Facelift
Amanda Marcotte noted yesterday on RH Reality Check the face of the pro-life movement has shifted from men, to older women, to now younger women like Kristi Burns Burton, leading the CO personhood amendment movement.
This line struck me as funny:
[H]aving a bunch of post-menopausal ladies wag their finger at the young sluts these days doesn’t provide that much of a tactical advantage.
But Amanda cannot deny her side is spearheaded by same.
Reality check, Amanda. It is your post-menopausals at the tactical disadvantage. How difficult it must be to try to lure the same young women they fought so hard to kill prebirth. Anyone with an ounce of sense would avoid your angry old mentor bats like death, because that’s what they are….
And now young angry bats like Amanda have new problems created by the old bats. We have always said half those aborted are female. But now it’s worse. These days females killed by abortion far outnumber males.
Will Amanda decry female feticide in China, India, and Pakistan? How can she? By so doing she would admit preborns are human. Can’t go there.
So sad it must be to realize the primary tool touted to bring equality to women is the very tool used to off them. No, can’t go there.
And Amanda, get ready. It’s no longer just overseas and avoidable. It’s here in America.
A February 24 Los Angeles Times article discussed sex selection testing, now here and now common. And it wasn’t discussed in terms of right and wrong morally. It was discussed in terms of right and wrong results.
Its lead story was about a couple who would have aborted their girl had the test been correct:
She wanted to keep the baby, but Rohit wasn’t sure. With two daughters already, the family’s finances were a bit strained. Could they really afford a third child?
Geeta countered with another question: What if the baby were a boy?
In fact, the first 3 couples in the story wanted boys and mistakenly got girls.
The girls you don’t kill by abortion are growing up to defeat you, Amanda. So get used to the young faces.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
young angry bats
:: chuckling ::
Reality check, Jill. First, the name is Kristi Burton, not Burns. Second, like most female anti-choice extremists, she is completely under the control of the males who run the “movement”.
The Colorado “personhood movement” is controlled by homophobe and child-beater Bob Enyart, along with Keith “cockroach” Mason (look him up in Wikipedia if you don’t understand the nickname).
Their flunkies include Will Duffy and Ken Scott.
Kristi is useful as a “puppet”, since she does not have the record of arrests, restraining order and mental commitments that dog the “leaders”.
Google Ken Scott and the articles in Westword magazine about him and Enyart if you want to discover the true nature of the “personhood” movement in Colorado.
Second, like most female anti-choice extremists, she is completely under the control of the males who run the “movement”.
Anon,
So YOU, yourself admit that women aren’t capable of rational thought and can be coerced into doing things? :gasp: I thought your side was all about saying women CAN make rational decisions. Oh, but wait, they can only be capable of that when they choose to have an abortion. They can’t possibly be rational when they decide to keep their baby!
wow.
Elizabeth,
Sometime people make bad decisions. Men, women. Sometimes having a child isn’t the right idea (I’m thinking of women who get pregnant so their boyfriends will stay with them) and sometimes having an abortion is a bad decision. We just have to trust people to make good decisions and help them deal with the consequences when they make the wrong decision.
Jill,
Let us not resort to the vile rhetoric of our adversaries. Referring to the opposition as bats may be momentarily satisfying, but in the long run does not strengthen our argument. Let them spew the hate – it only distracts from their logic.
Kristi is a puppet, and Elizabeth is apparently irrational. I have full confidence that other women are fully capable of rational decisions, which is why I am pro-chice.
“Let them spew the hate – it only distracts from their logic.”
Hush up Bismarck you vapid bat… jk I
Killing an unwanted spouse in order to avoid the expense of a divorce may be a rational decision, but taking an innocent human life to achieve that end is not a just decision.
Soon, very soon, Doug, will be defending the anti-Catholic Marcotte, who is banned to obscurity,and help sink the elitist male John Edwards bid to become president.
And why not, Doug offers apologetics for the three generation, anti-Catholic bigot, at this post board named Sad Eyed Sally.
With some good luck, Marcotte might learn that convicting Duke male students of rape just ain’t smart politics.
Let’s face it the pro-abortion side is dominated by men. Barack Obama is poised to beat te first major female presidential candidate. In some of the top abortion battles (Aurora, Kansas, etc.) the leading figures are men. In the list of abortion practitioners who violated laws — all men. Yet the heads of most pro-life groups (NRLC, SBA, CWA, CareNet, Heartbeat, and tons of state Right to Life groups) are all women.
Steve, excellent point. And going further, prettymuch anyone involved in pro-life activities can attest to the majority of those involved being female.
I’ve conversed with Kristi several times, via email, phone, and meeting settings. She’s brilliant beyond her years, extremely articulate when it comes to defending life, and very self-aware and sure of herself. Anyone accusing her of being a pawn is
1) Ignorant of who she is
2) Making rash and incorrect assumptions
3) Not giving women a fair shake (if someone disagrees with you, that doesn’t make them any less intelligent than you are)
Amanda has solid writing skills, and its obvious that she loves what she does. Her drive and passion for what she writes about comes through in her missives. But her style of assuming outrageous things about her opponents and then tearing them to shreds based on those incorrect assumptions is a damaging thing that can’t do much for changing minds.
I’ve seen and heard several interviews with Kristi and she’s a smart woman. She’s very well spoken which is much more than can be said about Amanda (and apparently anonymous.)
There are plenty of women with the same view as Kristi yet of course she must be under some Vulcan mind control by some man. Sheesh.
Actually, the feminist movement is alive and well among the young adult set. Young women are at the reins off leadership at feminist organizations around the country, writing books, and creating media.
And please don’t dis my “mentor bats.” They’ve always been extremely sweet to me.
Oh, wow. More ad hominem projection from the borties. That’s hardly news! Ok, one more time, very slowly:
Out of all the U.S. registered voters in 1973, exactly nine of them got to make a choice on Roe v. Wade and guess what? ALL of them were MEN.
NOW was not originally the child-killing advocacy group it quickly became after Lawrence Lader (a MAN) sold the NOW leadership on the idea that in order for women to have equality with men in the workplace, they had to be free to kill their children. After all, men can have sex and not bear children, so to equalize things, women have to submit to having the essence of their womanhood – the ability to conceive and bear children – demeaned, diminished, violated and mutilated via legal abortion. How chauvinistic is that?!
But it only makes sense. After all, it is irresponsible, predatory males who profit from abortion, and the women who pay most dearly for their convenience, often with their lives.
Most of the people killed before they are even born are women; but you won’t hear a peep of objection, let alone outrage, from the so-called paragons of women’s rights, male and female, who support their murder.
