Real mature
A Fox News commentator noted this morning that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad allows dissent on his blog, to which another responded he’s more mature than American Democrat and liberal bloggers, who screen every comment and automatically delete differences of opinion.
I thought, that’s for sure, pro-life bloggers can attest to that.
And I thought one reason why is liberal opinion is so often nonsensical, easy to pick apart, focusing mostly on personal attacks laced with expletives. (In fact, I have not found another blog besides this one where pro-lifers and pro-aborts engage in mostly intelligent debate.)
I was mulling that when I opened the Center for Bio Ethical Reform Midwest’s latest posting of a Genocide Awareness Project tour it conducted at Temple University in Philadelphia October 30-31.
You know the drill, if you’ve been reading my site. CBR sets up large displays on college campuses comparing various human atrocities to abortion so as to encourage thought and discussion, like at Temple:
What grabbed my attention this time was the idiotic dissent, captured perfectly by this coarse photo:
Obviously, the fellow on the left does not have the female anatomy he advises President Bush to stay away from, and the “real man” on the right is hiding behind his sign.
Then there were the masked pro-abort cheerleaders, reminiscent of the Planned Parenthood pep rally at Aurora City Hall a couple months back.
One observer of the aforementioned wrote a letter to the editor of the Temple student newspaper:
… [T]he FLMA [Feminist Majority Leadership Alliance] did not attempt to engage in civil debate…. Instead, they chanted nonsense like, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, this sexist bulls—t has gotta go!” They also held up informative signs with messages like, “Keep Your Laws out of My Vagina!” and wore pink bandannas over their faces.
The FLMA had the chance to inform the Temple student body about their side of the abortion debate. It was a simple task, and they failed in what could have been an interesting debate, but they chose to act like screaming infants. Maybe it makes sense that they covered their faces because they should be embarrassed for their ridiculous, babyish behavior. I wanted to tell them, “Quiet down, children. Let the grownups do the talking.”
It is indeed a simple task to debate abortion. But I agree: there are few grown-ups in the bunch who can handle it.
See more photos of the GAP event at Temple here.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Real men support CHOICE? LOL!
Is that a man holding a sign that says “Stay out of my Bush??” Double LOL!
Um, Jill. Are you sure that is “a fellow”? I’m not saying one way or another, but I know that on college campuses it can sometimes be hard to tell;)
okay. i just saw that in jill’s article.
Here’s a tip for them. Keep penises out of your vagina.
Real men take care of the babies that they help to make.
The Republican debate is on in an hour.
I can just sit and watch those pro-lifers rip each other up.
Jill,
Great post. Since you brought up the subject on being a pro-life blogger here are my few cents. While I have witnessed my post being deleted on some liberal blogs, I do not get upset over that. I have to admit that I delete many messages- especially if a message could offend my readers.
It may seem like a “plug”, but I have recently created a community for pro-life bloggers on one of the growing “online social community”:
http://www.bumpzee.com/prolife/
I have added few blogs, including yours to that community. So if you decide to join and your blog is already there, you can “claim it”.
Jill, if you find this comment inappropriate please delete it. Thanks.
Vlad.
Vlad, thanks for adding my blog! I appreciate your publicity… :)
The guy with the “Keep Bush out…” sign is yet another example of pro-abort insanity. I’ve witnessed a number of female borts boasting anatomy they don’t have, either, by flipping off pro-lifers. (Lots of male borts do that, too; though in their case, they have the corresponding anatomy, they just haven’t mastered using it constructively/responsibly.)
I hung out observing a GAP display earlier this year; it was kind of funny watching the idiotic non sequiturs they invariably trot out in lieu of any actual refutation of the pro-life message. It was also sad but funny to see a tenured proabort sociology professor at that particular school waving a poster that read, “Women of Color, unite!” seeing that that professor is white, and that the abortion industry has dismembered so many man and women of color before they are born.
It would be interesting seeing her and her proteges putting even one of those murdered babies back together so that she could eventually grow to womanhood. Even superracist abortion profiteer Edward Allred pointed out that women of color are more likely to die from abortion complications, due largely to racist attitudes among his ilk.
They tend to regurgitate the same old proabort chants we heard at rescue events in the 80s, despite the fact that they’ve been so roundly discredited.
“Right to Life your name’s a lie; you don’t care if women die”…yeah, right; this is more accurately phrased, “SAFE & LEGAL? THAT’S A LIE; SEVEN TIMES MORE WOMEN DIE”.
