New poll/Old poll
The new poll question is up, and I’ll be very interested in the results:
For president did you vote for who your parents voted for or would have voted for?
Most of you totally missed the sexism/bias displayed against Sarah Palin for the attack on the cost of her wardrobe…
Bear in mind Vizu tracks only the most recent 500 votes when looking for your own brightly colored flag (click to enlarge)…
As always, make comments to either this or last week’s poll here, not on the Vizu website.
Nov.05, 2008 12:35 pm |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Heh.
I wrote in “Stephen T. Colbert” on my ballot, mostly because I live in Minnesota and knew we were going for Obama anyway.
That and I was really displeased with both candidates and couldn’t in good faith vote for either, but I had to vote so that I could have “kvetching” rights. So I wrote in Stephen Colbert so that I did technically vote but no matter who was in office I could say, “I didn’t vote for ’em” if they sucked.
As far as I know, my parental units voted for McCain/Palin (well- my dad did…my mom just votes for who my dad tells her to vote for).
Yup, sure did! In fact, when I received my absentee ballot, I called up my dad and had him tell me who the pro-lifers (i.e. who to vote for) were in all the smaller district stuff that I didn’t know about. So the whole family is disappointed today.
“my mom just votes for who my dad tells her to vote for”
So your mom and I have something in common, Rae! Besides, of course, thinking you’re the coolest!
Neither Obama or Biden sold themselves as being “working class” or “Joe Six-Pack”. Whereas Palin branded and marketed herself as working class – talking about the consignment shop that she shopped at. She made her appearance an issue by using it – the idea of her frugality – as a way to get people to identify with her. Michelle Obama to my recollection only talked about clothes once, when she mentioned a dress that she got at Banana Republic for like $60 on an episode of The View. That is why it is an issue for palin and not for obama.
“Most of you totally missed the sexism/bias displayed against Sarah Palin for the attack on the cost of her wardrobe”
“missed” is a strange verb here. You mean, “don’t agree with you.” Palin and her handlers spent a lot of money on very expensive clothes while trying at the same time to paint Obama as an out of touch elitist. She can’t be Joe Sixpack hockey mom and wear those clothes without some backlash. (which, by the way, was never a huge deal)
Actually Bobby- my mom doesn’t think I’m cool.
Nope, both my parents voted McCain/Palin. Dad’s a Republican and my Mom is an independent who typically leans to the left. She voted as she put it “for the lesser of two evils,” she didnt truly support either candidate. I did get my mom to change her vote on question 2 though :).
Heh, I’m a black sheep in my family, my parents and brother all voted McCain/Palin. They’re not thrilled about my happy demeanor today.
Erin, you’re the greatest.
“She can’t be Joe Sixpack hockey mom.”
Why must she be she’s on the verge of poverty in some people’s eyes because she says she’s a hockey mom? That’s not what she is saying. She’s definitely not an elitist.
An elitist is not the same as a person who spends a lot of money on something. An elitist feels they are better than others and act like they deserve better than others.
Someone who spends their money freely might be the most humble person in the world, and give money freely to charity as well. So why pick on Sarah???
Heh, I’m a black sheep in my family
Maybe you are only joking, but you shouldn’t be so self-deprecating! That kind of talk tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy as well! :^)
“my mom just votes for who my dad tells her to vote for”
I’ll get a lot of grief for saying this, but sometimes I wonder if the female vote was all that important way back when it first came about. Today, when women vote opposite their husbands, the votes cancel each other out. When they vote the same as their husbands, which is quite common, they just double the votes, Dem or Rep equally. So was it only single women who wanted the vote? And why? Early feminism? Look where we are now. Unlimited abortion. Are abortion and the female vote connected. Was it such a good thing? Just a thought…
Janet, I don’t understand your point. If a woman votes different than her husband, it’s a vote for a different candidate. Just like if you vote different than your neighbor. If you support a different candidate than your husband, why should he get to vote for his candidate and you not have the same right? As for voting the same as your husband, that’s two votes for the candidate you support. What’s wrong with that?
