It’s about population control, not “choice”
By Bethany Kerr:
Planned Parenthood has done a remarkable job deceiving millions of women into believing a lie – that PP cares about them and their reproductive “choices.” But it doesn’t take much research of PP’s history to know this is not true. 
Does PP really have an interest in serving women and supporting them in their time of need? Or does PP render service simply to control the population?
Does PP promote homosexuality because it wants people to be free with their sexuality, or is it really about controlling the masses?
A PP VP, Frederick Jaffee, offered the following specific proposals in 1970 for the U.S. to reduce its population growth:
Do any of these options sound “pro-choice” to you?
Look at the Alan Guttmacher’s organization, which is supposedly unbiased and “has no agenda.” Alan Guttmacher served as vice president of the American Eugenics Society as well as President of PP. It sounds to me like “population control” may have been one agenda in mind when he saw the “need” for the institution that bears his name.
In fact, Alan Guttmacher predicted in 1985 the “possibility that eventually coercion [in population programs] may become necessary.” He told a reporter that coerced abortion may be needed the most “in areas where the pressure is the greatest, possibly in India and China.” (Glasow, Richard D., Ph. D., “Ideology Comels Fervid PPFA Abortion Advocacy,” National Right to Life News, March 28, 1985)
And although PP has stated time and again, “We are supporting and fighting for everyone’s freedom to make their own decisions about having children,” this freedom apparently shouldn’t extend to the people in China. PP does not criticize China’s one child policy that forces women to have abortions after their first child. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, “Few women dispute that women’s lives are better now than in the past…” (because of China’s “family planning programs”).
It’s obvious to me this is not about women and it’s not about choice. It’s about controlling the masses, serving PP’s agenda to keep the population count low. PP doesn’t care who it hurts along the way. PP just wants to make sure its agenda is served. And it’s seemingly getting closer to it’s goal every year.
Here are some random quotes from PP representatives:
“The point is still under debate as to whether pregnancy is a disability, a disease, a choice or a right.”
~ Rachel Cressman, PPFA program director, Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph, July 20, 1978“We are still unable to put babies in the class of dangerous epidemics, even though that is the exact truth.” ~ Mary S. Calderone, PPFA medical director, 1968
“I [now] have one more thing in common with… the first leader of Planned Parenthood-Margaret Sanger.. the recipient of the Humanist of the Year Award in 1957.” ~ Fay Wattleton, PPFA president, accepting the Humanist of the year Award, The Humanist, July-August 1986
“Emphasis shall be put on services [birth control, sterilization, abortion, etc.] to… teenagers and young adults.” ~ Five-Year Plan, PPFA, 1975-1980
Now how does all this tie in with the idea of “pro-choice”?
Jun.04, 2007 1:10 pm |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
They do care about us. You only care about fetuses.
Jill look at feminists for life.
http://www.ffl.org
there might be some people associated with Planned Parenthood who also support population control. I hear mixed things about PP, including some who find their services very helpful and necessary.
Quotes from the 60s and 70s are pretty old, and not necessarily current thinking at the organizaton.
But, lest there be any confusion, some of those ideas put forward by Jaffee are a bit extreme. (although I don’t know what “Encourage increased homosexuality” would mean in practice. Perhaps that’s what happned over the years.)
Perhaps I’m naieve but I never thought about homosexuality as a way of population control. Obviously two men won’t make a baby, but I never really thought about it it terms of a wide spread population issue.
Interstingly (abiet off topic), there is a homosexual pro-life organization.
http://www.plagal.org/
Adolf Hitler – Fuehrer of Nazi Germany:
“The demand that defective people be prevented from propagating equally defective offspring. . . represents the most humane act of mankind.”
Margaret Sanger – Founder of Planned Parenthood:
“we prefer the policy of immediate sterilizarion, of making sure that parenthood is ‘ absolutely prohibited ‘ to the feeble-minded.”
Margaret Sanger’s eugenics beliefs intertwined her with Nazis who were influenced by her. She is truly Hitler’s Valkyrie
I’d like to see some of the context around some of those quotes. Nothing in Wattleton’s quote indicates WHAT she has in common with Sanger other than the award. And what’s so bad about a five year plan focusing on services? Or Calderone’s claim about an ongoing debate? You can put any spin you want on something when you yank it out of context.
And, yes, a few people involved in planned parenthood had some stupid ideas. And a few people who are involved with the pro-life movement like to go around bombing clinics and killing unborn babies and their mothers. Should we now insist that the entire pro-life movement is really about killing people rather than a save the fetus campaign? No. It would be illogical. The current pope was a member of the Hitler Youth. Does that make the Catholic Church a Nazi organization? Of course it doesn’t. But for some reason, Jill, you seem content to make an analogous claim about Planned Parenthood. Why resort to such terrible arguments?
I’d like to see some of the context around some of those quotes. Nothing in Wattleton’s quote indicates WHAT she has in common with Sanger other than the award. And what’s so bad about a five year plan focusing on services? Or Calderone’s claim about an ongoing debate? You can put any spin you want on something when you yank it out of context.
And, yes, a few people involved in planned parenthood had some stupid ideas. And a few people who are involved with the pro-life movement like to go around bombing clinics and killing unborn babies and their mothers. Should we now insist that the entire pro-life movement is really about killing people rather than a save the fetus campaign? No. It would be illogical. The current pope was a member of the Hitler Youth. Does that make the Catholic Church a Nazi organization? Of course it doesn’t. But for some reason, Jill, you seem content to make an analogous claim about Planned Parenthood. Why resort to such terrible arguments?
Oops! Sorry for the double post.
I doubt PP currently supports forced sterilization.
It isn’t part of the platform of any organization I know of.
It’s counter to the concept of “pro-choice.” (which I think is Jill’s point). But it’s a straw man argument isn’t it? No one is advocating forced sterilization these days.
Cynthia, I don’t have much time right now, but here is a little more info, and below the paragraph you will see a reference for where you can find the actual speech by Faye:
In 1986 the [humanist] Award went to Faye Wattleton, who at the time was PPFA’s president. When Wattleton accepted her award she said, “Another reason I am so honored today is because your movement and mine have a great deal in common. There are a number of similarities in our goals
There’s one thing for certain that Faye Wattleton, an African-American, would never have in common with Margaret Sanger and that is being invited to speak at a Ku Klux Klan rally.
Jill,
What a ridiculous statement. I can only conclude that you are another example of someone who has been brainwashed with the pro-choice bumper sticker rhetoric.
Seriously… you are $$$ signs in their eyes.
If the pro-choice movement really cared about women why, again, doesn’t PP, NARAL, or any other pro-choice organization EVER take a stance on the following violations: (which I have mentioned before and will continue to mention until someone has an answer)
the rape cover-ups, pedophillia, the deaths women suffer at the hands of abortion doctors, the RU 486 deaths that go unrecognized, the roach infested clinics that go unregulated and often include operating with unlicensed practitioners, [the] dirty, filty unsterile equipment, not to mention coersion and lying by “counselers” to get women to abort, the killing of babies who have the audacity to survive abortion… the emotional suffering of women after abortion who get no help from the clinics… the infertility women suffer because of abortion… [and] the pre-mature babies born because they cannot be brought to full-term due weakened cervix muscles.
I have said this again in another thread, but if you support the pro-choice movement, you also support the above.
By not taking a public stance against these violations against women you are just as culpable for the above behaviors to continue.
Can you honestly say that you support these violations????
I must agree with Mary. The KKK would never (unless pigs could fly or hell froze over) invite an African American to one of their rallies.
I must agree with Mary. The KKK would never (unless pigs could fly or hell froze over) invite an African American to one of their rallies.
Well, they might invite them. Sort of how a the big bad wolf might invite three little pigs to dinner. To be the dinner, that is!
Here are a few other facts that can be found on the Planned Parenthood website:
255,015 abortions in 2004
264,942 abortions in 2005
And increase of 9,927 abortions in one year.
1,774 adoption referrals in 2003
1,414 adoption referral in 2004 (2005 not out as far as I know)
That is a decline of 360 adoption referrals in one year.
This means that for every 180 abortions Planned Parenthood referred only one person for adoption.
If you combine the money they get from the government (from our taxes), donations and money from corportions they had a revenue of $882 million.
Sounds like there is some sort of agenda to me.
oops – the revenue of $882 million was from 2005
“This means that for every 180 abortions Planned Parenthood referred only one person for adoption.”
This doesn’t tell us anything unless we know how many of their customers were interested in adoption. Maybe people looking for adoption referrals go somewhere else primarily?
Per Cynthia:
“And, yes, a few people involved in planned parenthood had some stupid ideas. And a few people who are involved with the pro-life movement like to go around bombing clinics and killing unborn babies and their mothers.
Cynthia, your argument is terrible.
The “few people” Jill Stanek quotes in her article were LEADERS of the PP organization who set their target objectives which then dictate the platform for which the organization follows.
The biggest offender is the founder Margaret Sanger who was the matriarch of stupid ideas.
There are no LEADERS in the pro-life movemnt who set objectives to bomb anyone.
MK-
Yes they might invite one for that, but not to speak at a rally. I dont want to think about the other, makes my skin crawl…
@Midnite and MK: I say we invite a KKK member over for a li’l bit of wine and other stain-causing foods and “accidentally” spill it all on him/her…he/she will never get those white sheets clean again…especially if it’s blood from said KKK member from getting punched in the face.
Rae,
Or maybe Doctor Defense could invite them over for lunch…
“I say we invite a KKK member over for a li’l bit of wine and other stain-causing foods and “accidentally” spill it all on him/her…he/she will never get those white sheets clean again…especially if it’s blood from said KKK member from getting punched in the face.”
wouldn’t it be nice if the liberals thought/felt the same about fanatical killing muslims as they do about KKK members…
Jasper, I am not grasping your *point*, assuming there is one.
