The new poll question is up:
How do you think televangelist Pat Robertson’s endorsement of GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani impacted Giuliani’s standing?
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Here was my previous poll question and results….
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Well, third party wins. Well, at least among these voters.
Hmm . . .
I don’t know if it helped or hurt Giuliani, but it certainly hurt Pat Robertson.
And I can’t believe how close the vote was. It should prove very interesting a year from now…
Wow, Hillary’s even polling well on this pro-life site. Outstanding!
Like it or not, MK, Giuliani is still a front runner in the Republican party.
…says the media….
My little flag seems to be sticking out of Cincinnati….
I think it might hurt Giuliani with moderates to be associated with a nutter like Robertson.
Leah,
I’ve already resigned myself to the fact that it’s going to come down to those two. I do hate it, but I see the way the wind is blowing. I was just surprised how close it was. I know this is a pro-life site, but I think the vote might have been pretty even. I think the hard core pro lifers said they would vote for a third party and I think the rest of the people (both sides) are evenly split.
We’ve still got time, and anything can happen, but I’m not holding my breath.
Like I said, If it came down to Hillary and Caligula, I’d vote for the Big “C”. But Ireland is lookin’ better and better…
Are we moving to Ireland? Yay
I think pretty soon I’ll have to find a spot to live, far away enough from the nuclear fallout……
Poll shows support for Abortion decision at nine-year high
Written by Staff
Sunday, 11 November 2007
The Harris Poll
33% of Democrats oppose Roe v. Wade.
A sizable plurality.
51% of Republicans oppose it.
So I guess the third party guy really does have a chance, if he is pro life that is.
Hippie,
I don’t trust those stats. I think more repubs are oppose and less dems oppose…
Hippie- the problem is that you guys are all convinced that everyone is a single issue voter. Abortion isn’t on the top of most people’s concerns. So we’ve got some little issues about Roe v. Wade- it’s just not at the top of the list, nationally.
One note about Hillary.
John Edwards (whom I like on everything except abortion) challenged Hillary to join him in rejecting lobbyists money.
H. Clinton declined.
At $90 million dollars she is wearing the same sign that Bush wore during his campaign.
The sign reads:
I am beholden to everyone except you.
Erin,
You make a good point. There are all kinds of single issue voters. Some vote based on the war, taxes, economy etc. Even someone who opposes abortion will vote for Giuliani because they agree with him on other stuff. Just look at Pat Robertson. His derangement aside, he said at some point he was prolife but now, well, uh . . . Looking on the bright side, prolife folks can distance ourselves from him like we always wanted to.
If it comes to Clinton vs. Giuliani, I’d vote for Gene Amondson of the Prohibition Party … unless the Constitution Party has a better choice running that the potential candidates that I’ve seen. I’m fully prepared to write in a candidate who shares my values.
As to the Robertson-Giuliani question, I doubt that it’s going to make much difference to Giuliani. I think that it’s probably flushed whatever credibility Robertson had left, though.
MK:
Ireland is amazing. This is not up for debate. :)
* A quarter (25%) favor permitting abortion in “all circumstances”, 52 percent favor abortion is “some circumstances” and 20 percent do not favor abortion in any circumstances. These opinions have not shifted much in the past year;
Wouldn’t that mean the 72% think that we should NOT have abortion on demand?
Yes MK
Figures don’t lie but liars do figure.
Figures don’t lie but liars do figure.
True, true.
MK,
Good post. That’s how I saw it too.
mk, it really boils down to what they meant by “some.” That could mean anything from “to save the life of the mother,” or “only in cases or rape or incest” (both small numbers) or “only in the first two trimesters,” which is practically all abortions.
Everyone polled probably has a different idea, so all we really know is 77% don’t approve a general abortion ban
“I don’t trust those stats. I think more repubs are oppose and less dems oppose…”
@Jasper, and wouldn’t it just burn your buns if those stats were accurate? Who would have thought, eh? Not all Democrats are evil baby-killing bastards. Go figure.
Hal,
Everyone polled probably has a different idea, so all we really know is 77% don’t approve a general abortion ban
However you want to spin it Hal, the bottom line is that right now we have abortion on demand and 72% of the US population disagrees with this.
sort of, I don’t think most americans realize it’s “aboriton on demand.” they want some restrictions, but how much is the question. I’m guessing 75% would be fine with abortion on demand for the first trimester and strong restrictions thereafter.
Robertson’s endorsement of Giuliani along with Kerik’s indictment will be seen as being the moment where Giuliani’s credibility as a competent leader was smashed to pieces and his fall in the polls gained momentum.
Giuliani is NOT a good leader as the people of NYC will plainly tell you and he cannot be trusted to make good choices as far as his cabinet and national security goes.
New favorite website about Giuliani – Italians Ashamed of Rudy Giuliani
http://www.myspace.com/italiansashamedofrudy
Hal,
The point made by both you and MK is that the article referencing the poll is ambiguous on “some circumstances”
This is where some claim bias.
Is the poll clear on “some circumstances” and the article choses not to discuss the circumstances?
Or
Was the original poll ambiguous on “some circumstances” ?
Why use ambiguous language in an article and not explain why it is ambiguous?
When they make broad generalizations based on ambiguous statements like “some circumstances”, they beg criticism of their conclusion as well as accusations of bias.
MK quickly pointed to how she could interpret one way, while the article made the opposite interpretation.
If you are going to go to the trouble to poll people, wouldn’t it make more sense to use less ambiguous language than “some circumstances” so you can really acertain what people think?
If we can use identical data to form opposite conclusions, then they obviously have not done a superb job of polling or reporting.
sort of, I don’t think most americans realize it’s “aboriton on demand.” they want some restrictions, but how much is the question. I’m guessing 75% would be fine with abortion on demand for the first trimester and strong restrictions thereafter.
Posted by: hal at November 12, 2007 9:03 PM********************** Why?
why what? why do I “guess” that 75% of Americans are fine with abortion on demand for the first trimester? Polls like the one quoted here in part. Party because that seems to work pretty well in Europe. Partly because the mainstream opposition to abortion seems to focus on late pregnancy abortions. My memory of the polls is that most people are fine with abortions at 4 to 6 weeks.
The view that “it’s a baby from conception on” is just not carrying the day.
Why what? Why are you okay with first trimester abortions, but you’re not okay with second or third? My pro choice friends say the same thing. One woman said “At least I had my abortion in my 9th week.” What’s the difference.
I don’t know why people feel that way. But they do.
Hal, we both know the truth.
the truth? All abortions “kill babies?”
Then why do you think people don’t care about first trimester abortions?
Hippie: If we can use identical data to form opposite conclusions, then they obviously have not done a superb job of polling or reporting.
It does make a difference how the question is asked, often.
Go check out the wonderful new movie Bella, in theatres this weekend. It’s a powerfully edifying story of the unmitigated value and dignity of human life.