However, Steve Ertelt is not entirely accurate; two women abortion profiteers have been mentioned here recently as having run afoul of laws pertaining to their grisly practices; Belkis Gonzales and Deborah Lyn Levich. Another female abortion profiteer, Alicia Ruiz Hannah, was convicted and jailed in 1995 for killing Angela Sanchez by a botched abortion. I
Elizabeth is apparently irrational.
Lol, maybe, but at least I have the balls to post under an actual name.
Aborting female fetuses because they are female is regretable, but I wish to address a different issue for a moment.
This is a symptom of a larger problem and by focusing exclusively on the symptom you risk ignoring the underlying cause itself. The problem is not that female fetuses are aborted at a higher rate than their male counterparts–the problem is that males are more valued than females in many societies–arguably, even our own.
Whinning about the symptoms of this problem will not make the problem go away–it does not address the underlying causes of this problem and only throws up a smokescreen that prevents this problem from being addressed.
The solution is not to outlaw abortion or even just outlaw sex-selection abortions, but to address the underlying currents in society that mean that men are valued more highly than women. Address that issue, and the issue of abortion based on sex will take care of itself.
Hmm, Enigma..I agree with that!
address the underlying currents in society that mean that men are valued more highly than women.
Yes, I do wonder what it is that makes men more valued than women or the reverse, women more valued than men. We’re all humans and should be valued equally.
Abortion devalues everyone, in some way. Outlawing it would do a great deal to restore a sanctity of all human life ethic, which is the base for the kind of civilized, just, legitimately free society most of us want to live in.
Amanda,
Abortion changed families. Many kids that are growing up now have no siblings, others have one or two. I’ve noticed that they are lonely. They miss their siblings that were never born. This next generation of parents will be marrying earlier, having more children and fewer abortions.
About a decade or so ago, there was a popular pro-choice advertisement in circulation drawing attention to the fact that the vast majority of “pro-life” leaders were men……It’s a powerful statement from pro-choicers about the reality of the anti-choice movement, and how it’s not only about controlling sexuality, but about the patriarchal grasp over women’s autonomy.
This idea so 1970.
“Many kids that are growing up now have no siblings, others have one or two. I’ve noticed that they are lonely.”
My sister and I agreed we are glad our parents didn’t have more kids. We are happier just having each other.
I am sorry for interjecting this from another thread but I think for safety reasons people should understand this.
Sally wrote,
Since when is it illegal for a medically unlicensed person to cut an umbilical cord? What exactly are unlicensed people expected to do to ‘save’ an unsavable fetus during a premature delivery?
Posted by: Sally at March 5, 2008 1:05 PM
Point of information:
You NEVER cut the umbilical cord !
It is very dangerous to the baby !
Cutting the cord is a medical intervention, not part of the natural process.
The placenta will be expelled after a couple of minutes anyway and can be wrapped in a clean towel or bag while still attached.
Remember the story about the little girl who fell through the toilet onto the train tracks? She survived and her cord was still attached.
When the baby is born, the blood in the cord is still flowing into the baby from the placenta. If you cut the cord, germs will get into his bloodstream.
In hospitals, they clamp the cord first, then cut it. This requires training, licensing etc.
New studies are showing what people knew for thousands of years, it is better not to cut it until after it stops pulsing (or not cut it at all) so the baby gets all the blood he needs.
If you ever find yourself in the unlikely situation of attending a birth, remember you NEVER CUT THE CORD.
Well, it appears that I have not missed much in my absence….
Hi midnite,
How have you been?
Kristi is a puppet, and Elizabeth is apparently irrational. I have full confidence that other women are fully capable of rational decisions, which is why I am pro-chice.
Posted by: anonymous at March 6, 2008 11:07 AM
Let’s see, anon is probably a guy and when he finds women he disagrees with he labels them puppets and irrational. Whereas women who agree with him are of course rational.
As women aren’t we just sick of this crap.
I know I am.
f you ever find yourself in the unlikely situation of attending a birth, remember you NEVER CUT THE CORD.
Posted by: hippie at March 6, 2008 3:16 PM
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If I should ever find myself in such a position I would most certainly call 911. My youngest just turned 28. I really don’t remember much about my children’s arrivals into the world.
What crap hippie? There is so much crap to choose from.
I don’t like how guys just see women as weak, whiney little children who can’t do anything for themselves. Rudolph… who was he? Some guy who bombed an abortion clinic wrote an essay on how feminism is apparently the devil and ends the essay saying something to the effect of women need men or they’ll self destruct. Anyone want to read it?
Some guy who bombed an abortion clinic wrote an essay on how feminism is apparently the devil and ends the essay saying something to the effect of women need men or they’ll self destruct. Anyone want to read it?
What’s the point? There are plenty of idiots in the world, that is not shocking.
Remember the story about the little girl who fell through the toilet onto the train tracks? She survived and her cord was still attached.
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What I wonder is where the placenta was? I actually knew someone that gave birth in a toilet. She didn’t know she was pregnant. I kid you not. The woman was in her late 20s. Of course this was the early 70s and her sex ed may have been lacking. I just don’t know how anyone could be pregnant for 9 months and not know it. But than I knew another woman who’s doctor told her that her son was indigestion for 6 months.
The solution is not to outlaw abortion or even just outlaw sex-selection abortions, but to address the underlying currents in society that mean that men are valued more highly than women. Address that issue, and the issue of abortion based on sex will take care of itself.
Posted by: Engima at March 6, 2008 1:29 PM
Kinda hard to do when we don’t even value human life and by extension those who bring that life forth. If we are to really value women, we have to value their reproductive value as well as their value as workers. Not instead of but as well as. Now women are valued as workers but a woman with 10 kids is not valued by society for her contribution to the next generation. Bringing 10 kids into the world is a contribution to the world, not a burden on it. When we get that, we will be making real progress. When we balk at that notion, we deny women’s rights, value and reproductive freedom. You aren’t free to reproduce if you are slammed by society for choosing to do so. Even affluent women are harshly criticized if they have large families. Women have babies. If you hate that, then to some extent you hate natural female sexuality.
We went through the women’s movement ostensibly to give women options. Now however women are pressured to work outside the home more than they really want to because they are valued more as workers than as mothers. Pick up any parenting magazine and you will find articles and reader surveys where women in large percentages say they would rather be home with their kids.
I am not against birth control or small families or women who don’t have or want kids. I am against the prevailing attitude that when women have kids they aren’t improving the world, when in fact they are.
We are all here because women have babies.
Love, sex and babies. Its natural and beautiful.
