Pray for Tuesday
Leslie Hanks is a dear friend of mine and friend of this blog. She posts comments here using the moniker, “lesforlife.” She is an integral part of American Right to Life and also runs the Passionate Prolifer blog.
Leslie’s family has recently received unfathomable news about one of her 22-month-3-year-old twin granddaughters, Tuesday. As her friend Judy explained in an email:
Tuesday… has just been diagnosed with adrenal cancer and is sufffering through chemotherapy since the tumor is inoperable.
Leslie came and ministered with us one day at Alternatives and soon afterward that killing kafe closed. Leslie boldly confronted Quennie DeHaan with her camera and asked him pointedly how he could do what he did. 85-year-old Quennie responded in a smart-a** manner but, it was apparent he had not been face to face with boldness like Les presented to this hired killer. I am convinced that it was just one more straw that caused this abortuary to close its doors and it remains that way to this day….
Now this fearless grandma needs our prayers to bring complete healing to Tuesday. Confront death on Tuesday’s behalf, if you would. Pray that she will only be a short time in ICU and be able to come back to her happier room at the hospital where all her “stuff” is. Pray for her mom and dad that they will experience that “peace that passes ALL understanding” that we have all seen born out in so many God-situations.
What a wonderful “earthly” reward it would be if the Lord would restore total health to Tuesday and honor this faithful “grandma” to so many little lives who have lived because she pled for their lives.
Leslie emailed me the photo of Tuesday in ICU, attached to an IV.
Please join me in praying for Tuesday and her family.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I wish her a quick and complete recovery.
There are some things a child should never have to deal with.
Will do, Jill.
Please note the irony of the lead article on the “Passionate Prolifer”, where Mrs. Hanks celebrates the tragic death of a Planned Parenthood guard.
I wish the child a full recovery, and trust that no one would display the hate toward her that her grandmother shows for Mr. Roebuck.
Maybe this is God’s way of showing her and her family born people are just as special as unborn people.
Doesn’t Lesforlife believe that a mother should die rather then abort a baby? I hope we can all learn that *every* life is precious, not just the life of the unborn.
I will certainly keep Tuesday and her family in my thoughts.
” I hope we can all learn that *every* life is precious, not just the life of the unborn.”
Amen Jess.
PPC,
I fail to see how Leslie “celebrated” Stan’s death.
A celebration would mean, “Hey! Guess what? Stanny boy has kicked the bucket! Party at my house.”
Rejoicing is nowhere in her article. I got the sense of regret; it was regrettable that for Stan, it was too late.
“The state of Colorado brought the abortion holocaust to America on April 25, 1967. Governor “Duty to Die” Dick Lamm, then a state representative, carried the first in the nation abortion law for rape, incest and life of the mother.”
http://lesforlife.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2003-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2004-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=2
She couldn’t even comprehend what it was like to be in my families situation. How would she like it if a bunch of people started protesting chemotherapy and killed doctors and nurses who tried to help her grand daughter, if people celebrated her grand daughters because she was denied chemotherapy. That’s what it’s like when you have a person who is in a situation where it’s abort or die.
No mention of prayers for the two people killed and several wounded in the UU Church shooting during a children’s choir rehearsal yesterday?
The motive of the shooter? He hated liberals and blamed them for all of his problems in life. Boy does that sound familiar.
Jill doesn’t need to mention it on her blog for me to be praying. I have already been doing that for those that were killed and injured in the shooting.
Name some names, Amanda. Who blames liberals for all of the problems in their life?
Patricia said women can’t go out on dates without guys pressuring them for sex because so many women don’t wait for marriage. Maybe if you had something to offer besides sex (like a nice personality) guys wouldn’t be pressuring you all the time.
Jess,
Maybe women are looking for men in the wrong places?
Amanda: 12:39: No mention of prayers for the two people killed and several wounded in the UU Church shooting during a children’s choir rehearsal yesterday?
I think you just did. God bless all those involved.
The motive of the shooter? He hated liberals and blamed them for all of his problems in life. Boy does that sound familiar.
Can’t argue with you there. It was a horrible thing to do.
RSD I met a guy at work so I know he has a job.
God bless Tuesday and her family. I can’t help but ask, what is her twin’s name?? Monday or Wednesday?
“Patricia said women can’t go out on dates without guys pressuring them for sex because so many women don’t wait for marriage. Maybe if you had something to offer besides sex (like a nice personality) guys wouldn’t be pressuring you all the time.”
Posted by: Jess at July 28, 2008 12:54 PM
Thank you once again Jess, for your characteristically derogatory post.
Maybe many guys don’t care whether a woman has a nice personality or not since they are simply looking for a woman who’s on the pill (not hard to find) so they can get their kicks, eh? Ya think that just might be a possibility?
BTW, Jess – I don’t date. I expect to be courted.:-P
Jill, we will keep Tuesday in our family prayers. I agree it is truly terrible to watch how some of this little ones suffer through such terrible illnesses.
We just attended a huge party held by a family who’s daughter is in remission from aplastic anemia. She has had 2 bone marrow transplants and 2 or 3 doses of chemo. She is 14 this year – the same age as my Rebecca. Rebecca is thrilled to be attending school with her “old” skating buddy. Prayer made the difference- I’m sure of it!
Jess, just wondering why in a post about a little girl who is suffering so much, you chose to pick out an acrimonious thread and run with it?
“Maybe this is God’s way of showing her and her family born people are just as special as unborn people.”
Are you suggesting that God is punishing Leslie’s family for her unwavering prolife stance? I certainly hope not.
BTW, Jess – I don’t date. I expect to be courted.:-P
What’s the difference?
Maybe this is God’s way of showing her and her family born people are just as special as unborn people.
Doesn’t Lesforlife believe that a mother should die rather then abort a baby? I hope we can all learn that *every* life is precious, not just the life of the unborn.
Posted by: Jess at July 28, 2008 11:59 AM
Jess,
Have you changed your abortion stance to pro-life?
“Are you suggesting that God is punishing Leslie’s family for her unwavering prolife stance? I certainly hope not.”
I certainly hope not as well, but that comment is incredibly ironic coming from you, seeing as you pratically peed your pants with glee upon hearing about Ted Kennedy’s equally grim diagnosis.
