks and benefits involved.
“And I wouldn’t say that the flu vaccine is causing the mutations in the flu virus because people don’t “overuse” the flu vaccine. If I’m right, less than half of Americans actually vaccinate against the flu.”
LilRoof,
What grounds do you use to support the above statement? Cause under 50% of the people take antibiotics annually but we are rightfully still very concerned by the correlation that increased antibiotic use of any particular antibiotic causes a corresponding decrease in the overall effectiveness of that antibiotic in fighting infections. That same correlation seems to hold true when looking at the curent flu vaccines. They say that this years flu vaccine is only effective in some 25% of all the flu cases.
Rebecca, I think almost everybody was given vaccine by their pediatrician and most people consult their physicians regarding vaccines and drugs that they take. But you completely didn’t answer my questions . Here they are again. I have two questions for you. Would you inject yourself with a vaccine today if it contained mercury and have you ever refused a vaccination in the past because it contained mercury? Don’t feel pressured to give a yes or know answer. If you don’t know then just answer I don’t know.
“the flu vaccine is unusual because it does not protect against all variations of the flu and changes every year, but it still reduces risk.”
Rebecca, you should be especially cautious with the flu vaccine because of the ineffectiveness and frequency of vaccination.
LisaC – that’s odd, I’m able to access it just fine. Here is the quote: “Explant cultures were made of the dissected organs of a particular fetus aborted because of rubella, the 27th in our series of fetuses aborted during the 1964 epidemic. The third explant, which happened to be from kidney, was selected arbitrarily for further study. Fibroblast cells that grew out from this explant could be subcultivated after several weeks. The presence of rubella virus in the supernatant fluids was confirmed.” http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=503157
Given that thimerosol is regarded by scientific consensus as being safe in the amounts present in vaccines, yes I would get a vaccine with thimerosol.
Rebecca,
In 1999 the CDC requested that vaccine makers to remove thimerosol from all vaccines as quickly as possible. Do you have any evidence the CDC rescinded that request? Also, what are the ‘acceptable levels’ of thimerosol that the “scientific community” has come to consensus on?
Is this thread still going on?
Any last questions for me – if not, I’m unsubscribing in about 15 minutes…
This thread confuses me more than I am normally confused. Maybe I’m a tad autistic!
A few personal experiences and comments regarding vaccinations:
The one child of mine who was vaccinated against the chicken pox got it much worse than the other two who were not.
I did not get a flu shot this year and did not get the flu. My husband got the flu shot this year but did get the flu. Please pray that I don’t get the flu. Don’t worry, I won’t advocate anyone issuing a fine to you if you don’t pray for me.
After being hospitalized with pneumonia, I was told by a medical professional to get another pneumonia shot in five years. At the five year mark, I was told by a different medical professional that I should get the pneumonia shot in seven years. I was recently told by yet another medical professional that I don’t fall in the at-risk category and should not get the pneumonia shot at all.
These discrepancies confuse me but like I said, I might be on the spectrum. I was asked years ago by a stranger if my youngest was autistic based on the fact he was crawling underneath the pews during Mass. I didn’t think so then (he was three), and I don’t think so now. In my opinion, he was just a little kid confused by what was going on between his then soon-to-be-divorced parents and was acting out. He has also always had a lot of energy! I know someone who heads up an autism group who states that vaccinations absolutely cause autism. I’m not sure why more boys would be diagnosed autistic if this is the case though. Does anyone know of a study that shows more boys are vaccinated than girls?
I talked with my daughter when I learned about the HPV vaccination telling her that I believed it was a good idea for her to get the shot. She refused not only because she hates shots more than the average person but also because she was at the age where she could never imaging being interested in a guy “in that way.” Now that we’ve learned more about that vaccination, I am very glad she held her ground!
I believe that everyone should be told what a vaccine contains. I don’t believe anyone should be forced to be vaccinated or to vaccinate their children. On the whole, I support vaccinations but am guarded about blindly trusting those who vehemently either push or oppose vaccinations.
“take it up with the medical community. The overwhelming scientific consensous is that vaccines are safe and effective.”
That’s what the medical community says about abortion too so there’s that.
