I said what?
Archie will love this attention. It may give his blog a much needed traffic bump.
Again, here’s what I actually wrote.
What the heck. I’m in a sharing mood today. Below is one of the more amusing samples of malignments I receive. It appears Alex considers me both a witch and a witch killer. And this line was… well… indescribable in unmalignable terms: “What part of having an abortion means that the woman believes her child is unworthy of birth?”…
Alex spent much of his email critiquing ProChoice.com, of which he thinks I’m a part after apparently stumbling on this post. I removed all that.
Jul.24, 2008 7:56 am |
MSM anti-life bias |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Its times like this when I miss those strong pro-life female friends of mine who would respond with “Shutup, men shouldn’t have a say!” ;)
lol… but you do mean “pro-choice,” right? If so, I’ll edit your post.
“What part of having an abortion means that the woman believes her child is unworthy of birth?”
Well that should go down in history…I’m still laughing!
I’m pretty sure believing that said child is unworthy of birth is the DEFINITION of abortion!
Ahhhhhh…that’s a good one.
Jill, nope there was no mistake there. I had several pro-life female friends who, when approached by pro-choice males, would use that argument against them. This served to anger, confuse, and silence the guys, because one of the primary excuses amongst pro-choice males is “well its a women’s issue and we shouldn’t have a say.”
You couldn’t help but laugh watching them do it :)
Exactly PLA! That actually shows what a ridiculous argument it is in the first place.
Ah, now I get it! Sorry you had to explain, PLA… :)
Ditto MK!
Jill,
I think you are a faaaabulous writer and always enjoy your posts. Of course the topic drew me to this site originally, but your writing style kept me coming back!
How heartless of you to want to stop the senseless killing of babies.
I think Alex should go back to composition 101 and brush up on his penmanship skills. His entire e-mail is quite funny and really quite sad at the same time.
And why are pro-aborts so obsessed with the “what if your teen daughter was raped” argument? “Would you FORCE her to carry a child?”
What’s being forced? A scumbag forces himself on a girl, and a pro-abort’s solution is to FORCE the daughter into an abortion… as so many teenagers are. The presumption in such a stupid question is that the victim is being raised in an unloving home and that her parents never taught her to respect all innocent life. It’s the people who pose this question that, in my opinion, would lean on their daughters into killing her child.
He does realize he screwed up his first sentence, right?
Sandy, thanks… :) Heartless just like you, right?
Awww Sandy,
Thanks. I just assumed this post was for comic relief…lol.
Count me in the heartless group.
Jill,
Yes we are a heartless bunch of meanies.
I wonder if Alex has ever spent any amount of time in an heartless abortion clinic, counted pieces of the babies that have been torn apart, dismembered and sucked out of a mother’s womb?
I wonder if he has ever been present during a partial birth abortion to witness an innocent baby being ripped from the womb then stabbed in the back of the head just to have it’s brains sucked out by a heartless abortionist?
I love being in the heartless group!!
Great company!
“What part of having an abortion means that the woman believes her child is unworthy of birth?”
I love this line, too, MK!!.
How about the part where the baby gets sucked from the mother’s womb is the point at which the mother believes her child is unworthy of birth?! What is Alex thinking?
Jill, I think you are great!
JIll,
You should print his letter, frame it and hang it on a wall…this is priceless!!!
“…heartless woman who support the belief that abortion is evil”
Man, if the Devil’s Masterpiece isn’t evil…I don’t know what is…looks like the Father of Lies found another follower.
RSD – could you please email me at chris@jillstanek.com – thanks.
(I’m working on a system bug.)
Ooh!! Pick me!! Pick me!! I am as heartless as all of the above commenters!! Really, I am!!
Carla, LOL!
ALL – Such a serious topic at hand, and yet, my laughter does not cease! How could this be?!
SO GOOD to read your comments and see that Alex’s chaotic “thinking” process has provided comedy gratis for virtually all. Finding amusement in reading about Jill’s heartlessness et al WAS troubling me — I’m okay now!
For mega comedy relief, I sure would like Ann Coulter to chew this up and see what SHE produces!
ALEX – Btw, you wrote to Jill: You are a awful woman….and then focused on, according to you, her lack of literary skills. Alex, please know “You are AN awful woman” would be correct. That’s all!
What part of having an abortion means that the woman believes her child is unworthy of birth?”
PERFECT example of proabort/liberal logic at it’s FINEST!
Love it and love that damn awful woman, Miss Jill!
wow, this guy is really delusional…
What part of having an abortion means that the woman believes her child is unworthy of birth?”
Wow.
A scumbag forces himself on a girl, and a pro-abort’s solution is to FORCE the daughter into an abortion… as so many teenagers are.
If somebody would actually be “pro-abortion,” that is one thing, and there are some situations where most people would think that ending the pregnancy is the best thing.
But pro-choicers aren’t going to be for forcing a teenager to have an abortion due to being raped, nor would be for forcing women to end pregnancies on the basis of rape.
Doug,
This happens all the time. Women are psychologically forced into abortion because no one can phathom a woman wanting to carry a baby conceived out of a rape. Many women have stated they feel violated one more time after going through an abortion they didn’t really want but felt no other choice.
