New Stanek WND column, “Liberal misogynitis”
The word misogyny means “hatred of, or hostility toward, women,” and in case you haven’t noticed, liberals consider it the grooviest word to hit the planet since groovy.
Just this past week liberal bloggers used misogyny, misogynic, misogynist or misogynists 524 times, according to Google, always to denounce conservatives or liberals they accuse of behaving like conservatives.
This count doesn’t include various ways the potheads have misspelled it, including misoginy, mysogyny, missoginist, misogenist, mysogynic, misogenetic, or the French derivatives mysoginie and mysogyne, because the French love the word, too.
Liberal bloggers love misogyny because they think sticking it the middle of a sentence about “right wingnut wackjob f–ers” makes them sound smart, or at least that they have an aristocratic strain of Tourette syndrome.
Recent provocative liberal blog titles on the topic include [See listing on page 2]….
And last week, actor Matt Damon sent liberal bloggers into cut-and-paste ecstasy when invoking the work misogynist to address comparisons made betweens spies Bond and Bourne….
With one comment, Damon elevated himself from the pack of liberal Stepford stars to cultural icon. “Matt Damon called James Bond a ‘misogynist’ [and] the 14-year-old girl in me just squealed,” exclaimed blogger DollyMix….
Continue reading my column today, “Liberal misogynitis,”on WorldNetDaily.com.
Interesting blog titles on misogyny:
“Fetal misogynist pigs”
And my favorite:
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
The bottom line for the extreme left wrath in this generation is that it is gobbledygook, and that the best way for conservatives to deal with it is to laugh at it while having the upper hand.
It is not a stretch to say that those left-wing bloggers really should donate their brains to science because they are truly unique. When Fidel Castro dies, it will be a day of mourning for these bloggers because he is one of their heroes.
The James Bond that I like was the one portrayed by Roger Moore, and of course a far lefty like Matt Damon would have problems with him because he was a strong white male from Western civilization.
Damon attended Harvard, and he has been indoctrinated with all of the political correctness and rot gut liberalism from there and today’s Hollywood.
That’s sickening that she squealed with delight over something so stupid.
Heather,
Did she agree with what he said? I do, Bond was a total womanizer.
Right-wingers *and* Left-wingers are just a waste of protoplasm…
Someone misspelling a word does not make them less worthy to read. Crap, I see plenty of misspelling in right-wing whackjob blogs, too, ya know?
Actually- misogyny is the absolute correct word to describe people that think women can only be equal to men if they have surgery (abortion) and pop pills (contraception) to “correct” their “anatomical deficiencies.”
People that claim contraception and abortion are necessary women’s rights are implying that there is something inherently wrong with female anatomy and fertility. That’s that epitome of misogynistic if you ask me…
*yawn*
Seriously Jill, is this really the best you can do?
And we all know all liberals smoke pot. Give me a break, take the high road for once.
But I have to say, I agree with Jacqueline’s statement, forcing women to be like men IS quite “misogynist” and it pisses me off too. Women should not feel they need to abort in order to be “successful”. It’s ridiculous that women even want to be like men (no offense gentlemen…) because THERE ARE SOME PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SEXES! This is *not* news.
People that claim contraception and abortion are necessary women’s rights are implying that there is something inherently wrong with female anatomy and fertility. That’s that epitome of misogynistic if you ask me…
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No, Silly!
Contraception is neccessary if you want to do a lot of rompin’ while avoiding rug rat infestation. I have other things to do.
(By the way, 30% of all American-born White women and over 30% of all American-born Asian women will go through life childless by choice. We’re happiest that way.)
Laura,
You really need to start citing your sources…you tend to make blatant statements that have no basis in the truth and your rarely back them up…
Jill, Although I am pro-life, I am prettty much
“liberal” on other political issue: I’m anti-war,
anti-homophobic, anti-misogynistic, etc.
I take offense to your calling liberals “potheads.” I don’t do drugs, and I don’t like your stereotyping progressives this way. It’s insulting. I’m a mom and full-time housewife and volunteer. I’m definitely not a “pothead.”
Jacqueline, that was the point of my column (Did you read it through? It was very good.), although I like how you stated it.
Rae, I’m glad you agree with Jacqueline even as I bore you.
Teresa, have you read liberal blogs? They’re written by ignoramuses.
Oh, that’s classy, Jill. Insult people who regularly read your blog. Good way to keep us here.
Anyhow, I have ALWAYS claimed that James Bond was a mysogynist, a chauvanist, and an all around jerk. I hate his character probably more than any other character in literary or film history. Seriously. He’s a jack.
Great Column Jill, one of my favorites. Right on the mark.
btw: Matt Damon is not fit to tie Sean Connery or Roger Moore’s shoes.
“Contraception is neccessary if you want to do a lot of rompin’ while avoiding rug rat infestation. I have other things to do”
Laura, wow, you’re totally gone.
Jill,
wow, excellent column, right on.
Since when is monogamy a virtue for Democrats?
Jasper: Laura, wow, you’re totally gone.
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No, but just like your right-wing darlings like Condaleeza Rice, Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham, I prefer to remain single and childless.
I guess none of us value marriage and children the way Hillary and Nancy Pelosi do! (Pelosi has FIVE!)
Since when is monogamy a virtue for Democrats?
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Name a Republican presidential candidate other than unelectable Mitt who ISN’T divorced.
Since when is monogamy a virtue for Democrats?
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Name a Repube presidential candidate besides unelectable Mitt who isn’t divorced.