Rae- I *love* your idea. Meet me in my hometown, and I’ll spread the work, and “trick” them into comming over for a party, lol.
I have to wonder if Ms. Wattleton ever knew Margaret Sanger spoke at a Klan rally. She would realize just how little she had in common with Ms. Sanger. Also, what would Sanger think of Ms. Wattleton? Its most likely she would view her as a racial inferior.
wouldn’t it be nice if the liberals thought/felt the same about fanatical killing muslims as they do about KKK members…
Please note that Jasper said fanatical, killing Muslims and not just Muslims.
There is a difference. Just wanted to avoid another fight.
@Jasper: I’d love to punch them in the face for being as big of ass-hats as the KKK. Though it’s probably a bit easier to get a KKK member over to your house and get them nice and sloshed so they are you know…easier to hit.
Mary,
Margaret Sanger would probably have no problem with Ms. Wattleton. Providing of course she agreed to voluntary sterilization and was willing to bring her coffee and clean her house.
Per Hal
“This doesn’t tell us anything unless we know how many of their customers were interested in adoption. Maybe people looking for adoption referrals go somewhere else primarily?”
Hal,
How could a woman know to be interested in adoption if they aren’t referred or educated about it enough to make a decision.
All women should be reffered because “it’s a choice” they might consider.
It’s been so long since we’ve seen the old vitriolic Jill actually say something… and how I miss helping her stuff the rest of the leg in the mouth after she
They do care about us. You only care about fetuses.
Posted by: jill at June 4, 2007 03:36 PM
The above is the quote from jill. I find her concepts re. caring, odd. It is as if caring = agreeing. It’s like saying: “If you don’t agree with me then you do not care //// you are a bad person.”
Please, help me undrestand if I’m reading this correctly?
“How could a woman know to be interested in adoption if they aren’t referred or educated about it enough to make a decision.
All women should be reffered because “it’s a choice” they might consider.”
I don’t think it takes much education to know whether you’re interested in adoption or not. Every woman knows at least that it requires 9 months of pregnancy. I think most know there is financial assistance available. You can give that kind of facts without a referral to an adoption agency.
Cameron,
I had to read that book for my Intro. to Women and Gender Studies class freshman year and do a literary analysis of it.
I rather enjoyed the book.
…You are talking about The Handmaid’s Tale right?
I dont like social security myself…
MK,
An excellent point.
Heather B, I too did an analysis of The Handmaid’s Tale. Mine was in a Intro to Feminist Literature class at a Woman’s college. Talk about extreme.
How far I’ve come…
Lauren,
Mine covered various topics (history of feminism, women in science, music, and literature).
It was interesting, though we didn’t get too in-depth as it was only a semester long.
We had different professors for each part of the class, too.
“Please, help me undrestand if I’m reading this correctly?”
That’s pretty much it in a nut shell. If it’s something bad, no matter how tenuous and asinine the connection, you are guilty for not sharing their fetus centric notions.
Yes… Handmaid’s tail… sorry. Haven’t actually read it though, just the movie.
Cameron,
The book is actually a good read. I recommend it, if only for entertainment purposes.
I haven’t seen the movie, but I tend to avoid movies based on books for the most part. I find them very disappointing.
Haha Heather, you didn’t miss much. The movie was terrible! It was very hollywood-ized.
I thought Running With Scissors did alright… not much you can do with two hours.
Yes… Handmaid’s tail… sorry. Haven’t actually read it though, just the movie.
Surely you meant Handmaid’s tale.
Please tell me there is not a movie about a woman with a tail out there…yech!
I haven’t seen that either…..
I’m hesitant to watch The Golden Compass when it comes out this year. I love the book and the rest of the series, and I’m afraid they’re going to butcher it.
Tail tale… LOL That was some fine tail though.
Tail tale… LOL That was some fine tail though. What was her name?
Natasha Richardson mmmmmm
http://9th.siff.com/products/images/Natasha%20Richardson.jpg
thanks Cam …. I think,
You call us fetus-centric, and this is “proof” of incompetence. If instead we chose some other humans who were being denied existence (like the people dying of starvation) should we be called food fanatics? [We could be dismissed as reprobates, then!]
There is a large section of morality that deals with ‘no’. People who embrace this lifestyle are not restricted beings, but tend to call the other form of morality … license. It’s like shouting “FIRE” in a theatre …. just for ‘fun’!
@Cameron: Ugh, I read the book “Running With Scissors”, it was crap-tastic. I had to force myself to finish (because to me, there is nothing worse than only partly reading a book).
Cam,
She’s very pretty, but I can’t see her tail!
John,
Excellent points. Food fanatics! I love it!
It’s time to impeach Clarence Thomas for lying under oath (about Anita Hill) during his confimation hearings. Right now we have a PURJURER on the Supreme Court.
That’s PERJUROR.
Maybe he’s entitled to call himself Long Dong Silver. He should be measured and judged accordingly.
We have a perjuror on the Supreme Court.So what?? We had a known perjuror and sex offender as president.
And there weren’t many calling “IMPEACH”
Sure many called “impeach”. But hey, who could blame the poor guy for lying, right? The people who went ballistic over Thomas’ alleged lousy pick up lines were strangely silent when Bill Clinton was accused of everything from exposing himself(aka flashing) to rape.
Wasn’t Ted Kennedy on the panel sitting in judgement of Clarence Thomas? That in itself was the most laughable part of that whole farce. Time, space, and good taste wouldn’t allow me to elaborate on Ted’s history where women are concerned.
At that time, Uncle Ted was trying to get his nephew out of a rape charge, a charge stemming from an incident that occured after a night of Tomcatting with Uncle Ted, who one would think was a tad old to be out romping like a college boy.
Mary,
Snaps to Mary! I love your posts. You were reading my mind.
Cameron, actually it was me who wrote the topic above.
This one was pretty repetitive however with the same sentence regarding choice and PP rearrange ad nauseam.
You’re right. I had spent a long time today putting this together, and I didn’t even notice until I had already posted this that I had posted very redundant questions. I tend to do this when I’m tired. I don’t know why. I made the necessary corrections and think it looks a little better now. Thanks for the critique.
I especially enjoyed the alarmist paranoia about a spiked water supply (sin primary source like all other alarmist tripe here). OMG… I thought it was just fluoride for my teeth!!!
Yes, you’re hilarious. Any thoughts about the abortion leader who suggested this as a means to control fertility within the population?
I’m not saying he should be impeached for his sexual behavior–but for his perjury he should be impeached.
“‘m not saying he should be impeached for his sexual behavior–but for his perjury he should be impeached.”
why would we want to impeach one of the best supreme court justices?
By best do you mean when Clarence Thomas is speaking you can hardly see Antonin Scalia’s mouth moving?
what do mean JK? Do you always attack minorities who have left the liberal plantation?
It was a puppeteer joke; as in Thomas goes whichever way Scalia is going.
And you are going to seriously have to stop with the “liberals are racist” crap.
In fact, its not the liberals who owned the plantations anyway
JK,
Yes, I know what you meant JK.
They both agree with the “original intent” of the constition. I’m hoping John Paul Steven retires soon, he’s awful (along with souter and ginsberg of course), the big shame was he was nominated by a republican -Ford.
Actually I thought the original intent was to not push your politics in your rulings, but to hear the cases and make independent decisions based on the laws and the arguments presented. Yet pretty much all the rulings fall along party lines and its no surprise to me that the ones you think are “fair” are the ones that always side with you. I think Sandra Day O’Conner was a good justice. She actually thought things out instead of immediately siding with whichever side the Republicans wanted her to. That’s why Karl Rove was so happy to see her go; so he could add yet another puppet to his repertoire.
ImpeachThomas
What is your proof that Thomas is guilty of perjury? I also brought up the issue of Clinton’s perjury as well as his sexual misconduct. A very interesting double standard on both counts, wouldn’t you say? In response to your question Jasper, I suspect ImpreachThomas is motivated by a desire to get Thomas off the court because of his conservative stand more than by any so-called concern about perjury. Don’t kid yourself for a minute ImpeachThomas, that whole Clarence Thomas farce was because of his politics, not his lousy pick-up lines, and I’ve had a few hard core feminists confirm that for me. You know, those ladies who turned a blind eye to Clintons sexual abuse of women and perjury?
If sexual misconduct was not an issue, what was the whole Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas Farce about?
Why would some alleged lousy pick-up lines be an issue but not flashing, groping, and raping?
Sandy,
Thank you very much for your kind remarks. They are very much appreciated.
JK,
You think Ruth Bader Ginsberg is not influenced by her liberalism? Why do you think Clinton appointed her? In the real world, justices are influenced by their politics.
I didn’t say she wasn’t. I said every justice (in the present court) tends to vote only on party lines. Thats why nearly every decision is 5-4.
You know that famous sculpture of Lady Justice with a scale and a blindfold? That’s what a judge is supposed to be like. They are not supposed to be there to further their own agendas or someone else’s.
Speaking of racism –
I always wondered something. Why is it everyone went nuts and said ‘impeach’ Clarence Thomas who is black but everyone wanted to protect Bill Clinton who is white. And what Clinton was accused of was far worse than what Thomas was accused of. And Clinton was proved to have committed purjury which is why he was impeached and temperarily lost his law liscense. So how is it that Thomas needs to be impeached but Clinton is the innocent man who did nothing wrong.
Double standards indeed.
JK,
I agree. But this is certainly not unique to this Supreme Court.