Thimerosol is removed from childhood vaccines, it remains in some adult vaccines, because it is generally recognized as safe for those.
Rebecca,
What are the ‘acceptable levels’ of thimerosol that the “scientific community” has come to consensus on?
LisaC – that’s odd, I’m able to access it just fine. Here is the quote: “Explant cultures were made of the dissected organs of a particular fetus aborted because of rubella, the 27th in our series of fetuses aborted during the 1964 epidemic
Yes, that page I could read. But it doesn’t say that the abortions were performed for the purpose of producing a vaccine, which is what you appeared to be saying above.
My understanding is that thimerosol is a toxin that never leaves the body and has a cumulative effect over your lifetime.
JoAnna,
I didn’t realize they used aborted babies to develop vaccines. It’s like murdering a person to harvest their organs. That certainly does pose a moral dilemma for a pro-life person.
LisaC –
“our series of fetuses aborted” – basically they were encouraging women exposed to rubella to abort so they could use the dead babies to try and create a vaccine. 27 of the aborted babies apparently did not have the virus, so they were likely healthy. In contrast, researchers in Japan were able to get a live virus by swabbing the throat of an infected child.
Truthseeker, if you really seek the truth, read what the medical community has to say about thimerosol.
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/thimerosal/
Rebecca,
Thanks for the links but what I was asking you to provide is an authoritavive reference to “‘acceptable levels’ of thimerosol that the “scientific community” has come to consensus on?” and I was not able to find that data mentioned anywhere in the links. Without that I see no way an individual can make an informed decision.
Has anyone else seen a high overlap between people who flipped out over Ebola, and people who say that measles is no big deal? I find it very interesting.
Alexandra,
What about the overlap between the people who said Ebola was no big deal and the people who freak out over ‘unvaccinated’ people.
The thimerosol in vaccines is recognized as safe in the amount and on the schedule that is recommended by medical authorities.
Rebecca–I find it highly offensive that you would consider anyone one of us parents who choose to not vaccinate our children anti-life. Seriously, I have been on the frontlines of the pro-life movement crying out for the life of children since the early 90’s and I chose not to vaccinate my children after doing research and having friends that had severe vaccine injuries to their precious children.
I along with thousands are not robots told what to think and what to do. Thousands of us have enough sense to know that injecting thermasol (mercury) into oneself is highly toxic and ends up in the brain. We also know that aluminum is highly toxic as well and both mercury and aluminum affect the neurological system.
Gee, just think, if there is an accidental spill of mercury in a lab, everyone has to evacuate immediately, but yet, the population thinks nothing of injecting that into innocent children.
And by the way, why are parents winning lawsuits and collecting settlements for their vaccine injured children if it’s all just a bunch of bunk.
My children are grown now, and by the way, very healthy. And, oh yes, they had measles, and oh my, chicken pox!!!!! And guess what, they survived. At one time, this was just another childhood disease that mom took care of her children.
And on another note…..why in the world, if one claims to be prolife would inject fetal remains into oneself or your children? This is mind boggling to me to say the least!
Caroline, there wasn’t a measles vaccine in the 1960s. Kids just got measles and that was that. Same was true of chicken pox and mumps.
My husband had all the childhood diseases. Oddly enough, I never got measles or mumps (though I grew up in a large family with kids who did), but I had chicken pox twice.
RE the article: Putting aborted fetus cells in vaccines or anything else is pure evil. Nothing but evil.
Thousands of us have enough sense to know that injecting thermasol (mercury) into oneself is highly toxic and ends up in the brain. We also know that aluminum is highly toxic as well and both mercury and aluminum affect the neurological system.
Good points, Carol. Many people are very concerned about mercury (so they limit their intake of tuna) and use of aluminum (which appears to be linked to Alzheimer’s disease, a neurological condition) – so why aren’t all those people concerned about their use in vaccines???
I don’t like the bullying of anti-vaccine people. Many people are trying to decipher reams of pseudo-science that sound scary. They are trying to make good decisions. Then there are those that cannot be penetrated by facts. There are definitely vaccines on the market today for viruses that are poor candidates for vaccines (ahem…flu I’m looking at you). But I routinely see incredible misinformation used to oppose all vaccines. I’m very surprised to find so much of that here. The plural of anecdote is not data and just because something sounds scary doesn’t mean it is when properly understood.