“BTW, Jess – I don’t date. I expect to be courted.:-P
What’s the difference?
Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella’s Momma) at July 28, 2008 2:15 PM
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I guess, it’s the goal.
Courting means the goal is for a long-term, serious and mature relationship..AKA…Marriage
Dating – goal short term relationship…could be serious, could be a “fling”, could be a “filler” after a lost “love”, just for “kicks”…and sometimes(rarely) could end up in marriage…
The motive of the shooter? He hated liberals and blamed them for all of his problems in life. Boy does that sound familiar.
Posted by: Amanda at July 28, 2008 12:39 PM
Amanda,
How’s this for a generalization.
It is really liberals who have the market on blaming conservatives for all the problems in their lives. Liberals NEVER want to take responsibility for their own actions. They rely on the government to force taxpayers to cough up money to solve their own personal problems.
Sound familiar??
Grow up and quit generalizing.
“Patricia said women can’t go out on dates without guys pressuring them for sex because so many women don’t wait for marriage. Maybe if you had something to offer besides sex (like a nice personality) guys wouldn’t be pressuring you all the time.”
Posted by: Jess at July 28, 2008 12:54 PM
Jess,
You are pathetic.
BTW, Jess – I don’t date. I expect to be courted.:-P
What’s the difference?
Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella’s Momma) at July 28, 2008 2:15 PM
What do you think the difference would be Elizabeth? Just curious?
Ummm. Okay? How am I generalizing? It was ONE person. That was his motive. HE SAID IT. I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at, or if you’re just trying to pick a fight or needed an excuse to make a whole bunch of stupid baseless generalizations yourself.
Either way though, the completley unneccesary insult is appreciated as always, but I’m enjoynig my twenties quite a bit and am in no hurry to become older. =)
I always thought they were the same thing to be honest. Dating was the “courting” period of the relationship I guess. The getting to know each other to see if this person was what you wanted out of a long-term partner. I never thought there was much of a difference, only that the terms are different now. (As in, courting is now called dating)
“Are you suggesting that God is punishing Leslie’s family for her unwavering prolife stance? I certainly hope not.”
I certainly hope not as well, but that comment is incredibly ironic coming from you, seeing as you pratically peed your pants with glee upon hearing about Ted Kennedy’s equally grim diagnosis.
Posted by: Amanda at July 28, 2008 2:22 PM
Ah yes, the second derogatory sister is back. One is never without the other!
That is YOUR interpretation, once again, of my post Amanda. Thank-you again for speaking for me, as you always (falsely) do!
I merely wish for justice in the case of Mr. Ted Kennedy either in this life (apparently NOT going to happen) or for sure in the next life. I think Ted Kennedy’s life speaks quite well for itself.
Elizabeth – same. I think its just a generational thing. If someone our age, no matter how serious they were about someone, said they were “courting” everyone would laugh their butts off at them. =)
Jess, you must be either a very bitter or ignorant person to make such a horrible statement about this lady and her family. The reason she is prolife is because she considers ALL life precious born and unborn. I think you should be banned for a few days from this blog for such a mean statement and you should apologize. Although we do not talk about it, prolifers like myself and (I would venture to guess) like lesforlife have given untold hours and many other resources to charitable causes that help mothers and their children. Although I do not know lesforlife personally, over the years of working with people in this movement I have observed them giving sacrificially of their time, energy, money and devotion to help others year after year. Her condemning those who promote murder of the unborn is not the same as wishing harm to pro-choicers. God help you Jess. I will pray for you.
Elizabeth – same. I think its just a generational thing. If someone our age, no matter how serious they were about someone, said they were “courting” everyone would laugh their butts off at them. =)
Posted by: Amanda at July 28, 2008 2:40 PM
In fact, YOU are out of touch. Courting has come back in vogue among singles of ALL ages, but not in your set.:-D
Not this time Patricia, you actually said you were glad he was finally going to get what he deserved. There isn’t much room for interpretation there. I guess you just think you get to pick and choose who’s illnesses you think are deserved, and who’s are not.
Patricia,
Wouldn’t you rather hope that he repents for his sins and is saved and then can have eternal life in heaven? That would seem the better option, rather than wishing ill will upon someone, no matter what they’ve done in their life.
Amanda,
Your comment:
“Boy does that sound familiar.” Sounds like a generalization.
” And just when we might be getting rid of Ted Kennedy too!”
“Not at all Hal.
I see it as Ted Kennedy finally getting his just reward!”
“I see nothing wrong in justice finally being done in a circumstance where so much evil has been perpetrated by one human being.”
– Patricia, May 19th and May 20th
Kindly explain in what way I misinterpreted any of these statements…
Wouldn’t it be ironic (and wonderful) if Mrs. Hank’s grandchild’s life were saved by medical technology arising from stem cell research, which she opposes, or by a gay oncologist or medical researcher?
There is a lesson to be learned- be reluctant to condemn people and science, you may need them!
“”Boy does that sound familiar.” Sounds like a generalization. ”
A generalization of who?
A generalization of what?
Amanda,
Got disrupted.
I believe by you posting what you did was your way of picking a fight. Don’t deny it. You started it, you asked for it.
Picking a fight with WHO? What are you even talking about? Deny what? What did I deny??? What did I start?
Wouldn’t it be ironic (and wonderful) if Mrs. Hank’s grandchild’s life were saved by medical technology arising from stem cell research, which she opposes, or by a gay oncologist or medical researcher?
There is a lesson to be learned- be reluctant to condemn people and science, you may need them!
Posted by: PPC at July 28, 2008 2:55 PM
PPC,
Hilarrrrrrioussssss!
Just think of all the aborted babies who could have been medical researchers, oncologists, radiologists, pathologists, ect…. who may have learned ways to combat this cancer years ago had their lives not been snuffed out.
There is a lesson to be learned- be reluctant to support the killing of innocent babies, you may need them!
Patricia,
Wouldn’t you rather hope that he repents for his sins and is saved and then can have eternal life in heaven? That would seem the better option, rather than wishing ill will upon someone, no matter what they’ve done in their life.
Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella’s Momma) at July 28, 2008 2:45 PM
Absolutely Elizabeth, but I don’t think that is going to happen.I think Mr. Kennedy’s heart is a very hard one indeed. I don’t personally wish him physical or spiritual harm – but I do wish for justice to be done. Unfortunately, there is very little justice in this world (perhaps thankfully too!) and am quite willing to leave this to God alone.
And Amanda I meant every word I posted – Ted Kennedy has done great harm to America, and IMO, has worked on the side of evil. He will be personally responsible and answerable for the deaths of countless unborn babies whom he had a duty to protect, (even more so as a “practicing” Catholic), but whom he abandoned.
It is not wrong to want justice done in this world:
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.
May God Bless and look over this little girl.
LOL Patricia,
If you meant every word you said, I didn’t misinterpret you at all!! So… apology accepted! Thank you!
I believe by you posting what you did was your way of picking a fight. Don’t deny it. You started it, you asked for it.
Posted by: Sandy at July 28, 2008 2:58 PM
I’m with you on this one Sandy and thanks for the supportive posts.
No mention of prayers for the two people killed and several wounded in the UU Church shooting during a children’s choir rehearsal yesterday?
The motive of the shooter? He hated liberals and blamed them for all of his problems in life. Boy does that sound familiar.
Posted by: Amanda at July 28, 2008 12:39 PM
Amanda,
Your above post has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. The snide manner in which you brought up this current tragedy was my first clue.
“Boy does that sound familiar” as a follow-up comment to why this man shot two people seemed sarcastic. Your underlying purpose in this statement seems to indicate that conservatives tend to be gun toting nutjobs that blame liberals for their problems and then go ablazing with pistols. Am I interpreting you incorrectly? Please explain.
Amanda
I issue no apology. You have misinterpreted my posts. Once again.
I did not revel in Mr K’s misfortune. You merely wish to portray prolifers as hard a$$ unsympathetic persons with no heart. That sounds like a liberal to me.
“If someone our age, no matter how serious they were about someone, said they were “courting” everyone would laugh their butts off at them. =)
Posted by: Amanda at July 28, 2008 2:40 PM”
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Amanda (and Elizabeth)…the main difference between Dating and Courtship is that RESPECT (for both people) is mandatory during courtship…
“Amanda,
Your above post has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. The snide manner in which you brought up this current tragedy was my first clue.”
Right. Thats snide – and you telling me to grow up and calling Jess pathetic was…what exactly??
I am a UU, have been all my life, so its a pretty big deal to me, which is why I brought it up. If thats “snide” and your comments aren’t, well then I guess you’re using some new kind of dictionary I’ve never seen.
“Your underlying purpose in this statement seems to indicate that conservatives tend to be gun toting nutjobs that blame liberals for their problems and then go ablazing with pistols. Am I interpreting you incorrectly? Please explain.”
LOLOLOLOL – Excuse me? Please indicate where I mentioned ANYTHING about conservatives or “gun toting nutjobs”. Kindly realize that every single word there came from YOUR mouth, not a SINGLE word from mine. So that is entirely your interpretation, and its quite silly.
” And just when we might be getting rid of Ted Kennedy too!”
“Not at all Hal.
I see it as Ted Kennedy finally getting his just reward!”
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“I did not revel in Mr K’s misfortune. ”
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA… oooooooooooookey dokey!!!!
I don’t understand this whole courtship thing. My husband and I dated for six years before we got married. During those six years he was nothing but respectful to me, my body, and my feelings, as I was to him. I never would have called our relationship “courting,” though. The term just sounds strange and antiquated to me. Does “dating” imply that the couple is having sex or something? Otherwise I see no difference, other than semantics. One could call it “going steady” or “going with,” too.
And Amanda, I remember those Ted Kennedy comments, too, and being kind of shocked at the sentement. Especially the first two. It was at that time I started to think of myself as “anti-abortion,” rather than “pro-life,” as my beliefs do not really jive with the majority of pro-lifers. At least on this site.
First of all, I think it’s disgusting for anyone to be implying that lesforlife is somehow getting her just rewards in the form of her granddaughter getting cancer.
I will be praying for her family.
Bee: the difference between courtship and dating is this:
Courting is not done until the person(s) are ready and open to marriage.
Dating occurs at anytime, during teens (not likely to be ready for marriage) in university etc without the view to moving towards marriage.
Therefore it differs in intent.
Secondly, courting has the aspect of it that it is protective of the woman, without any pressure to be sexually active. It is up to the man to obtain the trust of the woman so as to enable her to open her heart to the man. This rarely happens within the dating scheme.
I’m sure others who may support courting have other valuable comments.
I’m am not saying that dating is wrong, but I would rather my daughters be courted than have a series of dating relationships.
First of all, I think it’s disgusting for anyone to be implying that lesforlife is somehow getting her just rewards in the form of her granddaughter getting cancer.
I will be praying for her family.
Posted by: lauren at July 28, 2008 3:42 PM
agreed lauren.
besides, this is bad theology.
Have witnessed many courting couples in my circle of friends. One man asked the woman’s father for permission to court her. The intent of marriage was the point. They were serious and committed to wed and had known each other for years as friends. Kinda cool. They were both virgins when they married and are expecting their 4th baybay.
Sandy and Patricia, I’m sick and tired of all the man-bashing that goes on here. All men aren’t these sexual fiends who have to be manipulated into marriage. No wonder so many men don’t want to get married or have kids, they probably feel completely inadequate.
Prolifer L, you haven’t been around… around have you? You obviously haven’t heard the comments from pro-lifers saying 9/11 was God punishing America. If God punishes America by killing a bunch of innocent people why wouldn’t he give cancer to some little girl whose grandmother he doesn’t like? The Bible is full of stories about God destroying cities (including the women and children) because some of the people ticked him off. And LesforLife is against abortion to save a woman’s life. So she isn’t for life, she for letting two people die when at least one could be saved. My aunt was one of those people, how do you think that makes my family and me feel?
“Just think of all the aborted babies who could have been medical researchers, oncologists, radiologists, pathologists, ect…. who may have learned ways to combat this cancer years ago had their lives not been snuffed out.”
Well if you used that argument someone could come back and say, “Abort! If you abort you could be killing the next Hitler!”
