Denver Planned Parenthood: sky zero
If the Aurora Planned Parenthood site in the IL prairielands is ground zero, then the Denver Planned Parenthood site in the Mile High City is sky zero.
Last month, with a reporter in hot pursuit, Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains was forced to come clean about its secret purchase of a city block of property and plans to break ground on a 50,000 square foot abortion mill this November
PP has admitted to several news outlets it went stealth with plans to build in Denver, Aurora, and Portland, OR, to avoid such pro-life boycotts as were undertaken at the Austin, TX, PP mill in 2003, which delayed its opening several months.
In Denver, pro-lifers are already realizing PP’s fears. Two weeks ago they conducted a lit drop in the African-American neighborhood of the proposed PP. Here is what an RH Reality Check columnist called a “lie-packed brochure.” Sorry, Jim, it was footnoted, although Jim is likely ticked because one of his inadvertently PP-damning columns is cited in it three times (click to enlarge):
And every weekend now, pro-lifers are picketing the home of Gary Meggison, senior vp of the Denver PP site’s general contractor, the Weitz Company. (Telephone: 303-860-6600, email: gary.meggison@weitz.com)
CORTL plans to picket Weitz’s office beginning tomorrow, which is rented space and should also bother its landlord and fellow tenants.
Which brings us to the latest pro-abort faux pas. For the contractor picket, CORTL had planned for a Truth Truck with an anti-PP sign to drive around the area.
But last Saturday night during CORTL’s annual banquet, someone stole this mobile billboard off the Truth Truck in the parking lot (click to enlarge):
The Rocky Mountain News reported yesterday that according to a witness, “a white male grabbed the 15-foot by 7-foot banner… put it in his car and drove away from the Denver Tech Center hotel where the banquet was being held.”
Problem is, that witness got the thief’s license plate number. Concluded RMN, “After the theft, a deputy drove several times by the home where the car was registered but no one was home, the sheriff said. An investigator will attempt again today.”
According to Leslie Hanks, CORTL vp, the thief has not yet been apprehended. But he will face felony charges, since the sign’s value is over $1,000.
It will be interesting to see who the thief is and if he is connected to PP of the Rocky Mountains.
Liberal Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn wrote a piece today tying Aurora, Austin, and Denver together.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Yeah, great…
African-Americans are the second-fastest growing demographic in the US – right behind Hispanics, but without the help of immigration.
About 70% of births in the African-American community are illegitamate. It’s a nice way to ensure that you never finish school and your children are raised in poverty.
There is no genocide, just a community in desperate need for responsible birth control.
This is ridiculous. Listen to me, people: abortion has NOTHING to do with racism!!! If you think that, then you are ignorant.
I think that Laura’s profound comments could be from the mouth of Margaret Sanger herself. Those people (African-Americans) live a lifestyle that is destined to ensure poverty and ignorance. They are obviously incapable of self-control, having demonstrated that time and time again. The best thing we can hope for and work towards for those people and the most noble cause that civilized white Americans can work towards is to ensure that the irresponsibility of the negro population’s lifestyles is rendered (responsibly) sterile, or if not sterile then we need to make sure that the offspring are stillborn. This is is the desperate need for responsible birth control.
Am I the only one that wants to kiss that baby? She’s the cutest thing ever.
Laura, blacks would be the #1 minority were it not for abortion.
Leah, wake up. According to Guttmacher, 95% of abortion mills are located in urban areas:
http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/characteristics.html
Yeah, it’s GREAT to be born to a poor single mother with no marketable skills. (From the Cornell study):
Unlike other studies, which have looked at child poverty based on a few very broad racial and ethnic groups, the researchers zeroed in on changes in economic disparities across 25 different racial and ethnic groups, including breakdowns by generation of immigrant status and country of origin, by analyzing data from the 1990 and 2000 Public Use Microdata Samples of the U.S. decennial censuses.
Their findings, which are published in a special supplement to the December issue of Social Sciences Quarterly (86:5), indicate, for example, that in 2000, 9 percent of non-Hispanic white children lived below the government’s poverty line, compared with 33 percent of non-Hispanic black children, 31 percent of Native American and 27 percent of Hispanic children. Japanese and Filipino children, on the other hand, had the lowest poverty rates: about 5 percent of both were poor in 2000.