“People that claim contraception and abortion are necessary women’s rights are implying that there is something inherently wrong with female anatomy and fertility. That’s that epitome of misogynistic if you ask me…”
So then men who use condoms or who have vasectomies because they don’t want to risk impregnating a woman are implying that there is something ‘wrong’ with male anatomy and male virility? I don’t think so. There’s a big difference between saying that something is inherently flawed and suggesting that one might like to control one’s natural bodily functions.
Erin,
“Anyhow, I have ALWAYS claimed that James Bond was a mysogynist, a chauvanist, and an all around jerk. I hate his character probably more than any other character in literary or film history. Seriously. He’s a jack.”
I agree completely on this one.
Rae & Theresa-
I see your point about the pothead comment. And I also know a lot of non-liberals, economic conservatives that smoke pot. They call themselves “Libertarians.” :) (Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.)
Erin-
I also loathe James Bond. Apparently exploding things and having sex with women that want to kill you (and a few that don’t) is the male fantasy. I don’t get it.
Laura-
Children are not an ‘infestation’ simply because you don’t desire them. Your choice to chemically sabotage your reproductive system in order to avoid them (and possibly self-mutilation through sterilization or abortion) to maintain your chosen lifestyle is regrettable- simply because you are choosing a lifestyle that you feel forces you to be unhealthy (pumping yourself full of hormones to make your healthy reproductive system malfunction is very unhealthy).
I much prefer my rompin’ in a married, faithful context, rather than in empty conquests that result in fruitless heartache and a host of sexually transmitted diseases. I’ll take commitment and fidelity over side-effects of pills contraceptives and once daily Valtrex.
All of these women who hate what God intended for our bodies to do. *sigh* just have a sex change operation, and be done with it.
All of these women who hate what God intended for our bodies to do. *sigh* just have a sex change operation, and be done with it.
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Funny. Bodies also seem to be capable of study and earning a living. That must be what your god intended.
So then men who use condoms or who have vasectomies because they don’t want to risk impregnating a woman are implying that there is something ‘wrong’ with male anatomy and male virility? I don’t think so. There’s a big difference between saying that something is inherently flawed and suggesting that one might like to control one’s natural bodily functions.
Anonymous,
I’ll address that issue directly but let’s return to the original point. We’re discussing misogyny. No one suggests that men can’t be successful or have civil rights if they are denied access to condoms and sterilization, but the mantra of the pro-choicers are that women can’t be successful without access to pills that compromise our healthy reproductive capacity and surgery to kill any children that might be growing within us. What they are saying, then, is that female anatomy is a liability that subjugates us to men- that our inherent femininity is holding us back. Our anatomy that gives us the ability to conceive and birth children is OPPRESSING us, so we either better butcher those fallopian tubes or take a pill to shut down our ovaries because there’s no way that a woman can be a success while those body parts are present and functioning. So, to them, it’s female anatomy that is holding back our equality with men. So what makes us different supposably makes us inferior- so we are expected to change that. I say NO.
My viewpoint is that women are different than men, and since we comprise over 50% of all humanity, society should accommodate those differences rather than expect us to become “like men” in order to have the same rights and opportunities. Notice that ALL chemical/hormonal contraceptives are designed to sabotage women’s complex reproductive system: shut down the ovaries, change the lining of the uterus, change cervical mucus and yet no pill or shot has been designed to kill men’s little tadpoles. That’s all men contribute to reproduction, yet the male body remains healthy and unhindered by chemicals and hormones- while an entire industry exists so female bodies can sabotage several organs, an entire system- because, of course, we females are the ones that need to change, right? And how is this viewpoint not anti-woman?
Now back to your question, although off-topic (I hesitate to answer because this is off-topic and I don’t want to indulge in a debate about my personal viewpoints on health, but here goes anyway): Using a condom or using a diaphragm is not the same as sabotaging or mutilating a healthy reproductive system to make it dysfunctional or unhealthy. Using a spermicide doesn’t negatively change the body to accommodate a behavior. Men who have vasectomies are essentially self-mutilating, all motives aside, changing their physical bodies to accommodate a behavior. This is reprehensible to me.
I equate the whole device (diaphragm/spermicide) vs. health sabotage (shot, pill) to gastric bypass surgery vs. a lap band. In both cases, there is nothing wrong with the person’s physical stomach that needs to change. It’s the person’s behavior. So in gastric bypass surgery, people mutilate their healthy stomach, sabotage it, and require vitamins for the rest of their lives. The do this because the benefits of losing weight outweigh the costs of self-mutilation. On the other hand, the lap band is a device that doesn’t permanently change the healthy stomach, but restricts the person from overfilling it, causing them to lose weight and be healthier. So one is mutilation, the other is a mechanical device (like a condom). But once again, this is my PERSONAL viewpoint on this issue, and I also personally oppose all contraception. My point was that chemical contraceptives highlight cultural misogyny whereas devices do not.
Laura, lame and cheesy as always. Pro aborts are just lazy!
Funny. Bodies also seem to be capable of study and earning a living. That must be what your god intended.
Indeed! My body does- and it does it without being pumped full of chemicals to make it unhealthy. Do you suggest that I can’t study and earn a living without contraceptives, because I have a amazing career and 2 (soon to be 3) degrees. I did that all without pills, patches, shots, rings, ad nauseum.
Perhaps like my off-topic exposition on gastric bypass vs. lapband, the problem isn’t your body, it’s your behavior. Because I can study and earn a living just fine, perhaps because I am more conscientious about my rompin’ and it’s consequences. If you were, perhaps you wouldn’t have a dependency on those “magic pills.”
Laura doesn’t care if a man uses her for her body. Your God wants you to exercise some self respect!