Carla I don’t think my fathers permission is as important as my own. Of course my families feelings are important to me, but if it were up to my father I’d never be able to marry a minority!
Lol, “They accepted WHO into our country club!?”
Woah Jess, Calm down.
First of all I don’t think anyone is suggesting manipulating anyone into marriage. We don’t think men re evil. However, I do think modern society cheapens sex for both sexes.
As for Les, I understand that her opinions regarding life saving abortions are hurtful to you. I know you’ve probably been offended by the “God used 9.11 to punish the gays (or whatever) comments,” so why would you stoop to similar measures?
We have to remember that an innocent child is in the hospital fighting for her life. My children’s grandmother has campaigned for abortion for her entire life, would you hope for one of my children to be stricken with illness to “teach her a lesson”? I hope not.
I know that emotions are running high, but please, think of little Tuesday.
Sandy and Patricia, I’m sick and tired of all the man-bashing that goes on here. All men aren’t these sexual fiends who have to be manipulated into marriage. No wonder so many men don’t want to get married or have kids, they probably feel completely inadequate.
Actually, the feminists are the ones who do the man bashing – after all men have NO say in whether or not their babies get to live. Divorce is usually done BY women etc.
I never called any man on this board a “sexual fiend” – again another twist of a post which you enjoy!
I do believe though that the pill does create an environment in which women are “available” for sex with out responsibility to the man.
“Just think of all the aborted babies who could have been medical researchers, oncologists, radiologists, pathologists, ect…. who may have learned ways to combat this cancer years ago had their lives not been snuffed out.”
I think that this statement carries with it the belief that each and every one of us created by God has a unique purpose. A person supporting abortion simply can not hold this view. Therefore, when we abort ANY baby, we are less – less as a society, and less as individual persons. You have a purpose on this earth Jess, as did Somg’s 4 aborted siblings. The aborted children’s gifts are lost to us forever, whether they be the discovering a new fuel source, a cure for aids or just being a joy to those who know them in life.
Leslie,
I will be praying for you and your family. I am sorry that your grandaughter is suffering.
I know that emotions are running high, but please, think of little Tuesday.
Posted by: lauren at July 28, 2008 4:17 PM
AGain I’m for focusing on Tuesday! What a unique name!
My friend is trying to find a name for her 9th child!
They want Ignatius for a boy but don’t want him called Iggy! They’ve got an Ambrose, Augustine and a Blaise. Now they are thinking of Pascal! Oh to have such weighty troubles in life!!!
Lauren I’m not going to pray for her but I’m going to try and learn more about this type of cancer and become aware, and I think if you really want to do something start there. Then there are research teams and facilities and various support groups that I’m sure can always donations, no matter how small.
And Patricia we might all have a purpose but why do you think everyone who is aborted will turn into this amazing scientist/president/whatever. They could just as easily grow up to be a rapist or a thief or a child abuser. Actually that’s more likely. If you’re going to not abort a baby then do it because you want to have a child and are willing to care for and love them unconditionally forever. Reguardless of wether or not they grow up to be a doctor or the next Boston Strangler.
“Amanda,
Your above post has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. The snide manner in which you brought up this current tragedy was my first clue.”
Right. Thats snide – and you telling me to grow up and calling Jess pathetic was…what exactly??
I am a UU, have been all my life, so its a pretty big deal to me, which is why I brought it up. If thats “snide” and your comments aren’t, well then I guess you’re using some new kind of dictionary I’ve never seen.
“Your underlying purpose in this statement seems to indicate that conservatives tend to be gun toting nutjobs that blame liberals for their problems and then go ablazing with pistols. Am I interpreting you incorrectly? Please explain.”
LOLOLOLOL – Excuse me? Please indicate where I mentioned ANYTHING about conservatives or “gun toting nutjobs”. Kindly realize that every single word there came from YOUR mouth, not a SINGLE word from mine. So that is entirely your interpretation, and its quite silly.
Amanda,
*Telling you to grow up was not snide it was a mere suggestion to take a look at yourself and your communication style.
*Telling Jess she was pathetic was in response to her personal attack towards Patricia which I thought was completely uncalled for and out of line. She should be called on it.
*You tend to be very critical towards Jill for many threads she includes on this site and for including threads that have nothing to do with abortion. She can’t win. Your comments regarding the current shooting tragedy seemed to poke fun at Jill for not addressing the sitatution on your time-line.
Let’s reveiw:
You stated:
“No mention of prayers for the two people killed and several wounded in the UU Church shooting during a children’s choir rehearsal yesterday?”
Why not say:
Can we all remember the two people killed and several wounded in the UU Church shooting? I feel very strongly about this tragedy as I am a UU member.
Then you go on to say”
“The motive of the shooter? He hated liberals and blamed them for all of his problems in life. Boy does that sound familiar.”
Why was this statement even necessary???????
Don’t try to back away from the fact that this statement was a total dig at conservatives.
Own what you say Amanda.
“I do believe though that the pill does create an environment in which women are “available” for sex with out responsibility to the man.”
What like infertile woman? And the pill doesn’t guarantee you won’t get pregnant. What about guys who used to just get their girlfriend pregnant and push them down a flight of stairs? There will always be jerks.
I will pray for Tuesday. So sorry this got off track.
Jess:
Why did you state you will not pray for Tuesday?
I thought you still have a belief in God, but just not practicing????? Just curious.
Patricia, if it’s a girl suggest the name Clotilda. She was a pretty kick-butt saint.
Sandy, yes maybe I am out of line. I’m not walking your line though. I get out the sidewalk chalk and I draw my own lines. They don’t even have to be lines they can be shapes. Maybe I’m drawing a picture. I’m a rebel.
And Patricia we might all have a purpose but why do you think everyone who is aborted will turn into this amazing scientist/president/whatever. They could just as easily grow up to be a rapist or a thief or a child abuser. Actually that’s more likely. If you’re going to not abort a baby then do it because you want to have a child and are willing to care for and love them unconditionally forever. Reguardless of wether or not they grow up to be a doctor or the next Boston Strangler.
Posted by: Jess at July 28, 2008 4:34 PM
Not everyone is going to grow up to be an Einstein just as not everyone will grow up to be a rapist, Jess.
