Stanek weekend question II: Would you entrust the care of your baby to an abortion advocate?
Reader Marie posed this interesting question in an email to me this week.
I’ve written before of wondering whether I could have shook the hand of late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart had he extended it when we were standing in line next to one another waiting to give a statement to the press after the Supreme Court’s partial-birth abortion hearings.
It’s easy to say I wouldn’t want someone like Carhart watching my baby, even if he were willing, which would be creepy.
But what about someone not so blatantly involved in abortion? What about a friend, or a relative? If they support the murder of preborn babies – your preborn baby – do you want them caring for your postborn baby?
This is not to say they might kill your baby. But do you think they are psychologically capable of providing good care? Do you want people watching your baby who would have supported his or her death not so many months prior?
[Graphic via Propaganda for Life]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I could not, from the depth of my soul, leave a defenseless baby in the hands of a pro-abortion person or agency!
Just saying…………..
Children all over the US are put into the hands of abortion advocates – they’re called teachers.
John,
What’s the matter?
Are you a hater?
Do you oppose a woman’s right to “choose?” (To have her baby butchered)
(grin).
My wife and I don’t use baby sitters. From the beginning we were concerned for the safety of our new born babies, or infants.
Then we were concerned for the safety of our toddlers, and so on.
We love engaging in activities and trips as a family. Our children have a great time together.
We were concerned that baby sitters would NOT properly care for our child, or children, (we now have parented four children, girl, boy, girl, boy). We were concerned for our childrens’ safety.
While the innocent, defenseless child is alone with the baby sitter they can be abused, neglected, or whatever. The baby sitter, no matter what their age, whether the person is, himself or herself, a grandparent or parent, or whether they are a single person, or a high school, or younger aged person, we do not see if they ignore our child, beat our child, berate our child, invite their friend of friends over, sit and talk on the telephone all night, or whatever.
We did not wish to come home and find our child beaten, terrified, missing, injured, or dead at the hands of the baby sitter or his or her invited friends.
Abortion lovers might not all engage in abusing children, but the fact that they are so misled, so misguided, and so cruel that they do not feel repulsed by abortion, but embrace the butchering of innocent babies via elective, induced abortion, speaks volumes to their lack of character, deviancy, lack of morals, and bad judgement.
I guess the answer is that it all depends on who the proabortion advocate is. If it is a friend or relative then, yes, I would have them as a babysitter (and have).
I think we need to avoid the trap of demonization and assess each individual on a case-by-case basis. A great many people who advocate abortion as a right would never actually have one themselves, but have a flaw in their logic, anthropology, science, or theology. I know a great many who fall into this category who are otherwise kind, loving and decent human beings who would rather die than ever visit harm on a post-born baby or a toddler.
I wouldn’t have anyone who worked at an abortion clinic, or who had similar level of activity. Even if they were otherwise decent people, those who engage in formal cooperation with murder should never be entrusted with the care of anyone who is frail or defenseless, at any stage of the life spectrum.
Jill,
I would take the hand of Carhart, or any other abortionist. We never know what effect, either remotely or immediate, our act of Christian charity might have on their conversion. I think of Jesus calling to Zacchaeus.Just the fact that Jesus said he wanted to dine with him caused a conversion experience on the spot.
nope, it’s hard enough to leave them with family members let alone an abortion advocate and we also plan to home-school.
Ger, I know your answer is probably right, but I couldn’t get past knowing what his hands had done. I was honestly repulsed beyond my ability to describe. Thankfully, I didn’t have to decide.
Combining this question with “Stanek weekend question I: Is Barack Obama evil?” makes me wonder what BO’s reaction was when his Mrs. told him of pregnancies #1 and #2. Also makes me wonder what his daughters think of him. Do pray for his daughters … and that God gives us leaders that lead us to Him and Heaven.
Evil??? That or as Jesus said while on the cross, “Father forgive them. They know not what they do.”
Pro-choice people can be loving caregivers of children. Heck, I was pro-choice when I had my babies.
I know lots of good pro-abortion moms, like my neighbor who is married to an Episcopal priest.