When people call for impeaching someone its usually on the basis of politics, not race. Clinton was impeached, who was leading the charge? His political opponents. Regardless of whether he was white, black, hispanic, asian, middle eastern, jew or gentile the same people would have been calling for his impeachment.
I think George Bush should be impeached; it doesn’t mean I hate white people.
No JK,
Its because they’ve committed an offense of some sort. Clinton was not impeached for his politics but because of perjury. Nixon would have been impeached if he had not resigned, and that was because of his illegal activities with Watergate.
I have maintained all along that Thomas was persecuted for his politics, it had nothing to do with race, and even less to do with any kind of sexual miscondut. That was a convenient excuse to go after him because of his politics. Clinton’s sex offenses, and exposing yourself and rape are sex offenses, were overlooked, trivialized and excused. This was because of politics, not race. This is made obvious by the fact that the people who were “concerned” about sexual harassment were strangely silent on the issue of sexual assault. Yes Clinton was impeached for perjury, but got off the hook.
Actually, I was agreeing with you that the people who want Clarence Thomas impeached are people who differ with him politically. *shrug*
Sorry JK,
The only references I saw were to Clinton, who was not impeached for his politics, and Bush. I also agreed with you that impeaching anyone has anything to do with race. The things you do say in your posts about Thomas don’t indicate, to me anyway, that you think people want him impeached for his politics. My apologies if I overlooked something.
Mary,
Interesting how you picked at one of the points I made and ignored the other and then claimed that my objection to the argument made by Jill was terrible. That one statement alone would have been a terrible argument, given your point. But perhaps you should read the rest of the post before making judgments.
I’ll take your point. These were leaders of PP. And, as I noted in my earlier post, the leader of the Catholic Church, the current Pope, was a member of the Hitler Youth. So, I guess I should, on the basis of all this, accept that the Catholic Church is a Nazi organization. Or how ’bout Gandhi. There is a good deal of documented evidence that he was a racist (against those of African descent). Does that mean all Indians are racist, or all those that were part of the passive resistance movement that Gandhi foestered were racist? Or how about the Dahli Llama? There is evidence that he was accepting money from our government to train guerillas and that his real goal is to regain dictatorial power over Tibet. Does that mean that all those who belong to the movement to free Tibet are totalitarian liars? Several of the greatest philosophers in the Western tradition (Heidegger, Frege, and, arguably, Nietzsche) were anti-semites, does that make all those who study their philosophy and consider themselves Heideggarians, Fregeans or Nietzscheans anti-semites? Or how about Bush? He’s the leader of our country, and he’s obviously for the war in Iraq, obviously against abortion, etc, etc, but does that mean that all Americans are, or that America is? Not hardly. Are you a Republican? Do you think that everything that the leader of that party says sets in stone what you, and every other Republican, and the party as a whole, stand for for the next 30 years (note the age of those quotes). Should I go on? I see no need to. It seems crystal clear to me at this point that the fact that the leaders of a particular movement, organization, etc said or thought stupid things 30 years ago is not sufficient evidence that the movement, organization, etc respresents that stupidity today.
JK,
I meant to say that I agree with you that impeaching someone has nothing to do with race.
Cindy,
Do you have me confused with another poster? I don’t recall making any comment about Jill’s post or responding to anything you wrote. Kindly refer me back to the post you are writing about.
Mary,
My posts (tonight anyway) were meant to apply to all sides. I just used Clinton as an example, but I meant things in general and to apply to both Clarence Thomas and other conservatives.
But I do believe that whether or not the person in question is guilty or innocent impeachments are fueled by political differences. Clinton supporters wouldn’t have wanted him impeached, so why would they bring about impeachment proceedings? Conservatives wanted Clinton out of office, so they jumped at the chance that was presented to them. Conservatives surely want Thomas to stay on the Supreme Court so why would they want to impeach him? Liberals are the ones that could gain by Thomas being relieved of his post (at least in ’09 when a Democrat is finally back in the white house)
Oh… I’m sorry Mary. That post was actually in response to Sandy. I don’t know how I managed to get from “Sandy” to “Mary”. Apologies.
“the leader of the Catholic Church, the current Pope, was a member of the Hitler Youth”
You mentioned this twice, he was a young kid then, unlike Sanger who was an adult.
“And, yes, a few people involved in planned parenthood had some stupid ideas”
See, the problem here is Cynthia, is that they still have stupid ideas, like killing unborn children.
Jasper,
“You mentioned this twice, he was a young kid then, unlike Sanger who was an adult.”
Yes, he was, a youth raised with Nazi ideals. Great background for the leader of any organization, much less the most powerful church in the world. (Just in case you didn’t pick up on it, that was sarcastic). Note how you try to justify his having been a member of this organization with his youth, but when others note that eugenics was a widespread belief system in the 60s and 70s, you won’t accept that as an exculpation of those particular beliefs of Sanger’s. If you won’t accept the context surrounding the belief or action, why should I?
Now, would you like to say something about the rest of the examples I brought up, or are you willing to admit that the form of the argument is invalid?
“See, the problem here is Cynthia, is that they still have stupid ideas, like killing unborn children.”
Now, see, that’s a separate argument – whether or not terminating a pregnancy is a “stupid idea”. If you’d like to actually address the same issue I was addressing, fine. If not, provide arguments for your position rather than merely making statements with improper punctuation.
JK,
You have a point, but whatever, charges of some kind must be made and have a basis for them. There were certainly reasons for impeaching Clinton(D) and Nixon(R). Otherwise, what president would serve a full term in office if politics alone could send him packing?
Perhaps efforts will be made to prove Thomas perjured himself and I do not for a minute doubt they will be fueled by political considerations. After all, why after 15 years would it suddenly be a “concern” and why, if there was any evidence of perjury, was it not presented before he took the bench?
Cynthia,
Not a problem. I just wanted to be certain you weren’t referring to something I had said when addressing someone else.
Yes, he was, a youth raised with Nazi ideals. Great background for the leader of any organization, much less the most powerful church in the world.
So are you saying that the things a person is taught as a child is most certainly an indicator of exactly what they will believe and represent as an adult?
Many of the people here on this blog, who have been raised by Christian parents, have admitted they are now athiests or agnostic. Are they lying, in your opinion? If they were leaders of athiestic organizations, would you say they had no right to be there, because they had a “background in Christianity”?
The current pope was a member of the Hitler Youth. Does that make the Catholic Church a Nazi organization? Of course it doesn’t. But for some reason, Jill, you seem content to make an analogous claim about Planned Parenthood. Why resort to such terrible arguments?
Sandy’s argument still applies.
You can’t genuinely tell me that someone who was taught Nazi ideals as a child and now rejects it, is comparable to an adult who knowingly supports Eugenics and population control, and never rejects it at all. It doesn’t add up.
Note how you try to justify his having been a member of this organization with his youth, but when others note that eugenics was a widespread belief system in the 60s and 70s, you won’t accept that as an exculpation of those particular beliefs of Sanger’s. If you won’t accept the context surrounding the belief or action, why should I?
So?
Abortion as a right is a widespread belief, yet many adults are capable of seeing it as morally wrong.
Slavery as a right used to be a widespread belief, yet many adults were capable of seeing it as morally wrong.
Whether CHILDREN could tell the difference between right or wrong is totally beside the point. Children are easily influenced until they get older and begin questioning the things they are taught. They have a choice to accept or reject those teachings as an adult. They are not “forced” to believe something as an adult soley because the “majority believes it is okay”.
Margaret Sanger was an adult who made a CHOICE to embrace Eugenics and to influence thousands of women into sick philosophy of life. Who is accountable for Margaret Sangers’ beliefs? Margaret Sanger.
Was it okay that all the things that Nazi’s did….do you hold them accountable, or do you give them excuses because “well, the idea that the Jews were inferior and non-human was a widespread belief, so it’s okay that they killed and experimented on them.”?
“the fact that the leaders of a particular movement, organization, etc said or thought stupid things 30 years ago is not sufficient evidence that the movement, organization, etc respresents that stupidity today.”
The pope is preaching Life, whereas PP is still trafficking in death. One has clearly moved away from the implications and associations of his early activities; the other is not.
It’s a bit anecdotal but there’s also a bit of a “duh” factor.
Personally, I don’t need to invoke Hitler to try to smear PP. They’re low-down enough as it is. ;-)
Rasqual, how true that is.
By the way, I know this has nothing to do with the topic, but I happened to find your “Roast Coffee in a Mug” experiment and thought it was very cool! Also…. the mousetrap idea….perfect!!!! I am going to attempt to build one of those in preparation for wintertime when the mice start coming in again. I love the idea of being able to catch and release them, but the catch and release traps that you buy at walmart don’t seem to work very well. Yours looks like it might work wonderfully.
By the way…
For Cynthia:
Faye Wattleton, President of PPFA from 1978 to 1992 proclaimed on May 2, 1979,
“Yes, you’re hilarious. Any thoughts about the abortion leader who suggested this as a means to control fertility within the population?”
I haven’t seen such a quote, nor have you directed us to primary sources containing one.
Frederick Jaffee, Vice President, Planned Parenthood —World Population, Family Planning Perspectives, October 1970.
I’m not going to read everything he’s said. Could you actually provide the quote and where you found the quote.
I poked around and found this stuff on an Islamic anti-U.S. web site. Their using it to make a case against the U.S..
I poked around a little further and found that this was from a memo between Jaffee and another guy at another org. It is not policy for either org, or any state for that matter, and it is ultimately a “what if” thing… specifically… what if population growth is viewed as horribly “out of control”.