Do you know what type of person an unborn baby will be? You talk about judging – well this is judging at it’s worst!
Even a rapist has a soul and is worth redeeming.
Even the worst serial murderer is Jess.
The point is – abortion destroys a human being – a unique human with a God given purpose and a reason to be.
That is one of the main differences between proaborts and prolifers.
It’s a matter of perspective.
And I am much more positive, apparently than you are. I prefer to see the positive in situations.
I’m off to soccer now.
God helps those who help themselves. He gave us the resources to help Tuesday so you guys can pray away but I’m going to see what other people did to beat this, because other people did have this and beat it. I looked it up.
WAIT PATRICIA!!!!!
Jess I appreciate that you’re trying to look at ways to help the little girl, but like Sandy, I wonder why you stated specificially that you won’t pray.
It’s hard to judge intent over the internet sometimes, so it’s possible I’m reading too much into it, but to me it sounds like you’re trying to twist the knife so to speak. Again, this might not be your intention AT ALL, and if not I appologize for accusing you, but I just want to understand where you’re coming from.
I’m not judging them I’m saying a baby, an unborn baby, can grow up to become anything. As a parent or caregiver we have to accept that and love and care for them anyway. Maybe I’m not as optimistic as you but I’m realistic and we have to try and make the best out of every situation.
Lauren you probably missed it in all these other posts but one of my biggest problems with Catholicism is prayer and that the more you pray for someone the more likely it is they will be answered. I believe God cares for everyone equally wether or not they have a bunch of people praying for them.
So even if this little girl was an orphan who had no one God would still care just as much about her. God loves her and cares for her and he gave her us and her doctors and family to help her while she is here on Earth. God already gave us everything will need.
Wow, this thread got ugly fast.
She has already been blessed with such a family that cares so much for her, maybe if we’re going to pray we should pray for those who have no one?
Eh PIP, I think it took a turn for the better.
Well anyway Patricia left to play soccer and I’m going for a run so you got rid of the two of us for awhile.
Jess,
“one of my biggest problems with Catholicism is prayer and that the more you pray for someone the more likely it is they will be answered”
I don’t know who told you this, but it is simply not correct. You are right about God caring for all equally. However, prayer acts in accordance with God’s providence. He wills and desires us to pray, but it isn’t like some game where those who get more prayers earn more points and after you reach a certain amount of points your prayers are answered. God love you.
Also Jess,
“She has already been blessed with such a family that cares so much for her, maybe if we’re going to pray we should pray for those who have no one?”
I wouldn’t pit the two against each other, but it was Our Lady of Fatima who said that souls are falling into hell because they have no one to pray for them. I think it is wonderful to offer up prayers and fasting fro those who have no one to pray for them.
God helps those who help themselves is found nowhere in scripture, Jess.
God hears and answers. He loves us all. He sometimes says yes. He sometimes says no and He sometimes says wait.
Jess, I’m not Catholic so I can’t speak to that Church’s teachings, but it has never been my belief that pure numbers determine an outcome.
When we ask someone to pray, it is usually with the understanding that they might pray with some insight that we have missed. For example, we might all be praying for her healing, while you have the insight to pray for the researchers researching her condition.
Does that make sense?
Sandy – you are REEEEEEALLLY stretching things. As in, to a point where I really have to wonder where you’re getting this crap.
I mentioned something that had not been mentioned, because its important to me. People do that ALLLLLL the time here, without being accused of picking fights, or needing to grow up.
I referenced the shooters “motive” sarcastically, because lately every time someone does or says something horrible and stupid, its someone or something elses’ fault. Always someone to blame and turn responsibility in to pity.
You, for some completely ridiculous reason, decided to take it personally, throw all sorts of meaning in to it that wasn’t there, accuse me of picking fights, tell me to grow up, tell me to stop denying something I never did, (or denied, for that matter) and then go off on some tangent about conservatives and guns that came out of NO WHERE, and try to place those words in my mouth, when YOU are the only one who has said anything like that…
I’m honestly lost somewhere between baffled and amused that you took one sentence and turned it in to some completely insane and unwarranted attack on me, and then accuse ME of picking a fight?!?! LOL. I think you need a masssage… or something!
RSD,
Does that mean that “dating” people don’t have respect for each other? I’m pretty sure that in order for anyone to take me out on a DATE or DATE me, they better show me respect, or I will show them the door. Generally, I would have to like the person first before I introduced them to my family, so it would be kinda hard for them to get my dad’s permission to date me. I think *my* dad would find a guy asking permission to take me to a movie or something kind of strange.
Like I’ve said, I really think “dating” is the “courting” aspect of the relationship, because the people are trying to get to know each other. That’s just the way I’ve interpreted it I guess.
Amanda, I’m sorry that the UU church shooting hits particuarlly close to home for you. We are all praying for the victims. However, I think that you understand where we might feel a bit “slammed” by the “sound’s familiar” comment.
How often has a Jill Stanek poster gone on a shooting rampage because we’re frustrated with liberals? I’m going to have to guess never.
I know that you weren’t accusing us of doing so, but rather making a comment to a general philosophy, but it really was needlessly over the top.
We’re not “looking to be offended”, but I just don’t think that this particular thread was the place for strife. Perhaps, a prayer request without the added zinger would have been more appropriate.
Again, Lauren, you are reading the words Sandy put in my mouth rather than the words I actually wrote. Nothing in that sentence should offend anyone personally, unless they’ve done or said something horrible, and tried to excuse it by saying how its someone else’s fault for making their life so sad/hard/etc.
“The motive of the shooter? He hated liberals and blamed them for all of his problems in life. Boy does that sound familiar.”
What exactly were you referencing with “boy does that sound familiar”?
Amanda: 2:40: “If someone our age, no matter how serious they were about someone, said they were “courting” everyone would laugh their butts off at them. =)
That would be a sure sign of immaturity on their part. I’m with Patricia and RSD, the idea of courting is coming back and the key is RESPECT. There are some excellent books out now on the topic.
see 5:19 post. I don’t think I’ve read a single news story in the last year about someone trying to blame whatever horrible thing they’ve done on some person or group of people. Yeah, you shot people in a church minding their own business – and its someone elses’ fault….THEY caused you to do it…because YOU ARE SOOOOOO persecuted…
Amanda, I don’t think it was immediately clear *what* you were trying to say, which obviously caused some issue.