Most of you totally missed the sexism/bias displayed against Sarah Palin for the attack on the cost of her wardrobe.
Most people realized that the issue was that it was campaign money.
I’m sure everybody’s clothes cost quite a bit in the end, but the deal with Palin was that it was campaign money/
My mom – Obama all the way.
My wife and I voted for Obama, though we’ve always liked McCain. My wife is more idealistic than I. For me, given the realities of the Presidency and the nation’s economy at present, the Pro-Choice thing was the make-or-break deal.
My dad and step-mother were torn between the two candidates. Had Romney been the VP, I think one or both would have voted for McCain. That said, I haven’t seen them in a month or so, and I don’t know how they voted for sure.
I actually assumed my parents would go for McCain, even though they are both Democrats, but I was pleasantly surprised they picked Obama.
My sister was hardcore Mccain, though. We got into a facebook argument on the likelihood of me being sold into slavery in the Middle East while she becomes dictator of Mexico.
My Parents and I voted for McCain because of his more leaning towards an anti abortion position. They were democrats until early 2006. I am non partisan/Independent.
So what if it was Sarah’s campaign money????? She bought the clothes for the campaign. Sheesh. Also, I bet Michelle had most of her clothes donated, or paid for by the campaign or Oprah. :) Rumor had it that there was one local Chicago designer that created her wardrobe. Personally, I thought her choice of clothes was terrible, although many people thought she looked great. to each his own. The only reason this is a story at all is because the MSM wanted to cut her down to nothing. She also said a few weeks ago that there were still bags of clothes packed in the jet that she had never even touched.
I don’t know how anyone can complain when Obama begged for and got 750,000 MILLION dollars from contributors. How much is left and does he get to keep the rest? I don’t know.
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Hal @ 2:06,
I just threw the question out there, and I’d like to see what people think. I don’t know if there is a “right” answer.
Janet, change “woman’s right to vote” to a “man’s right to vote.” See if it makes sense.
I seem to recall that someone here predicted this election would be won by thinking people and would be a referendum on the Religious Right.
This is what you all get for scheming to overturn Roe/Wade. It’s Ronald Reagan’s fault–he started it.
By the way, I’m predicting there will be more right-to-life terror soon. I also predict that this time there will be a backlash in kind–equally violent counterattacks on visible right-to-lifers, those who most strongly symbolize the movement.
I would sincerely advise Jill to take an immediate vacation abroad if there is another act of RTL terror. I would not be surprised if she became a target for counterterror.
TSF,
None of us are afraid to die for what we believe in.
Truthsetfree, I completely disagree with you. I don’t think “right to life terror” is likely soon. In the very unfortunate event that there is some, I don’t see any reason to predict a violent backlash. Finally, I really, really, don’t see any reason Jill would be a target of any violence. Us pro-choicers are generally in favor of free speech and the associated rights. As much as I disagree with Jill now and then, it is very clear that she has never incited anything violent nor could she be viewed that way. If things got as ugly as you say, I’m sure Jill and the others here would be the first to condemn any violence.
If I didn’t know better, I might think you were trying to chill her right to publish the blog.
Based on what the post claims, I think truthsetfree is probably another alias for Doctordefense…although I could be wrong.
Hal, very nice post.
Hmmm, interesting observation, Bethany…
who the heck is Doctordefense?
The right to life people I know are very peaceful. They are not the types to bomb clinics. They offer real alternatives for scared women and girls that think abortion is their ONLY choice because society expects it!
Why are black women 3 times more likely to abort? Can someone tell me that? Besides poverty.
I always consult with my father in regards to voting. I usually listen to what he has to tell me in regards to his opinion.
Yes, he influences me a great deal because he has more experience and I respect his opinion.
My family voted for McCain and Palin, so did I.
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Janet:
I wrote my Master’s Essay on Carrie Chapman Catt, the president of the National Women’s Suffrage Association whose “Winning Plan” was the final push in achieving women’s suffrage, so I happen to know the answer to your question about why women wanted to vote. By today’s standards, the “Women Movement” as it was called is very counter-intuitive. It was based in the ideal that women are different from men and their voice should be heard because their point of view and specializations (motherhood, peacemakers, healers, etc) would be unique from their male counterparts (not, as a modern feminist might say, because men and women are the same). “Women Movement” stuff included pacifism, changes in child labor laws, prohibition, immigration reform (that is, keep immigrants out and quickly acclimate those who are already here), education reform, and poverty relief. Think Jane Addams Hull House, that kind of thing.
