Pro-abort chicken dance
While researching my WND column for tomorrow, I came across this little vignette from an Operation Save America protest in Jackson, MS, last year.
OSA told me this morning the boy holding the Bible and praying later approached the girl, who in the video was shouting “hail sodomy” in his ear while another “progressive” waved a sign reading, “Sodomy Prevents Abortion.” He apparently led her to the Lord, which is an amazing conclusion to this little vignette.
Jul.24, 2007 10:30 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
WOW! I’m glad he was able to help her. Almost looked like demonic possession. And they say pro lifers are all pious nut jobs. [Cameron, I had to steal your line]
Lol, I remember seeing that video on YouTube. She’s a nutty one, isn’t she?
yea, she’s nutty. I’m glad he helped her.
Anybody know if the wonderful, young boy holding the Bible is unattached? I want to take him home and have him marry one of my daughters. I got four of them, all very nice and very Catholic.
JJ,
4 daughters? I’ve got this son…oh never mind!
sodomy does prevent abortion. And, recent studies have shown that participants in Abstinance Only Education (and those girls who take the “pledge”) are more likely to engage in oral and anal sex then their peers.
(not that they’re anything wrong with that)
Yeah, MK … four of them. Can you believe it?
I once overheard my husband tell a friend, “Do you know what it’s like to live with five women, and somehow, they all manage to have PMS at the same time!!!
“”Do you know what it’s like to live with five women, and somehow, they all manage to have PMS at the same time!!!”
I would hiding in the closet.
“Choice” Is…
http://www.prolifeaction.org/home/2007/tour02x.jpg
Mike
sodomy does prevent abortion
There’s one for the books…I can see the billboards now!
…SODOMY PREVENTS ABORTION…
It does make sense in a way…
Sodomy includes all sexual acts that are not male/female vaginal sex right? Can’t get pregnant (or at least, you’re probably not going to) if sperm’s not getting into the body, right?
MK, my friend humbly asks you to remember to look at his answers for the game, when you have time. =)
“Choice” is …
A picture is worth a thousand words. All I can add is … when will the carnage and horror of abortion end?
May God have mercy and forgive us.
“All I can add is … when will the carnage and horror of abortion end?”
Only when Birth Control becomes foolproof and everyone knows how to use it. Until that day (which might happen eventually) abortion will be part of the equation.
Wait, not to be a smartass here, but he led her to the lord? I he hiding or something?
Hal,
Birth Control can cause Chemical Abortions…
http://all.org/article.php?id=10217&PHPSESSID=d6c4aac5ba558445f33333c239f77391
Mike
Hal,
Also Birth Control promotes Abortion…
http://www.hli.org/sl_2006-08-25.html
Mike
Mike:
You apparently know NOTHING about birth control if you’re going to say that it causes a chemical abortion or promotes abortion.
Since you are a male, I will forgive your lack of knowledge on this topic and educate you.
BC pills normally does not allow the ovary to release an egg. If there is no egg, there can be no implant. NO IMPLANT MEANS NO PREGNANCY. You MUST be pregnant to have an abortion in the first place.
**headdesk**
Midnite, it’s called “breakthrough ovulation”…look it up sometime. It really is true. :)
OK, both sources you posted are from a pro-life website (something I consider biased).
Also, a lot of women are on BC, so they (gasp) DONT get pregnant. Some (like myself) are on BC for medical reasons (yes there are medical reasons besided pregnancy).
Yes, Bethany, I know about that.
But what I am trying to tell this guy is that it is not supposed (and 99.99% of the time)to happen. If there is no implant, there is no pregnancy. And the last time I checked, one must be pregnant to have an abortion. Or did I miss something in Biology??
midnight678,
Life begins at conception not implantation. Second, you stated one of the ways birth control works but failed to list the other two. Here’s how hormonal birth control works per Planned Parenthood (one of the most radical Pro-Abortion Organizations there are)…
Can contraception cause an early abortion?
The pill, Norplant, Depo-Provera, emergency contraception, the IUD – all of these chemical contraceptives have three basic modes of operation:
1.They can act to suppress ovulation (the release of an egg from the ovary). However, women can and do experience breakthrough ovulation, meaning that an egg is released and available to be fertilized.
2.They can cause the cervical mucus to thicken, making it difficult for the sperm to reach the egg. It is possible, though, for the sperm to break through the mucus and to fertilize the egg.