Or, “Pro-choice” Your names a lie; Babies never choose to die…”
Then there’s “2-4-6-10, why are all your leaders men?” … another complete crock; a greater percentage of prolife leaders are women than abortionists; the feminist movement didn’t champion child killing until a MALE population control freak convinced the leaders of NOW that in order to be equal to the pondscum known as man, they had to kill their children. Then, all those who voted on Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton were men.
Speaking of men, though, there’s their classic, “Pro-choice guys are really great; they let women decide their fate”…total B.S., more accurately phrased, “Proabort guys are cowardly crap; they leave women to take the rap”. You can choose an action, but you can’t control the consequences of that action; of the hundreds (at least) of women killed by legal abortion complications post-Roe, I’m willing to wager that none of them thought she would die…just like few of them actually thought she would get pregnant.
Roe and Doe are two laws that should be kept off the bodies of all men and women, born and unborn.
It’s really ironic that most of the PP/NARAL cheerleaders and their homeboys were born since 1973. They are championing an industry that would have, given the chance and the money, gladly ripped them up (hello, laura?!)and laughed all the way to the bank with the bloodmoney; yet they are alive…cursing those of us who would have tried to save the lives they obviously want continued.
Why don’t they ever learn?!
And these are the same faux feminist groups that REFUSE to challenge Islam, support Iranian dissenters or even support brave women such as Dr. Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali who live under fatwas calling for their death. (“Prolife” Muslims won’t abort their baby girls before birth; but step out of line 16 years after she is born and the gal gets her throat slashed.)
Creeps like Iranian Prez Ah-Mad-in-the-Head and his mullah puppet masters have arrested thousands of women over the past couple of months, imprisoning some, fining others, and beating more than a few over UNISLAMIC dress. You know how a wisp of hair and an exposed earlobe can lead a muslim man into a woman’s seductive powers. I am sure, Jill, that MadintheHead allows dissenting posts to his blog only to trace them and punish the ones brave enough to dissent.
Wait, *liberal* bloggers screen every comment? I’ve commented on, oh, a LOT of liberal blogs and this has never been my experience. I’m told that suppression of dissenting views is pretty fierce on Free Republic, though I’ve never cared to post there and find out.
There are still major conservative bloggers who don’t even allow comments (Glenn Reynolds, for instance, and there are no comments on the National Review blog). I can’t think of any major liberal blogs that don’t have comments, although I certainly might have missed one.
The dude with the “My Bush” sign is pretty hilarious, though. Reminiscent of men chanting “Keep your rosaries off my ovaries!”
Haha Heather, stop, my sides are hurting from the laughter!!
“Here’s a tip. Keep penises out of your vagina”
You go girl.
Real men take care of the babies that they help to make.
Haha, yes they do.
Or they do the alternative and wind up being damn near 30, partying out at clubs and posting pictures of it on their myspaces. (Not like I am speaking from personal experience AT ALL)
..ick..sorry..i’m just having one of those, “I hate my daughter’s deadbeat dad days”
Haha Heather, stop, my sides are hurting from the laughter!!
“Here’s a tip. Keep penises out of your vagina”
You go girl.
Posted by: Elizabeth at December 12, 2007 1:39 PM
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Oh, the irony…
Bev, 1:06PM,
An excellent post and points made.
The same feminists who are silent about sex selection abortions selectively destroying females both in the US and abroad. An example of the monster you created taking on a life of its own.
The same feminists who were silent when the women accusing Bill Clinton of everything from exposing himself to rape were attacked as liars, bimboes, and psychotics.
The same feminists that were silent when the power and wealth of the Kennedy family was brought against a woman accusing a Kennedy nephew of rape. Did anyone think that woman had a prayer? At the time of this incident Uncle Ted, who was tomcatting with his nephew the night of the alledged rape, was sitting on a panel passing judgment on Clarence Thomas, who the feminists went after like a pack of hyenas.
The same feminists who will argue that the women who can serve in the military, police forces,(where women do indeed serve bravely and honorably) and even fly space shuttles, are helpless simpering wimps when it comes to sexual harassment or once they enter a crisis pregnancy center.
What’s so ironic Laura?
Heather 11:41am
Perhaps its Androgynous Annie.