Sandy, that’s just not true. Lots of people, both pro-life and pro-choice, can fathom a woman wanting to continue a pregenancy due to rape.
It’s up to the woman, and pro-choicers are not in conflict with that.
What part of having an abortion means that the woman believes her child is unworthy of birth?”
What is operative is that the woman doesn’t want to have a child, at this time and in this situation, anyway. Does unwanted mean the same thing as “unworthy”? I would say obviously not, because the same fetus, in a different situation, might well be wanted.
Sorry for the mispell. Should have read my post first. I will write fathom 100 times on the black board.
Doug,
Of course pro-life groups would fully support a woman who experiences rape and wants to continue the pregnancy.
The pro-abort mantra used all the time is… what about a woman who gets raped?????
I don’t doubt there are women who would have a hard time carrying a child conceived from rape, but when the pro-abort mantra continually uses rape as their one of their main messages in keeping abortion legal, it is pretty hard to ignore the magnitude of the message and what is behind the message.
If a woman doesn’t want a child and has an abortion for that reason, I would venture to say that she doesn’t deem the child worthy of being born. I don’t see your logic, Doug.
Doug,
Worthy:
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Control her sexuality? Yes! Easy! Be celibate.
Hi Frank and welcome.
Come here often?
The pro-abort mantra used all the time is… what about a woman who gets raped?????
Sandy, if you actually have somebody that is “pro-abortion,” then that’s not the same as for Pro-Choicers.
Rape is a topic, sure, but it’s not the main deal in this argument, and in no way is it any “mantra.”
Eileen: If a woman doesn’t want a child and has an abortion for that reason, I would venture to say that she doesn’t deem the child worthy of being born. I don’t see your logic, Doug.
It’s not a matter of “worth” on the part of the unborn, Eileen, in the first place. The same baby, under different circumstances, might be wanted very much by the same woman. It’s not the unborn, necessarily, it’s the situation.
Doug, Worthy: wor
Bethany, no – it’s up to the woman. Not inherently valuable does not mean “unworthy of being born.
If they’re not inherently valuable, and a woman doesn’t deem them useful/valuable enough to give birth to them, then yes, Doug, she deems them unworthy to be born. Why in the world do you even argue this?
It’s not a matter of “worth,” necessarily. A given woman at age 17, for example, might not want to have a baby, while at age 27 it could be a different story, no difference, necessarily, in the baby, and the woman not saying the baby is any different then. It’s not a matter of her making any pronouncement of valuation, just her either wanting to remain pregnant/wanting a baby or not.
not wanting to have the baby- then deciding not to give the birth to the baby because the woman deems the baby not useful to her at the time, means that she deems the baby unworthy to be birthed. Sorry, Doug, what you said makes no sense at all.
Why does there have to be an official “pronouncement of valuation”, in order for the woman to deem the child unworthy to be born?
Come on.
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Bethany, you explain it so well… :)
:)
“Bethany, no – it’s up to the woman. Not inherently valuable does not mean “unworthy of being born.”
Bethany: If they’re not inherently valuable, and a woman doesn’t deem them useful/valuable enough to give birth to them, then yes, Doug, she deems them unworthy to be born. Why in the world do you even argue this?
Because “unworthy” is not what is operative. If she doesn’t want to have a baby (any baby) right then, it’s not a pronouncement that no baby is wanted, that babies aren’t “valuable,” but rather just that she doesn’t want one in the particular situation. It’s really not about the baby – if it was a different one it would likely make no difference – it’s about the situation.
She might even feel that “inherently valuable” applies, but not enough to outweigh the other things she is taking into consideration.
Why does there have to be an official “pronouncement of valuation”, in order for the woman to deem the child unworthy to be born? Come on.
Because that “deem” is the premise that was stated, and that’s not necessarily what is going on.
Not wanting a baby is not the same thing as saying, “This baby is unworthy, as opposed to other babies.” It could be but it’s not necessarily so.
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keep in mind or convey as a conviction or view; “take for granted”; “view as important”; “hold these truths to be self-evident”
And if a woman wants to end a pregnancy, it’s not because she is saying all babies are no good, no baby is any good, etc., it’s just that she doesn’t want a baby in her particular situation. She is not making any “unworthy” deeming, but rather just not wanting the baby then.
The same baby, at a different time, could well be wanted a lot more and/or enough to continue the pregnancy. Thus, it’s not the baby, it’s not saying “this baby is unworthy;” it’s the situation.
The same baby, at a different time, could well be wanted a lot more and/or enough to continue the pregnancy. Thus, it’s not the baby, it’s not saying “this baby is unworthy;” it’s the situation.
Posted by: Doug at July 29, 2008 10:14 AM
The point you seem to miss, Doug, is that each baby only gets ONE chance at LIFE. They are not fungible goods to be taken out of a bin as needed.
By aborting, you are exactly saying THIS baby is not wanted or worthy of my time or resources at this point in time.
THIS BABY.
You can’t have the same baby at a different time. Later on it’s a different BABY, The first one is GONE!!!!! I know what you mean, but it’s not right to think that way. It’s WRONG!!!!!!! It’s wrong to say, “No thanks, I’ll pass on this one. Maybe later”.