I just love it.
What I wonder is where the placenta was? I actually knew someone that gave birth in a toilet. She didn’t know she was pregnant. I kid you not. The woman was in her late 20s. Of course this was the early 70s and her sex ed may have been lacking. I just don’t know how anyone could be pregnant for 9 months and not know it. But than I knew another woman who’s doctor told her that her son was indigestion for 6 months.
Posted by: Sally at March 6, 2008 4:03 PM
Sally,
funny you should say that. One of my friends is very overweight (carries the weight in front) and since she has been pregnant she has lost 40 lbs. She never bought maternity clothes and her clothes are now looser than before. Anyway, she looks about the same as she always did. If she didn’t tell you she was pregnant, you couldn’t tell from looking at her because she looks the same as before. She is due in two weeks and I can’t wait to see how she will look after delivery. Talk about mega makeover.
I also had a student who was chubby and one day in November brought me a note to excuse her week of absence, because she had a baby! I never knew. She really didn’t look pregnant and fit right in those little student desks.
Just have to say it is variation.
Yay FFL!
FFL wants to address both issues- how to stop this from happening, but most of all how to stop the cause of this happening.
Kinda hard to do when we don’t even value human life and by extension those who bring that life forth. If we are to really value women, we have to value their reproductive value as well as their value as workers. Not instead of but as well as.
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I believe it is necessary to value the lives of women as a whole before focussing on her uterus.
The leading cause of death to pregnant women is a man in this country. How is this being addressed? By focussing on the dead conceptus. This does nothing to address domestic violence and completely ignores ginormous amounts of women and children that live lives of daily terror.
Hippie, 4:08 p.m. GREAT POST!
I have been desribed as a rich white guy (actually I am a self-employed hard working, olive skinned Sicilian), a child abuser (because I have brought up my kids to be straight arrow, God fearing Christians and have admitted to spanking them when they needed it), a homophobe, a woman-hater, a racist, etc., etc.
Yet…..despite all this I want all babies in the womb to have a chance at life; some of which will be women, a great percentage blacks, some will be homosexuals, some will be pro-aborts, yes and worst of all some will be liberals, etc., etc.
Isn’t it ironic that choice kills future woman, future homosexuals, future pro-aborts, blacks, etc., etc., all of whom God loves and wants to live.
Ah iniquity, who can understand it? This Marcotte chic is very creepy. I think she’s really a closet serial murder wannabe.
The leading cause of death to pregnant women is a man in this country.
Huh? You mean the leading cause of death is homicide. Men aren’t the only people who commit homicide. There are plenty of women who kill pregnant women to take their babies from them.
funny you should say that. One of my friends is very overweight (carries the weight in front) and since she has been pregnant she has lost 40 lbs. She never bought maternity clothes and her clothes are now looser than before. Anyway, she looks about the same as she always did. If she didn’t tell you she was pregnant, you couldn’t tell from looking at her because she looks the same as before. She is due in two weeks and I can’t wait to see how she will look after delivery. Talk about mega makeover.
I also had a student who was chubby and one day in November brought me a note to excuse her week of absence, because she had a baby! I never knew. She really didn’t look pregnant and fit right in those little student desks.
Just have to say it is variation.
Posted by: hippie at March 6, 2008 4:20 PM
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Marilyn was very tall and obviously didn’t show. Being a married woman and all, I just don’t get how she didn’t know she was pregnant. Surely she must have felt some movement. Maybe she had the same doctor as my other friend. It’s just gas?
My history teacher was supposed to be enjoyable, but when we came in this semester she was 7 months pregnant. Recently she promised to make the midterm hard because she didn’t think people read the book. She has also generally seemed crazy.
lol just thought I’d share the story since I’m freaking out about it. Fill in the blank, short answer, maps. And the study guide is SUPER long and basically just lists things like
The Eighteenth Century
Voltaire, Rousseau, Robespierre, French Revolution, American Revolution…
Seriously? That is supposed to help me? The French Revolution was 30 pages long by itself, and we got 3 centuries of stuff to cover for 30 questions!
argh
What crap hippie? There is so much crap to choose from.
I don’t like how guys just see women as weak, whiney little children who can’t do anything for themselves. Rudolph… who was he? Some guy who bombed an abortion clinic wrote an essay on how feminism is apparently the devil and ends the essay saying something to the effect of women need men or they’ll self destruct. Anyone want to read it?
Posted by: Jess at March 6, 2008 3:57 PM
Yes Jess, there is way to much to choose from.
I don’t know why some men are so angry at feminism. If that is not their style they can find someone who is. A lot of fish in the sea. Feminism is a reaction to the abuse many women (not all) suffered because of descrimination and being trapped in relationships with creepy men, probably the sort that wrote the essay. Now these guys lament that there are fewer doormats to choose from.
As far as women needing men or even vice versa, I think we all need each other, but hey I wax commie some days.
Seriously? That is supposed to help me? The French Revolution was 30 pages long by itself, and we got 3 centuries of stuff to cover for 30 questions!
argh
Posted by: prettyinpink at March 6, 2008 4:29 PM
Unfortunately not all professors teach or have any talent for it.
Most of my profs were good but I had a couple who did not teach.
One was pretty okay, but I found a quote from him in the city newspaper that used an idea he got from me, so obviously he was still, let’s say, developing.
You have probably figured out by now that profs are like anyone else, just people. Some are more fun than others and most aren’t any smarter than you are, just been around longer and read a few more books.
Hang in there and good luck.
Awww pip, I feel for you.
My biology teacher puts nearly all the questions on his test with the word NOT in them..like what is NOT a property of this or what is NOT etc.,etc…and I don’t know why..but that really pisses me off.
But our essay is take home so then I’m not as pissed off at him then. But those damn what is NOT questions can really screw me up.
MK….where are you??
Elizabeth you live around chicago right?
thanks hippie and elizabeth.
Aww elizabeth that sucks. I always trip up on those kind of questions because sometimes I forget it’s a “not.”
The leading cause of death to pregnant women is a man in this country.
Huh? You mean the leading cause of death is homicide. Men aren’t the only people who commit homicide. There are plenty of women who kill pregnant women to take their babies from them.
Posted by: Elizabeth at March 6, 2008 4:25 PM
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There have been a few instances of this as you say. But think about it Elizabeth. A handful of such instances is far out shadowed by the numbers of women killed by men. Then take into account how many women are beaten but not murdered. I know 3 women that were beaten severely enough to cause miscarriage. One woman was a wife of a minister. None of their husband got more than a night in jail. Does this not outrage you? I find it nothing less that abusive to advocate the illegalization of a woman to determine her own reproductive life. Particularly when those that wish to, care nothing about this plague of violence against women.