What you like me to cite things religious leaders have said during the same era regarding other races, particularly black? I really don’t think I have to though to advance my point.
You’re missrepresenting and desiminating these cherry-picked and meaningless tid bits for the purposes of alarmism, proximally, and for the purposes of constraining policy decission regarding population and reproduction. Unequivocally, these constraints will ultimately come at the cost of women’s health, and you suggesting there is a lack of choice simply because you’ve foolishly bought into the rhetoric is kind of funny and ironic in sad way. Seriously think about what you cut n paste if you are so incapable of thinking for yourself:
“OMG… a guy back in the 60’s was talking about controlling populations with another guy…so I think we should force women to bear children??
Per Cynthia:
“Interesting how you picked at one of the points I made and ignored the other and then claimed that my objection to the argument made by Jill was terrible. That one statement alone would have been a terrible argument, given your point. But perhaps you should read the rest of the post before making judgments.”
Per Bethany:
“Sandy’s argument still applies.
You can’t genuinely tell me that someone who was taught Nazi ideals as a child and now rejects it, is comparable to an adult who knowingly supports Eugenics and population control, and never rejects it at all. It doesn’t add up.”
Cynthia,
I did read your entire post.
Thank you Bethany for stating your opinion, which supports exactly why I chose not to include your later statement in my argument. It made no sense to address it.
Per Cynthia:
“Interesting how you picked at one of the points I made and ignored the other and then claimed that my objection to the argument made by Jill was terrible. That one statement alone would have been a terrible argument, given your point. But perhaps you should read the rest of the post before making judgments.”
Per Bethany:
“Sandy’s argument still applies.
You can’t genuinely tell me that someone who was taught Nazi ideals as a child and now rejects it, is comparable to an adult who knowingly supports Eugenics and population control, and never rejects it at all. It doesn’t add up.”
Cynthia,
I did read your entire post.
Thank you Bethany for stating your opinion, which supports exactly why I chose not to include your later statement in my argument. It made no sense to address it.
Can The Entire World Population Fit Within The Boundries of Texas?
LEGEND
1 Acre = 43,560 Square Feet
1 Square Mile = 640 Acres or 27,878,400 Square Feet (640 x 43,560)
Are you considering where these people will work? Transportation issues? How everyone will be fed? How the crime rate will be affected? Where the sewage and other waste will go? Where the garbage will be put? The pollution that will happen from all these people? How recycling would work? How much lumber would be used? Schooling issues?
Math doesn’t mean much when you get into real-world problems.
Less, do you honestly think that the whole world is going to need to squeeze into the state of Texas anytime soon? Give me a break. This example is given to explain how easily they can fit into one state, and because of this, obviously they can even more easily fit into the entire world’s space with no problem.
Are you considering where these people will work? Transportation issues? Where the sewage and other waste will go? Where the garbage will be put? Schooling issues?
Less: No, my example addresses housing only to prove a point. You have the entire rest of the United States outside of Texas and even the rest of the world to address the other issues you brought up.
How everyone will be fed?
Less, Unlike you I realize people are the world’s greatest resource. I believe people are a benefit to society not a liability. I realize one farmer for instance can feed thousands of people. I know Pro-Aborts don’t like to hear this because they feel killing babies/people in the mothers womb is doing the world a favor.
The pollution that will happen from all these people?
Same old Pro-Abort rheteric. Abortions must go on because the world is overpopulated and there’s too much polution in the world.
Less, at some point you still need to get away from the Pro-Abort arguments which were already defeated in the 70’s and 80’s. Please read this book and get caught up into 2007.
http://www.lifedynamics.com/Abortion_Information/Pro-life_Product/?id=144
Mike
I’m suggesting that there are other issues besides space that determine how population growth is a problem. Think of how much the ozone layer has deteriorated, how detrimental cattle farming is in most of the US, how overfishing has damaged our oceans. I assume you’ve heard of the garbage crisis in New York. Think, also, of all the oil and gas issues, how much electricity is currently consumed by the world, and how little food there is for the vast majority of the population.
As I said, math doesn’t mean much when you think of the problems of a real world. Just because there’s space doesn’t mean we should use it. Consider also the fact that humans aren’t the only one on this planet: tigers, for example, need at least an acer of uninhabited land for territory, and without the world’s rain forests, which cover portions of South America, our oxygen would be severely depleted. There are other organisms besides humans on this planet, and what right have we to wipe them out because we couldn’t manage to control our own population, something that every other species on the planet can do?
Mike, I have told you already: I do my own research, and have no desire to read your biased “pro-life handbook.” I have access to scholarly databases, the internet, and several college libraries. Why would I read that book?
Less, Unlike you I realize people are the world’s greatest resource. I believe people are a benefit to society not a liability. I realize one farmer for instance can feed thousands of people. I know Pro-Aborts don’t like to hear this because they feel killing babies/people in the mothers womb is doing the world a favor.
I totally agree with you, Mike.
People aren’t the world’s greatest resource: there are billions of them and counting. Not all people are a benefit to society: look at serial killers and most politicians. One farmer can feed thousands of people…if he makes the right crops, if those crops flourish. And what about the farmer? In today’s society, farmers don’t make any sort of money.
The reality of it is is that every person on this earth has an impact on the environment. This is inescapable.
This population and ecology problem is resulting in a schism among evangelicals. Many beleive that we are suppose to be care-takers of earth and the unprecedented extinctions are unnacceptable. They beleive the sanctity of life extends beyond humans only. Life in general is to be cherished and nurtured. The other camp beleives the earth was given to us and we must harness/rape it exclusively for the purposes of making more christians and pretty much nothing else. Too bad they’re not that interested in space colonization… at least not just yet. I suspect the mormons are the ones who’ve got they’re eyes on the stars though and are thinking ahead reasonably.
“The reality of it is is that every person on this earth has an impact on the environment. This is inescapable.”
Sounds like Margaret Sanger and other Marxist…. we’ll yes, Less is a marxist… so that makes sense…Can, he’s a marxist too.
I’m no Marxist. but you can’t argue that every person on this earth has an impact on the environment. Some more than others, of course. I think less people is better than more people.
In fact, Jasper, I’m not sure that Marx had an environmental outlook. (but it’s been a long long time since I read anything he wrote)
Identifying the problem has much less political ramifications then suggesting a solution. In other words, some proposals for dealing with environmental problems have some socialist tendencies, some have capitalist tendencies.
jasper, you’re kinda dumb sometimes. I’m not a Marxist, not any particular political party. I know what I believe, I know what I believe to be right, and I vote based on that. I’m environmentally conscious and always have been, particularly as my dad is an environmental engineer.
*sigh*
Bethany,
No, Sandy’s argument doesn’t apply to my whole point any more than it did to the whole point of my first post. I’ll try to make it easy for you:
My point was that something said by the leader of some group or organization 30 years ago is not evidence that members of the group or organization or the group or organization itself agrees with those statements.
Now, forget about the Pope, since that seems to be what is really getting your goat, and look at my other examples. You say that the fact that eugenics was a popular idea in this country doesn’t excuse Sanger’s belief in it. I agree. I don’t believe the prevalence of racism excuses the Gandhi’s belief in it (and he was an adult at the time) or his belief in the inferiority of women, but I also have the intelligence to know that the fact that Gandhi was a racist and a sexist says nothing about the worth of the movement that he began.
I don’t believe there is any excuse for the lies and evil intentions of the Dahli Llama (as an adult), but I don’t look at those who support a Tibet free of Chinese rule and assume that they want to reinstate a totalitarian rule there.
I don’t look at something said by the leader of the Republican party, or the Democratic party (adults) 30 years ago and assume that the party actually holds that today. Hell, I don’t even assume that the crazy BS that Tim LaHaye spews everywhere is representative of the christian right. Why? Because I know better. I know that people’s ideals change over time and that some individuals may share one goal (advancing women’s health and women’s rights) and disagree on another (eugenics). If you disagree, however, then I guess I’ll assume that everything Tim LaHaye and all the other right wing nut jobs said 30 years ago (as adults) about their positions on evolution, women, etc, etc, etc is representative of the christian right today. Do I need to drag up some of the nasty drivel from the 70s that some of the right wingers said (I bet there’s some nasty racism to be found, along with some sexism and some really stupid ideas about social darwinism)? Or will you just accept what to me is an obvious fact – that what the representative of an organization said 30 years ago says nothing about the organization or the people involved in it today.
Thanks for giving me the context of the quotes. I appreciate it. Although I noted that you are pushing the fact that people honor Sanger. This is the same horrible argument form that was made in the original post. It’s not even ad hominem; it’s one step removed. The fact that they are honoring Sanger for her work does not mean they agree with her stance on eugenics. Find me one quote (from a nonbiased source, please) from the past ten years of a PP leader pushing eugenics and I’ll shut up.
Sandy,
Well, if you read the whole post, you surely didn’t have justification to claim that my argument was terrible, since you only addressed one of the examples I use rather than the others -the same example, incidentally, that Bethany picked on. (Must have hit a nerve there) I was just trying to interpret your claim charitably.
What I meant by marxist statement is; people who support government controlling the masses, etc. By whatever means, ex: communist China, Cuba, etc
Marxist
adjective
1. following the ideas of Marx and Engels
You used the word incorrectly, then, as what you meant and what the definition is are two completely different things. I don’t support the government controlling the masses: thus, I support gay marriage (why should the government control who you marry?), do not support restrictions on birth control (why should the government control what I put in my body?) and support legalization of drugs (again, why should the government control what the masses put in their bodies?).
“(why should the government control what I put in my body?)”
Less, do you support government mandated vaccines?