About 39 percent of children whose mothers were unemployed were poor in 2000, compared with 7 percent of children whose mothers worked full time.
Percent of children living in poverty, based on race/ethnicity, mother’s employment status and family structure
1990 2000
Non-Hispanic white 11 9.3
Non-Hispanic black 39 33
Native American 38 27
Hispanic 31 27
Mexican 32 28
Cuban 17 15
Puerto Rican 41 33
Dominican 43 35
Japanese 4.6 5.1
Filipino 4.9 5.3
Unemployed mothers 41 39
Moms work part time 13 14
Moms work full time 6 7
Married parents 10 9
Previously married mother 42 32
Never married mother 69 54
While 9 percent of children in married-couple households were poor in 2000, 32 percent of children in families headed by divorced females and 54 percent of children living with never-married mothers were poor.
Although the slowdown in the growth of single-parent families did not play a large role in reducing child poverty during the 1990s (though these changes did play a large role before 1990), differences in marriage and out-of-wedlock childbearing continue to account for a large part of observed differences in child poverty among minority and immigrant groups.
“Overall, black children’s poverty rates were 2.7 times greater than white children’s rates,” said Lichter, noting that poverty rates among third-generation black and white children (native-born children of native-born parents) were 34 and 9 percent, respectively, in 2000. “If these children had the same distributions across family types — for example if the same proportion lived in two-parent families — black children’s poverty rates would be less than two times greater than white children’s.”
Racial and ethnic differences in work patterns, however, he said, account for very little of the racial and ethnic variation in child poverty rates.
The study was supported, in part, by Save the Children Federation, the National Science Foundation, and the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development.
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Laura, your solution to the morass is to kill black babies. Easy for you to say. And sick.
Our solution is to help pregnant black mothers welcome their babies, teach black women self-respect to avoid illicit sex in the first place, and teach black men to be real men and not exploit women for sex or abandon the mothers of their children. 70% of African American babies are born to single moms.
@Laura,
studied arithmetic for years in primary school … this is weird ……”Previously married mother 42.32% … Never married mother 69.54%” … just doesn’t add-up. Are the rest of the numbers here, as contrived?
Laura, your solution to the morass is to kill black babies. Easy for you to say. And sick.
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I’ve NEVER suggested killing black babies (Oooooooh, hairtrigger libel suit? Nah, I’m an adult…)
Why would you deny birth control to people who want to pull themselves and their children out of poverty. Why would you maintain a destructive cycle?
Jill,
An excellent post. Remember when Dan Quayle was so viciously attacked for his “Murphy Brown” comment? Problem was, he was right, though of course the MSM and feminists would have rather gagged than admit it. Working as I did with young single mothers at the time, these attacks and the message they were sending these young women, the message that fathers are irrelevant, made me physically ill. To those who laughed at Quayle I could only say spend some time in the mentoring program or the crisis pregnancy center I volunteered at.
In a major city near me, a black professional woman was so distressed by the illegitimacy rate in the black community that she formed a mentoring group of professional black women. The teenage girls mentored by these women finished school, furthered their educations, and definitely bettered their lives. They did not trap themselves and babies into lives of welfare dependency and poverty. These women accomplished what birth control pills and abortion had failed miserably to do. So why are we stuck in this time warp of thinking that dispensing birth control will solve all our problems? Believe me Jill, if I thought it would, I would have spoon fed these girls contraception myself.
Laura, by the way, my mother was the child of a desperately poor single mother, and my maternal grandmother was also the child of a desperately poor single mother, so poor in fact she had to consign her children out to indentured servitude with various families, a not uncommon practice back then.
I know my mother and grandmother greatly valued their lives.
I think it’s time to call in the African-American poetess who couldn’t stop rapping about the whole thing. The one that responded to Jill’s column some weeks ago… What was her name?
And of course, Ms. Alveda King. She could tell us white chicks a thing or two. But I’m Puerto-Rican, so does that count me out?