Stepping off soapbox.
I believe it is necessary to value the lives of women as a whole before focussing on her uterus.
The leading cause of death to pregnant women is a man in this country. How is this being addressed? By focussing on the dead conceptus. This does nothing to address domestic violence and completely ignores ginormous amounts of women and children that live lives of daily terror.
Posted by: Sally at March 6, 2008 4:22 PM
gotta agree about domestic violence.
There is not enough focus on teaching men to be responsible and caring. Too much emphasis on teaching kids they have the right to whatever they want. I have a friend who volunteers as a court appointed child advocate. Her accounts of people’s attitudes are hard to comprehend.
The longer I live the more I wish girls were less in the workforce and more at home raising children and following their husband’s vote when they voted.
Susan B Anthony said “Give us the vote, we’ll give you socialism.”
That’s coming true and its not a good thing for the USA. Not good at all.
gotta agree about domestic violence.
There is not enough focus on teaching men to be responsible and caring. Too much emphasis on teaching kids they have the right to whatever they want. I have a friend who volunteers as a court appointed child advocate. Her accounts of people’s attitudes are hard to comprehend.
Posted by: Anonymous at March 6, 2008 4:48 PM
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Richardson has done much to educate in our state. We have special DV units trained to determine who the victim is. (Abusives) are very good at playing the victim in front of others. Still, shelters are overcrowded and people in rural areas have little in the way of resources. Couple that with serious DV issues amongst the police themselves and the proclivity for DV in a military community. Well, there just isn’t enough being done.
following their husband’s vote? OMG. speechless
The longer I live the more I wish girls were less in the workforce and more at home raising children and following their husband’s vote when they voted.
Susan B Anthony said “Give us the vote, we’ll give you socialism.”
That’s coming true and its not a good thing for the USA. Not good at all.
Posted by: zeke13:19 at March 6, 2008 4:52 PM
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You’re funny.
There was a ghastly “baby stealing” attempt just last Summer.
The women involved should get life in prison, and this incident should generate a law about who’s entitled to wear low-rise jeans:
http://www.examiner.net/stories/073107/new_188199329.shtml
LOL zeke you are hilarious.
There was a ghastly “baby stealing” attempt just last Summer.
The women involved should get life in prison, and this incident should generate a law about who’s entitled to wear low-rise jeans:
http://www.examiner.net/stories/073107/new_188199329.shtml
Posted by: FetusFascist at March 6, 2008 5:18 PM
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Back in the 80s a whacko performed a c-section on a pregnant woman with a car key here. I can’t remember if she killed her first or not. Gruesome!
not a bad idea Zeke….
Another typical ethical pro-lifer:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-03-06/news/it-s-the-details-of-congressman-rick-renzi-s-indictment-that-may-surprise-you/
“not a bad idea Zeke….”
Jasper, he was joking. Come on, it’s too off the wall even for Zeke. I fell for it too at first. But obviously a joke.
not a bad idea Zeke….
Posted by: jasper at March 6, 2008 5:46 PM
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You are such a card! Did you marry your wife because she has a flat head and you needed a place to set your beer?
ROFL! Sally, that was hilarious. A toast to you with this lovely glass of doppelbock that my husband was kind enough to fetch for me.
ROFL! Sally, that was hilarious. A toast to you with this lovely glass of doppelbock that my husband was kind enough to fetch for me.
Posted by: Hieronymous at March 6, 2008 7:11 PM
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HMMMMMMM! Fetching glass of Cheap Chuck. (Hey it’s 3 bucks at Trader Joes!)
Clink.
“Jasper, he was joking. Come on, it’s too off the wall even for Zeke. I fell for it too at first. But obviously a joke.”
Hmmm, I don’t know, Hal. I’ve heard him say this before, and if you click on his name, you get a broken link to “women & socialism.”
I don’t know Zeke, but there are (sadly) plenty of people who actually believe what he said.
I’m with Bobby…Hal maybe you just haven’t seen the kind of stuff he regularly says. He’s said something similar a few times before.
LOL Sally!
“The longer I live the more I wish girls were less in the workforce and more at home raising children and following their husband’s vote when they voted.”
I just don’t see what so wrong with this statement…whats wrong with women staying at home and raising children? it’s the most important job one can have.. and if they want to follow their husbands vote, so what, maybe they trust their husbands judgement. The father is the leader of the family, and theres nothing wrong with a wife who listens to her husbands advice, and visa-versa.
…their all about choice, as long as it’s the choice they want you to make.
Soon, very soon, Doug, will be defending the anti-Catholic Marcotte, who is banned to obscurity,and help sink the elitist male John Edwards bid to become president.
And why not, Doug offers apologetics for the three generation, anti-Catholic bigot, at this post board named Sad Eyed Sally.
With some good luck, Marcotte might learn that convicting Duke male students of rape just ain’t smart politics.
yllas, the pirate stories were better. As for your fantasies, they may be grand (though perverse) arabesques within your resentful mind, but that is hardly any great concern for the rest of us. Edwards? :: laughing :: Where the heck did that come from?
I believe you are a sexually-repressed echolalic, but we can flame each other ad infinitum and what’s the point, really, then? It is a good thing that abortion is legal and hopefully people like you do not have input into public policy.
Keep that beany propeller speed up.
Doug
Jasper: whats wrong with women staying at home and raising children?
Nothing, if that’s what they want to do. But not everybody is suited to having kids nor wants kids, especially at given times.
The father is the leader of the family, and theres nothing wrong with a wife who listens to her husbands advice, and visa-versa.
There’s not much vice-versa when it’s the woman following her husband’s vote, not the husband following his wife’s vote.
Wait, so the women do the most important job…yet it’s a job that you would never take…Why is that, Jasper? So women have the most important job, yet men are the leaders and decision-makers for the family? If women are given such an important job, why are they not allowed to make their own decisions? If they happen to agree with their husbands politically, fine…they can vote with them. But I daresay that taking an hour outside the home to vote for herself won’t interrupt a woman’s duty, in your eyes, to raise children.
People are only happy when the status quo benefits them and gives them more power over another group of people. You’re happy with your pronouncement, Jasper, because it gives you a boost knowing that you’re the “head” and “leader” of a person you’re supposed to “love” and view as your complete equal- your wife.
Let me see…if i told you this is how I think the world should be…it doesn’t make it anymore right than how you think it should be:
I just don’t see what so wrong with this statement…whats wrong with men staying at home and raising children? it’s the most important job one can have.. and if they want to follow their wife’s vote, so what, maybe they trust their wife’s judgement. The mother is the leader of the family, and theres nothing wrong with a husband who listens to his wife’s advice, and visa-versa.