Now, forget about the Pope, since that seems to be what is really getting your goat,
It doesn’t “get my goat”, I simply disagree with your premise. I actually know nothing about the pope, as I am protestant. I just think that your linking him to nazism is faulty, based on what you said. If you could link him to Nazism as an adult, even 30 years ago, I would agree that you were probably correct.
“Though UNFPA is the only multilateral agency devoted to providing adults and adolescents with family planning and reproductive health care services, the Bush administration has withheld congressionally approved funding to UNFPA for the past four years.”
The is a quote from Planned Parenthood, that you can see here:
Although they mask it with nice sounding words like “Reproductive Health Care” and “Family Planning”, we know that this is just cover up for what they really want- control of the population.
Like Hal, Less, and every other pro-abortion advocate I have ever heard, they have a solid belief that “less people is better than more people” and that the world would be better off without at least hundreds of thousands of people every year.
I posted above, a link to the Alan Guttmacher Institute’s study on the one child policy in China. This study was performed in 2004. The study basically showed that, while they felt coercive abortions and sterilizations are, you know, maybe sort of kind of bad, just “look at the results”…women seem happier now!
“CONCLUSIONS: Few women disputed that women’s lives were better now than in the past.”
Although the UNFPA supports coerced abortions, and has a hand in helping it continue, Planned Parenthood, NOW, and other abortion leaders continue to urge support of UNFPA, claiming that:
“Withholding funds for these much needed services will not promote gender equity around the world.”
Now, how in the world are they promoting gender equality around the world when they themselves admit, in the Alan Guttmacher study:
“China’s one-child policy, however, places women
“Arthur E. Dewey, Assistant Secretary for Population, Refugees and Migration
Testimony before the House International Relations Committee
Washington, DC
December 14, 2004
Thank you Chairman Smith and Members of the Committee for providing us with an opportunity to appear before you today to discuss the one-child policy in China.
The Bush Administration is deeply committed to advancing human rights issues, in China and around the globe. The Administration is also deeply committed to upholding liberty and the dignity of human life, and we strongly and absolutely oppose the practice of coercive abortions and sterilizations wherever they occur.
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Less, do you support government mandated vaccines?
No. I think it’s idiotic to not be vaccinated, but if you want to expose yourself to possibly deadly bacteria, go right ahead. Not my concern. I do believe, however, that schools have a responsibility to protect children, and that protecting children includes vaccinations: children whose parents refuse to vaccinate them shouldn’t be banned from going to school, but they need to be watched particularly carefully for illness.
There are no good reasons to not be vaccinated. But if, due to some archaic religious preference, you refuse to be protected, there should be some sort of program to make sure that schools, workplaces, etc know that you aren’t vaccinated. Stupid as I believe it to be to not be vaccinated, interfering with religious beliefs isn’t quite fair.
Note, however, that I am talking about necessary and safe vaccines. The vaccine that, a few years back, was related to autism in children wouldn’t be safe, and the flu vaccine isn’t necessary.
I have good medical reasons not to vaccinate, Less. I had uncontrollable seizures as a direct result of my own vaccinations as a child, and my fever spiked to 105. I do not think that this, among my many other reasons not to vaccinate, are for “religious” reasons. But thanks for answering the question, as rude and condescending as it was.
Than that wouldn’t be safe for you, now would it Bethany? I said that vaccines should be administered so long as they were safe. I realize that occasionally people do suffer allergic reactions to vaccines, and they are often severe. That would certainly be a good reason not to vaccinate.
I have no respect for people who choose not to protect their children because they believe it to be morally wrong, just as I have no respect for people who refuse to allow their children to have blood transfusions or cancer treatments because they don’t believe it to be right.
I have no respect for people who choose not to protect their children because they believe it to be morally wrong
Whether the vaccination really protects or not is the debate, I believe. For instance, graphs show that polio was going down before the widespread administration of the vaccine, and many of us believe that it was more sanitary conditions and standards of food transport and other things like this which contributed to the drop in polio, not the vaccine. Also, cases that used to be referred to as polio are now being referred to as Menengitis…and the risk of contracting polio from the live virus vaccine is greater than the risk of acquiring the disease from naturally occurring viruses.
You have to look further into the reasons for the arguments rather than just “oh they do it just cause they’re religious”. People who choose not to vaccinate are “idiotic”? I don’t think so. We who choose not to vaccinate choose so because we took the time to educate ourselves about it instead of believing that doctors know everything. Isn’t that something you’re supposedly all about? Aren’t you supposedly supportive of people educating themselves and making their own decisions based on facts and not just ignorantly believing whatever they’re told? I only vaccinated my children when I blindly trusted that everything was okay with them. It was only after taking the time to do thorough research that I decided against them. And there were physical results in my first child that I have noticed and do believe are a result of his vaccinations. This absolutely is not a religious issue, as far as I’m concerned.
I did do the research, particularly with the HPV vaccine, and definitely concluded that the benefits outweighed the risks. Do you want to prove anything about what you’ve said regarding the meningitis and polio vaccines? You’re also ignoring the TB vaccine, the measles vaccine, the smallpox vaccine. There are problems with vaccines, but as I said, the benefit outweighs the determents.
If you don’t believe that vaccines are helpful, that’s fine. But pushing that belief onto your children and thus exposing them to a host of childhood illnesses that are completely preventable is, to me at least, inexcusable.
from vaccine liberation:
Vaccination Quotes.
“My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others.” –Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.
“The evidence for indicting immunisations for SIDS is circumstantial, but compelling. However, the keepers of the keys to medical-research funds are not interested in researching this very important lead to the cause of an ongoing, and possibly preventable, tragedy. Anything that implies that immunisations are not the greatest medical advance in the history of public health is ignored or ridiculed. Can you imagine the economic and political import of discovering that immunisations are killing thousands of babies?” –Dr. Douglass M.D.
“Only after realising that routine immunisations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates. The worst vaccine of all is the whooping cough vaccine… it is responsible for a lot of deaths and for a lot of infants suffering irreversible brain damage. In susceptible infants, it knocks their immune systems about, leading to irreparable brain damage, or severe attacks or even deaths from diseases like pneumonia or gastro-enteritis and so on.” –Dr. Kalokerinos, M.D.
“Delay of DPT immunisation until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death.” –Raymond Obomsawin, M.D.
“Autism may be a disorder linked to the disruption of the G-alpha protein, affecting retinoid receptors in the brain. A study of sixty autistic children suggests that autism may be caused by inserting a G-alpha protein defect, the pertussis toxin found in the D.P.T. vaccine, into genetically at-risk children.” –Mary N. Megson, M.D.
“This report describes six mothers who received live virus vaccines and one who received a Hepatitis B vaccine during pregnancy after having received an MMR booster five months prior to conception. All the children who resulted from these pregnancies have had developmental problems, six out seven (85%) were diagnosed with autism, and the seventh seems to exhibit symptoms often associated with autistic spectrum disorders.” –F. EdwardYazbak, MD
“Every day new parents are ringing us. They all have the same tragic story. Healthy baby, child, teenager, usually a boy, given the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus) or DT (diphtheria and tetanus), MMR or MMR booster followed by a sudden fall or slow, but steady decline into autism or other spectrums disorder.”–The Hope Project (Ireland)
“There is no evidence whatsoever of the ability of vaccines to prevent any diseases. To the contrary, there is a great wealth of evidence that they cause serious side effects.” — Dr. Viera Scheibner
“My data proves that the studies used to support immunisation are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunisation provides a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. This question can only be determined by proper studies which have never been performed. The flaw of previous studies is that there was no long term follow up and chronic toxicity was not looked at. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research…and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies.” –John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A.
“The medical authorities keep lying. Vaccination has been a disaster on the immune system. It actually causes a lot of illnesses. We are changing our genetic code through vaccination.” –Guylaine Lanctot M.D. Canadian author of the best-seller ‘Medical Mafia’.
Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.
“Crib death” was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of childhood. –Harris L.Coulter, PhD.
“These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognised major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunisation may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study.” –William C. Torch, M.D., Director of Child Neurology, Department of Paediatrics, University of Nevada School of Medicine
“You cannot be in the presence of a profoundly vaccine damaged child and not know that child could be your own. And you cannot try to comfort a mother who has just buried a baby who has died from a vaccine or a disease and not know that you could be the one standing over the grave. When it happens to your child, the risks are 100 percent.” -Anonymous
“Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS.” –Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims.
Dr. Michael Odent has written a letter in the JAMA (1994) where his figures show a five times higher rate of asthma in pertussis immunised children compared to non-immunised children. He is also quoted in the International Vaccination Newsletter (Sept. 1994): “Immunised children have more ear infections and spend more days in hospital.”
“The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond all reasonable doubt, that artificial immunisation is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given.” –Richard Moskowitz, M.D., Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy, March 1983 (76:7)
“Vaccination is expensive and represents a cost of one billion dollars annually. It therefore benefits the industry; most notably, the multinational manufacturers. One sells the vaccines. The other then provides the arsenal of medications to respond to the numerous complications that follow. Their profits increase while our expenses go through the roof. To the point where we have simply had it up to here and are ready to accept the unacceptable, such as socialised medicine in the United States, for example.” –Dr Lanctot MD
In the May 24, 1996, New Zealand Medical Journal, J. Barthelow Classen, MD, a former researcher at the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the founder and CEO of Classen Immunotherapies in Baltimore, reported that juvenile diabetes increased 60 per cent following a massive hepatitis B vaccination campaign for babies six weeks or older in New Zealand from 1988 to 1991. In the October 22, 1997, Infectious Diseases in Clinical Practice, Classen showed that Finland’s incidence of diabetes increased 147 per cent in children under five after three new vaccines were introduced in the 1970s, and that diabetes increased 40 per cent in children aged 5 to 9 after the addition of the MMR and Hib vaccines in the 1980s. He concluded that “the rise in IDDM [juvenile onset diabetes] in the different age groups correlated with the number of vaccines given.”