Margaret Sanger and Alice Paul (who championed the first ERA) were around at this same time, but they were definitely fringe. Many times they were criticized by the NAWSA because their radicalism hurt the suffrage movement. Achieving suffrage had absolutely nothing to do with abortion or birth control for most women.
If you notice, prohibition and immigration reform both passed right around the time that women achieved national suffrage (already there had been universal suffrage in some states), but almost from the beginning, women and men voted the same. There was no big block of women voters changing the landscape.
Hope you enjoyed the history lesson!
Erin H,
but almost from the beginning, women and men voted the same. There was no big block of women voters changing the landscape.
Thanks for the history lesson! Very interesting! Are you saying that married couples(“women and men”) voted the same? That’s what I would have suspected from stories I’ve heard from older relatives.
Somehow it doesn’t surprise me that Margaret Sanger was on the fringe.
Seeing as financial stability is a big factor in why or why not people choose to have children I wouldn’t see why it isn’t a big factor in the African American community Liz.
Patricia, a while back, a commenter named DoctorDefense was frequently trying to encourage other readers to “counter terrorize” those families of those who had bombed abortion clinics, telling them they would be “heroes” if they did so, and they would “send a message to pro-lifers everywhere”. He called for their families to be killed, and was very descriptive of the ways that he wanted them killed. Sometimes he would even post their addresses here and we would have to delete them.
Janet:
I mean that the percentage of Americans voting this way or that way did not reflect a giant block of new women voters. Some women voted Republican, some voted Democrat or Progressive, but (just like men) they did not vote in a block. So, yes, married couples did vote alike, but across the board women split between the parties with approximately the same percentages as men.
Why are black women 3 times more likely to abort? Can someone tell me that? Besides poverty.
Could it be they don’t have a family unit to support them in the event that they choose to raise a fatherless child? Seems that we have heard a lot about the lack of male participation in the the black family unit (seems like we all have heard or know a “mean black momma”).
I do remember hearing something about a “million man march” that did not have anywhere near that number of black men involved in it.
I truly don’t know, just throwing this out.
Please don’t take alarm at the term Black man/men, I just don’t see the term African American as a valid term unless you are:
) just off the boat and nationalized
) or s second generation American whose parents were from Africa.
(how silly would it be for white Americans to demand the be call English Americans or Italian Americans or German Americans etc .. Get the Idea?)
Aren’t we truly AMERICANS first no matter the color of our skin? anything else is a insult to our forefathers/fathers.
Just some thoughts now that we have a new leader elect who says he wants to improve/change this country. Maybe this should be his first matter to work on.
Thanks, Erin H!
Anon,
I think the term Black American is perfectly acceptable – in the Midwest anyways. Some Blacks prefer African American if their ancestors were slaves from Africa several generations ago. Not all Blacks in the US are from Africa.
I think Truthsetfree maybe SoMG….he used go on those counter-terror rants..
Obama is not in favor of free speech. I suspect this site will get a threatening legal letter from Obama late january. It is chilling when a man has no intention to understand protection of babies born alive he sure won’t proctect discussion of sites that challenge his mantra. There are several Christian legal groups that can put that in it’s place. Again the threats will come and we need them to be posted oppenly and expose the attempts at control for what they are.
I told my parents who to vote for, in the local races, that is. It boils down to the most pro-life and most conservative candidates, which just happened to be all Republicans this time. Plus I find it hard to trust any “pro-life Democrat” anymore considering that many “pro-life” Democrat politicians in my area supported Obama. Party before principles!
My parents and I are in complete agreement about McCain and Obama. We don’t like McCain, but we all think that Obama is A-W-F-U-L and that the “hard work” that’s going to be done over the next four years isn’t going to be Obamaniacs “changing” anything, but rather we conservatives doing everything we can to save America from insane liberal policies.