What is the point, in the first place? There’s nothing even remotely suggesting that we should deny a black woman an abortion if her pregnancy is unwanted.
Doug
“In a major city near me, a black professional woman was so distressed by the illegitimacy rate in the black community that she formed a mentoring group of professional black women.”
Awesome, Mary. Funny, if Margaret Sanger could suggest that indoctrinating the birth control agenda to the “negro” population would be most effectively kick-started by the black clergy, couldn’t the opposite of that misguided message be effectively kick-started by the black clergy as well?
That is, if anyone respected their clergy?
Jill: Laura, blacks would be the #1 minority were it not for abortion.
This has been studied, abortion doesn’t significantly change the number of children women have, it just delays the age at which they have them.
How long has Planned Parenthood been primarily in urban areas?
I’m asking because if it has been some time now, then I would say that education, contraception and abortion have failed miserably since it appears that African Americans haven’t moved out of poverty yet.
What needs to be done is a better public school education system. They don’t need reproductive rights and more sex education – they need better schools with better teachers. (When I say “they” I am talking about all poverty stricken area’s in the US)
It is really sad (to me) that the African American population has a wonderful female role model for their young girls but the African American elites trash her at every turn because she isn’t a democrat. Condalezza Rice was 16 years old when she graduated High School. 19 when she got her BA in political science and 20 years old when she got her masters. She was 26 years old when she got her PhD in 1981. This would be a woman that little girls of all ethnic backgrounds should look up to. Instead, the African American elites decided to call her “Aunt Jemimah” and redicule her for being a republican under Pres. Bush. They also claimed she was unintelligent and just a person who does everything Bush wants.
Why is she a Republican? From Wikipedia:
Rice was a Democrat until 1982 when she changed her political affiliation to Republican after growing averse to former President Carter’s foreign policy.[17] She also cited influence from her father, John Wesley, in this decision, who himself switched from Democrat to Republican after being denied voting registration by the Democratic registrar. In her words to the 2000 Republican National Convention, “My father joined our party because the Democrats in Jim Crow Alabama of 1952 would not register him to vote. The Republicans did.”[18] In addition to English, she speaks, with varying degrees of fluency, Russian, German, French, and Spanish.
Contraception and Abortion are not the answers to getting anyone out of poverty. Sex education isn’t the way to get anyone out of poverty either.
Oop…. forgot to put the wikipedia reference in quotes. The last paragraph is mine not from Wiki.
This statement is so very sad. I have met many very loving black mothers. I’ve heard many racial remarks in my lifetime about blacks and abortion. I can’t really control what people say, but it makes me sad:(
Valerie,
Contrary to popular misconception, it was Republicans who fought for the rights of freed blacks and Democrats who resisted any efforts of the Republicans to do so. The examples are many but I will only mention a few.
Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. His immediate successor, Democrat Andrew Johnson, was an avowed racist determined to send the newly freed blacks back to the plantation.
The Ku Klux Klan was founded as the terrorist arm of Southern Democrats who were determined to keep the new freed black slaves “in their places”.
The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act of 1964 and 1965 were filibustered by Southern Democrats and never would have been passed without the help of Republicans. One of the filibustering senators, former klansman(gasp) Robert Byrd, Democrat, has enjoyed status and power for years in the Senate and is still there now.
By the way, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton attended a birthday party honoring this former nightriding member of the bedsheet brigade at the historical home of, all people, abolitionist Frederick Douglass.
@Mary: Political parties in the US have switched ideologies. :) Yes, it’s true that back in the 1860’s the Republicans were “liberal” and the Democrats were “conservative”, but somewhere along there they switched, which is interesting…not sure how it happened.
Rae,
This has been portrayed as such by the media. I wasn’t aware the Klan was founded by Southern Democrats until I saw it on a documentary. I KNOW we would have been informed if the Republicans had founded them. Also, black Americans would have sat at the back of the bus a lot longer had Republicans not assisted with the passage of the Civil and Voting Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965.