I would also have to say that my experience is very different than William’s: we don’t have a babysitter often, but when we do, I enjoy it to the upmost! I need some time alone, or time alone with my husband. If I make my kids the center of my universe 24/7, then they begin to believe they are.
William, you wouldn’t even let your own parents watch your children? Not a single movie or quiet candlelit dinner for some 15-20 years? D you really think your parents or siblings would neglect or abuse your children? That strikes me as a very sad way to live and to view your loved ones!
My parents only left us alone with close family or with my mother’s longtime best friend, until we were at an age where we could communicate easily. That way they could talk to us about the sitter, the things we’d done in their absence, etc. I always felt that it was wonderful to have so many grown-ups who loved me, who I could trust to care for and about me. I spent one Easter with my grandparents – my father was in the hospital in a faraway city, have gotten sick while away on business, and my mother flew out to care for him – and I remember it so fondly, so well. I am eternally grateful to have spent those days with my grandmother, who I got to know better and better as I grew. Having grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins who all were there to keep me healthy and safe made me fel so secure and centered and loved, as a child. It was really wonderful!
one important point……. this gives me a chance to bring up a good point! i have a lot of friends who have had abortions and they have never gotten into the pro choice group. they are all kind of like ” i had an abortion and i regret it.” just because a woman has had an abortions DOES NOT mean they will support it for the rest of their lives. its just something they want to forget about. many of them were moms or went on to become great moms. my last son is just the apple of my eye and so many of my friends ( yes they have had abortions) have asked ” oh can i take him for the night”? sure and i pack up a bag. im greatful for the break and they treat him like gold. people make mistakes and we have to forgive. now if i were to come across a rabid pro abort still stuck in that rabid pro death mode……then id say no until they got it together.
I would leave my child with a pro-abortion friend. With some of the pro-choice commenters on this site? No way.
Anyone who worked in a clinic? No. Because PTSD is real and having read some of the books of those who left the abortion industry and the intrusive thoughts about hurting children that some had… no way.
My hands nailed Christ to the cross. Every sin I’ve committed did so. I would take Carhart’s hand. It reminds me of that abortion clinic that was in an old church. The pro-lifers would shovel the walkway for the abortionist every time it snowed. He would park behind the abortion clinic and walk a side path to the side door. The pro-lifers shoveled it and always told him “Good morning doctor.” He didn’t become pro-life but he eventually left killing.
Gerard nadal: “I guess the answer is that it all depends on who the proabortion advocate is. If it is a friend or relative then, yes, I would have them as a babysitter (and have).
I think we need to avoid the trap of demonization and assess each individual on a case-by-case basis.”
Yes indeed. For that matter, there are plenty of pro-lifers whose grouchiness or hatefulness or all-around apparent bitter dispositions would make me very leery of having them anywhere near my kids.
would i shake carharts hand? thats a tough one. the man is crazy. all abortionists are. they are the biggest woman haters around. meet martin ruddock..(ohio abortionist) you can tell hes miserable killing babies every day. how could you not be? i pity these men but who on earth would give them a job? lets keep praying for them. many abortionists have left the industry and id hug them but those who continue to kill…….i want nothing to do with them.
most abortionists admit they are indeed the lowest of the low. they must be prayed out because nobody is going to hire them. dont get me wrong… they have a choice to stop killing. sometimes the devil puts fear into their hearts and minds. sure they are getting rich but id rather be poor than to sell my soul to the devil. George Tiller is burning in hell. lets work on our living baby killers and hope that they will repent and become.the next Bernard Nathansons of the world!
Heather, if anything, based on your posts I think we should be praying for you. : (
oh arch please.do pray for me but what did you mean by that Fool?
say arch…are you a liberal baby killing pro abort? explain what ive said that upset u so ding dong.
I would not offer to shake his hand. If he offered I’d take his hand and break it.