It came across as abrasive which made people take offense. I’ll take your word that this wasn’t your intent and move on.
Thanks Lauren.
Sandy, see how much nicer it works out when someone just asks me to clarify what I meant, without making something up to suit their purpose (ie, picking a fight), and then I reply, and its all over with?
Not that hard really…
Jill,
Thanks so much for posting this.
Prayers for Tuesday
God Bless
Elizabeth,
Of course dating should ALWAYS have an element of respect to it.
The term “courting” just emphasizes this fact and brings us back to a time when dating was more formal and moved more slowly than dating typically does today. Think of the Jane Austin movies of recent years for examples.
Amanda,
My Facebook status has been a call to pray for the UU victims since I heard the news, that God would have mercy on their souls. The man that gave his life shielding others is a hero, and I hope God will look favorably upon him and grant him mercy.
UU is a collection of lost people with good intentions, but it’s Jesus that saves, not good intentions or works of mercy (although much of the UU’s mercy work is the epitome of cruel). The death of this man that offered himself for others is a sign that good people can be lost and lost people can be good, and that the lost and good need our prayers equally.
Jess said,
“Doesn’t Lesforlife believe that a mother should die rather then abort a baby?”
Jess, please substantiate this claim. I sincerely hope you posted this because you have some evidence that it’s true. Spreading false claims is a horrible thing to do and something the pro-aborts do way too frequently. (If you had the truth, you wouldn’t need to lie.)
I know Leslie personally and she’s never said anything of the sort.
I don’t date either. I court as well.
Dating is using someone for the immediate pleasure of their company with no commitments to the other person or their well-being. It’s self-focused. It’s trying on a person to see how they fit you and if they don’t fit you, you find someone you like better, or they cease to amuse you, you can dump them without consequence. Dating is playing around with emotions, having fun with someone with no obligation to that person. Respect is nice in dating, but not necessary.
Courtship is a relationship for the intent of seeing if marriage is in the imminent future. It’s others-focued, protecting the heart and well-being of this person as your possible future spouse, or the future spouse of someone else. It’s not trying on a person like a pair of jeans, but determining if you are good for eachother. It’s not mutual usuary, rather it is the development and groundwork laid for a lifetime of love and commitment.
Hence, I don’t date anymore. I don’t like being treated like entertainment or a pair of jeans someone’s trying on.
And we don’t rejoice at the death of this wicked man, Stan Roebuck, but lament that he devoted his life to evil and rejected God’s grace and mercy- and now it’s too late.
Yes, I’m glad that the evil he personally did will die with him, but I don’t rejoice in his death and neither does Les.
Jacque…you need to come see the baaaaaaaaby (in my best whiny new yorker voice)
My MIL is having a “baby welcoming party” (instead of the baby shower, since she came a bit early) and I need your new address! Email me!
I am so saddened by the cruel comments that were allowed to be posted on this site today! Shame on those of you who have taken a plea for prayer for this precious little girl and turned it into a junior high emote session! You are despicable!
Leslie, if you are reading this, God bless you and your family, especially little precious Tuesday! Please know that as hurtful as these comments must be to you, you will be forever blessed for honoring God’s word and defending our most innocent!
Thank you, you are my hero!
Jenna
Will D, I’m sorry I can’t give you the exact post but I think it was on one of the last proliferation’s. We were discussing pro-lifers who would rather have the mother and baby die rather then have an abortion and someone said it was really only three people on this blog who felt that way, LesforLife, Will Duffy and Zeke.
“I wouldn’t pit the two against each other, but it was Our Lady of Fatima who said that souls are falling into hell because they have no one to pray for them.”
But Bobby, why would souls go to hell if no one prayed for them? Wouldn’t God know they were good anyway?
BTW, what happened to Zeke? I bet he was banned. He was meaner to the pro-lifers then he was to us. I remember he called me some obscure insult once : /
Lauren, lol at the baby welcoming party! Oh it’s a shame the baby shower was almost ruined, if only she could put the baby back for a few more weeks : )
Oh, I guess I didn’t make that clear. These are people who rejected God and who could have most likely used the extra graces that they would have received through prayer. It’s not like people who loved God and desired union with him were being sent to hell because other people didn’t take a certain action, lol.
“Jacque…you need to come see the baaaaaaaaby (in my best whiny new yorker voice)”
Don’t let any dingos near it! Eek!
Oh ok Bobby I was hoping it was a mistake.
I guess it’s at least better then the Puritanical belief that you were predestined to go to either heaven or hell and there was nothing you could do about it and you didn’t know which one you were going to till you died.
No wonder they were so mean :
Jess, don’t worry I think everyone will be happier to see the baby than they would have been to see me all huge. Then again, there may have been a few people who would have showed up *just* to see me so huge. LOL
Eh, who am I kidding, I still weigh more now than I did when I delivered my son a few years ago. Oh well!
Also, anything but the baby snatching dingos!
Elizabeth,
Of course dating should ALWAYS have an element of respect to it.
The term “courting” just emphasizes this fact and brings us back to a time when dating was more formal and moved more slowly than dating typically does today. Think of the Jane Austin movies of recent years for examples.
Posted by: Janet at July 28, 2008 6:02 PM
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Jane Austin’s books were works of fiction.
Jenna,
Many thanks for your kind sentiments. A soothing balm
for a weary soul.
As for my position on “life of the mother,” if continuing
a pregnancy is threatening the mother’s life, every effort
should be made to save the lives of both mom and her baby.
If the baby doesn’t survive, the family can rest in the knowledge that nothing was intentionally done to end a life.
Les, we’re praying for you. Is there anything specifically we can pray for right now?
Fine LesforLife (aka Leslie) I’m sorry. Someone told me your position differed. I’ll say a pray for Tuesday.
For a better night for her than last night, for her fluids
to alleviate, for her Co2 levels to stabilize, for strength
for her frazzled parents and for the evil tumor to be destroyed
by the chemo.
With gratitude from the waiting room.
Nice to know how she’s doing. She will be in my prayers tonight – consolation for her parents and strength for the little one.