Jacqueline… first two paragraphs… spectacular. Jill loves Jac.
On the topic of potheads…….”Gary” admitted to being a pothead with pride. LOL! I think we all know who “Gary” doubles as.
Slightly off-topic from Jill’s article, but relevant to discussing side-effects of “health sabotage.” I read recently that an unusual form of dementia may be caused by vasectomies:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070212183237.htm
Not saying it is so, just that it is being studied….
I don’t find the word “misogyny” particularly groovy, to be honest. I actually wish it didn’t exist. But who likes misogyny?
I do like how it’s spelled, though.
Cheers to hating James Bond!
so we either better butcher those fallopian tubes or take a pill to shut down our ovaries because there’s no way that a woman can be a success while those body parts are present and functioning.
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What the HELL are you talking about?
I don’t use conraception to be a success, I use contraception BECAUSE I DON’T WANT ANY CHILDREN. (I had a tubal when I was 23. No complications. no muss. No fuss…)
ditto to Jill’s comment about Jacs comment. True.
And Laura, one more thing-
How misogynistic is it to assume that studying/earning a living and motherhood are mutually exclusive? They’re not. Look up the members of Feminists for Life and see their careers and educational achievements despite having babies in college and in the workplace (two places where babies are not very welcome). I also invite you to talk to my female colleagues in my doctoral program that have children and still managed to study and earn a living quite well.
But thank you, thank you for proving my point: Apparently, you think that you can’t study or earn a living and carry a child. So you feel women must become like a man, unable to carry a child, in order to ascend in society, rather than accepting that women can and do have babies, and making reasonable accomodations to that end (like family housing on college campuses for single mothers, corporate daycare, etc.)
I disagree. Women deserve the same opportunities and rights that men have, and we DON’T have to change our anatomy to do it. But it’s a shame that women such as yourself set back our cause by ascribing to such patriarchal BS.
But thank you, thank you for proving my point: Apparently, you think that you can’t study or earn a living and carry a child.
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No, I said that I don’t want any children.
Do I think Condaleeza Rice, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham or any other of the right-wing Republican darlings are incapable of getting an education or pursuing a career while carrying a pregnancy? No. They just don’t want kids any more than I do!
Laura, if you have had a tubal, then why are you here advocating abortion? Just get on with your life, and be done with it! How were you able to obtain a tubal ligation @ age 23? I wish Less were here. She claimed it could not be done. I told her it could be. I’ll have to disagree with pro lifers on this one. I’d rather see someone sterilized, than to keep repeating baby killing.
I disagree. Women deserve the same opportunities and rights that men have, and we DON’T have to change our anatomy to do it.
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One more time.
If I were a stay-at-home housewife I would still be childless. I didn’t have my tubes tied to achieve academic or professional success, I had my tubes tied because I DON’T WANT ANY CHILDREN!
(Gee, Nancy Pelosi has five children. I realize that you can have an education and a career AND children IF YOU WANT TO. I DON’T WANT TO.)
Erin, 10:45a, said: “Oh, that’s classy, Jill. Insult people who regularly read your blog. Good way to keep us here.”
Erin, the liberal potheads to whom I was referring in my column today would not frequent my site. If they tried, they wouldn’t last five minutes. That is a tribute to the caliber of both your people and my people who comment on this blog.
*bow*
Jacqueline,
Who are you and how do we make you stay forever?
*standing ovation*
Laura,
do you like children?
Laura, if you have had a tubal, then why are you here advocating abortion? Just get on with your life, and be done with it! How were you able to obtain a tubal ligation @ age 23? I wish Less were here. She claimed it could not be done. I told her it could be. I’ll have to disagree with pro lifers on this one. I’d rather see someone sterilized, than to keep repeating baby killing.
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When I did it in ’85-’86 I had to get a court-ordered waiver and a psych evaluation to get it performed. It’s even more difficult now unless you’re over 30 and have 3 or more children. By the time all was said and done, it would have been cheaper and less time-consuming to have 10 abortions.
Why are you here advocating pro-life? Why don’t you just keep cranking out babies and be done with it?
Laura,
Why are you here advocating pro-life? Why don’t you just keep cranking out babies and be done with it?
Ummmm…because this is a Pro-Life site?
I’m here because I find it disgusting that aborted babies are left on shelves to die. I don’t want to see women make mistakes. Why don’t you advocate tubal ligations? What have you got against children?
Misogyny breakout
I must spotlight reader Jacqueline’s comment from the post on my WND column today, “Liberal misogynitis.” Now, this is the voice of an authentic feminist, exposing how modern day thiefs of a Godly concept have unfathomably led women to be…
Laura,
do you like children?
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I have the two finest, most auntie-spoiled nephews destroying my house as we speak. I am the godmother of five others (one related, four are friends’ children) When my boss’s husband was shot, she left her eight-week-old with me for almost six days. I adore children and spoil them rotten in small, measured doses. Then I hit the end of my tolerance tether. Patience is not my strong suit, and I don’t want to discipline. (By the time I send children back to their parents they are HIDEOUS. The parents get and endless stream of “Aunt Laura lets us…”)
You know Laura,
When you, Texas and Sally first attempted to hijack this site I was a little miffed. I’ll admit your language and demeanor shocked me and got my blood boiling…
Then I decided to try to ignore your nastiness and focus on your comments (no easy task since 90% of what you type is smarmy comebacks and infantile insults)…
But now, as I’m reading your posts, I just find them entertaining. Like watching freaks at a circus. So completely unnatural that they are riveting. You know, like how you just have to look at a bad car accident? Except, whereas car accidents are tragic, and staring at people less fortunate than you is truly in poor taste (entertainment at someone’s expense), you afford me the opportunity to ogle and gawk because your unseemly behavior is all your own CHOICE…
Keep it up. I love a good laugh. Tell me tho, what’s it like driving a truck for a living? And what do you do for all those frown wrinkles? I’ve heard herbal tea is good for soothing frayed nerves….
just sayin…
Laura, are you sure you’ve never had an abortion? Most people who haven’t had abortions could usually care less about pro lifers and their position.