You know, I managed to raise two children to adulthood without killing or aborting them, which actually is quite a bit better than a number of pro-life “post-abortive moms” here have done, if in fact you truly believe that abortion is murder. Maybe the question should instead be “would you entrust the care of your child to someone who has murdered her baby, but claims to have repented for it?” instead?
ts lol true that
yeah joan thats what im saying. you have to repent of child murder.
joan name a post abortive pro life mom who didnt raise her kids right…just cuz you kept your little ” chosen ones ” and killed one are you better? lmao!
“I think of Jesus calling to Zacchaeus. Just the fact that Jesus said he wanted to dine with him caused a conversion experience on the spot.”
Matt 18:17 [Jesus speaking] ”If he [fellow Jew or member of the body of Christ] pays no attention to them [refusing to listen and obey], tell it to the ekklesia; and if he refuses to listen even to the ekklesia, let him be to you as a pagan and a tax collector. [Meaning shun them, stand aloof from them, do not fellowhip with] AMP
[I wonder if Matthew, Levi and Zacchaeus, present and former tax collectors, took umbrage when they heard that.]
Gerrard,
Jesus ‘dined’ with a lot of people who were not ’born again’/’converted’.
John 5:19-20 So Jesus answered them by saying, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, the Son is able to do nothing of Himself (of His own accord); but He is able to do only what He sees the Father doing, for whatever the Father does is what the Son does in the same way [in His turn].
The Father dearly loves the Son and discloses to (shows) Him everything that He Himself does. And He will disclose to Him (let Him see) greater things yet than these, so that you may marvel and be full of wonder and astonishment. AMP
At the risk of being heretical I will proffer that all whom GOD has wooed by HIS love thru JESUS and have been ‘born again’/’converted’ by HOLY SPIRIT are called to be ‘sons’ of GOD.
John 1:12-13 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name — [Isa 56:5.] 13 Who owe their birth neither to bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!] AMP
Matt 5:9 Blessed (enjoying enviable happiness, spiritually prosperous — with life-joy and satisfaction in God’s favor and salvation, regardless of their outward conditions) are the makers and maintainers of peace, for they shall be called the sons of God! AMP
Gal 3:26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. AMP
Rom 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. AMP
If you are led by Holy Spirit to shake the hand of an abortionist, then do so.
If you are NOT led by Holy Spirit to shake the hand of an abortionist, then do not do so.
In either case be sure to thoroughly wash your hands.
Acts 10:14-15 But Peter said, No, by no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common and unhallowed or [ceremonially] unclean.
And the voice came to him again a second time, What God has cleansed and pronounced clean, do not you defile and profane by regarding and calling common and unhallowed or unclean. AMP
Remember Craig Robbins, the director of Paul’s Pantry .
Did he make the correct choice when he refused to receive a donation from the ‘dead babies r us’ mob?
Acts 15:28-29 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to lay upon you any greater burden than these indispensable requirements:
That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from [tasting] blood and from [eating the meat of animals] that have been strangled and from sexual impurity. If you keep yourselves from these things, you will do well. Farewell [be strong]! AMP
Would you entrust the care of your baby to an abortion advocate?”
No.
If you do entrust your baby to the care of an abortion advocate, do not leave anything to chance, take nothing for granted.
Order the custodian not to give your child a bath.
These unhinged folks have a demonstrated dysfunction which prevents them from distingquishing between the baby and the bathwater.
And no freaking way I would subject my children to the arms of a pro-abort.
No.
Pro-aborts are too good at twisting their brains into believing baby’s aren’t people “persons” or worthy of rights for any number of arbitrary reasons. If my baby offended them in some way they could use that twisted logic to ignore my child’s cries and claim that was ok cause she “wouldn’t remember it” or that her physical need for touch and spiritual need for love are just “nerve bundles reacting by instinct” or some other dehumanizing blob of cells nonsense. They may be capable of “maintaining” my child, but they are not in my opinion capable of “caring for” my child.
I could not leave my children to that worldview and expect them to be respected and loved anymore than I would expect a tribe that regularly eats dog to dog-sit and treat my pet as a companion rather than livestock/food.
No.
I would not entrust my baby, toddler, teen, friend or parent to the care of an abortion advocate.
ive met rabid pro aborts who think their farts sell like perfume and they dote and dote on their “chosen ones.” they must repent of child murder. if you can love a child you have birthes so much then you need to come to terms with.the child or children you have killed. i know its an awful thing to face but do it before its too late.