Laura 11:53am
I hear you. I think its great fun to watch those PC male Democrat candidates “gang up” on poor PC Hillary.
“I hear you. I think its great fun to watch those PC male Democrat candidates “gang up” on poor PC Hillary.”
@Mary: I actually like that they’re doing that. Hillary sucks times eleventybillion. :)
A Fox News commentator noted this morning that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad allows dissent on his blog, to which another responded he’s more mature than American Democrat and liberal bloggers, who screen every comment and automatically delete differences of opinion.
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Of course posts are NEVER censored on Jill’s blog! @@
Sally, try being pro life and getting a comment posted on an all PC blog…Ain’t happinin.
Mary, LOL!
Sally said: “Of course posts are NEVER censored on Jill’s blog!”
Personally I find Jill to be EXTREMELY lenient in what is allowed on here.
heather, I’ve done it. I even wrote a pro-life post that got on the Recommended Diaries list at DailyKos.
Jen R, really? I guess it depends on where you go. Try Pandagon. I can’t get a comment on. Hi there, John!
::sigh:: Oh, Pandagon. I haven’t been there in a long time. I miss Jesse.
Elizabeth, I know your situation. Been there. It’s frustrating. However, God will make a way where there may not seem to be one. It will all work out for good. You will always have your daughter! She’s beautiful! I’m glad that you didn’t choose abortion.
See the girl with the sign that says: “We won’t go back”….it’s a picture of a hanger with a line crossed through it. I wonder if she could tell us how many documented coat hanger deaths there were from illegal abortion.
Thank you Heather..it’s the holidays..and I always seem to have a tough time dealing since it’s another holiday my daughter spends without her “father.” I don’t know why I get to feeling like that..but I have to strongly resist the urge to email him and tell him what an a**wipe he is.
Elizabeth, LOL! Gee, I’ve never called anyone that name before…*winks and smiles sheepishly*
Haha, Heather, do NOT encourage me….cause then I will do it! ahhh!
Elizabeth,
Just hang in there, you tough cookie, you! Try to focus on what the holidays are really about. Then, look at your beautiful child, and remember: without the “sperm donor” or “bioligical father”, she would not be here! God had you go through that situation with him for a reason…God then blessed you with your beautiful daughter! Your relationship with him was not in vain…God will use that to your benefit also…just trust & watch!
Life is sometimes like a chapter book…that time may have been just one chapter, but turn the page & you’re on to a NEW chapter! There are many, many more to go!
Thank you very much Ab Laura and Heather, I do try to hold on to those thoughts as much as possible! Some times are tougher than others but I am trying to hold on to those good thoughts!
On a side note, I wonder why the Feminist Majority group has such crappily made signs. Not many artistic ladies within that group I can see.
Real men take care of the babies that they help to make.
I have to agree on that one. Did you know that 85% of men(/boys) whose girlfriends get unexpectedly pregnant just cut and run? I think that’s horrible. I mean, at the very least, if she decides she wants an abortion he should take her to the clinic and be there for her and all that.
Really, though. You can’t help falling for a guy who offers to be there for you no matter what.
35 days… (it’s after midnight where I am)
Sally, try being pro life and getting a comment posted on an all PC blog…Ain’t happinin.
Posted by: heather at December 12, 2007 8:31 PM
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I don’t think that your problem is being PL. I think that it lays with you having nothing of import/intelligence to say. Probably why you are a PL wishing to make the team and earn a uniform. Whoosh!
Sally, thank you. I think I do have a uniform somewhere:]
Elizabeth, here’s what I do when I feel blue. I try to be grateful for the things that I have been blessed with. I may say “My home is small.” However, there are homeless people in the world. I am blessed today with food, a car, a computer, etc. My health is great. My daughter is healthy. It’s very easy for me to fall into the same line of thinking. That too is the enemy at work on us. You are going to be a fabulous RN! Your daughter is so lucky to have a strong mother like you. Maybe someone new will come into your life. Maybe a doctor?? Sending good wishes your way.
I think the person holding the “Real Men” sign is actually a woman, and the two have switched signs for a bit of a laugh…
The lady with the sign is so proud, she hides behind it.
When you hold a sign do you keep it in a fixed position for the whole time? If so your arms must get really tired. Perhaps you would like to fix her up a sandwich board so she can live up to your sign holding standards….
Nah, I think she should just become a cheerleader.
Truth is, I’ve seen a lot of PCers who hide behind their signs.