MK, LOL!!!
Keep it up. I love a good laugh. Tell me tho, what’s it like driving a truck for a living? And what do you do for all those frown wrinkles? I’ve heard herbal tea is good for soothing frayed nerves….
just sayin…
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I manage a 24-hour large/small animal veterinary practice. Do YOU drive a truck? I understand that it can be pretty entertaining. Tell us your stories
You know Laura,
When you, Texas and Sally first attempted to hijack this site I was a little miffed. I’ll admit your language and demeanor shocked me and got my blood boiling…
Then I decided to try to ignore your nastiness and focus on your comments (no easy task since 90% of what you type is smarmy comebacks and infantile insults)…
But now, as I’m reading your posts, I just find them entertaining. Like watching freaks at a circus. So completely unnatural that they are riveting. You know, like how you just have to look at a bad car accident? Except, whereas car accidents are tragic, and staring at people less fortunate than you is truly in poor taste (entertainment at someone’s expense), you afford me the opportunity to ogle and gawk because your unseemly behavior is all your own CHOICE…
Keep it up. I love a good laugh. Tell me tho, what’s it like driving a truck for a living? And what do you do for all those frown wrinkles? I’ve heard herbal tea is good for soothing frayed nerves….
just sayin…
MK, I pictured a truck driver too!!
Laura,
So it seems you may have a soft spot for children. btw, children can push most parents patience from time to time, this is normal, but there are many enjoyable moments as well. Life doesn’t always run like a smooth sailing ship. Come over to pro-life side.
Laura,
How is it possible to be a God mother when you hate God?
Well Heather,
With a mouth like that what else would come to mind?
ell Heather,
With a mouth like that what else would come to mind?
Posted by: mk at August 22, 2007 2:08 PM
Mouth like what? Did I miss some profanity in a post of Laura’s? Or do you simply find insult in any opinion differing from your own?
You know Laura,
When you, Texas and Sally first attempted to hijack this site I was a little miffed. I’ll admit your language and demeanor shocked me and got my blood boiling…
Then I decided to try to ignore your nastiness and focus on your comments (no easy task since 90% of what you type is smarmy comebacks and infantile insults)…
But now, as I’m reading your posts, I just find them entertaining. Like watching freaks at a circus. So completely unnatural that they are riveting. You know, like how you just have to look at a bad car accident? Except, whereas car accidents are tragic, and staring at people less fortunate than you is truly in poor taste (entertainment at someone’s expense), you afford me the opportunity to ogle and gawk because your unseemly behavior is all your own CHOICE…
Keep it up. I love a good laugh. Tell me tho, what’s it like driving a truck for a living? And what do you do for all those frown wrinkles? I’ve heard herbal tea is good for soothing frayed nerves….
just sayin…
Posted by: mk at August 22, 2007 1:43 PM
Hijack? My my my. Are you always so melodramatic? Does Laura have a CDL? And yes. You do give the impression of an ogler and gawker. Funny how you resort to attempted insults when addressing supposed insults. Rather hypocritical of you.
Well Heather,
With a mouth like that what else would come to mind?
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Excuse me?
When Jill asked me not to use the words “cr***h” and “a**” I quit using them. Considering you can hear those words all day on racy channels like Animal Planet, I guess that was pretty coarse on my part.
A drunken sailor!
MK: How is it possible to be a God mother when you hate God?
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How can an atheist hate a god?
Why Sally,
Whatever do you mean? I haven’t insulted you. I have commented on your behavior and language which speak for themselves, and come from you
Believe me, nobody here needs to insult you to show what kind of a person you are. You are doing that all by your little self.
Sally, LOL! I must ask you a question. Were you serious when you said that Paris Hilton was jealous of you, or was that a joke?
Heather: A drunken sailor!
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Don’t drag your baby-daddy into this.
Sally,
Pssst…I already used the “attempt at insult” line and it’s just not as funny the second time around…
Nice try. My baby daddy don’t dwink!
Laura,
How can an atheist hate a god?
How can an atheist be a “God” mother…unless you worship the child you are a parent to?
“If there was no God, there would be not atheists” GK Chesterton
Delusions,delusions!
Laura, thanks for respecting my request on the language.
Why Sally,
Whatever do you mean? I haven’t insulted you. I have commented on your behavior and language which speak for themselves, and come from you
Believe me, nobody here needs to insult you to show what kind of a person you are. You are doing that all by your little self.
Posted by: mk at August 22, 2007 5:49 PM
And what was that mindless tripe other than an attempt at insult? Honey you don’t know me. You have no witness to my behavior. You certainly could not give any honest testimony to what kind of person I am to anyone. You are just pissed that I don’t buy into your line of tripe on this forum. Have another mini hissy fit. It speaks voluumes to your lack of character and integrity. : )
Sally, LOL! I must ask you a question. Were you serious when you said that Paris Hilton was jealous of you, or was that a joke?