3. They can alter the lining of the uterus making it difficult, if not impossible, for the 7-9 day old developing baby to attach to the uterine lining, where it would receive the nourishment necessary for further development. The baby would then be expelled from the body during menstruation. This process is known as a chemical abortion and is why the pill is referred to as an abortifacient.
Sources:
1999 Physicians Desk Reference
Planned Parenthood
A Consumer’s Guide to the Pill and other Drugs, by John Wilks, B. Pharm., M.P.S.
Yes, but Midnite, he didn’t say that birth control pills always cause abortions. He said they *can* cause abortions. There is a big difference there, you know?
Mike this goes back to the question all PC’s and PL’s circle around: When does conception begin. If there is not ovary released (and 99.99% of time it doesnt happen) how can there be conception or an impant? If neither of those things happen, then how exactly does an abortion occur?
OK, Bethany, I read the first one wrong.
But can you explain to me how in hades it promotes
Mike, I wish I had known this about the pill a few years ago when I took them for my cramping….it did help the cramping but there were a multitude of side effects that I hated….I did stop taking the pill, but years later I realized that they can cause abortions and I was so angry to think that the pill manufaturers and doctors are so dishonest that they don’t even let you know this important piece of information, that many pro-life women would like to know!
last part got cut off…
promotes an abortion. Isn’t that one of the first steps a woman takes in not becoming pregnant, so she doesnt have to make that choice?
Well, it’s hard to explain to you, Midnite…because i don’t think you would really understand our point of view, of how it is the whole culture of being “in control” of one’s body (in this context), that has gotten us into this abortion mess in the first place. I don’t think there’s a way to express this to you where you would believe me.
“Also Birth Control promotes Abortion…”
that’s why I said “foolproof.”
Until there is foolproof birth control, some women will always get pregnant who don’t want to be. Some of those women will always find a way to have an abortion. Not all, but some. There is no way to completely stop abortion unless no woman gets pregnant without wishing to be.
As to causing “chemical abortions,” if the fertilized egg doesn’t implant, most people, myself included, don’t see a problem with that. Certainly better than a surgical abortion several weeks later.
midnight678,
It is estimated there are between 9-14 Chemical Abortions caused each year in the U.S. by the use of birth control.
Here is how the number of chemical abortions per year is figured (start with the 2nd paragraph)…
http://www.theuniversityconcourse.com/IV,1,10-8-1998/Ziegler.htm
Mike
“so she doesnt have to make that choice?”
Midnite, look at what choice is up above.
By the way when I said 9-14 in the above post, I mean’t
9-14 MILLION!
As to causing “chemical abortions,” if the fertilized egg doesn’t implant, most people, myself included, don’t see a problem with that. Certainly better than a surgical abortion several weeks later.
Hal,
It does not matter on the size of the person. Once life begins at conception, NO LIFE SHOULD BE DESTROYED..
NO MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL HE/SHE IS!
Mike
Bethany,
I am still not grasping how BC pills cause a chemical abortion. That makes abolutely no sense to me. Not to mention, I said some women take BC for medical problems, like I do. Now then, it helps my medical problem, and helps me from not getting pregnant.
And when I refered to choice I meant: staying pregnant, adoption or abortion.
Ok, the teacher just came in, so I must go for now, but I shall return to continue this debate later….
Mike, I understand your position, I just don’t agree with it. For the “abortions” caused by birth control preventing implantation, I don’t think many Americans care. Some, like you, do. I’m sure it’s geninue and heartfelt. I just don’t see the kind of change you’re looking for coming from law or society consensus. If a better birth control comes along that doesn’t prevent implantation, but does prevent pregnancy, I’m sure everyone will be happy. Short of that, we’re stuck with what we have.
Has everyone seen the picture of the Baby Samuel Armas reach outside his mothers womb to grab the finger of the Doctor? Here it is…
21-week-old fetus in womb holds doctor’s hand during surgery (scroll half way down the page)
http://www.prolife.com/
Mike
Midnite, I can imagine that from your perspective, this point of view is pretty difficult to understand. After all, birth control pills are supposed to prevent pregnancy, not stop pregnancy that’s already there, right?
That’s how I felt when I took my birth control pills. I remember wondering why in the world anyone would be against them (when I heard that CAtholics are opposed to them). I thought it was ridiculous. I had no idea why anyone would be against something so harmless.
I thought they were out of their minds.