“Oh my goodness truth – I beg of you – step away from Fox News for 10 minutes, and do some research.”
Unfortunately when it comes to those who strenuously oppose vaccines, it’s an unholy alliance of bipartisan foolishness.
“My understanding is that thimerosol is a toxin that never leaves the body and has a cumulative effect over your lifetime.”
Your understanding is incorrect. Ethylmercury does not stay in the body over a lifetime.
I was vaccinated with vaccines preserved with thimerisol, and I would absolutely be vaccinated again with the same vaccines. I still eat fish and that contains the mercury that DOES build in your system cumulatively. And in far far higher amounts. Obviously I stick to recommended guidelines, but I still eat it when all it does it taste good – it doesn’t save my life and help me protect the lives of others.
JoAnna, I think your concerns are valid. It’s heartbreaking. Ultimately I don’t find it a bar to being vaccinated, but I understand someone feeling that it is.
I try my utmost to take care when I’m sick and not spread it – even at my own inconvenience. I feel bad when someone gets my cold even if I did everything I could to prevent it. I honestly could not live with myself if a young child or immuno-compromised person got a vaccine preventable illness from me. It’s not only your own health that you risk.
CT, I don’t approve of bullying by anyone, period. I have valid concerns about vaccines, but I did not arrive at that place by anyone’s bullying, nor have I bullied anyone who is pro-vaccine.
That said, may I please address a petard that is thrown out on virtually every discussion board at least once a week, in an attempt to silence anyone who takes a non-politically-correct position on virtually anything, by accusing them of “getting their news from Fox News”. Scorn and attempts to silence conservatives are bullying.
I do not get my news from Fox News, and I am conservative. I’ve agreed and disagreed with their announcers. But if it weren’t for Fox News, every TV news outlet would be MSM – and they’re solidly liberal and unabashedly opinionated. They abandoned any semblance of journalistic integrity and non-bias YEARS ago, and I have heard outright bullying from some of their guys.
This was pointed out here just a few days ago when it was reported that only one MSM news outlet (CBS News) gave ANY coverage to the thousands and thousands of people who attended the national Pro-Life Rally in Washington, DC, last week. And CBS News’ mention was extremely brief, giving it very little justice.
So, please realize that if you wish to demonize Fox News, MSM can be rightfully criticized too.
Time to edit ran out. I should have written the last sentence this way:
So, please realize that if you wish to demonize Fox News (and anyone who watches it) OR issue a blanket condemnation of conservatives who (you assume) get their news there, MSM can be rightfully criticized too.
CT, would you get vaccinated while there was a chance that you were pregnant?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/08/health/mercury-adhd/
Truth,
Yes, absolutely. Because as I already stated, the methylmercury discussed in the article is not the same as ethylmercury which is what thimerosal breaks down to.
Claire,
I don’t think anyone arrives at their anti-vaccine stances through bullying. I was saying that I don’t agree with bullying anti-vaxxers. I prefer to persuade to the extent that is possible.
I am concerned about the shingles vaccine. It is also made from aborted fetal cell lines. I don’t want to support an industry that uses aborted children for profit. I hope they listen to our concerns and make ethical vaccines!!
CT,
I don’t think the article specifies whether the mercury poisoning came from methly or ethly; it just measured the aggregate amount of mercury found in the mother’s hair.
What if the vaccine did use ethylmercury, would you still absolutely get it?
Ethlymercury doesn’t stay in your system.
Sorry didn’t edit in time. It does not stay in your system. If I were concerned about these minute amounts of a form of mercury that is not cumulative, and believed that it might temporarily bump me into a realm of danger, I’d eat less fish for a while before I skipped my vaccines. I don’t even have to make that trade-off though since all vaccines save one are now available without Thimerosal.
basically they were encouraging women exposed to rubella to abort so they could use the dead babies to try and create a vaccine.
You have no clue what conversations were had with the women. What’s the point of making that up?
27 of the aborted babies apparently did not have the virus, so they were likely healthy. In contrast, researchers in Japan were able to get a live virus by swabbing the throat of an infected child.