Posted by: Heather at August 22, 2007 5:49 PM
I can’t say for sure so it was a joke. She certainly looked like she would have liked being part of the fun when my daughter’s wedding party trooped past her in Vegas wearing baloon ‘hats’. She looked lonely and I regret not asking her to join us. Other than that, I look fab at 50 and have a very positive attitude that other’s react to. Have I addressed your question? I’m not sure about what you are asking.
Sally, LOL! I must ask you a question. Were you serious when you said that Paris Hilton was jealous of you, or was that a joke?
Posted by: Heather at August 22, 2007 5:49 PM
I can’t say for sure so it was a joke. She certainly looked like she would have liked being part of the fun when my daughter’s wedding party trooped past her in Vegas wearing baloon ‘hats’. She looked lonely and I regret not asking her to join us. Other than that, I look fab at 50 and have a very positive attitude that other’s react to. Have I addressed your question? I’m not sure about what you are asking.
Sally, LOL! I must ask you a question. Were you serious when you said that Paris Hilton was jealous of you, or was that a joke?
Posted by: Heather at August 22, 2007 5:49 PM
I can’t say for sure so it was a joke. She certainly looked like she would have liked being part of the fun when my daughter’s wedding party trooped past her in Vegas wearing baloon ‘hats’. She looked lonely and I regret not asking her to join us. Other than that, I look fab at 50 and have a very positive attitude that other’s react to. Have I addressed your question? I’m not sure about what you are asking.
Sally,
It was an attempt to make you realize that there is NO NEED for sarcasm, and rudeness, and insults here.
We are honestly open to opposing views, we welcome people from the pro-choice side. I don’t think you see that yet, and everyone is just tire of every post that you, Laura or Texas make, being bitter and insulting.
There is simply no need. You can just post your views and we’ll read them. We want to read them…but it’s so hard to wade through all the insults, and by the time you do your head is spinning and you can’t think straight. We want a debate. We love debate. But debate is different than sucker punching.
Can’t you see that? Don’t you want to have honest discourse? Isn’t that why you are here? We don’t hate pro choicers. We hate abortion. And we know how to separate the two. But you seem to hate pro-lifers, on principle. Give us chance, and you’ll see. We get heated sometimes, sure, but we rarely, rarely, rarely, hit below the belt or call each other out right names…
Because there just isn’t any need to…
Kay?
Okay, I was just curious. I just haven’t seen your positive attitude yet.
Honey you don’t know me. You have no witness to my behavior.
I don’t know if you realize this, but posting on an internet forum, that is behavior. Something you do. The way you conduct yourself.
Your behavior on this site has been to lie, to insult, and to be rude. We have been able to witness this, and it’s obvious to everyone but you apparently.
You have established that you are a liar when you posted that you would “never put carbs in your mouth”, then I saw your picture which proved otherwise, with hamburger and fries on your plate.
You showcase your behavior as a mean-spirited individual by never having anything nice to say, never even attempting to debate properly, only having insults to share. Then you expect others to treat YOU with respect. LOL It’s kind of funny if you think about it.
If you’d like to show people that you have good behavior… well, behave!
There is nothing misogynistic about the liberal position that a woman should be able to control the natural functions of her body.
On the contrary, it is the “pro-life” side (more aptly called anti-abortion advocates) who are misogynistic. How is it not misogynistic to tell a woman that, once she has sex, she has agreed to surrender her body for nine months? How is it not misogynistic to tell a woman that even though she has no interest in sharing her body with this “invader” that the “invader” deserves more consideration than her and thus is entitled to reside inside her body against her wishes? If nothing else, this statement implies that a woman is worth far less than a man and that her life is worthless compared to that of the potential life that resides inside her.
Enigma, we happen to think that women deserve better than abortion!
Women should be able to control the natural functions of her body…………..Yes. That’s true. It’s called keeping your clothes on, if you don’t want to make children!
Sally,
It was an attempt to make you realize that there is NO NEED for sarcasm, and rudeness, and insults here.
We are honestly open to opposing views, we welcome people from the pro-choice side. I don’t think you see that yet, and everyone is just tire of every post that you, Laura or Texas make, being bitter and insulting.
There is simply no need. You can just post your views and we’ll read them. We want to read them…but it’s so hard to wade through all the insults, and by the time you do your head is spinning and you can’t think straight. We want a debate. We love debate. But debate is different than sucker punching.
Can’t you see that? Don’t you want to have honest discourse? Isn’t that why you are here? We don’t hate pro choicers. We hate abortion. And we know how to separate the two. But you seem to hate pro-lifers, on principle. Give us chance, and you’ll see. We get heated sometimes, sure, but we rarely, rarely, rarely, hit below the belt or call each other out right names…
Because there just isn’t any need to…
Kay?
Posted by: mk at August 22, 2007 6:52 PM
MK
Your stance on abortion is rude and insulting in and of itself. Your sarcatistic little remarks to those that oppose your beliefs are rude and insulting. You folks invented bad manners. Do not attempt to police mine.
You want pleasant discourse? Be pleasant.
Kay?
Well, just a little note on the contraception/birth control stuff…
I recently had a physical and I told my doctor that I had quit taking my BC two months ago and I hadn’t had a visit from the Curse in those two months. I don’t have sex, so I am definitely *not* pregnant, but I maybe have the Curse once a year, twice tops for 3 weeks at a time.
My doctor was very concerned, because apparently not getting the Curse means you aren’t getting enough calcium you need to prevent osteoporosis.
SO that being said, I either had abnormally low estrogen levels or I have a pituitary or thyroid problem. IF this is not the case, then I have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. So I had blood drawn and all my thyroid and estrogen levels came back normal, so I have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.
Because I never get the Curse, I have to be “forced” to have it…6 a year at least, so for 6 months out of 12 I am required to take the Pill, less I get osteoporosis at like 35.