I do differ from my parents in my Palinmania, however. They like Romney better. I think Sarah Palin is the best hope for the future of the Republican Party.
I have a serious question. Say you’re voting for..i don’t know, coroner.. do you still require them to be pro-life?
I vote Pro Life, my dad does not, and my mom usually does, although this year she did let out that she might stray from her usual. My sibs are split too, 3 vote one side, 3 the other. Needless to say, politics and religion are not often discussed at family events!
I voted McCain, my Dad can’t understand why I did. But just that I’m republican just like the rest of the whole famn damily, he shakes his head like I should know better. You should of seen us trying to debate thru text on our phones…*eyeroll*
I applaud your site/blog, Jill! I have followed it since the beginning of the Presidential campaign, and it has certainly opened my eyes to where we SHOULD be as Christians in general and Americans. Back to your original post for this day, it involves the new poll. YES, I voted how my parents DID vote, but it wasn’t because of their views that I voted the same as them. As a Christian family, it just made sense to keep FAITH and MORALS in mind at the polls rather than JUST the economy and war. To vote for someone that gains applause and followers by exclaiming that he wouldn’t want his daughters punished with a child…geez, Louise! What is THAT?!? I’m not quite sure where our nation is headed as far as morals and values, but it scares me to imagine what our nation will be viewing as “morally acceptable” in future elections! Thanks Jill, and God Bless You!
I remember when my wife and I lived in Kansas and the Rev. Phelps, his family and members of his church used to picket with signs like, “God Hates Fags” and “Queers Go to Hell”. It really used to bother me because we’d go out with our church with pro-life signs and I used to wonder, “What in the world do people think of us?”, “Are we changing ANYBODY’S mind by picketing?”, and “Are were saving any souls by doing this?”.
I want to remind everyone that Norma McCorvey (the famous “Roe” of “Roe v. Wade”) didn’t come to Christ until she was “befriended” by Flip Benham. Flip originally screamed at her that she was responsible for killing 33 million kids but he didn’t just write her off as another Hitler. He spent the time getting to know her and sharing with her.
One reason that McCain did so poorly election night is due to all the negative campaigning. I live in western Pennsylvania and every single day and night there were negative ads, robocalls and literature warning us about Obama. People become desensitized to negativity and the messages of pro-life advocates become marginalized.
Obama, on the other hand, manages to demonstrate a calmness and reasonableness that contrasts sharply with McCain’s anger, frustration and fear mongering. Our pro-life voices tend to sound shrill and angry, just like McCain’s, and people just get turned off by that.
We need to INSPIRE people to accept a pro-life position, not just innundate them with the evils of abortion. Demonizing those who don’t believe as we do has no positive impact and doesn’t help advance a pro-life agenda.
I loved the work of C. Everett Koop, former Surgeon General of the US, and Dr. Francis Schaeffer. They managed to present the pro-life argument with authority, grace and modesty.
The pro-life movement will achieve nothing but notoriety by outrageous acts and statements. Calling the president-elect a BARBARIAN achieves nothing and shows a disrespect and lack of humility unworthy of the label “Christian”.
I haven’t read Norma’s book, but there was an excerpt on her website at one time. She was befriended by someone from Operation Rescue who had a little girl. She found out this beautiful little girl had almost been aborted. Gradually she accepted their friendship, quit her job, and fell away from the pro abortion industry to support Pro Life causes. She’s now Catholic.
One reason that McCain did so poorly election night is due to all the negative campaigning. I live in western Pennsylvania and every single day and night there were negative ads, robocalls and literature warning us about Obama. People become desensitized to negativity and the messages of pro-life advocates become marginalized.
Obama, on the other hand, manages to demonstrate a calmness and reasonableness that contrasts sharply with McCain’s anger, frustration and fear mongering. Our pro-life voices tend to sound shrill and angry, just like McCain’s, and people just get turned off by that.
Posted by: CaryC
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Yep, no doubt about it. And Palin, while at first looking like a decent choice, became an anchor around McCain’s neck.