Actually, in the case of my (pro-abortion) aunt that I’ve spoken of before:
Yes. Oddly enough, she has some sort of “disconnect”. She LOVES the BORN babies in our family. She spoils them rotten. She gets angry if you even raise your voice to them!
Yet, when they were still in the womb, she tried to talk almost every mother (except me!) into aborting them!
This included her own daughter, my sister, AND my sister’s daughter.
My aunt actually convinced my sister to persuade my niece to abort her 3rd child..which she did.
Almost three years later, my niece has a SEVERE alcohol addiction, which she will be the first to tell you is because of the GUILT she feels over aborting her baby.
yep Pamel…post abortive women go one of 2 ways. they either treat their children and other children like gold OR they become child abusers. thats fact!
Well, heather, my aunt is not post-abortive. She just thinks OTHER people should have one.
She is PRO abortion, not POST-abortion.
Ken, you have me laughing my butt off !!
ok Pamela i see.
hi jasper my buddy. i hope you n your family are well!
you see Pamela…most of the women i know who support choice are usually post abortive women. just sayin.
This is a hard question for me. I would not *knowingly* take prenatal care from an abortion supporting doctor. Couldn’t do it, wouldn’t trust them to protect my baby if there was an issue with the prenancy…but, most of the time, I don’t ask explicitly if my caregiver is pro-abortion or not.
As for my born children…I disagree with some of the people here. There are certain things that mean you can not be a ‘good’ person. If you actually believe it is ok to murder someone (and that goes the same for a babe as for the sick, mentally disabled, or almost-dead elderly) then you are NOT a ‘good’ person. I don’t care if you spend 40 hours a week donating your time to the poor and needy. There are some beliefs that simply disown you from ‘good’ness. If you think rape is ever acceptable, you are not good. If you thin murder is every acceptable, you are not good. And, frankly, you can’t be trusted either. To hold such a belief is to be so incredibly brain sick that you can not be trusted to do things a normal person would, like pull a small child from a burning building if it endangers your life, after all, that 2 year old is quite a bit less developed than you.
But, the problem is sometimes those truly brain-sick individuals are people who should be around your children for other reasons, like grandparents or other relatives. So sometimes I grit mt teeth, realize the likeihood that their beliefs on the matter will be called into question is almost nil (how likely is that housefire during an afternoons at grandmas?) and trust God to take care of my kids even while they are with people who are so messed up in the head they think murder is ok.
I want to clarify that when I’m speaking of ‘good’, I don’t mean actual good. No one is good but God. We are *all* sinners, we are *all* fallen, we are *all* evil (just some of us are forgiven). What I’m talking about is that societal notion of ‘good enough’.
The mother who gets up in court and insists her repeat-rapists of a son is ‘really a good boy’ is, in fact, wrong. Sometimes you can not do or believe and still be ‘good’. Although it is always possible to be redeemed from such a position.
heather: “fool”, “ding dong”? Why the name calling?
I was thinking in “Won by Love” by Norma McCorvey that even while she was rabidly pro-abortion and working at the clinic, smoking, cursing and angry as ever, the pro-lifers allowed their children to be with her. Especially that one little girl (I forget her name) Norma loved especially. She asked to take her, I think out to eat or to a park or something like that. Norma said the fact that this mother would trust Norma with her child sparked something deep within her that started her on her path to becoming pro-life.
I know one baby who fusses when the pro-abort comes near her. I think she remembers her voice. Of course now that she’s born, the pro-abort wants her affection. So, I think time with children can be healing, but maybe not time alone depending on the person. Anyone can ignore a baby, even a well-intentioned sibling or friend who gets distracted. You have to be confident of their sense of responsibility, regardless of their position on abortion.
Sydney,
The little girl’s name is Emily, though she’s not so little anymore. But she had a special love for Miss Norma, that touched her deeply; possibly the daughter she had sought to abort…but never did. Norma was not pregnant by rape, as Weddington told her to say she had been in order to garner sympathy, and she did not get an abortion, since Roe v. Wade took 2 years to adjudicate, and humans simply don’t stay pregnant that long.