It took me a long time to come to where I am now. I can assure you, I am not uneducated about birth control…I know every bit as much as you do, only eventually, I took a little more time to read about it… even on their packaging it admits that it can cause chemical abortions…only problem is, it is so vague with it’s description of it, that most people would have no idea that it actually meant that it was stopping an already existing pregnancy. This is where I feel they have been extremely deceitful. If it can cause even the earliest of abortions, don’t women have the right to be informed of this, in terms they can understand? You have to carefully look at the wording.
I hope that you can understand, Midnite, we’re not undereducated weirdos who just want to make everyone’s lives miserable by taking away their sex…that’s not it at all. We simply don’t want innocent life to be destroyed after it is already created. That is all. If I had known back then what I know now about birth control pills, I never would have taken them.
Hal,
A child being cut to pieces, burned and poisoned, or crushed to death, should never be part of any equation.
I am still not grasping how BC pills cause a chemical abortion. That makes abolutely no sense to me. Not to mention, I said some women take BC for medical problems, like I do. Now then, it helps my medical problem, and helps me from not getting pregnant.
When I took mine, that is the exact reason that I took them. I had severe cramping every month, and the doctor prescribed the birth control pills so the pain would be lessened. I remember that I was really happy about that, because it meant I would get the pills for free, instead of paying 30 bucks a month for them. So I do understand where you’re coming from.
Here are some sites that explain how the pill can cause abortions:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2879/contraception.html
http://www.epm.org/pdf/bcpill_part_1.pdf
http://www.epm.org/articles/bcpill2.html
http://www.epm.org/articles/bcpill3.html
If a better birth control comes along that doesn’t prevent implantation, but does prevent pregnancy, I’m sure everyone will be happy. Short of that, we’re stuck with what we have.
Hal,
Yes its been a good discussion and I agree most people probably don’t care about chemical abortions but I believe we can do better. There is always the option of Adoption and many of all the women I know who had an abortion or believe they may have had a chemical abortion seem to have phycological problems.
You had a good question above. I am interested on your thoughts on Natural Family Planning (NFP)?
NFP seems to have many advantages over Birth Control like…
-It’s natural
-No barrier has to be used
-Not only can it be used not to have a pregnancy, it can be used towards pregnancy.
-While the divorce rate for those using birth control is around 50%, studies show those using NFP is between 0-4%. A dramatic difference.
-NFP is more effective than birth control.
-NFP when used correctly is open to God’s Plan for children.
I listed some of the positives of NFP and there are many more. Why not use NFP instead of birth control?
I will have to add I am Catholic and therefore only believe NFP should be used in certain instances.
Mike
This video actually reminded me of a video I saw a while ago of a future priest giving a speech against contraception at a Catholic University. This future priest could have been a NFL Player but choose the priesthood instead. He spoke out against contraception during his speech and was boo’d by those at a so-called “Catholic” University…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sbPSPAxBnk
Mike
Mike, I have no objection to NFP for those who want to use it. (and use it correctly). I don’t think it’s an alternative that would work in all situations. (like the more casual sex that many people seem to be having) I believe NPF requires some planning and some discipline.
Plus, not all people want to be “open to God’s Plan for children.” In fact, many use birth control precisely because they do not.
Here’s more on the story…
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/may/06052407.html
Mike
*headdesk*
So a young lady who gets pregnant while using NFP is obviously so much more virtuous than someone actually using scientific means to prevent conception.
“He spoke out against contraception during his speech and was boo’d by those at a so-called “Catholic” University…”
what a shame Mike, then again, most of these “Catholic” Universities are really not Catholic at all.
Erin,
Here’s the difference between NFP and Contraception…
Natural Family Planning is the knowledge of a couple
Contraception is wrong because it
Hal,
I would stress those who believe in casual sex to listen to this talk by Jason Evert. Click on the “Catholic High School Talk”. This speech does not really stress why casual sex is wrong through Catholic Principles but rather Jason uses secular reasons why casual sex is wrong. It’s an awesome speech.
If you don’t have time to listen to all of it, then fast forward to the 1:00 minute mark in the speech and then listen for 10 minutes.
http://www.pureloveclub.com/seminars/index.php?id=3
Mike
Sorry on my last post I mean’t fast forward to the 1 hour mark, not the 1 minute mark.
Mike
Mike, I was not advocating casual sex, but remarking that it exists. I will listen to the High School Talk, but it might take me a day or two to fit it in.
I don’t believe all casual sex is wrong (not from any personal agenda, my casual sex days are long behind me–and were pretty limited as well) Maybe Jason Evert will convince me otherwise.