Jane Austin’s books were works of fiction.
Posted by: Sally at July 28, 2008 7:27 PM
Yes, nevertheless, the reflected the cultural practices of the times, as does our trashy “literature” today!
So is she taking the chemo alright? I know some people reject it. You don’t have to answer.
Thank you Jess for apologizing and praying for Tuesday.
Thank you lesforlife for letting us know specifically what to pray for. Stay strong in the Lord.
Funny you should mention that Patricia. I’ve been reading this book about great American scandals where the scandals of our founding fathers are examined. I don’t think there was less sex, drugs and violence back then, I think it just isn’t remembered now. At least Bush never shot anyone in the back after an argument. And it seemed that every politician had a mistress before the 20th century. Um…
Mid 19th century governor of Texas Jim Hogg named his daughter Ima. Enough said.
Hehehe Jess…. *sigh* if only we could go back to those non “trashy” times when people got away with some of the sickest sexual molestations and incest, and parents could legally arrange their daughter’s marriages for their own financial gain or at least to remove a burden… those were the goooooood ol days!
I would have been burned at the stake in a minute Amanda, especially after that anti-Puritan rant I went on today. If there are any Puritans here how were offended by that I’m not going to apologize. It’s the truth and it has to be told > (
Wow, some of you are truly heartless to attack a grandma and mock an innocent 22 month old who is fighting for her life. Janet, you need to work on your comedy gig…keep your day job, sweetie.
I pray that the rest of you never have to face what lesforlife is facing right now. But if you do, I pray that you are as brave as les and that you willingly choose to make the journey with Jesus Christ by your side, as les does. Lord bless you lesforlife and all your family.
Amanda, Are you always so cheerful?
Amanda,
Follow your own posts. First you accuse me of picking a fight. Then you accuse me of accusing you of starting a fight.
I call you on the snideness of your comments which you deny and then admit to.
Then you are still baffled at how I could come to the conclusions I did.
I didn’t put any words into your mouth. I used the words “seemed like” in my post. I gave you an opportunity to explain yourself as I admitted maybe I interpreted your post wrong which then you deny that I did.
I give up.
Good night.
Who mocked a 22-month old? I don’t think I saw that at all in this thread.
Susan: You misunderstood something I said. No mocking or comedy attempts going on here.
LOL Sandy. Fantasy land is fun. I go there sometimes too.
Susan – no one mocked her. Not a single person.
Les, I’m praying for your family. How much physical contact is she allowed? If you can, I encourage you to lay hands on her as you pray (even if it *is* through gloves)!
I’m praying for little Tuesday and her family.
As a regular lurker I really have to say….
To all you regular folks on both sides, give it a break and find a different thread or something. This thread is such “he said, she said” stuff — really. Maybe it would be good to take a little walk away from all the sniping and offense taking and just think positively about other things. Here in Chicago it’s a beautiful summer night — hopefully there is something similar going on in your neck of the woods.
There’s a little girl going through tremendous pain and a worried family. And here there is all this chatter back and forth. Let’s be positive and kind for a minute — sure we disagree — but really can’t we talk about church shootings and courting/dating semantics elsewhere.
I’m back to lurking with a wish/prayer for all of us to have postives in our lives and a bit of perspective on where and when to be at each other throats.
Well, LB, somebody else brought it up, I was just asking what they thought was the difference in courting/dating, cause I never thought there was one. If they had brought it up elsewhere, I would have talked about it there too, but it came up here, so I can’t do much about that.
LB: There’s a little girl going through tremendous pain and a worried family. And here there is all this chatter back and forth. Let’s be positive and kind for a minute — sure we disagree — but really can’t we talk about church shootings and courting/dating semantics elsewhere.
Thanks for a much needed post. God bless you.
Maybe we need like a chat room or something where we can go and get as off-topic as we please?
oooo, jess, GREAT idea! Although I’d never get anything done if there was a jill stanek chat room with all you people.
It wasn’t my idea Elizabeth, I stole it from somebody else.
Jane Austin’s books were works of fiction.
Posted by: Sally at July 28, 2008 7:27 PM
Yes, nevertheless, the reflected the cultural practices of the times, as does our trashy “literature” today!
Posted by: Patricia at July 28, 2008 9:01 PM
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You find Jane Austin to be a trashy author? I won’t ask you how you feel she reflected the period of history she wrote about. I doubt if you have a grip on the difference between Tolstoy and Wing Nut Daily.
If it’s written down it must be the literal truth eh Patricia?
LB: There’s a little girl going through tremendous pain and a worried family. And here there is all this chatter back and forth. Let’s be positive and kind for a minute — sure we disagree — but really can’t we talk about church shootings and courting/dating semantics elsewhere.
Thanks for a much needed post. God bless you.
If Janet’s post at 1:23 wasn’t mocking of Tuesday’s name then I guess we better find a new definition of mocking.
Susan,
Did you read Janet’s comments recently..she said she was not mocking Tuesday’s name. Maybe we could try to not be sooo sensitive, ya got to have a tougher skin around these parts.
Words have meaning Elizabeth. If you read the 1:23 post and if you understand English, which I have taught for 20 years, you can not deny it’s mocking. My skin is just fine, thank you for caring. Enjoy your evening as I will bid you all a good night.
Susan 10:14: If Janet’s post at 1:23 wasn’t mocking of Tuesday’s name then I guess we better find a new definition of mocking.
Susan, I apologize if you feel I asked the wrong question at the wrong time. Tuesday is a very cute name and I was sincere in asking her twin’s name. I have a twin myself. Why would I mock her??
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Leslie, I apologize to you as well, I meant no offense to you or your family. As before, God Bless you all. I will keep you in my prayers!
Elizabeth, It’s OK…You never know, maybe Susan is related to the family… who knows… Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt. Thanks you anyways.:)
That’s “Thank you” not “Thanks you”.
If Janet’s post at 1:23 wasn’t mocking of Tuesday’s name then I guess we better find a new definition of mocking.
Posted by: Susan at July 28, 2008 10:14 PM
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Janet was unusually amusing with her comment. There was no scorn. Perhaps you should look after that chip on your shoulder right after you consider the meaning of mockery.