Yet some parents and doctors, concerned about the future, are looking beyond the present. “What we forget is that millions of years of evolution have taken place on this planet, and up until the last 100 years, humans have lived in relative harmony with microbes. Yes, there have been epidemic infectious diseases in history, but they have always resolved themselves. I don’t think there is any real appreciation for what we may be doing by using so many vaccines to try to eradicate so many organisms. If we stay the present course, will mankind be free from infectious disease but crippled by chronic disease? Will eradication of feared diseases, such as AIDS, through mass vaccination be one of man’s greatest triumphs or will we live in fear of deadly mutations of microbes that have outsmarted man’s attempt to eradicate them? We may look back at the crossroads we are at today and wish we had decided to make peace with nature instead of trying to dominate it.” –Richard Moscowitz, MD
“This..forced me to look into the question of vaccination further, and the further I looked the more shocked I became. I found that the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realise that this is not so . . . My final conclusion after forty years or more in this business [medicine] is that the unofficial policy of the World Health Organisation and the unofficial policy of the ‘Save the Children’s Fund’ and … [other vaccine promoting] organisations is one of murder and genocide. . . . I cannot see any other possible explanation. . . . You cannot immunise sick children, malnourished children, and expect to get away with it. You’ll kill far more children than would have died from natural infection.” –Dr Kalokerinos MD
“Two or three years ago there was a rash of positive HIV and hepatitis patients in Baltimore among people who would otherwise not be expected to have a positive test. When studied all of these people had received the influenza vaccine four to six weeks prior and this was rapidly covered up by the press.” — Dr. Eva Snead, Feb 2000
Nine die in flu tragedy as epidemic hits nursing home (Daily Express 1/1/1999) Nine pensioners died within days of each other after a suspected flu epidemic swept the nursing home where they lived. An investigation has been launched after it emerged all the victims suffered severe chest infections despite having the flu vaccinations.
If vaccines are so effective in preventing disease why have epidemics occurred around the world following mass vaccination programs? In the Philippines for example, “after ten years of compulsory inoculation against smallpox (25 million shots) over 170,000 got smallpox and 75,000 deaths were recorded between 1911 and 1920” (from the Townsend Letter for Doctors article “Are Vaccines Generally Detrimental to the Human Defence System,” Feb/Mar 1994).
“Sudden Infant Death Syndrome has been reported following administration of DPT. The significance is unclear. 85% of SIDS cases occur in the period 1 through 6 months of age, with the peak incidence at age 2 to 4 months.” –From the accompanying insert to Connaught Labs DPT shot.
“There has been a frightening increase in cases of autism that has not been explained. There are a number of anecdotal reports from parents that symptoms of autism have appeared close to the time of the (MMR) vaccine.” Jane Orient, M.D., executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and clinical lecturer in medicine at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, and a professor of clinical medicine at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.
Even the WHO (World Health Organisation) has admitted, disease and mortality rates in Third World countries have no direct correlation with immunisation procedures or medical treatment, but they are closely related to the standard of hygiene and diet. A 1973 issue of Scientific American revealed the same finding : that “over 90% of all contagious disease was eliminated by vastly improved water systems, sanitation, living conditions and transportation of food.” Mass vaccinations did not appear on the scene until a century after the decline in infectious diseases started (1850-1940), but inoculations were, and still are given full credit. –Susan DeSimone
“Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and measles occurred before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics.” —Dr. Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.
“The mechanics of vaccination to build immunity, on the other hand, is quite unnatural. Rather than space exposure to a relatively minuscule level of micro-organisms in a gradual manner, massive quantities of antigens are introduced into the body through a series of vaccinations that are given right in a row over a short period of time. All vaccines, with the exception of the OPV (oral polio vaccination) are injected directly into the bloodstream, by-passing the mucosal immune system known as the secretory IgA. The secretory IgA is the first in a series of defensive levels within the immune system. It serves as a buffer, filtering microbes so that the impact of these invading organisms is greatly reduced once it reaches the bloodstream. The IgA allows the antigen to be removed in the same manner in which it arrived – through the mucosal barrier – by sneezing, coughing and sweating. So a vaccine that has been injected “gives the body no warning, no generalised inflammatory response, no chance to recognise, duplicate or defend itself against future challenges from typical antigens,” writes Dr. Mendelsohn in How to Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor.
A recent topical example: the diphtheria case, and the “fear” created by this one, extremely mild, case in an unvaccinated child. Dr Ossi Mansoor, a principal doctor regarding vaccination policy, stated on Radio Pacific, “The figures we have are that in the 1920s there were 800 deaths every year” (from diphtheria). Yet the New Zealand Government’s statistics show the average yearly number was below 100, also that the average death rate per 10,000 mean of population fell from 6.08 to 0.20 before the use of the diphtheria vaccine. –Southland Times 30-Sep-1998
“I’ve been practicing for 40 years, and in the past 10 years the children have been sicker than ever.”–Dr Doris J.Rapp, paediatric allergist.
“I once believed in Jenner; I once believed in Pasteur. I believed in vaccination. I believed in vivisection. But I changed my views as the result of hard thinking.”–Dr. Hadwen
“Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, and the whole panoply of childhood diseases are a far less serious threat than having a large fraction (say 10%) of a generation afflicted with learning disability and/or uncontrollable aggressive behaviour because of an impassioned crusade for universal vaccination…….Public policy regarding vaccines is fundamentally flawed. It is permeated by conflicts of interest. It is based on poor scientific methodology (including studies that are too small, too short, and too limited in populations represented), which is, moreover, insulated from independent criticism. The evidence is far too poor to warrant overriding the independent judgements of patients, parents, and attending physicians, even if this were ethically or legally acceptable.” –Association Of American Physicians & Surgeons
“If you want the truth on vaccination you must go to those who are not making anything out of it. If doctors shot at the moon every time it was full as a preventive of measles and got a shilling for it, they would bring statistics to prove it was a most efficient practice, and that the population would be decimated if it were stopped.”—Dr Allinson
“To pass our examinations and get qualified, we must accept what our teachers tell us. In other words, we must cultivate what Josh Billings called ‘A well-balanced mind—one that will balance in any direction required.'”–Major R. Austin M.R.C.S., L.R.C.P
“The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunisation…..There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease.” –Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.
“I think that no person would permit anybody to get close to them with an inoculation if they would really know how they are made, what they carry, what has been lied to them about them and what the real percent of danger is of contracting such a disease which is minimal.”—Dr. Eva Snead
“There are significant risks associated with every immunisation and numerous contraindications that may make it dangerous for the shots to be given to your child….There is growing suspicion that immunisation against relatively harmless childhood diseases may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune diseases since mass inoculations were introduced. These are fearful diseases such as cancer, leukaemia, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig’s disease, lupus erthematosus, and the Guillain-Barre syndrome.” –Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.
“Probably 20% of American children-one youngster in five— suffers from ‘development disability’. This is a stupefying figure..We have inflicted it on ourselves.. ‘development disabilities’ are nearly always generated by encephalitis. And the primary cause of encephalitis in the USA and other industrialised countries is the childhood vaccination program. To be specific, a large proportion of the millions of US children and adults suffering from autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, and other shoots or branches of the hydraheaded entity called ‘development disabilities’, owe their disorders to one or another of the vaccines against childhood diseases.” –Harris Coulter, PhD
“It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated.” – Dr. Glen Dettman.
“There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.” – Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.)
“There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children does more harm than good.” – Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.)
“There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” – Paul Frame, M.D., Journal of Family Practice
“Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection” – Dr. Sabin, developer of Polio vaccine.
“All vaccination has the effect of directing the three values of the blood into or toward the zone characteristics of cancer and leukaemia…Vaccines do predispose to cancer and leukaemia.” -Professor L.Vincent – founder of Bioelectronics
“Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines, being made from monkey kidney tissue, has been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country.” – Dr F. Klenner, M.D.
“Provocation polio. That is the truth about those outbreaks of polio. And I offer a well considered personal opinion that polio is a man made disease.” -Viera Scheibner, Ph.D.
“Even to this day, the government, the FDA is refusing to use the sophisticated biotechnology to evaluate the contaminants in the vaccines such as the polio vaccines that they are administering. I think (people) would be appalled that some of the vaccines that are currently being used are still laced with viruses.” -Leonard Horowitz., D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H.
“May as well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor on the worth of vaccination.”—Bernard Shaw
“The vaccinations are not working, and they are dangerous.. We should be working with nature.” — Lendon H.Smith, M.D.
“For a paediatrician to attack what has become the ‘bread and butter’ of paediatric practice is equivalent to a priest denying the infallibility of the pope.” – Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.
“The decline in infectious diseases in developed countries had nothing to do with vaccinations, but with the decline in poverty and hunger.” –Dr. Buchwald, M.D.
“I was working in one of the oldest lung illness treatment centres in Germany, and just by chance, I looked at the files of those people who had fallen ill during the first German epidemic of smallpox, in 1947…We had always been told that the smallpox vaccination would protect against smallpox. And now I could verify, thanks to the files and papers, that all of those who had fallen ill had been vaccinated. This was very upsetting for me.” – Dr. Buchwald, M.D.
“It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa, South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children…They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis, etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It’s one way to get good statistics. Kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did.” –Dr. Kalokerinos, M.D.