Maybe they realize that their PLers will take their picture without their permission and post it all over the internet and then question their character when they don’t know anything about them, other than they feel differently on one issue.
So? They should be proud of their choice.
Some people don’t want to be slandered by random people over the internet, it is their choice.
Slandered in what way?
Heather and Elizabeth,
Heather, excellent advise. Elizabeth, please take Heather’s, and everyone else’s excellent advise about when you feel down. Look around, you never have to look too far, and you will quickly realize your blessings.
As a very dear friend of mine, who has had more than her share of health issues, says, “life is what happens when you’ve made other plans”.
How true this is. I’ll tell you another truism. Self pity is the most destructive force on this planet. The only thing worse is having to listen to it! That’s a general comment and not directed at you specifically.
I gave my elderly mother a stern talking to about just that. She was literally destroying herself physically and mentally because of it, forever dwelling on the onset of dementia in her husband and how it has changed him so drastically from the devoted husband he once was. I told her I was tired of the self pity, that its destroying her, I refuse to listen to another word, and when I call I expect to hear only the positive aspects of her life. So far so good.
So Elizabeth, I will tell you that you are intelligent, beautiful, hard working, have full use of your mind and body, and you have a daughter that so many women would walk through the fires of hell to have, if only they could have a child. She, like her mother is also beautiful, intelligent, and has full use of her mind and body.
Elizabeth my friend, you are blessed beyond words!
Being called callous murderers, irresponsible, baby haters, anti Christians. Not to mention having their appearance critiqued in cruel ways. Remember the discussion where the woman with the rosary beads *must* have been praying *for* abortion because she was a chubby uggo and couldn’t be a PLer because all PLer are attractive people.
Well, don’t go out in public with signs then. There’s a good way to stay out of the lime light. Besides, pro lifers are also called plenty of nasty names. However, I’m still goin out in public.
Infantile comments and cruel remarks are a part of life. Live with it. You don’t have to go out in public with signs to be subjected to them. If you demonstrate publicly for any cause, expect your picture to show up somewhere and expect that there will be people who don’t agree with or like what you’re doing.
Mary, right! Ricky Lake comes to mind. *snicker*
You get all bent out of shape because of the position of someone’s sign. Why? Why does it matter to you to see the face of the person who you will hate no matter whether you see their face or not? You can’t concede to a bit of shifting on the part of a person who has been holding a sign for a long while? What do you expect a PCer to come up to a PLer taking pictures solely for the purpose of passing judgement on them and say “Please take my picture, I want to become some sick fascination for someone”? If I showed up at a PL rally with a t-shirt championing choice and started snapping pictures of you, your kids, and the rest of your group chances are you’d be weirded out by it and want to hide behind your sign too.
I waved to the camera at the March For Life! I’m proud of what I stand for! Shouldn’t PC men and women also be equally proud?
I would think thats why they are standing in public holding signs. They want their message to come across more than they want to be cheesing for some camera. ESPN College GameDay came to my campus for a broadcast during this football season and tons of people had signs. When the cameras would come by they would hold them in front of their faces because they were more interested in letting the nation read something clever they had written on their sign than just yelling for the camera.
*sigh* I’m not an attention hog. I also want my message to get across. Not all PCers are ashamed. Gloria Steinem has been at it ever since her own abortion.
“Sally, thank you. I think I do have a uniform somewhere:]”
@Heather: Yay! You took my advice (or at least, I think you are?)!
:D
Rae, yes I did.
Mary, beautiful post!! Thanks for a great reminder to us all.
On a side note, I wonder why the Feminist Majority group has such crappily made signs. Not many artistic ladies within that group I can see.
Posted by: Elizabeth at December 12, 2007 10:35 PM —– Good point.
I just had a sad thought. Some of those girls look really young. I’ll bet their mothers have something to do with this.
why is that sad? Don’t the Pro Lifers bring their daughters to their events?
Hal,
It’s sad because the ProLifers that bring their daughters to their events go to them saying “babies are awesome!”
ProChoicers whose daughters are at these events say, “no…rip them out of the womb!”
It’s kindof like the difference of having your daughter watch a commercial on how bad it is to do meth, and discuss the effects of it with her,
and sitting down with your daughter & have her watch you do meth and say, it’s really not that bad!
I get it that one is legal and one is illegal, but the devastating effects are one in the same.
Truly sad…no 2 ways about it!