Norma placed her daughter for adoption; and while she was inclined to feel betrayed by the fact that Weddington could have helped her get an abortion out of the country, as Weddington herself had done before, but did not, after Norma changed her position on abortion, she certainly had no regrets about not aborting her baby.
Emily was about 5 at the time; and one day she overheard Norma tell a caller “I’ll see you in hell”, she told Norma that she didn’t have to go to hell because Jesus had died for her sins and that if she would trust in Him, and ask Him to forgive her for her sins, she would not go to hell. She invited Norma to go to church with her and her family…and the rest is history.
The change in Norma was profound, though she didn’t just up and quit working at the Dallas chop shop. But she did start being honest about abortion with women who called there seeking abortions; I think this resulted in her getting fired.
That said, I would have serious problems entrusting the care of anyone vulnerable, be they very young, or very old, or in between, to someone who actively defended the killing of any vulnerable people group, or behaved contemptuously or dismissively, or otherwise abusively, towards anyone they viewed as weaker than themselves. Several years ago I attended a talk given by John Walsh in which he mentioned the fact that the girl who was supposed to be watching Adam when he was abducted was a post-abortive teenager, and that this had impaired her ability to function responsibly. Post abortive women – and men, for that matter – are deeply wounded; and hurting people can be very hurtful to others, taking out their own pain on people who can’t fight back and hurt them more, whether passively or more aggressively. And sometimes, which I suspect was probably the case with the Walsh’s sitter, inner pain, turmoil, emotional trauma/overload can simply, at best, overwhelm a person suffering so that (s)he is simply not mentally or emotionally available to others for being too self-absorbed.
I think it can go the other way sometimes, in that someone who has been victimized, wounded, can channel that pain into active empathy for others who are vulnerable; but vulnerable loved ones are not guinea pigs, and their needs must come first.
JTM, yes, you are right! I forgot that her name is Emily.
I thought Adam Walsh was kidnapped at Sears with his mother? His mom left him at an Atari display with other kids and walked a few aisles over to the lamps. The boys started bickering and a security guard kicked them all out of the store which is where Adam was abducted. I read John Walsh’s book ( I love John Walsh). I don’t recall the post-abortive angle of the story? Perhaps you could elaborate?
I guess it depends what pro-abortion person I was considering to watch my children. Some people are pro-abortion simply through ignorance. Then there are others (some who comment here) who are seriously cold-hearted and seem to almost bear a hatred for children. Someone like that would have no access to my babies!
This is an interesting question Jill!
Sydney,
I have not read John Walsh’s book, and the lecture I attended was some years ago; but I distinctly remember his mentioning a teenaged girl who was supposed to be watching Adam when he was kidnapped being post-abortive, and that this had impaired her ability to function responsibly in that situation. He just said that he thought the abortion had “messed her up.” This talk was on a college campus, and I think he knew he was pushing a hot button to bring up the a-word, and seemed anxious to get off that topic. The girl may have been a friend of the family who was out with them, or that they knew and encountered at the store and asked to watch Adam while Mrs W. did something else, but I had the impression she was more in a sitter role. At any rate, she had been entrusted at least for a brief time, with Adam’s wellbeing.
And you are right, this is an interesting question. I also agree with you (not that I don’t generally!) that no way should the care of a child be entrusted to the sort of rabid proaborts who troll here. No conscience, no empathy, and the constant grasping at straws to avoid reality and justify murder; no doubt legion unresolved personal issues festering…much too toxic and volatile a mix, at best, to inflict on a defenseless child.
Hi Heather, nice to hear from you again. Hope the husband and kids are doing well. Now did you have another baby recently? I remember you had a baby girl around 3 years ago or so..
jasper yes i had a boy in april of 2010;)
Lrning……..mind your own business;)
also one thing……..i would not leave my kids with any of the nutty mean pro aborts here.
and btw lrning…..why is arch praying for me? is it because i told it like it was? he didnt really mean what he said. for what? abortionists are low lifes. their livves are a mess. i mean i will always take prayer but in this case for what? im NOT here to make friends. i state facts and thats it. and i also leave my kids with women who have had abortions. was arch praying because i left them with baby killers? okay perhaps that was why.