I’m sure you’d have a problem with that, because it would mean that you have less status as a decision-maker and determiner of your own destiny. Doesn’t it feel shitty to know that your decisions come second after the person who’s supposed to love, support, and view you as a complete EQUAL, and not a submissive?
How the world SHOULD be:
I just don’t see what so wrong with this statement…whats wrong with women and men staying at home equally and raising children? it’s the most important job one can have.. and if they want to follow their hearts and vote for their individual beliefs, so what, maybe they trust their their own individual judgement. The parents equally are leaders of the family, and theres nothing wrong with spouses who listen and value eachother as equals and respect each other’s opinions politically, and visa-versa.
People tend to be afraid of giving other groups power because it diminishes their own. Are you really that afraid to give your own wife the vote, Jasper? Are you so scared that women might have more economic power, more political power, and that it might threaten the monopoly that men have tried so hard over the ages to cement? Try as you might, but you can’t make us believe forever that we’re dependent on you men for societal survival. I certainly would never want to be in a position of dependence on a man like you, because I would lose all self-worth as an autonomous individual. I am so glad, and thank goodness, that you never had a daughter. You’d raise her to think that her only potential was as a housewife (not dissing housewives, just dissing the notion that the position of homemaker is the only ACCEPTABLE career potential for women), that her life depended on her submission and self-sacrifice to a man, and her chief purpose in life was to forsake her other talents to embrace a purely biological life goal to produce as many children as possible. Plus, you’d tell her that she’d be wrong to want anything else. I don’t doubt it.
pip,
I do live about 45 minutes from Chicago..sorry it took me long to respond to that..I was at my bio lab!
The longer I live the more I wish girls were less in the workforce and more at home raising children and following their husband’s vote when they voted.
Ick..not some much at the first part of the statement, because I think being a stay-at-home mom is quite an admirable position in life, and it doesn’t just mean you sit at home with babies climbing all over you all day forever…but following their husband’s vote? wtf?
“The longer I live the more I wish girls were less in the workforce and more at home raising children and following their husband’s vote when they voted.”
I just don’t see what so wrong with this statement…whats wrong with women staying at home and raising children? it’s the most important job one can have.. and if they want to follow their husbands vote, so what, maybe they trust their husbands judgement. The father is the leader of the family, and theres nothing wrong with a wife who listens to her husbands advice, and visa-versa.
…their all about choice, as long as it’s the choice they want you to make.
Posted by: jasper at March 6, 2008 9:42 PM
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Since she has the most important job, you should follow her vote.
The longer I live the more I wish girls were less in the workforce and more at home raising children and following their husband’s vote when they voted.
Elizabeth: Ick..not some much at the first part of the statement, because I think being a stay-at-home mom is quite an admirable position in life, and it doesn’t just mean you sit at home with babies climbing all over you all day forever…but following their husband’s vote? wtf?
Heck, I think it’d be better if husbands followed their wives’ votes.
Abortion is a reflection that we have not met the needs of women.
Sometimes that’s true but other times it’s not like society can really change things – a woman has an unwanted pregnancy and needs an abortion. That’s about it.
“The longer I live the more I wish girls were less in the workforce and more at home raising children and following their husband’s vote when they voted.”
Ok so single Moms can all be welfare Moms?
“I just don’t see what so wrong with this statement…whats wrong with women staying at home and raising children? it’s the most important job one can have..”
I don’t know, I think what Jesus did was more important then just having children.
“and if they want to follow their husbands vote, so what, maybe they trust their husbands judgement. The father is the leader of the family, and theres nothing wrong with a wife who listens to her husbands advice, and visa-versa.”
Yeah why is the husband the leader, the woman’s the one having the children, staying home and raising them. If anything she should have more of a say right? Maybe the husband the should follow the wife’s vote.
Elizabeth, we should chill! I be in chicago from the 14th through the 19th!
“Ok so single Moms can all be welfare Moms?”
They should just buck it up and walk it off!
Doug,a closed minded, pro abortionist who lives at a pro life site spinning his beany for reasons to murder God’s creation in the womb.
And smuggly answering post with his one trick pony logic of never proving a negative.
Always followed with a nope, if, then, to deny a argument in Doug’s closed mind.
And how do we know Doug is a closed mind, unable to accept thoughts against his murderous mind for abortion are true and as valid as his murderous mind ? Because Doug wrote those infamous words of a dead mind that shrivels his ability to progress a inch from his parent’s murderous theology which owns his mind to this day…..”No one has a good argument against abortion, they just think they do”.
Which leaves Doug real reason for posting at Stanek’s site, which is cruising for sexual innuendo’s to and from women.
Gather around women, and see pics of me with my blond hair and square jaw, struting about in my ski outfit in the Alps(or Niagara) when I was a young lion of abortion . And so Doug was, in his youthful days before he just flamed out and became another faithless Protestant, who never really fell far from the fruits of his parent’s murderous Jesus.
Plus Doug has this need to offer apologetics for bigoted anti-Catholics such as Sad Eyed Sally, which comes from actually defending his parent’s religious beliefs founded on anti-Catholicism as a virtue.
So Doug, hoist a Chardonnay to your lips, and wish upon a star, that all you have is your philosophy of pleasure gained and pain denyed by suicide/euthanasia, as millions of Hedonist have done since time began ticking.
Which is why I like you Doug, your easy to understand theologically and philosophically, once one knows your unable to reason outside that box you have been put in by your parent’s religion and Hedonist despair.
Attention: Everyone in the Yllas betting pool-
Tonight’s winning number for “Dougs” in a single post is 9!
Exchange your ticket for a free ewe at the window.
You have that many ewes Laura? ;)
Uh FF,
Isn’t it time to clean out the lion cage?
Or collect some mare urine and send the old mare to Mexico for slaughter?
BTW FF
How does it feel being a mind puppet of Doug day in and day out?
Come on PIP,
Being a professional gunner in class, one would think you could come up with something more then a simple minded reply to FF.
Try again PIP, gun for a compliment from that son of a Methodist preacher boy who worshipped the murderous Jesus as his parent’s did.
Wouldn’t women prefer to stay home with their kids then go work?; that is if their husbands could support the family. I know I would love staying home with the kids if possible.
If you ever find yourself in the unlikely situation of attending a birth, remember you NEVER CUT THE CORD.