“Only after realising that routine immunisations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates.” –Dr. Kalokerinos
“I well remember, some years ago, listening to a knighted medical researcher as he spoke on the radio, about vaccines. He told two classical stories form the history books. The first concerned Edward Jenner who, according to history, watched as the milkmaid caught cowpox and this protected her from smallpox. So Jenner got some of the ‘cowpox’ and inoculated it into someone’s arm – it fostered and the pus was then inoculated into someone else – 100% success was claimed. 100%!! How absurd – complete with all sorts of germs including hepatitis, syphilis and whatever. If one did that today, without antibiotics, the death rate would be huge.”—Dr. Kalokerinos, M.D.
The prerequisite for today’s medical policy is naturally the currently predominant system of medicine. The sick are the source of income, therefore it is necessary for sick people to be there. And, yes, it proves advantageous if one makes the people artificially sick. –Dr. Med. Steintl: ‘International Medical Policy’, 1938, Berlin
In the April 15, 1998, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), an analysis of drug side effects found that toxic reactions to correctly prescribed medications make more than two million Americans seriously ill every year and kill 106,000, putting drug side effects among the top 10 causes of death in the United States. Among children, antibiotics and vaccines cause more adverse reactions than any other.
In one study, serious reactions to the DPT vaccine (including grand mal epilepsy and encephalopathy) were shown to be as high as 1 in 600. In another study, approximately one out of every 200 children who received the full DPT series suffered severe reactions. Immunisation: Survey of Recent Research, (United States Department of Health and Human Services, April 1983), p. 76.
Dr. Bernard Greenberg, a biostatistics expert, was chairman of the Committee on Evaluation and Standards of the American Public Health Association during the 1950s. He testified at a panel discussion that was used as evidence for the congressional hearings on polio vaccine in 1962. During these hearings he elaborated on the problems associated with polio statistics and disputed claims for the vaccine’s effectiveness. He attributed the dramatic decline in polio cases to a change in reporting practices by physicians. Less cases were identified as polio after the vaccination for very specific reasons. “Prior to 1954 any physician who reported paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a service by way of subsidising the cost of hospitalisation and was being community-minded in reporting a communicable disease. The criterion of diagnosis at that time in most health departments followed the World Health Organisation definition: “Spinal paralytic poliomyelitis: signs and symptoms of non-paralytic poliomyelitis with the addition of partial or complete paralysis of one or more muscle groups, detected on two examinations at least 24 hours apart.” Note that “two examinations at least 24 hours apart” was all that was required. Laboratory confirmation and presence of residual paralysis was not required. In 1955 the criteria were changed to conform more closely to the definition used in the 1954 field trials: residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days after onset of illness and again 50 to 70 days after onset…. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer-lasting paralysis. Furthermore, diagnostic procedures have continued to be refined. Coxsackie virus infections and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from paralytic poliomyelitis. Prior to 1954 large numbers of these cases undoubtedly were mislabelled as paralytic poliomyelitis. Thus, simply by changes in diagnostic criteria, the number of paralytic cases was predetermined as used.
A study revealed that 1 in 175 children who completed the full DPT suffered severe reactions (“Nature and Rates of Adverse Reactions Associated with DPT and DT Immunisations in Infants and Children” [Paediatrics, Nov. 1981, Vol.68, No.5]) and a Dr.’s report for attorneys which found that 1 in 300 DPT immunisations resulted in seizures (The Fresno Bee, Community Relations, DPT Report, Dec 5, 1984).
“Poliomyelitis trends in Pondicherry, south India, 1989-91” (Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health [London], vol. 51, no. 4, August 1997, pages 443-48): About 54 percent of children lamed as a result of poliomyelitis had received three doses of oral polio vaccine before the onset of paralysis.
“Poliomyelitis associated with type-2 poliovirus vaccine strain. Possible transmission from an immunised child to a non-immunised child” (The Lancet, vol. 1, March 30, 1968, pp. 661-3): a sixteen-month-old boy hospitalised for high fever and paralysis had never received any poliovirus vaccine. >From playing and sharing a bed with a cousin, he apparently had contracted paralytic poliomyelitis from the cousin, who had received type-2 oral poliovirus vaccine thirty-three days before. Virological and serological investigation revealed a vaccine-like strain of type-2 poliovirus. The patient’s history revealed no particular susceptibility to infections.”
“If we look closely, we realise that health for all, according to the WHO, means medicalization and vaccinations for all. That is to say sickness for all.” — Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.
Some doctors refuse to vaccinate their own children as well. According to Dr. Jerome Murphy, former head of PediatricNeurology at Milwaukee Children’s Hospital, “There is just overwhelming data that there’s an association [between the pertussis vaccine and seizures]. I know it has influenced many paediatric neurologists not to have their own children immunised with pertussis.”
Vaccine Injury Compensation, Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Health and the Environment, 99th Congress, 2nd Session (July 25, 1986) p 214 “The vaccination lobby shamelessly takes all the children of this world as hostages to still their greed for money and power. They relentlessly abuse our compassion for the weaker and our concern about health to promote their giga-business. No matter what. No matter how many more vaccine victims will suffer death or side-effects. No matter how many financial resources this strategy devours at the expense of essential social investments like housing and employment. No matter what. Shocking! There is no excuse for this crime. Just as shocking is the observation that (health) policy is no longer under local, democratic control. Everything is set up and organised with scrutiny at the highest, international level by those who take profit from it: the pharmaceutical industry, the financial world, politicians.” –Kris Gaublomme, MD
Five deaths have been reported in Australia from vaccines in the 19 month period 6/6/97 to 31/1/99. These statistics make a mockery of the words of Australia’s Health Minister, Dr. Michael Wooldridge, who said: ‘It’s more likely your child will die because of a meteorite falling from space than die from immunisation’.
‘When you do get to the little wrappers that come with the little bottles of vaccine and read the small print, the alarm bells start ringing.., vaccination does not guarantee immunisation… you do run some risk with vaccination… I put it that natural immunity is much more likely to be protective of the child than the much failed record of artificial immunity coming from vaccination’. –Senator Brown of Tasmania (ex medical practitioner).
‘It is impossible to identify all rare adverse events or to identify the safest vaccine combinations prior to licensure’ said Robert Chen, chief of vaccine safety and development activity at the USA National Immunisation Program of the Center for Disease Control.
The USA Association of American Physicians and Surgeons said that children younger than 14 are three times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by Hepatitis ‘B’ vaccine than to catch the disease. They have called for an immediate moratorium on mandatory Hepatitis ‘B’ vaccine for school children pending further research about dangerous side effects.
The USA Public Health Service and the American Academy of Pediatrics are now asking vaccine manufacturers to eliminate the preservative of Thimerosal (a mercury derivative) from all vaccines. Thimerosal is presently being used in Hepatitis ‘B, Diphtheria Tetanus, Pertussis (DTPw), Influenza and Bacterial Meningitis (Hib) vaccines. It has been found that the cumulative effects of ingesting mercury can cause brain damage.
The Centers for Disease Control in the USA recently recommended the phasing-out of the oral polio vaccine in favour of the inactivated polio vaccine by injection. The risk of vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis now seems greater than the risk posed by the disease.
The Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis BSE (Mad Cow Disease) inquiry in the UK has shown that the 40 victims of BSE and the new variant Creutzteldt-Jakob disease may not have had anything to do with eating beef, but from injecting vaccines made from the brains of BSE-infected cattle.
Modern vaccinations, fear of germs and obsession with hygiene are depriving the immune system of the information input upon which it is dependent. This fails to maintain the correct cytokine balance and fine-tune T-cell regulation, and may lead to increased incidences of allergies and autoimmune diseases. If humans continue to deprive their immune systems of the input to which evolution has adapted it, it may be necessary to devise ways of replacing it artificially. –Rook GA, Stanford JL Dept of Bacteriology, UCL Medical School, London, UK.
“Instead of the Government spending $400,000 on immunisation, we may get far better health outcomes if we spend $100,000 in some other way, on nutrition for example…When you have an expenditure on getting your community healthier, then the resistance to many childhood diseases is stronger.” -Michael Moore, .Health Minister, Hansard 1997.
“Among school age children, (measles) outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccination levels of greater than 98%. These outbreaks have occurred in all parts of the country, including areas that had not reported measles for years.” -Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 29/12/1989.
“Dutch scientists are struggling to identify the exact cause of an epidemic of whooping cough that has swept throughout the country despite vaccination rates as high as 96%. Similar problems are also being reported from Norway and Denmark.” -British Medical Journal, 1998.
“An outbreak of measles occurred among adolescents in Corpus Christi, Texas, even though vaccination requirements for school attendance had been thoroughly enforced.” -New England Journal of Medicine Vol. 316: pp 771-774.
“(Whooping cough infections) are common in an immunised population.” -Journal of the American Medical Association, 1998.
“From January 1988 to March 1989, a widespread outbreak (118 cases) of polio type 1 occurred in Oman. Incidence of paralytic disease was highest in children younger than 2 years despite an immunisation program that had recently raised coverage with 3 doses of oral poliovirus vaccine among 12 month old children from 67% to 87%.”
“The incidence of asthma has been found to be five times more common in vaccinated children.” -The Lancet, 1994.
“There is no doubt in my mind that in the U.K. alone some hundreds, if not thousands, of well infants have suffered irreparable brain damage needlessly (due to being vaccinated).” – Prof. G. Stewart, Dev. Biol. Stand. Vol. 61: pp 395-405. 1985.