John and Robert Kennedy have long been portrayed as champions of civil rights, for reasons I can’t understand. RFK wiretapped Marin Luther King, and JFK preferred involving himself more in foreign affairs than being bothered by Dr. King and “his Negroes”. It was Lyndon Johnson who had the political pull JFK lacked to get Civil Rights passed. It was Democrats in the Senate who resisted civil and voting rights by filibustering.
Liberal is thought to be saintly and conservative evil and racist, not true.
There are those who argue, blacks included, that affirmative action is in itself patronizing and racist. I have also heard blacks argue, among them Dr. Thomas Sowell and Dr. Walter Williams, that liberal Democrat social programs have devastated the black community.
I only gave a few examples Rae, but I have several more. I could find the printout if you’re interested and maybe give you a link.
Per Laura,
“There is no genocide, just a community in desperate need for responsible birth control.”
Laura,
Abortion is not responsible birth control.
PP follows a business plan to make as much money as they can. LOCATION. LOCATION. LOCATION.
@Mary: Perhaps you are right. I’ve read Thomas Sowell’s stuff and I am inclined to agree with him, I am against affirmative action. It’s crap program built on faulty logic.
I know the KKK was developed by the Southern Democrats. We learn that in school.
I don’t consider liberals to be saintly and good, because they’re not. I don’t think conservatives are evil either.
I also don’t think it was purely political party that lead to the filibustering and what not around the civil rights movement. It was racism, plain and simple and racism can exist anywhere, regardless of political affiliation.
Per Margaret Sanger:
“We don’t want the word to get out that we want to extermintate the Negro population.”
Per Laura:
There is no genocide, just a community in desperate need for responsible birth control.
Laura,
What part of Maggie’s comment do you not understand? What exactly do you think she meant by this comment?? Please explain.
Margaret Sanger was a eugenist and said certain races were “minority stocks” and “unfit.” She was speaking of blacks.
I don’t think Sanger was more killing black babies by abortion than she was for preventing black babies from being concieved- she just didn’t want more black people, Jews, Christians, Hispanics, etc. Whether they were exterminated through abortion or non-breeding, it was all the same to her. This is why she put her “clinics” in minority neighborhoods-she wanted less minorities. Here’s an article you should read (and Jill should write a column about- *wink,wink*).
Sanger wanted a race of thoroughbreds- Aryans. As a blond-haired blue-eyed whitey with no handicaps (mental nor physical) I could have 2 children if I desired, but no more! And I could only breed with another Aryan. No “genetically inferior races” as she put it.
Nope- Abortion has nothing to do with racism! /sarcasm
“Always to me any aroused group was a good group, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan…As someone came out of the hall I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses
Rae,
Quite true about racism, but the fact is it was Southern Democrats who filibustered the civil and voting right legislation and that Democrat Lyndon Johnson needed the help of Republicans to get it passed. Lyndon Johnson certainly deserves his share of the credit as well.
I’m surprised you learned of the KKK history in school. The first I ever heard of it was from a TV documentary about a year ago!
If you google “Walter Williams”, I think you will find his writings very interesting as well.
He brought up the very interesting point that segregation in the south was opposed by the operators of the cities’ transportation systems. Money in a black hand was as green as money in a white one and the loss of black customers could be catastrophic to their business. I understand that in rural areas with large black populations, segregation was not as rigidly enforced. Store owners may not have much liked their black customers, but they certainly welcomed their green money and could not maintain their businesses without them.
jtm,
How nice the women’s branch of the KKK could take time off from burning crosses and lynching black citizens to attend!
@Mary at September 25, 2007 1:36 PM
right on Mary!
Jasper,
Thank you!
This is what Planned Parenthood has as the “full” quote from the statement on the billboard:
“It seems to me from my experience . . . in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors, they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table. . . . They do not do this with the white people, and if we can train the Negro doctor at the clinic, he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results. . . . His work, in my opinion, should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County’s white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us.
The minister’s work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs (Sanger, 1939, December).”
I wonder what was left out? Why all the …. after the sentences. So I found out that this statment is from a letter that Sanger wrote to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble while they were discussing the “Negro Project”. Here is the full quote:
“in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County
Much of this still has me scratching my head. Is a given black woman really going to be “worried” about the black population in the US, to the extent that it would tip the balance on a pregnancy, from unwanted to wanted? I sure think it would be an exceedingly rare thing.