Soooooooo. The upside to Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome is that I am very unlikely to get pregnant, which is good for me as I never wanted to have my own kids (my genes will not be passed on!!!) as infertility is a symptom of Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.
The downside is that I have a higher risk for high blood pressure, endometrial cancer, obesity and diabetes (as one of the symptoms of PCOS is insulin resistance, which *could* explain for my weight gain and inability to *lose* weight).
So…just thought I’d share. ^_^
We invented bad manners? LOL!
Okay, I was just curious. I just haven’t seen your positive attitude yet.
Posted by: Heather at August 22, 2007 6:52 PM
What type of attitude to find to be positive?
Sally,
Your stance on abortion is rude and insulting in and of itself. Your sarcatistic little remarks to those that oppose your beliefs are rude and insulting. You folks invented bad manners. Do not attempt to police mine.
You want pleasant discourse? Be pleasant.
This is what I was trying to point out. You hate us on principal. You’ve lumped us all together with every other pro-lifer you’ve ever met and had a bad experience with and come here with fists swinging. We are all individuals. Just like the people on the pro-choice side. We don’t lump all pro-choicers into one mold. But you sure don’t make it easy. Midnite, Rae, Alyssa, Doug, JKeller, Amanda, Leah, Danny, etc. are all pro choicers and we have gotten to know each one of them individually and we have grown to like them all. Some of them we actually love. Ask them. Don’t take my word for it.
But if you assume that just because we are pro-life then we must be awful, and come here ready for a fight, then how do you expect us to react. In essence you have entered Jill’s home and right now you have your feet on the furniture. When I enter someones home, I usually show respect first…not wait for the hostess to do so.
And I have asked before, and am asking now, who is insulting you? Who is attacking you? I will speak to them, and if you will just try to be a little more civil, I’m sure we can all work this out…together.
Kay, again?
Someone who can be a little polite. Just don’t play the innocent victim after provoking someone. Then you’re asking for it.
MK, you just said it best!
@ Rae, I missed your post. Sorry bout that! Hope you’re okay!!
Rae,
Many medicines have side effects. Heck, my son is on Depakote…don’t I know side effects.
But, you weigh the side effects against the outcome of no medication, and you often decide that the treatment is worth the risk.
But healthy women are not sick. They are not taking birth control to “treat” something. They are messing with healthy bodies to prevent something that can easily be prevented with other means.
If your doctor told you you had the choice of eating a banana a day, or taking the pill and both options would cure/control your polycystic ovarian whosiwhatsy, which would you choose?
I’d take the pill, as I don’t eat bananas because fruit makes me gag. :)
Though I would take any other option if there were any, because the Pill is going to get *pricy* once I’m off my dad’s health insurance. That’s more or less why I quit taking it in the first place…I didn’t want to be so dependent on medications so I wouldn’t have to take them when the time comes that I can’t afford my meds due to no insurance. I didn’t quit taking them for health reasons or concerns, I quit taking them for financial reasons (that and I preferred not having the curse every month…).
@Heather: Thanks, but I’ll be fine. It *sounds* a lot worse than it really is. :)
okay /*smiles*
Rae,
Okay smarty pants…how bout if the doc said you could eat an Olea europaea or take the pill, which would you do! Brat!
Rae, sorry to hear about that. I don’t of pcos, but I do have polycystic ovaries and that is NO fun!
@MK: In a heartbeat. I prefer olives to pills, they are much cheaper and tastier. :D
@Lauren: I’m sorry to hear that. Silly reproductive organs, nothing but trouble they are!
Rae,
@MK: In a heartbeat. I prefer olives to pills, they are much cheaper and tastier. :D
Well there you go. The pill is a “medicine”, and not something to be taken lightly. It’s serious stuff and we may not know for 20 years or so, what long term damage it does to a woman’s body…
Anyhow, I have ALWAYS claimed that James Bond was a mysogynist, a chauvanist, and an all around jerk. I hate his character probably more than any other character in literary or film history. Seriously. He’s a jack.
Erin, I take it then that you are not the greatest John Wayne fan in the world?
I think I know some of what you mean – but I’d also add that the guy just really didn’t know how to mix a proper martini.
Okay, back to work on my Keenan Wynn retrospective.
Best,
Doug
Apparently exploding things and having sex with women that want to kill you (and a few that don’t) is the male fantasy. I don’t get it.
Jacqueline, this is a great source of amusement for my wife and I. Much of her life was growing up in Georgia, and she can do a hilarious “good ol’ boy” impression – “That blowed up REAL good!”
Doug
(I do like a good car chase, though, heh heh heh…..)
A drunken sailor!
Heather,
Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
Doug
Sally,
Your stance on abortion is rude and insulting in and of itself. Your sarcatistic little remarks to those that oppose your beliefs are rude and insulting. You folks invented bad manners. Do not attempt to police mine.
You want pleasant discourse? Be pleasant.
This is what I was trying to point out. You hate us on principal. You’ve lumped us all together with every other pro-lifer you’ve ever met and had a bad experience with and come here with fists swinging. We are all individuals. Just like the people on the pro-choice side. We don’t lump all pro-choicers into one mold. But you sure don’t make it easy. Midnite, Rae, Alyssa, Doug, JKeller, Amanda, Leah, Danny, etc. are all pro choicers and we have gotten to know each one of them individually and we have grown to like them all. Some of them we actually love. Ask them. Don’t take my word for it.