Sally,
I don’t think that your problem is being PL. I think that it lays with you having nothing of import/intelligence to say. Probably why you are a PL wishing to make the team and earn a uniform. Whoosh!
Posted by: Sally at December 13, 2007 3:58 AM
Wow what an intelligent and important thing to say, Sally. We need to be sure everyone gets to see the above comment. So insightful and civil. Not.
AB Laura, Some people raise their children to be pro-choice. Some of us believe it is our duty to try to teach our children right and wrong. In our view, outlawing abortion would be a serious moral wrong. So, I think it’s just as sad and disturbing that some pro-lifers try to teach their children that abortion should be outlawed (or that there is some kind of “god” in the sky that rules the universe).
Interestingly, the GAP folks I’ve talked with say they love it when the other side shows up like this; it draws much more attention to their display, and their pictures are worth thousands of words in this debate…either side’s words.
Hal, it’s about choice you know [God, that is] How is outlawing abortion a moral wrong? Give it up.
Heather 9:23am
Thank you for your kind words.
How is outlawing abortion a moral wrong??? You don’t even try to see any view but your own. It’s wrong because a woman and her doctor should make those kind of personal decisions without government interference.
How is outlawing abortion a moral wrong??? You don’t even try to see any view but your own. It’s wrong because a woman and her doctor should make those kind of personal decisions without government interference.
Posted by: Hal —– Nope. I don’t see it your way. My mom and dad wouldn’t ever want me to support baby killing. My dad was a real man!!
How is it morally wrong though? Did I miss something? Nope. Pulling a child’s arms and legs off, and crushing their heads in the womb is a moral wrong.
Heather, I’m sorry, I just don’t understand anything you’re saying. How can abortion be morally wrong?
Okay, abortion is a moral wrong. That’s what I meant. I thought you were disputing that point.
Back to Mary’s list of spurious omissions of the “feminists”, where was the feminist majority when Terri Schiavo was being murdered by a man who wanted her out of the way so he could enjoy spending her money on his own pleasures? The ultimate male chauvinist pig using his advantages to destroy her, and enjoining as many other MEN (Felos, Jeb Bush, et al) to join him.
I was in Pinellas Park during the last week of Terri’s life protesting her murder. Most of the other protesters there were pro-life Christians. Also protesting Terri’s murder were one or two Muslims, a few Jews, about a dozen or so handicapped members of “NOT DEAD YET”, and one or two feminists. The majority of feminists present were on the other side, crying out like a pack of hyenas for Terri’s blood.
This sort of thing seems really odd until you realize that the radical feminist movement (NOW, NARRAL, FM, ad nauseam) is not about bettering women’s well-being in general; it is all about destroying the traditional, biblical family — one man married to one woman, being free to have and raise as many children as they can. This institution is anathema to the socialists/Marxists/population police who want it destroyed because it fosters two things they despise: more people, and loyalties/allegiances that tend, naturally, to trump those to the socialist, one-world tyrannical state that they want to impose on the world, just like Hitler was trying to do when he was so rudely interrupted by those darn Allies…
Children should be free to live without the interference of “doctors” authorized by the government to kill them if they are considered handicapped, unplanned, or just inconvenient. So should everyone else, with the obvious exception of legitimately convicted serial killers…
I’ve never met a proabort yet who wouldn’t call for the cops to intervene if they so much as suspected a slight threat to their own comfort; yet they don’t see anything wrong with denying that protection to people who need it much more than they do.
Most of the other protesters there were pro-life Christians. Also protesting Terri’s murder were one or two Muslims, a few Jews, about a dozen or so handicapped members of “NOT DEAD YET”, and one or two feminists.
How do you know that none of the Christian, Muslims, Jews, or NDY members were feminists?
“Okay, abortion is a moral wrong. That’s what I meant. I thought you were disputing that point.”
I certainly dispute that point. I believe outlawing abortion is a moral wrong.
I can’t imagine anyone taking those girls in the picture seriously, with their stupid pink pom poms and grunge outfits. If they wanted to make a statement and were serious about what they believe, (and wanted people to take them seriously), they failed abyssmally. I guess this is what happens to has-been cheerleaders.
Mike, 11:22PM
They can also dispense with some of those crass signs or at least get their anatomy right. Unless of course that guy really was “Androgynous Annie” of Saturday Night Live fame.
Mary, lol!!
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