Posted by: hippie at March 6, 2008 3:16 PM
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Godd advice hippie. I’ve been at six deliveries and I wouldn’t have though to leave it on unless you know how to clamp it proprely prior to cutting.
yllas said:
Try again PIP, gun for a compliment from that son of a Methodist preacher boy who worshipped the murderous Jesus as his parent’s did.
Posted by: yllas at March 7, 2008 1:05 AM
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yllas, too much sarcasm and too much bigotry. Take a deep breath.
Uh truthseeker,
Tell that to FF and PIP.
I do tell FF that, problem is she like it.
I don’t see it in pip much though.
Anon, 10:29a: Whoops, thanks, corrected.
Which is why I like you Doug, your easy to understand theologically and philosophically
Well, that’s just it, yllas. You don’t understand. You just make up silly, childish stuff in lieu of truth.
I’ve known Laura (FF) a long time and PIP a few months, and you simply should be ashamed.
Captain Spockbeard
“Wouldn’t women prefer to stay home with their kids then go work?; that is if their husbands could support the family. I know I would love staying home with the kids if possible.”
@Truthseeker: No, I wouldn’t prefer to stay at home. I can’t speak for every woman, but I know I do not want to stay home my entire adult life. My mom chose to stay at home because she wanted nothing more but to be a mother and a housewife, and that’s fine.
On the other hand, in the freak event that I do have children I will stay home for the first 5 years or so, to get those kids off to a good start but as soon as they start school I’m going back to work as I’m going to get my PhD and I don’t want to let that degree go to waste. :)
Anywho. :)
lol yllas you are funny.
“Heck, I think it’d be better if husbands followed their wives’ votes.”
That’s the way it happens in my house, and the votes are typically conservative!
S.
Eh, if I had kids, I’d hope that hubby and I would split the raising equally. It’s not fair to women that they be expected to put career on hold while their husbands are allowed to strive for every goal they want. We need, desperately, a system like some of the Norwegian countries have in place….mandatory paid maternity and paternity leave not just for six weeks, but for YEARS. That way, both parents could share equally in a young child’s life, while both are allowed to equally pursue their goals outside the home. I would rather not have children if it means that everything I’ve ever worked for will be put on hold for years. Not that kids aren’t important, but I’m not going to have them just to put my life on hold. Until I’m in a position where my career goals and life are achieved, I’d rather not risk it and have kids. That’s just how I feel about the dismal situation in the US of being a working mother.
BTW FF
How does it feel being a mind puppet of Doug day in and day out?
Posted by: yllas at March 7, 2008 12:49 AM
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“Mind puppet?”
I’m actually Doug’s love slave. As I write this I’m chained to the wall of his basement by one ankle.
I would rather not have children if it means that everything I’ve ever worked for will be put on hold for years. Not that kids aren’t important, but I’m not going to have them just to put my life on hold. Until I’m in a position where my career goals and life are achieved, I’d rather not risk it and have kids.
I’m sorry, Lyssie but then maybe you should never have kids. Because putting other people before yourself means sacrifice. And yes, sometimes, well a lot of times, YOU are the one sacrificing. But it really is for the greater good. It is an extremely important job shaping people so that they can be productive individuals in society. There is NOTHING more important. School will still be there, jobs will still be there, stuff you want to do will still be there, you pretty much have a limited amount of time to watch your children grow, cause they grow and then they’re gone. I really don’t see why you see it as such a suffocating proposition, and I find that sad for you. Because there’s nothing more beautiful than getting a hug and kiss from my baby and seeing how happy she is, and KNOWING it’s because I’m doing good things for her. I know that nothing in my life before EVER gave me that kind of satisfaction or sense of purpose.
Well said, Elizabeth!! Agreed!! :)
Until I’m in a position where my career goals and life are achieved, I’d rather not risk it and have kids.
I’m sorry, Lyssie but then maybe you should never have kids. Because putting other people before yourself means sacrifice. And yes, sometimes, well a lot of times, YOU are the one sacrificing.
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In some circles, not having children until you can provide for them is considered a good thing. Being a positive role model for your kids is important too, and being an academic and professional success will motivate them to do as their mother does. The ability to send your kids to private school and an Ivy League college is important as well. Many public school districts are pointless, and nobody wants their kid to graduate from college $250,000 (OR MORE!) in debt. Waiting to have kids until you can provide them with a comfortable lifestyle IS a selfless act.
What I mean is that when women are expected to make all the career sacrifices and sacrifices of hopes and dreams, while we encourage our boys and men to reach for the stars, we socialize our girls to see their lives in a self-sacrificial light, where the needs of others ALWAYS come before their own. Boys and men are never saddled with that burden. I, for one, am not going to buy into the myth that my goals and dreams come second because of my biological capabilities. I should be able to achieve what I want without having to sacrifice more than my EQUAL partner in a relationship to raise children that are EQUALLY ours.
And FF: studies show that women who wait until their 30’s to bear children, after getting degrees and establishing a career, tend to have children that perform better in school and college. I would much rather give my kids that kind of head start, which also facilitates my goals and dreams, than buy into the notion that I need to have kids right away and put a gap in my career, which often leads to less opportunities in especially the fields I’m interested in-fields that grow and expand everyday and can leave a person behind if you don’t try to keep up.
Waiting to have kids is fine, and kids are not a requirment of leading a fulfilling life, but it is NOT o.k. if it means killing them off until you are ready. The real cause of abortion is pro-aborts sexually hyper-active lifestyles. To them any children conceived are little more then a disposable, unwanted consequence of their
uncontollable drive for sex.
“Waiting to have kids is fine, and kids are not a requirment of leading a fulfilling life, but it is NOT o.k. if it means killing them off until you are ready. ”
Yes, and I think if you know that for a long time you never want children we should definitely hook you up with some long term birth control…very effective.
The real cause of abortion is pro-aborts sexually hyper-active lifestyles. To them any children conceived are little more then a disposable, unwanted consequence of their
uncontollable drive for sex.
Posted by: truthseeker at March 7, 2008 11:38 AM
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When he talks like that it makes me HOT!
pip says:
Yes, and I think if you know that for a long time you never want children we should definitely hook you up with some long term birth control…very effective.
Posted by: prettyinpink at March 7, 2008 12:14 PM
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Hormones to effect your bodies metabolism will likely have unforeseen side-effects…danger
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23468941/
24% more likely to get cancer…
Contraceptive Pill: Cancer Protection
Strong Protection From Ovarian Cancer Gives the Pill Overall Anticancer Effect
By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Medical NewsReviewed by Louise Chang, MDJan 24, 2008 — Oral contraceptives cut women’s risk of ovarian cancer for more than 30 years after they stop taking them — giving the pill a net anticancer effect.