Pro-choice (gag, head shake) : Si.
Abortion advocate (repulsed, backs away) : No.
sorry lrning…i went back just now a read my posts again. i make no apologies. what post do you take issue with? tell me. and thats total bull that arch is praying for me cuz im telling yoy he or she is a pro abort. unless they take issue with the fact that ive left my children with post abortive women. i know when someone isnt being sincere and im sure arch wasnt.. so let us carry on!!!!!
Lrning…you were pro choice.when you had your kids? did you ever think they didnt deserve to live? i dont quite get that but just so we understand each other im blunt and you arent always to like the things i say. on that note butt out of my posts to othersb and worry about your OWN! id care who dislikes me i fight for the unborn…..period!
Heather,
You’re posting comments publicly. I can’t imagine why you expect people to “butt out”. These aren’t private conversations. I take issue with the name calling. The rules call for us to be “civil and considerate”. I don’t think name-calling is civil or considerate and it seems inflammatory to me. But I’m not a mod here, so you’re free to ignore my opinion if you wish.
I have no idea why arch is praying for you.
Yes, I was pro-choice when I had my children. I would never have had an abortion myself. I refused all prenatal testing designed to identify “defects” in utero because they were pointless since I would never abort. But at the time, I didn’t believe the government should legislate “what women could do with their bodies”. I wasn’t considering the body of the baby at all. I didn’t become pro-life until I saw pictures of aborted babies and truly realized what abortion was and that it wasn’t really about a woman’s body.
Snarling and spewing insults doesn’t seem like an effective way to “fight for the unborn” to me, but to each his own I guess.
yep lrning….you said it best. to each his own. and if id think a prayer is sincere then thats MY OPINION!
you have no IDEA why arch is praying for me? cuz he isnt. ask mods to delete any comments you dont like.
I agree with Dr. Gerard. If it was a family member or close friend, I would leave my baby or child with them – and even hope and pray that by spending time with my postborn child, their hearts would be softened toward the preborn children’s lives they – intentionally or unintentionally – allow to die.
I think the temptation is to demonize those who support abortion. Think about what and why you support other things. Are you reasons always rational and well-thought out? No. And besides, especially in the case of abortion-supporters, we should seek to love and woo them to our side, especially when it is in the context of our personal lives. If I was in a debate or had the opportunity to shake the hand of a famous abortionist, I would refuse on principal. But in the context of reaching out to someone who supports abortion? No, I would want to try to support them and convince them of the truth as best I could.
We should always bear in mind where we would be without Christ or His grace. I would indeed be a horribly confused wretch. I hope to offer to others the same undeserved grace that I have freely received.
I am probably the most paranoid parent in the world… the only person who watches my kids besides me is Ellie and her parents. But if I were inclined to get a babysitter, I don’t think that their abortion views would make me decide whether that person was fit to watch my children or not.
And really, you are going to find people that shouldn’t be around children on both sides of the divide. I think making your decision of babysitters on the abortion issue is a bit short-sighted. You might end up with someone like my parents babysitting, because, hey, they are “pro-life”!
oooooh sydney i love john walsh too!
If you simply mean, would I leave my child with a pro choice individual, then yes, I would, esp. since I’m close to several people in my family and church community who are pro choice. would I leave my baby with Dr. Carhart if he were willing? Well, not normally, but I don’t know him, so any situation that called me to think about leaving a child with him would constitute an emergency in which we were in close proximity to one another (unlikely) and I had to leave my baby there. What’s weird is that individuals like Cahart who perform late term abortions have kids. Dr. Tiller was a grandfather who took his grandkids to Disney World a short time before he was murdered. It’s bizarre that abortionists can be detached enough to look at a 30 week old baby in the womb and kill it and look at a 30 week old baby outside the womb and be inclined to nurture it.