But if you assume that just because we are pro-life then we must be awful, and come here ready for a fight, then how do you expect us to react. In essence you have entered Jill’s home and right now you have your feet on the furniture. When I enter someones home, I usually show respect first…not wait for the hostess to do so.
And I have asked before, and am asking now, who is insulting you? Who is attacking you? I will speak to them, and if you will just try to be a little more civil, I’m sure we can all work this out…together.
Kay, again?
Posted by: mk at August 22, 2007 7:38 PM
Fair is fair mk. If you can give up snide comments I can loose my sarcastic comments. If you wish for civility it starts with you but isn’t policed by you. No one died and left you to be god.
Of course I can give up snide comments. I’m begging you to let me give up snide comments. And I’m not the police but I am a moderator of this site and actually it is my job to keep the peace. But I’d do it anyway.
Sarcasm is not a problem, if there is no direct name calling. At least for me. I mean we’re only human and sometimes sarcasm just feels so darn good. But not mean, you know?
If you want I can give you a rundown on everyone on this site. Or most anyway. We’re split pretty evenly. And most of us get along most of the time. There are occasional brawls, but even those work themselves out.
Should we start again?
Hi, my name is Mary Kay. I’m 49 years old, mother of 6, love camping, reading, gardening and animals. I have 5 sons 27, 26, 21, 17, and 7 and one daughter, 10.
I was adopted at 3 weeks old, searched and found my birth family.
Converted (or reverted) to Catholicism when I was 33. Up til then I followed the wiccan religion. I did every drug available back then, (often), abused alcohol, was fairly free with my body, experimented in all sorts of sexual expression, and was pretty all around wild.
I still smoke. (hangs head) and I love fatty, greasy nasty food… (hangs head lower). If not for the fact that I just had knee surgery and now go to therapy, I could have said that I’ve never exercised a day in my life. (hangs head so low she trips over it)…
Lifts head.
It’s nice to meet you and let me welcome you to our “family”…
It will be nice to share ideas with a woman closer to my age. These young girls are wonderful, but they do tend to make me feel like I should be wearing a shawl and putting my teeth in a glass.
I hope that eventually, we can be friends. Or at least not bitter enemies.
Peace. Tomorrow is a new day…let’s take it one at a time…
Kay? (for the third time…)
Hey now MK, shaws don’t make one old do they? DO THEY? Hides crochet hooks.
Of course I can give up snide comments. I’m begging you to let me give up snide comments. And I’m not the police but I am a moderator of this site and actually it is my job to keep the peace. But I’d do it anyway.
Sarcasm is not a problem, if there is no direct name calling. At least for me. I mean we’re only human and sometimes sarcasm just feels so darn good. But not mean, you know?
If you want I can give you a rundown on everyone on this site. Or most anyway. We’re split pretty evenly. And most of us get along most of the time. There are occasional brawls, but even those work themselves out.
Should we start again?
Hi, my name is Mary Kay. I’m 49 years old, mother of 6, love camping, reading, gardening and animals. I have 5 sons 27, 26, 21, 17, and 7 and one daughter, 10.
I was adopted at 3 weeks old, searched and found my birth family.
Converted (or reverted) to Catholicism when I was 33. Up til then I followed the wiccan religion. I did every drug available back then, (often), abused alcohol, was fairly free with my body, experimented in all sorts of sexual expression, and was pretty all around wild.
I still smoke. (hangs head) and I love fatty, greasy nasty food… (hangs head lower). If not for the fact that I just had knee surgery and now go to therapy, I could have said that I’ve never exercised a day in my life. (hangs head so low she trips over it)…
Lifts head.
It’s nice to meet you and let me welcome you to our “family”…
It will be nice to share ideas with a woman closer to my age. These young girls are wonderful, but they do tend to make me feel like I should be wearing a shawl and putting my teeth in a glass.
I hope that eventually, we can be friends. Or at least not bitter enemies.
Peace. Tomorrow is a new day…let’s take it one at a time…
Kay? (for the third time…)
Posted by: mk at August 22, 2007 9:20 PM
Hey you! I like you. My name is not Sally but that was the name that my father chose for me. I’m 50 and have two children. Daughter is 30 and son is 27. I enjoy gardening to the extent of sustainable ag concepts and I spend way too much time doing genealogy research.
My mother’s side of the family are Mennonites. Not a Catholic in the family since the Reformation. I find religion useless for myself.
I smoke. Reminds me of dad and grandpa. I do yoga and weight training. Not enough these days. I have a spinal cord injury that causes me a great deal of bother.
Did a few drugs way back when and have a few funny stories but have a hard time taking an aspirin. I am nutrition orientated and would starve rather than eat funky food. But fried jalepeno poppers do find there way to my mouth on occasion.
I’m totally PC and would have liked to have 6 children. I’m totally sick at being a mom. (Ask your children what sick means. I think it used to be the bomb.)
How on earth did you find your birth parents? And what did you find?
You don’t have to answer of course
Jill,
Do you think there are no pro-life liberal people out there?
If no, then why are you intentionally alienating them?
If yes, then how did you discern that? You clearly cannot know every single person in the world who has left-of-center beliefs. Are you playing God?
Sally,
Jill posts things quite quickly some days, so if this gets close to being dropped I’ll move it to another post…but for now…
My name is not Sally but that was the name that my father chose for me.
That sounds like the Irish. We are always naming our kids after relatives whether we like the name or not (We’ve got score of Danny’s, Tommy’s and Michaels)…and then “calling” them a name we actually like.
Her name was Beatrice Margaret Dierdre Eileen Frances Kathleen O’hare…but we called her “Nancy”…
So what is your given name. Sally is often short for Sarah.