Each five-year interval of oral contraceptive use cuts a woman’s ovarian cancer risk by up to 29%. The longer a woman uses the pill, the lower her risk of ovarian cancer, find Valerie Beral, MD, director of the Cancer Research Epidemiology Unit at Oxford University, England, and colleagues.
“We can say the longer women take it, the longer the protection, which lasts 30 years after they stop,” Beral tells WebMD. “This does outweigh any other cancer risk from taking the pill. So the net effect is to reduce cancer overall. Women on the pill do not need to worry they are putting themselves at long-term risk of cancer.”
It’s been known for a long time that oral contraceptives cut a woman’s lifetime risk of ovarian cancer. It’s also known that the drug increases a woman’s risk of breast and cervical cancer while she’s on the pill. Now Beral and colleagues have been able to put numbers on these risks.
“In breast and cervical cancer there is increased risk, but these effects disappear and are not persistent after a woman discontinues oral contraceptives,” Beral says. “Whereas ovarian cancer protection lasts for decades — into the ages when this cancer becomes more common for a woman.”
Pill’s Anticancer Effect ‘Definitive’
An astonishing amount of data went into the study. Beral and colleagues combined data from 45 high-quality studies that included detailed data on 23,257 women with ovarian cancer and on 87,303 women without ovarian cancer.
They calculate that over the 50 years oral contraceptives have been on the market, the drugs have prevented at least 200,000 ovarian cancers and prevented 100,000 deaths. Because use of the pill is increasing, they predict that the pill will prevent at least 30,000 cases of ovarian cancer each year for the next several decades.
It’s an “unequivocal protective effect,” says Eduardo Franco, DrPH, director of the division of cancer epidemiology at Montreal’s McGill University. Franco’s editorial accompanies the Beral paper in the Jan. 26 issue of The Lancet.
“This study decides once and for all there is a real protective effect against ovarian cancer that is strong and cuts across all demographic groups,” Franco tells WebMD.
Over-the-Counter Birth Control Pills?
Another editorial, by the editors of The Lancet, argues that the time has come for “more widespread over-the-counter access to an agent that can not only prevent cancers but also demonstrably save the lives of tens of thousands of women.”
Beral says the call for over-the-counter availability of oral contraceptives stems from the high rate of teen pregnancy in the U.K. She does not endorse taking birth control pills solely to prevent ovarian cancer.
“People should take the pill for other reasons than cancer prevention,” she says. “But there is a bonus when they do use the pill for these reasons: They will be at reduced risk of cancer.”
Franco, too, says it would be unwise for women to take birth control pills just for cancer prevention.
Franco opposes over-the-counter availability of oral contraceptives.
“There are harmful effects from oral contraceptives as well as good ones. It is a balancing act between risks and benefits,” he says. “That is why it is a prescription medication. Women who take oral contraceptives should be monitored, and there is advice that goes with prescribing them. It is not a simple matter, so a doctor has to be part of the equation.”
Feminism is a sin. It is wrong because it is a rebellion against authority. Feminism is not about women’s rights, or equality, it’s about rebellion against God’s Word.
Her Jasper –
Do you know this guy?:
http://www.zombietime.com/walk_for_life/IMG_4465.JPG
jasper, you are a constant source of joy and amusement.
“Feminism is a sin. It is wrong because it is a rebellion against authority.”
This country was founded by a rebellion against authority. (and an authority who asserted he ruled by the devine right of God Himself)
I swear you guys sound like you’re stuck in the 1400s sometimes.
jasper, would you be a doll and post my links on the scopes page?
ok, all set PIP. :)
Thanks!
“Feminism is a sin. It is wrong because it is a rebellion against authority. Feminism is not about women’s rights, or equality, it’s about rebellion against God’s Word.”
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Wow.
I have no words.
Will Amanda decry female feticide in China, India, and Pakistan? How can she? By so doing she would admit preborns are human. Can’t go there.
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Where does this idiocy come from? How can anyone draw conclusions this absurd and idiotic? Back to the idiotic lies antichoicers have to tell – if the truth suited their agenda they wouldnt have to make up moronic garbage like this.
Those ‘gave birth and never realized she was pregnant’ stories always amaze me. When I was pregnant I looked like I needed to be wrapped in wet towells and towed into deeper water. Just imagine the conversation the woman is going to have when her husband, boyfriend, or even parent asks ‘What did you do today?’
Those ‘gave birth and never realized she was pregnant’ stories always amaze me. When I was pregnant I looked like I needed to be wrapped in wet towells and towed into deeper water. Just imagine the conversation the woman is going to have when her husband, boyfriend, or even parent asks ‘What did you do today?’
Posted by: TexasRed at March 7, 2008 3:59 PM
No kidding…I gained 50 pounds with each kid. Happily, I lost all but 10, which I actually needed because I was too skinny.
I had a friend from high school who got pregnant her first year away at college. She spotted or had partial periods about the right time every month, and she claims til this day that she had no idea she was pregnant. She went WATERSKIING the day she went into labor. That’s pretty much the only reason I believe that she didn’t know.
“Wow.
I have no words.”
I know, it’s like Twight Zone around here some days. Most days.
@Hal: Sometimes the Twilight Zone makes more sense… :-p
In some circles, not having children until you can provide for them is considered a good thing. Being a positive role model for your kids is important too, and being an academic and professional success will motivate them to do as their mother does. The ability to send your kids to private school and an Ivy League college is important as well. Many public school districts are pointless, and nobody wants their kid to graduate from college $250,000 (OR MORE!) in debt. Waiting to have kids until you can provide them with a comfortable lifestyle IS a selfless act.
FF…I never said that it wasn’t a selfless thing being able to provide your children with a comfortable lifestyle. I do believe that helping your children have more than you did IS being selfless. That’s what I’m working towards now anyway: Being able to stand on my own two feet with my daughter by my side. I know that some day she’ll look at me and be proud because I took the hard road for her. I didn’t have to. I could have had an abortion and I didn’t have to tell anybody about it. But I didn’t, I chose to walk the other way, because I believe that I CAN make a great life for us and that I WILL.
What I mean is that when women are expected to make all the career sacrifices and sacrifices of hopes and dreams, while we encourage our boys and men to reach for the stars, we socialize our girls to see their lives in a self-sacrificial light, where the needs of others ALWAYS come before their own. Boys and men are never saddled with that burden. I, for one, am not going to buy into the myth that my goals and dreams come second because of my biological capabilities. I should be able to achieve what I want without having to sacrifice more than my EQUAL partner in a relationship to raise children that are EQUALLY ours.