All you’re doing is parroting (with minor confusion) the anti-vax column that you posted above. The article by the creators of the vaccine (at least the publicly accessible part) simply says that the 27th fetal sample is the one that produced the strain used for the vaccine. It doesn’t say whether none of the other 26 produced a usable sample of the virus, or if some produced samples that were cultivated in ways that they concluded were less effective than the one they ultimately used. Even if none of the others produced samples of the virus, that does not mean that the fetuses were uninfected. The Japanese study that you refer to above (Kawana and Kaneko, Japanese Journal of Microbiology 21: 28) said that researchers had difficulty obtaining virus samples from children in the later stages of the disease, and that they found no virus in blood samples taken more than three days after the onset of the rash. Or are you claiming that those children never had the illness in the first place?
It should be noted–although it may not matter to anyone here–that the whole point of developing the rubella vaccine was to protect fetuses, which is purportedly the goal of the pro-life movement. That’s probably not going to make much headway with the “science is evil” crowd.
[…] Jill Stanek wrote about what Judie Brown and American Life League said about it: […]
CT,
I am still in the not sure exactly what to believe camp. According to this article the human body metabolizes ethyl mercury into methyl mercury and the methyl mercury ends up in your nervous system and your brain. On it’s face value; injecting any amount of mercury into my blood is a really bad idea and I just have a lot more caution than I have ‘faith’ in the safety of vaccines.
http://www.infowars.com/mercury-in-vaccines-no-more-dangerous-than-the-mercury-in-a-tuna-sandwich/
Yeah, I think I’ll pass on reading this one. Good to see so many people passionate about the issues though.
LisaC – “our series of abortions” isn’t a clue? Calling the abortions “ours” pretty much says that they were orchestrated, no? And if you don’t think doctors ever pressure women to abort, you are being hopelessly naive.
The column I posted wasn’t “anti-vax,” and neither am I. My kids have DTAP and all other ethically-sourced vaccines. I just don’t like the prospect of participating in the evil of abortion, however remotely. To me, using the vaccines is like saying those abortions were perfectly fine since scientists brought good out of them. But they were not fine. They were evil.
If the FDA would allow importation of the Japanese rubella vaccine (which they were able to develop), I’d use it in a heartbeat. I’d use ethically-sources measles and mumps as well if I could procure them from Merck. I’d gladly pay out of pocket unless they were charging $10,000 a pop or something prohibitively expensive like that.
So, I wish there were ethical versions available so I didn’t have to make this choice or have this dilemma. Participate in evil or protect my kids (or others)?
Pro-vaccination people have already made all the arguments I would excellently so I won’t go into it again. Seems as though everyone has made up their mind and won’t be swayed with evidence.
I do want to point out that more people have died of measles in one year in its heyday than have EVER died of Ebola. Same for smallpox and polio (more people died DAILY than have ever died from Ebola) and the disease mechanisms are such that it’s highly doubtful that Ebola could ever become the epidemiC that those preventable diseases did. We got rid of smallpox permanently but the others are still around and coming back, and I am not gonna risk infants dying because of pseudoscience and hysteria that has no basis in fact. But Ebola is the one we are freaking on.
I would not knowingly use any vaccine or product with aborted fetal cell DNA. About vaccines and autism: it is absolutely true that some children have permanent neurological damage, and yes, autism from vaccines. This has been the verdict decided by the very rigorous standard of the US vaccine court. So SOME children have become autistic after vaccines and courts have acknowledged this fact and awarded millions of dollars to these families. The issue is HOW MANY children are neurologically damaged (including autism)by vaccines, not IF it ever happened. This is not always predictable. (This of course does not mean all autism is vaccine related; autism is poorly understood and multifactorial).
For those wanting to force-vaccinate everyone, will you provide lifetime care for MY child if he/she is force-vaccinated to protect YOUR child? I cannot believe how one groups of parent is accusing the other of being selfish, when both are looking out for their own child’s self-interest as they should.
Ok the vaccine courts are staffed with lawyers not doctors! I think it is interesting that people do not trust the FDA, the CDC, and the massive studies done by scientists that show no link to autism. Yet you think this court is all true. It really isn’t about using fetal cells but the fear of modern medicine.