It’s funny that you are interested in genealogy because I had to do a lot of “ancestry.com” when looking for my birth family. It took me 3 years of searching. I finally stumbled across my fathers obituary. (He had just died, three weeks before my birthday) Went back to the 1958 Chicago phone book, searched the adoption notices at the law library, found out my birth name (Frances, if you can believe it) last name Emmerich, and researched every Emmerich that ever came to America. I probably know more about that family than any of them do.
It was tricky, because my birth brother is incarcerated, my sister is married and has a diff. last name, my birth mother was married four times and her second husband adopted my sibs so their last name changed also…crazy. I’m very close with the sister. She’s a sweetheart. My birthmom has been diagnosed with a plethora of mental illnesses but denies having any, and the bro is doing time for having a fondness for young boys.
They all live in the Minnesota area.
So your mom was a Mennonite? Really fascinating.
I went to a Mennonite “museum” in Indiana last year. It was waaaay interesting. I love the Amish. If I wasn’t Catholic, I’d seriously consider that lifestyle. Have a hard time with the Anabaptist part tho. Really like baptizing ’em when they’re babies. But I love the pacifist part. (Don’t get me wrong, I understand that sometimes you have to fight, but ALWAYS as a last resort…look at us! There is almost always another way, no matter how hopeless it seems).
I know what you mean about wanting a large family. I would have had twelve if that’s how it had worked out. Dinnertime is always interesting! And basically, there is always a crisis so it’s never dull. With 5 sons it got a little overwhelming at times. For awhile I rebelled by painting everything pink, but then I capitualted and went with “sturdy” and “brown”…poor daughter wore pink everyday of her life for 4 years…but now that the older ones are away at school or married, I’m slowly painting things pink again! I still wear men’s clothes. My sister in-law finally talked me out of wearing denim this summer. Oh God forgive, I think I’ve joined the Khaki crowd!
You garden? Veggies or flowers?
Were you the vet or was that Laura?
I have some dog questions. How long do you think it will take to make friends with Laura? LOL
Time to read the “rest of the story” and catch up on the posts…I’m glad to finally get to know the real you. You seem awesome. Tell me more about your son and daughter…
A long overdue welcome to the blog, Sally! :)
Have I mentioned that you are beautiful, and your son and daughter are beautiful too, from the pictures I saw?
It is nice to “meet” you, finally~ :)
I want to introduce myself too. I am 26 years old, and have three children, who are 7, 5, and 2. They keep me busy! I home school them during the day,
and try my best to keep this house clean, although it does seem that it is messed up right behind me much of the time. I spend a lot of free time painting murals around my house, and drawing portraits for people. You can see some of those at my website if you click on my name.
I am kind of ADHD-like, very scatterbrained, going from one thing to another all the time. I can go into the kitchen, turn the water on to fill the coffeepot, hear one of the kids in the other room, leave the water running, and an hour later, I’ll come back in the kitchen to find the water still running. Yes, I am that scatterbrained!
I love jalepeno poppers, they are absolutely delicious! I don’t think it’ll hurt you to have a few every now and then. ;)
I’m sorry about your spinal cord injury. I know that must be so painful.
How big is your garden? I have always enjoyed eating foods straight from gardens. Especially tomatoes…they are my favorite. I can’t stand the store bought tomatoes— they just don’t compare!
Welcome Sally!!!!! Thank you for opening up! Good morning Bethany!
Good morning, Heather!
About to have my morning cup of coffee!
I’m drinking mine now.*yawn*
Okay,
Jill’s adding new posts so I’m going to transfer the last few here to a newer one…
Rae-
You and I have similar stories- and I think we should talk more. You have options. I have endometriosis and was told I didn’t have options but the pill, but I gave them the finger. :)
One of the reasons why I hate chemical contraception so much is because it’s hard to diagnose normal and abnormal female reproductive health when we introduce all these abnormal chemicals and hormones. A period is kind of a thermometer that tells when about their cycle, if they’re pregnant, etc. If we don’t get the period, it’s a sign something may be wrong- like a being underweight, having a calcium deficiency, endometriosis or PCOS. Sadly, gynos don’t actually “treat” women like us with real medical conditions, but give us a pill that jacks with our system because the “side effects” provide relief for our conditions. What a cop-out! We don’t get research or medication for the actual problem, we are told that we have to be a slave to a daily pill (basically a chemical dependency) or suffer the wrath of our ailments.
There are doctors that actually treat these diseases rather than give you a analgesic that makes you feel better but doesn’t address the issue. If you’re interested, I’d love to help you find one. I hope you’ll email me: jacquefromtexas@yahoo.com
Doug-
I guess I’m a hipocrite. I grew up in the country, and setting things on fire was the greatest amusement we had!
@Rae August 22/7:16,
I think perhaps you may investigate the mineral: boron further. Maybe a site like http://www.lef.org will inform you better. I have all sorts of problems with (orthodox drug-pushers), also called: MD’s these days … especially when any hormone treatment to young women are prescribed as #1 treatment … just doesn’t know, I guess.
I guess I’m a hipocrite. I grew up in the country, and setting things on fire was the greatest amusement we had!
Jacqueline, I hear every bit of that! To this day I live at the end of a road, literally the “last house on the left.” There is only one other place on the road, and it’s out of sight. There is a horseshoe-shaped valley, and I’m about 2/3 of the way up it, can look back down at nothing but nature.
There have been many big fires….. In 1996 I had one of my brothers down with a buddy of mine from clear back in the 2nd grade – a big party while we tried to burn down a very large elm tree. It’s hard to burn down a green tree….
Doug