Doug
Much of this still has me scratching my head. Is a given black woman really going to be “worried” about the black population in the US, to the extent that it would tip the balance on a pregnancy, from unwanted to wanted? I sure think it would be an exceedingly rare thing.
Doug
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I wonder how many poor black teenage girls know who Margaret Sanger was, and how many couldn’t care less.
Being a teen mother is a disaster for everybody concerned:
Babies of teen mothers have 21% higher probability of low birth weight, increasing possibilities for infant death, blindness, deafness, chronic respiratory problems, mental retardation, mental illness, and cerebral palsy. It doubles chances for dyslexia, hyperactivity, and other disabilities.1
Teen mothers start parenthood with few viable economic skills. Forty-one percent of mothers under 18 finish high school, compared to 61% of 20- to 21-year-old first mothers. A scant 1.5% of teen mothers earn a college degree by age 30.1
Making matters worse, in the past 25 years, the median income for college graduates increased 13%, while the median income for high school dropouts decreased 30%.1
Frighteningly, babies of high school dropouts have an eight times higher risk of being killed than those of college graduates.3
Teen mothers are mostly single parents. Eighty percent of fathers do not marry mothers and pay less than $800 annually in child support, important income for poor children.
Children living apart from fathers are five times more likely to be poor than children from two-parent homes. Children of uninvolved fathers are twice as likely to drop out of school, abuse alcohol or drugs or go to jail, and four times more likely to need help for emotional or behavioral problems.1
So, if teen mothers have no functional family of origin, no
Laura,
I don’t dispute the tragic consequences of teen pregnancy, but rather the naive notion that handing out contraception will stop them from having babies. This theory has been in practice for at least the past 25 years. I well remember the days of the smiling and gorgeous president of PP, Faye Wattleton, and the fawning media that hung on her every utterance. Easy contraception and abortion would solve everything! Face it, its failed miserably.
Now we hear these old and ineffective arguments recycled. We will get the same failed results.
I can remember being shocked in 1970 while working on a hospital maternity ward. These ladies told me point blank they very much planned and wanted their third plus illegitimate child. These were grown women Laura, they could certainly have obtained contraception. These pregnancies were not the accidents I assumed they were.
I have seen too many of these girls and young women since, and these pregnancies are not as accidental as we assume. Sometimes its a family pattern, one generation to the next. Those who would prey on young girls no longer fear prison sentences. Our society glamorizes illegitimacy. Too many men no longer feel any responsibility beyond offering to pay for the abortion, leaving young women and children to the welfare system and dead end jobs.
I believe it was Eunice Kennedy Shriver, or it could have been another Kennedy sister, who pointed out many years ago that contraception is a failure because so many of these girls WANT to be pregnant.
As I said Laura, if contraception would have prevented the girls I dealt with from having babies, I would have spoon fed it to them myself.
I have seen too many of these girls and young women since, and these pregnancies are not as accidental as we assume.
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Then why deny contraceptive access to the ones who DON’T want to follow that pattern?
Planned Parenthood is also the single largest provider of sex education/absinence education. Wouldn’t it be a benefit to low income girls to have PP in the neighborhood and schools?
Laura,
They HAVE contraceptive access and have had it for years. That’s my point. It has solved nothing.
Mary, a most excellent post! If abortion is the “cure all” then why do so many women keep getting pregnant after their abortions, and why do they have repeat abortions? Some move towards a “replacement baby” right after an abortion. It’s confusing. Did you want a baby or didn’t you? I knew a girl who aborted her child, and 6 months later she proudly announced that she was expecting a child with the same man. Her situation hadn’t changed a bit. She just decided that she had made a mistake the first time.
I have something to share. I work in a profession that is predominantly female. On one of my jobs, we always had some “down time” to chat. It was conversations with these women that really shed some light on the abortion topic for me. More than a few of these women had 8,9,10 children at home. In between those children is where they had their abortions. I could never understand. If you were going to have a large family, then why abort any of your children? Is anybody else confused??