Tuesday Weld? Wednesday Addams? They call me Stormy Monday?
Grandparents are big blues fans, but would
prefer hearing about other people’s woes!
Grandparents are big blues fans, but would
prefer hearing about other people’s woes!
Posted by: lesforlife at July 29, 2008 12:42 AM
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If grandparents are blues fans, they know that woes are all the same. You deal with yours and I’ll deal with mine. You don’t listen.
I have prayed for Tuesday and her family.
You find Jane Austin to be a trashy author? I won’t ask you how you feel she reflected the period of history she wrote about. I doubt if you have a grip on the difference between Tolstoy and Wing Nut Daily.
If it’s written down it must be the literal truth eh Patricia?
Posted by: Sally at July 28, 2008 10:08 PM
Sally, really. THis is not what I implied at all. AND YOU KNOW IT.
Jane Austen’s works of fiction portrayed the cultural practices of the times. She was a wonderful writer.
I cannot say that about the majority of today’s writers. I OUGHT to know – I’m a librarian. Our pornified culture IS reflected and portrayed in our literature. Take a look at the magazine rack, Sally, the next time you go shopping. While some might not think this as literature it is what the masses read – daily.
BTW, Tolstoy is one of my top favourite authors.
Stop twisting peoples posts just to be obstreperous.
Jenna, 6:42: I agree some of the comments on this post have been shockingly cruel. A woman’s grandchild is gravely ill, and yet a couple pro-aborts took an opportunity of the worst of all tragedies to take pot shots.
Had I been here I would have deleted them immediately. I am a grandmother, and I would be pierced in the heart to read such awful comments. But that was the goal, wasn’t it?
I want you to know Leslie and I discussed this via email after I did read those comments, and she said to leave them up. She responded, “Thanks but no, they are pretty instructive in how absolutely lost they are.”
I expect some on the other side may see they scored pain and renew their disgusting jabs. I’d ask the moderators to delete any disrespectful comments to Leslie or her family from here on.
I note the 2 mean girls have no children. Some day you’ll understand what pain you’ve inflicted.
How do you know “PPC” has no children?
Please note the irony of the lead article on the “Passionate Prolifer”, where Mrs. Hanks celebrates the tragic death of a Planned Parenthood guard.
I wish the child a full recovery, and trust that no one would display the hate toward her that her grandmother shows for Mr. Roebuck.
Posted by: PPC at July 28, 2008 11:53 AM
Maybe this is God’s way of showing her and her family born people are just as special as unborn people.
Doesn’t Lesforlife believe that a mother should die rather then abort a baby? I hope we can all learn that *every* life is precious, not just the life of the unborn.
Posted by: Jess at July 28, 2008 11:59 AM
These comments are cruel and uncalled for. I am on the board of CRTL with Leslie and I have been doing the work she usually does and I am exhausted after ONE WEEK!!! Leslie has dedicated most of her adult life to helping others. Whether you like her positions or not that is not relevant in light of this family tragedy. If you have no compassion for a sick child then you should start praying for God to soften your hard heart.
Leslie has become one of my best friends and she is also like a mother to me.
Tuesday’s been in my prayers for a few days, since Leslie sent me an email about her. Tuesday is blessed with a wonderful Grandma, who dedicates her own life to sharing God’s blessings with all who will accept them. May the good Lord shower Tuesday with blessings and miracles, so they can be shared, and bring more souls home to their loving Father.
“I’d ask the moderators to delete any disrespectful comments to Leslie or her family from here on.”
Consider it done, Jill.
Jill, you and Leslie must have just read like the first two comments. Maybe you should read the entire thread before you jump to conclusions?
Lolita I said every life is precious, how is that cruel? Do you think some lives are worth more than others?
What can you expect when certain liberal commentors CONSTANTLY twist the meaning of posts and other people’s comments.
And when they are called in on it, they get their knickers in knot and threaten to leave. Sheesh!
I’m not going to leave Patricia.
Jess: I’ve very glad of that! You shouldn’t leave. You add spice (for the most part) to the comments!
Les,
I found a quote that you may find comforting:
“grandmothers hold our tiny hands for just a little while….. but our hearts forever”
Not sure why my post was deleted – but I’ll repeat.
I agree, Lolita, that PPC’s comments were a bit crass. I read the article from the link, and though I disagree with Lesforlife’s assumptions about the peace with God the PP employee may or may not have made at his death (since she actually has no clue – not being there, or knowing someone’s relationship with God), I did not get the sense she was celebrating his death at all.
lesforlife – Tuesday, and her family are and have been in our family’s prayers.
I don’t pray but I wish the family all the best, and I put Tuesday’s name with my recent donation ot the ACS.
Les,
Tuesday has been in my thoughts and prayers. I can’t imagine how difficult this is for your family.
Les,
Please know that my family and I continue to pray for you and yours.
Lolita I said every life is precious, how is that cruel? Do you think some lives are worth more than others?
Posted by: Jess at July 29, 2008 10:36 AM
Jess, maybe this thread wasn’t the place for your “probing” mind…. Rather it was a place to put your own thoughts aside long enough to focus on sympathy for this little girl.
Sorry Amanda you will have to find yourself another thread and continue your jabs.
I apologize to Jill and to Les for the way things went here.
There are many of us who are touched by your story Les and in awe of such a brave little girl going through so much. I hope we can continue to be updated on Tuesday and her family. God bless you.
“your posts show you to be self-serving indigents. ”
Explain to me how thats not an insult Carla, because MK and I already spoke about this, and she saw nothing offensive in my post about the UU shootings. So its okay to call me names now? Because if we’re changing the rules here to “insulting people is okay as long as you’re pro life” that should be in the guidelines.
If you have anything to add here about Tuesday and her family I would be happy to leave it up.
What does this have to do with Tuesday and her family:
“your posts show you to be self-serving indigents.”
Commenting on this thread is now closed.
Any additional notifications of prayers, encouragement or support can be sent to the moderators who will forward them to lesforlife.
St.Gerard,who like the Savior, loved children so tnederly and by your prayers freed many from disease and even death, listne to us who are pleading for Tuesday. We thank God for the great gift of Tuesday and ask him to restore Tuesday to health.
Amen