Lyssie, I love you to death. But why do you seem to think that being a parent or having kids isn’t “reaching for the stars?” For some people it is. Some people would love nothing more than to be a parent and have a baby. Why do you view that as something that is less than what it is you want to do with your life? The stories that we hear about that are the most heartwarming seem to be the ones where people sacrifice for OTHERS. Why is that?
And to be honest, you sacrificing based on your biological capabilities happens the moment you become pregnant. So, until men are able to birth children, you’re pretty much screwed there. Your husband/significant other won’t be able to take over the morning sickness, cramps, constant urination, and pushing the kid out your hoo-ha for you..there are just some things about men and women that ARE different and you won’t be able to change that. Also, women just seem to be more nurturing and patient which tends to be why they play a larger role in the parenting, because when you have children, especially young children, lots of nurturing/patience is necessary. This is not to say that there aren’t men who wouldn’t be well-suited for being nurturing caregivers, but having carried the baby in your body for 9 months and then going through childbirth, I just imagine that the mother will ALWAYS have a closer bond. When something is LITERALLY a part of your body, you will always have a bigger attachment to it IMO.
Well that just it Doug,
Your right, your always right, since your the only person who knows you, and you always know your right about yourself. And the number one reason your always right in your mind NPD Doug,……..drum roll ……..”Cause no one has a good argument against abortion, they just think they do”. Your a simple minded Hedonist, who was raised by Protestants that worshiped a murderous TULIP God. At best you tryed to escape their stern, unforgiving, murderous,TULIP God, by becoming a non-doubting pro abortionist. Can’t blame ya Doug for escaping such theological thinking of your parent’s and striking out into the world being a person who absolutely knows, he does not know or know anything about the mind invention known as God,force,spirit,etc. And since the only thing Doug knows absolutely, is himself, he absolutely must know he is always right about himself in all matters Dougish. Let’s see, for Doug it is as simple as giving Doug some pain and watching him doubt his mind made doubting conscience, and apply some pleasure and watching Doug move his head up and down as a bobble dog does. That and being a defender of anti-Catholic bigots named Sad Eyed Sally.
Ps. I hope that Fetus Fascist mind puppet counts those “you’s and your’s” in this post since is makes her mind relax from all that going around is coming around, simple philosophic thinking.
Laura: “Mind puppet?” I’m actually Doug’s love slave. As I write this I’m chained to the wall of his basement by one ankle.
Shhh..! You’re going to inflame the sexually-repressed yllas even more.
And, pass me that other ankle…..
no one has a good argument against abortion, they just think they do
Well yeah, yllas, that was my opinion, in response to a question. Why should a given person, you, for example, be able to tell a pregnant woman what to do? I don’t think you should be.
You are welcome to your likes and dislikes, and your feelings about abortion, but in no way do you present any rational argument against abortion, nor even the slightest hint of a good reason to take away the freedom that women have in the matter.
You are more into trying to canonize yourself as Saint Fruitballoon. You have fruitifed yourself in a sanctimony of self-fruitification.
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for Doug it is as simple as giving Doug some pain
No, it’s about more wanting women to have the legal freedoms they do now, versus having every single pregnancy necessarily continue.
Don’t you like Methodists? You greatly overstate the influence of religion in my life, i.e. my dad didn’t start going to a Methodist church until he was around 50 years old.
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defender of anti-Catholic bigots
Again, this is just incredible irony, coming from you.
You rant and rave about atheists, Protestants, agnostics, members of other religions, really – anybody from outside your own little “tribe.” By far, if there is a “bigot” on this message board, it is you. Pro-lifers as well as Pro-choicers see this, and both have commented upon it.
“Feminism is a sin. It is wrong because it is a rebellion against authority.”
This country was founded by a rebellion against authority. (and an authority who asserted he ruled by the devine right of God Himself)
Posted by: Hal at March 7, 2008 1:03 PM
Okay, I have to agree with Hal on this one.
Poor Doug,
Since no one has a good argument against abortion and just imagine they do, what are you doing here Doug?
1. Preaching to convert others to your judgement for abortion?
2. You enjoy talking about yourself to strangers and post self flattering pics of yourself when you were a young lion for abortion, but not a current pic from severe vanity.
3. You must repeat your personal judgement to others, that you have made a personal judgement that women can kill their off spring, from just being able to kill their off spring.
4. Your a relative of Jill Stanek helping her as a schill for the murder of human beings.
5. Your still under the sway of your parent’s all knowing, murderous God, and think others are being bigots, when they state that Protestants have allowed the murder of God’s creation in the womb for their health,wealth, and power of the will,given by the murderous God, to murder his creation in the womb. And will announce themselves, as just doing the will of god, from God knowing they were going to murder his creation in the womb before it was formed. Hence, no regret, no sorrow, no guilty conscience, just as you are Doug, about abortion. You learned and are boxed in to your parent’s murderous god to this day, Doug. And that jack, is a fact.
6. All of the above reasons.
But, I like you Doug, even if your too dumb to understand that I am making up a God version, based upon your own ideas about God. I thought you might catch on and figure it out that I am feeding you your version of God which is based in the same logic as Fred Phelps, who is a raving TULIP Calvinist, as you were taught as a child.
Your really that damn slow Doug.
Poor Amanda is in bondage. She barred me from her site after I attempted to post 1 comment. She has the mouth of a truck driver. This should be all the birth control she’ll ever need in life.
Amanda, I can assure you that I am not an old bat.
yllas: Since no one has a good argument against abortion and just imagine they do, what are you doing here Doug?
Shooting fish in a barrel, in your case? ; ) Or, just havin’ fun.
How ’bout some more pirate stories?
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And.. No, you’re not “making up a God version” based on what I’ve said, you’re just engaging in the same silliness that is usually your approach, made up in your own mind. If you want to be serious for a change and actually look at some if/then deals based on what some people say about a god, fine and dandy, but let’s be honest about it.
What I’ve said is that I more want women to keep the freedom they have, rather than have every single pregnancy be continued, necessarily. You don’t have any good argument against that, no.
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You rant and rave about atheists, Protestants, agnostics, members of other religions, really – anybody from outside your own little “tribe.” By far, if there is a “bigot” on this message board, it is you. Pro-lifers as well as Pro-choicers see this, and both have commented upon it.
You talk about “pain,” but you’re the one whining and moaning about other people. Meanwhile, abortion is legal and that is a good thing. You don’t have input into public policy to the extent that your desire is enforced on pregnant women, and that is a very, very good thing.
Doug