Heather,
We had a teenage girl come to surgery for an emergency D&C following a miscarriage. We were shocked to find out that she’d had an abortion just six weeks earlier! She must have become pregnant again less than a month after her abortion.
“Quite true about racism, but the fact is it was Southern Democrats who filibustered the civil and voting right legislation and that Democrat Lyndon Johnson needed the help of Republicans to get it passed. Lyndon Johnson certainly deserves his share of the credit as well.”
@Mary: Oh definitely, LBJ was wonderful in that respect. I agree that the Kennedys were over-rated (always have been, always will be). I never considered Southern Democrats to be real democrats anyway…:-p
“I’m surprised you learned of the KKK history in school. The first I ever heard of it was from a TV documentary about a year ago!”
Yes, we did learn about KKK history, particularly in high school AP US History (which is equivalent to an introductory college class). Plus, I learned about it in South Dakota, a state that has no love for liberals and Democrats. :)
“If you google “Walter Williams”, I think you will find his writings very interesting as well.
He brought up the very interesting point that segregation in the south was opposed by the operators of the cities’ transportation systems. Money in a black hand was as green as money in a white one and the loss of black customers could be catastrophic to their business. I understand that in rural areas with large black populations, segregation was not as rigidly enforced. Store owners may not have much liked their black customers, but they certainly welcomed their green money and could not maintain their businesses without them.”
That is interesting, I’ve never heard of anybody explaining desegregation from an economic point of view. I don’t doubt that greed or at least lust for money for service had something to do with it. I do enjoy reading Thomas Sowell’s opinion on things because he’s not so much “conservative” as “classical liberal” in the vein of John Locke and Adam Smith (not that that really matters). Er…I mean he’s not shrill, if that makes sense. He has reasoned, logical arguments that are true and make sense [to me]. For a political science class I took in college we had to read Thomas Sowell’s argument against affirmative action and I have to say, it was very compelling and is actually what caused me to re-think my position on affirmative action (or at least gain an opinion on the matter).
:)
Mary, do you know how many women I have talked to that don’t use any form of B/C? Why not? Isn’t it available at every PP? Couldn’t any doctor prescribe it? I know that pro lifers are against contraception, but my point is this. Although it is so easily available, people just refuse to use it. Not even a condom. These very same women could have had tubal ligations. Nope.
I remember a lady who wrote an article in our newspaper. She admitted to having had two more children than she had really wanted to have because of birth control failure, and of course this was the fault of pro-lifers.
Excuse madame, if you wanted an abortion, who or what stopped you from having one? You were a grown woman. There’s an abortionist in town. If she was so certain she wanted no more than two children, had she ever heard of something called a tubal ligation, especially after having her unexpected third baby. Why risk another birth control failure? Most important, had she ever heard of personal responsibility? If she wanted no more children, fine. Have a tubal ligation, or have her husband get a vasectomy, something they could have easily obtained.
But no, pro-life people were responsible for her lot in life, a low income single mother of 4 children. While preaching love and tolerance in her column, except of course for pro-life people, she gave little thought to how her last two children would feel about their mother publicly declaring she would have preferred to abort them.
Mary, I have talked many times about a woman I once knew who had 7 abortions. I asked her who the fathers were, and she proceeded to name off several different men. I asked her if she’d ever used protection. Her response: “No, I just go to the abortion clinic.” “It’s my choice.” This woman was a paralegal. She was no dummy, except when it came to her reproductive choices.
Rae,
I’ve learned a lot reading the articles of Drs. Williams and Sowell. They certainly give a different historical perspective.
Desegregation was fiercely resisted in the south and I really don’t know what if anything economics may have had to do with it. The violence and wanton murder were appalling. It was definitely a shameful era in our history.
Mary, in response to that lady and her newspaper column….Yes, of course her “unwanted children” were our fault…..lol!!
If she was so certain she wanted no more than two children, had she ever heard of something called a tubal ligation, especially after having her unexpected third baby. Why risk another birth control failure? Most important, had she ever heard of personal responsibility? If she wanted no more children, fine. Have a tubal ligation, or have her husband get a vasectomy, something they could have easily obtained.