You ask if we would pay to support autistic children. Well how about when a unvaccinated kid gives rubella to a pregnant woman and her baby dies?. How about when your unvaccinated kid kills a chemo patient? All for junk science!
The vaccine court gives out money without proving anything concrete.
Can someone explain why more boys are diagnosed autistic than girls? Are boys more likely to get vaccines or are they just more susceptible to autism?
Fact: Autism – regressive autism has increased in its prevalence from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 58 since the initiation of the triple shot MMR.
Fact: There was a decrease in autism in Japan when Japanese parents lost confidence in the triple shot MMR. When Japanese doctor began giving the M single shot, M single shot & R single shot on the same day or within a couple of weeks, that was the same thing immunologically as the triple shot MMR & autism rates went back up.
Fact: Science is about looking for patterns. The pattern shows that certain children (and at this point doctors can not predict which ones) react to MMR by screaming loudly for an hour to 3 hours, inconsolably, then often have a high fever, and sometimes seize. This seizure results in cognitive dysfuntion, otherwise known as brain damage. The gut is also damaged and unable to properly act as a barrier to substances (digested food) which is harmful to the bloodstream Thus the bloodsteam passes these molecules to the brain and the brain is negatively affected. Gastrointestinal colitis then results. The child experiences pain, and often acts out in the form of head banging to relieve the pain. This is a common pattern seen in a certain number of children after the triple MMR. Furthermore there is regression of developmental skills. This is labeled as regressive autism. Developmental autism has a different pattern, and symptoms often occur at a much earlier age. Developmental autism has a different trigger than regressive autism.
Q: Why is there a higher rate of autism in males than in girls?
A: Good question. The male body is different than the female body and they react in different ways to different things. In this case, males must be more susceptible to the environmental trigger which causes the cognitive dysfunction. It is the same reason why different races or males vs. females have differing rates of prevalence for other conditions, such as hearing loss, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s, Glaucoma, seizure disorders, certain types of cancers, etcetera. At this point, researchers have not answered this question definitively, but it is an excellent question to research!
An as of yet unpublished research study examined the current schedule of vaccines on primates’ brain development. The findings were such that the primates exhibited statistically significant developmental delays in early developmental milestones, including the sucking reflex, the rooting reflex and the snouting reflex. When studied on imaging scans, the vaccinated group had longer dendrites, shorter axons, larger brains, and changes in the amygdala, which is the center for emotion. These characteristics are also seen in the brains of individuals with autism. This was a randomized controlled double-blind group study with placebo.
Recently, there was a case in which the Centers for Disease Control was found to be covering up data which showed a 340% increase in Autism among African-American boys. The Freedom of Information Act was employed, and a secret letter was obtained showing that a certain doctor manipulated the data “in the interest of public health”. Later, this researcher went to work for Merck.
Scientific literature on vaccines states that an estimated 1% of adverse events are actually reported. There are many other adverse events which are never reported. Then there are the effects of the vaccines which the doctors deny or do not realize are connected to the vaccines, such as severe allergies asthma (which research has shown a huge increase in the levels of asthma following vaccines), Type 1 Diabetes, and childhood reactive airway disorder, just to name a few. We do not know which things are the result of vaccines and which things the child would have developed anyways because many of these issues have never been studied. In short, there are no adequate safety studies which have been conducted. Vaccines must be tested against a placebo of a saline injection, which is the common medical standard for other drugs, but they have only ever been tested against another vaccine or series of vaccines. Furthermore, medical journals contain large ads from vaccine makers. In other words, the vaccine makers are paying money to these medical journals, which is a serious conflict of interest and unethical. Furthermore, the government, which has a vested interest in continuing to promote vaccines, is often funding vaccine research, which is another conflict of interest. When a conflict of interest exists, it means that a researcher may be pressured to “find” a particular outcome rather than to truthfully answer the question at hand. Thus, in spite of the conclusions of the study, the researchers will always write, “In the interest of public health, the current vaccine schedule should be continued”. They write this even when the study results determine that there is a clear, statistically significant negative finding against a vaccine.
Correction: *dysfunction* & *bloodstream* – in the above post