I’d have to know the person very well. Some pro-choice people are very kind and well meaning. They’re just very deceived by pro-choice lying propaganda about how the only compassionate stance is pro-choice and we pro-lifers are cruel, horrible people. Naturally, a person so deceived will say they are pro-choice, even if the idea of getting an abortion themselves makes them uncomfortable. They also have been deceived into thinking that fetuses are not babies, children, or humans. These could be kind to children who are born.
But if someone works in an abortion clinic, does late term abortions, puts the parts back together like a jigsaw puzzle, to make sure nothing is still left inside the mother which could cause infection when it rots, and they don’t have a problem with their job; forget it. The babies they tear apart without qualms or emotional distress look a little too similar to my born baby. I’d be especially uneasy about it if the person was one of those hard core pro-aborts who don’t really believe in choice, because they refuse to honor the woman’s right to choose life and not have an abortion. If she (or he) is the type to look at a pregnant woman, appraise her situation, and pressure her to abort if her situation is one in which the person pressuring would abort, I’d worry whether that person would be appraising MY situation and wondering if I should have had the baby. If she (or he) might think I should have had an abortion, maybe she (or he) would put a pillow over my baby’s face and say it was crib death. After all, my born baby wouldn’t look that different from the late term babies he/she aborts every day, and preventing babies from living is this person’s idea of how to prevent social problems, and hardship for the mother, baby, and their family. Such a person I would not want near my child, because they don’t really believe in the choice to have life.
Let me state the obvious. Pro choice individuals are perfectly capable of taking care of your child. They won’t kill it, really. I know our nation is getting polarized, but honestly, do you really think roughly 50% of us are incapable of raising children?
do you really think roughly 50% of us are incapable of raising children?
Of course not! You’re perfectly capable of raising children and not killing them-as long as you’ve decided that you like them and they’re “wanted”.
Problem is, how do we know you’re going to want to take care of our children? You might not like them, then they’re screwed.
That’s exactly right xalisae.
Jack wrote:
And really, you are going to find people that shouldn’t be around children on both sides of the divide. I think making your decision of babysitters on the abortion issue is a bit short-sighted. You might end up with someone like my parents babysitting, because, hey, they are “pro-life”!
Well… to be fair: I don’t think anyone is saying that being pro-life is SUFFICIENT for qualification as a baby-sitter (i.e. no other qualifications needed); they’re saying that it’s a NECESSARY qualification (among others), I think.
x…….you just said it all. there have been a few cases of people who trusted their kids with a sitter and their kid died while in that persons care. it doesnt mean the woman had an abortion but i would like to see their pro life or pro choice position. Many people dont know this but prior to Susan Smith killing her 2 sons she had an abortion and tried to kill herself. Shed never healed from her abortion. she just got married and tried to move on.
It seems that you are all approaching this from a very short-sighted perspective. If someone who is pro-choice can’t be trusted to watch your children, how can they be trusted to watch their own children? Worse yet, if the mere fact that someone is prochoice makes them a danger to children, how can someone who has had an abortion be “psychologically capable of providing good care?” And since the majority of women who have abortions already have children, isn’t abortion a sign, in your minds, of unfit motherhood? If you really believe what you are saying here, why aren’t you demanding laws that terminate the parental rights of a woman who has an abortion immediately following the procedure?
FWIW, I poked around on the Adam Walsh case and found nothing supporting jtm’s claim. Everything said that he was in his mother’s are before he disappeared from a shopping mall.
Lisa C…um…why, yes, murdering one child does in fact make you an unfit mother. If a women murders her 2 year old would you leave her 4 year old with her? But 1) many women are forced, cohersed, or lied to in order to get her to abort and 2) since it’s currently legal there isn’t any way one can use it to force an evaluation of parental fitness. One would think, however, that once/if abortiona again becomes illegal a women who is fully complicit in the murder of her child, as opposed to forced into it by others, would of course be evaluated for fitness to retain her other kids, just like would happen if she killed her newborn.
That’s not short sighted it recognizing that the murder of an innocent human being is the murder of an innocent human being. If you’re willing to commit one, what’s to stop you from commiting another?