But no, pro-life people were responsible for her lot in life, a low income single mother of 4 children.
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I work with one of those.
She blames the entire planet for her bazillion children and her lack of education.
When I told her that I had had a tubal ligation, she told me that was probably why I’ve had to have so much dental work.
I’m STILL trying to figure that one out…
(It’s almost as good as a man on another board who told me that I chose tubal ligation because I was probably a lesbian. I can’t figure that one out, either.)
Mary, I have talked many times about a woman I once knew who had 7 abortions. I asked her who the fathers were, and she proceeded to name off several different men.
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Gee Heather-
When you tell people you have two children, do they ask you who the baby-daddies are?
Laura –
“When I told her that I had had a tubal ligation, she told me that was probably why I’ve had to have so much dental work.”
HUH? I’ve never heard that one before. LOL
” told me that I chose tubal ligation because I was probably a lesbian.”
um…if you were a lesbian why would you need a tubal ligation? I hope you directed him to the proper websites for a little “birds and the bees” discussion.
Laura,
What a hoot! Those two comments have me stumped as well!
I didn’t get that either, especially the dental work one. Can you elaborate?
Laura, yes they do ask.
Laura,
There you are? Where are the emus?
And Valerie, I’ve been looking all over for you…
Laura, come to the top blog. We are having more fun up there. All chicks with tubals are invited!
I think that Laura’s profound comments could be from the mouth of Margaret Sanger herself. Those people (African-Americans) live a lifestyle that is destined to ensure poverty and ignorance. They are obviously incapable of self-control, having demonstrated that time and time again. The best thing we can hope for and work towards for those people and the most noble cause that civilized white Americans can work towards is to ensure that the irresponsibility of the negro population’s lifestyles is rendered (responsibly) sterile, or if not sterile then we need to make sure that the offspring are stillborn. This is is the desperate need for responsible birth control.
Posted by: Jason at September 25, 2007 10:03 AM
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Jason, unless you have actually even met a woman of this time frame let alone had the respect to listen to her experience, you really don’t have anything to talk about. Your are obviously not working on a degree in anything……….your IQ is below average and smart people scare you. Especially smart black folk.
About the whole race discussion…
I’m having trouble understanding how PP is effectively weeding out any particular race considering ABORTION IS A CHOICE.
Therefore, blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians, etc. all have the ability to kill off their own ethnicities, not PP because PP does not have the legal right to force people to have abortions.
And I’m getting tired of singling out races and calling “racist” everywhere. Ever heard of McCarthyism? Anyone?
Also, Margaret Sanger was born in what, 1880 or something like that? It’s kind of understandable that she might have said something racist, considering it was more accepted back then. You know? I mean, it didn’t really start getting taboo until the 1950’s or so.
Mary,
I could never understand how/why Faye Wattleton became the head of an organization whose founder was blatantly bigoted. Did she decide to look the other way? Having read a couple of Sanger’s books, I was offended, and I’m not even African-American! Maybe you have the answer.
Per Mary,
Gaelyn,
Keep the posts coming!
Hi Carder,
I can only assume Ms. Wattleton was ignorant of Margaret Sanger’s racism. She was devoted to PP and its mission, that’s for sure, and a media darling to boot. How often I wished she was on our side!
Ms. Wattleton quit the PP presidency quite abruptly. Surprising when you consider her dedication and the fact she had an adoring media to help spread her message. One can only speculate on what her reasons may have been. Supposedly she left to host a talk show, something this country certainly needs more of.
By the biological definition, a critter is an adult after puberty. For women that means the age of menarche on average at about 13. Teens are biologically adults. Scientific attempts to quantify teen mental competence as compared to adults age ranged 18-70 show no difference in reasoning ability.
In ancient times, unwed teens had few children because women married very shortly after puberty. Given the society of the day, Mary, mother of Jesus was probably only thirteen or fourteen at the time of Jesus’ birth. Yes, Joseph stepped up to the plate and married her. However, many if not most teen moms are good mothers. Their biggest obstacle is the society that says they are children and denies them basic rights. They are also subject to constant derision. Not to mention that Big business makes big money from idiotic teen culture, further promoting the stereotype of teens as incompetent.