“There has been a tendency (by doctors) to play down the likelihood of common adverse reactions…Immunisations are thus commonly given without the informed consent of parents. When problems arise after vaccination, these doctors tend to play down the severity of the complaints and will often deny a connection with the vaccination.” – MJA (Medical Journal of Australia) Submission on Vaccination. Dr. Mark Donohoe MB BS. Submitted to the Medical Journal of Australia, Feb 97 rejected May 97, then published in Australian Vaccination Network, “Vaccination Roulette” 1998.
“89% of doctors rely on drug company salesmen for their information.” -The Australian Doctor 1989.
“In the USA the vaccination lobby has made the US Government shoulder the vaccine manufacturers liabilities. The Government established a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in 1986 and has paid out in excess of $1 billion to families for vaccine injuries, mainly from the whooping cough vaccine. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Scheme of the FDA admits 12,000 to 14,000 reports annually and agree that only 10 to 15% of adverse reactions are reported.”
“In 1993 a high court judge in the UK decided that it was impossible to know the exact contents of vaccines and that science had no idea what the cocktail of chemicals, contaminants and heavy metals contained in vaccines could do to the human body, or why they would work to prevent disease.” -British Medical Journal, 1993.
“Studies have shown that while the oral polio vaccine contains three strains of polio virus, a fourth strain can be cultured from the faeces of vaccine recipients. This indicates that viruses have recombined and formed a new strain in the process of vaccination.” -Virology, 1993.
“It is officially admitted that all cases of polio in the US, since the introduction of the vaccine, are caused by the vaccine. The same has been seen in Australia and other countries like England. So the occurrence of the same phenomenon all around the world would be asking too much of coincidence.” – Dr Viera Scheibner, “Vaccination: The Medical Assault on the Immune System” 1993.
“In an outbreak of measles in Western Sydney in 1993, 73% of cases occurred in children aged 5-9 years who had been vaccinated against measles according to their parents.” -Medical Journal of Australia, 1995.
“In the USA in 1978, they mandated vaccination and it resulted in a three fold increase in the reported incidence of whooping cough.” -Dr. Viera Scheibner showing graphs from Tokai Journal of Experimental Biology and Medicine 1988.
Atypical measles has been known about for almost as long as the measles vaccine has been around and it is ONLY found in the vaccinated. It is typified by a milder than usual rash which is probably where the ugly rumour has originated that vaccinated people get milder cases of measles than the unvaccinated. Though the rash may be less, the symptoms can be much worse and the chances of lung involvement are higher than with wild measles (20% +) and liver involvement 3% +) The earliest medical journal study I have about this is “Altered Reactivity to Measles Virus” Atypical Measles in Children Previously Immunised with Inactivated Measles Virus Vaccines. Fulginiti, V.A. et al; JAMA 18/12/67, Vol. 202, No. 12. Viera Scheibner has said that the chances of dying from wild measles are 0.03% while the chances of dying from atypical measles are between 12-15%. It was thought at one time that it was only the early inactivated vaccine that could cause atypical measles, but it is no known that any measles vaccine can. It seems that the vaccine perverts the immune process which may explain the reason why those who are vaccinated can get measles over and over without developing any natural immunity and may not be able to pass immunity onto their unborn child through the placenta.
In Post Vaccine Diseases of the Central Nervous System : Preliminary Results from the Mediterranean Journal of Surgery and Medicine Number 2 1996 On page 71….”Most vaccines have in their composition Thimerosal which has been the reported cause of neurologic and gastrointestinal (mainly related to the purinic nervous pathway) symptoms(6,7) These actions are not dose related.”
“No batch of vaccine can be proved safe before it is given to children.” — Surgeon General of the United States, Leonard Scheele, addressing an AMA convention in 1955
“The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used” — Dr. James A. Shannon, National Institutes of Health
“In this article we begin to address the subject of vaccinosis, the general name for chronic dis-ease caused by vaccines. For some readers the very idea that vaccines are anything but wonderful and life-saving may come as a surprise, and it’s not a very pleasant one. After all, the general population pictures vaccines as one of modern medicine’s best and brightest moments, saving literally millions from the scourge of diseases like poliomyelitis and smallpox.” –Dr. Richard Pitcairn D.V.M., Ph.D
“Pumping more vaccines into the body without understanding such basics as how they’ll affect immune system function over time borders on the criminal.” –Nicholas Regush, ABCNEWS.com
In the United States during the period 1980-1985, 55 cases of paralytic polio were reported. Of these cases, 51 were caused by the oral vaccine and 4 occurred in people returning from developing countries. (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), published by the United States Center for Disease Control. International notes: Imported paralytic poliomyelitis – United States, 1986; 35, 671-674.)
Of the reported 18 cases of paralytic polio in 1977, three of the patients were persons who were in the United States but who were not residents, and 2 of the other 15 victims apparently contracted the disease abroad. Three cases occurred in recent vaccine recipients, and 10 cases had been in close contact with recently vaccinated people. Only 3 cases occurred in persons “without known vaccine association”. (Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), January 23, 1978.)
A study undertaken at the University of California, Los Angeles, under the sponsorship of the Food and Drug Administration, and which has been confirmed by other studies, links DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus) vaccination, and more specifically the pertussis component, to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). This study found that 53 of 145 SIDS victims whose families were interviewed had received a DPT vaccination within 4 weeks. The authors conclude that “the excess of deaths in the 24 hours and first week following immunization and the absence of deaths in the fourth week following immunizations were significant.” They call for more studies to substantiate their findings, despite the fact that this is already the third investigation, and all 3 have pointed in the same direction. (Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal, 1983. Possible temporal association between diphtheria – tetanus toxoid – pertussis vaccination and sudden infant death syndrome. Baraff, L.J., Ablon, W.J., Weiss, R.C.)
A report on 479 whooping cough patients in the US states that 60 percent of patients had received less than 3 doses of DPT vaccine, while the other 40 percent of victims had been fully vaccinated (three doses or more). (Weekly Report, Centers for Disease Control, July 2, 1982.)
Because of the obvious dangers of the whooping cough component of the DPT vaccine, physicians are assuring parents of the “safety” of the other two components of the triple antigen – diphtheria and tetanus (DT), although some doctors have a different view. “It is unnecessary to give a routine booster of diphtheria and tetanus vaccine every 10 years… The benefits of the procedure do not justify the risks.” (Lancet, May 11, 1985. Mathias, R.G. and Schechter, M.T.)
A report on a study of 11 healthy individuals to determine the effects of routine tetanus booster vaccinations, showed that the vaccinations weaken the immune system of the recipients. (New England Journal of Medicine, January 19, 1984.)
As reported by a Chicago Board of Health, during an outbreak of diphtheria in Chicago in 1969, four of the 16 victims had been fully vaccinated against the disease, and 5 others had received one or more doses of the vaccine of which 2 of these showed evidence of “full immunity”. (The People’s Doctor, April 1978, Mendelsohn, R.)
A vast number of children who were injected with a killed measles vaccine between 1963 and 1968 in the United States are now subject, as young adults to what is called “atypical measles”. This is a very severe form of the disease in which it appears that, because of the vaccination, there is an increased susceptibility to measles viruses, resulting from a damaged immune response. (JAMA, 1980, Vol. 1244, No. 8, pp. 804-806.)
A review of 1600 cases of measles in Quebec, Canada, between January and May 1989 revealed that 58 per cent of school-age cases had been previously vaccinated. (MMWR, Measles – Quebec. 1989; 38: 329-330.)
Since the widespread use of the mumps vaccine, the incidence of the disease has shifted to adolescents and adults who are much more susceptible to the complications of testicular and ovarian infection which can lead to sterility. During the period between 1967 and 1971 the annual average cases of mumps in persons greater or equal to 15 years of age was 8.3 percent; in 1987 this same age group accounted for 38.3 percent of cases, which is more than an eightfold increase. (MMWR, Mumps – United States, 1985-1988. 1989; 38: 101-105.)
The HEW reported in 1970 that as much as 26 percent of children receiving rubella vaccination, in national testing programs, developed arthalgia or arthritis. Many had to seek medical attention and some were hospitalised to test for rheumatic fever and rheumatoid arthritis. (Science, US, March 26, 1977.)
This vaccine has been shown to cause serious reactions including convulsions, anaphylactoid allergic reactions, serum sickness-like reactions and death. (Pediatrics, 1987, Milstien et al., 80: 270-274.)
A case-control study has shown that 41 percent of meningitis occurred in children vaccinated against the disease. The vaccine’s protective efficacy was minus 58 percent. This means that children are much more likely to get the disease if they are vaccinated. (JAMA, 1988, Osterholm et al., 260: 1423-1428.)
“The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.” (Review article: 50 REFS. Dept. of Internal Medicine, Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic and Foundation, Rochester, MN. Archives of Internal Medicine. 154(16):1815-20, 1994 Aug 22. )
Measles vaccination produces immune suppression which contributes to an increased susceptibility to other infections. Clinical Immunology and Immunopathology, May 1996; 79(2): 163-170.
Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. (Physician William Howard Hay’s address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record)
“Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren’t necessary or that have very limited benefits” –Jane M. Orient, MD, AAPS (Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) Executive Director.
“There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” –Paul Frame, M.D., Journal of Family Practice
“Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection” –Dr Sabin, developer of Polio vaccine.
“All vaccination has the effect of directing the three values of the blood into or toward the zone characteristics of cancer and leukaemia…Vaccines do predispose to cancer and leukaemia.” –Professor L.Vincent – founder of Bioelectronics
“You medical people will have more lives to answer for in the other world than even we generals.” – Napoleon Bonaparte
“The pharmaceutical corporations are engaged in the systematic corruption of the medical profession, country by country” – John le Carr
Of course the DPT vaccine needs to be investigated: the evidence is compelling, and I have no doubt that there is a link. Again, this vaccine is not safe, and I