How many other adults in our society are considered bad parents just because of their age? Teens are adults and by objective measures as competent generally as any other adult group. Unfortunately their second class status puts them at a great disadvantage. Their inability to sign contracts and control their own property constitutes gross descrimination.
If we gave teens some respect and responsibility, we would be most impressed. If workplace descrimination against teens weren
Hippie –
According to the latest studies done teens are not mature and have difficulty making adult decisions.
From Mcclean Hospital/affliated with Harvard medical school:
http://www.mclean.harvard.edu/pdf/news/time051004.pdf
It is the project of Dr. Jay Giedd (pronounced Geed), chief of brain imaging in
the child psychiatry branch at the National Institute of Mental Health. Giedd,
43, has devoted the past 13 years to peering inside the heads of 1,800 kids and
teenagers using high-powered magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)….
Giedd’s
scanning studies proved what every parent of a teenager knows: not only is
the brain of the adolescent far from mature, but both gray and white matter
undergo extensive structural changes well past puberty. “When we started,”
says Giedd, “we thought we’d follow kids until about 18 or 20. If we had to
pick a number now, we’d probably go to age 25.”…
“Scientists and the general public had attributed the bad decisions teens make
to hormonal changes,” says Elizabeth Sowell, a UCLA neuroscientist who has
done seminal MRI work on the developing brain.
“But once we started mapping where and when the brain changes were
happening, we could say, Aha, the part of the brain that makes teenagers more
responsible is not finished maturing yet.”…
Not only do feelings reach a flash point more easily, but adolescents tend to
seek out situations where they can allow their emotions and passions to run
wild. “Adolescents are actively looking for experiences to create intense
feelings,” says Dahl. “It’s a very important hint that there is some particular
hormone-brain relationship contributing to the appetite for thrills, strong sensations and excitement.” This thrill seeking may have evolved to promote
exploration, an eagerness to leave the nest and seek one’s own path and
partner. But in a world where fast cars, illicit drugs, gangs and dangerous
liaisons beckon, it also puts the teenager at risk…..
That is especially so because the brain regions that put the brakes on risky,
impulsive behavior are still under construction. “The parts of the brain
responsible for things like sensation seeking are getting turned on in big ways
around the time of puberty,” says Temple University psychologist Laurence
Steinberg. “But the parts for exercising judgment are still maturing throughout
the course of adolescence. So you’ve got this time gap between when things
impel kids toward taking risks early in adolescence, and when things that
allow people to think before they act come online. It’s like turning on the
engine of a car without a skilled driver at the wheel.”…
Giedd says the best estimate for when the brain is truly mature is 25, the age
at which you can rent a car. “Avis must have some pretty sophisticated
neuroscientists,” he jokes. Now that we have scientific evidence that the
adolescent brain is not quite up to scratch, some legal scholars and child
advocates argue that minors should never be tried as adults and should be
spared the death penalty. Last year, in an official statement that summarized
current research on the adolescent brain, the American Bar Association urged
all state legislatures to ban the death penalty for juveniles. “For social and
biological reasons,” it read, “teens have increased difficulty making mature
decisions and understanding the consequences of their actions.”…
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I just picked and chose a few sections to post. The article is a facinating read.
This is why I believe a push towards abstinence is best. Teens activiely seek danger, fun, etc…. They are now taking this danger to the sexual level. We tell them all about STD’s and they say lets play Russian Roulette.
According to Guttmatcher: 9.1 million new STI’s occur among people aged 15-24 every year. We have been passing out condoms since I was in high school in the 1980’s. We have been teaching contraception since I was in high school (Catholic school and we learned all about what was available) and US teen pregnancy is still one of the highest in the developed nations.
No offense Valerie, but if you apply objective criteria to brain imaging studies, you simply cannot draw the conclusions these folks want to purport.
1. Evidence is not proof. Just because there is activity in this or that region of the brain does not tell us what that activity means.
2. Corelation is not causation. No amount of brain activity on a scan can be construed as proving a cause.
For example, not long ago, researchers said brain cells don
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