Preemie in cooler lives dies
This is a story almost too hard to believe, from the Jerusalem Post, yesterday:
A premature baby who was pronounced dead “came back to life” Sunday after five hours in Nahariya Hospital in northern Israel.
The baby girl, who was in a cooler at the hospital, suddenly showed signs of life and was being treated in the premature baby unit.
Doctors estimated that the cooler brought the fetus “back to life.”…
The mother, 26… was in the 5th month of her pregnancy when she underwent a series of tests, during which it was discovered that she was suffering from internal bleeding and that the fetus had ceased to show signs of life.
The woman underwent an abortion and the baby, weighing 610 grams, was extracted from her womb without a pulse, hospital officials said.
A senior doctor pronounced the baby dead and she was transferred to the cooler.
Five hours later, the woman’s husband came to the hospital to take what he thought was his dead baby girl for burial.
When the baby was taken out of the cooler, she began to breathe. The premature baby was then taken to the intensive care ward, where doctors were attempting to save her life.
Sadly, the Jerusalem Post reported today the baby died:
The miscarried fetus who was supposedly brought “dead” to a hospital morgue and started moving when taken by her father for burial on Monday was not a “medical miracle,” says a leading Jerusalem neonatologist. The infant, weighing 610 grams and born after 23 weeks of gestation, breathed her last breath on Tuesday morning despite doctors’ frantic efforts to save her.
[HT: son Tim; proofreader Laura Loo; moderator Bethany; readers Calvin, K.B., Patricia, and Theresa; photos courtesy of the Jerusalem Post]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Despite the sad ending it is still a pretty amazing story. I wonder what’s going to happen now?
From today’s Jerusalem Post:
“Prof. Arthur Eidelman, who was head of the neonatal unit at Shaare Zedek Medical Center between 1978 and 2003 and then head of the pediatrics department for a few more years, told The Jerusalem Post that such immature infants have very slow and irregular heartbeats and breathing cycles, and that the baby “didn’t die and come back to life.” Eidelman, who based his assessment of the unusual case at Nahariya’s Western Galilee Government Hospital solely on media reports, said a well-trained pediatrician should have checked the miscarried fetus rather than the two hospital gynecologists who pronounced her dead.”
So why did the OB/GYN’s fail to contact a pediatrician before pronouncing the baby dead?
My guess Janet is since they thought they were delivering a dead baby anyway (that’s why they induced labor, they thought the baby was dead) they didn’t try to help the baby when she was born.
I’m pretty sure being “dead” or lacking brain activity for even a few minutes can make resuscitation almost impossible.
Sweet baby. I’m so sad. :(
I wonder what Obama would have recommended in terms of trying to save this baby’s life in light of his BAIPA votes?
As a law professor does he see any malpractice here, i.e., were the correct medical protocols followed?
I wonder what Obama would have recommended in terms of trying to save this baby’s life in light of his BAIPA votes?
As a law professor does he see any malpractice here, i.e., were the correct medical protocols followed?
This family must be grieving terribly. They are in my prayers. :(
I wonder what Obama would have recommended in terms of trying to save this baby’s life in light of his BAIPA votes?
As a law professor does he see any malpractice here, i.e., were the correct medical protocols followed?
HisMan, I think Obama has more important things on his mind.
I wonder what Obama would have recommended in terms of trying to save this baby’s life in light of his BAIPA votes?”
HisMan, for the 104th time, Obama doesn’t object to doctors trying to save babies.
HisMan, for the 104th time, Obama doesn’t object to doctors trying to save babies.
Posted by: Hal at August 19, 2008 12:17 PM
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Hal, for the 105th time, Obama does’t object to doctors trying to abort babies.
SoMG:
I actaully think you’re pro-McCain because your ludictrous posts just aren’t helping Obama. Thanks.
And this too: Faithful in little things, faithful in big things. And, the converse is true as well.
Hal:
For the 54,000,000th time, yes Obama does object to trying to save babies, and that’s exactly the point you’re not getting.
McCain 54,000,000
Obama 50,000,000
So why did the OB/GYN’s fail to contact a pediatrician before pronouncing the baby dead?
Posted by: Janet at August 19, 2008 11:28 AM
My guess Janet is since they thought they were delivering a dead baby anyway (that’s why they induced labor, they thought the baby was dead) they didn’t try to help the baby when she was born.
I’m pretty sure being “dead” or lacking brain activity for even a few minutes can make resuscitation almost impossible.
Posted by: Jess at August 19, 2008 11:33 AM
Towards the end of today’s Jerusalem Post article that Jill linked to,
Eidelman said that at Shaare Zedek, doctors know they must leave such immature infants in the delivery room for at least 20 minutes to try to detect a heartbeat and respiration. “A fetus develops a heartbeat only around the 16th week, so at 23 weeks it is still very slow. Five minutes or more can pass before such a premature baby’s heart beats or takes a breath. After 20 minutes without such a sign of life, doctors let nature take its course, and the baby is presumed dead and taken to the morgue.
I should re-phrase my question:
“What reasons are the OB/GYNs in this case giving for failing to contact a pediatrician as they should have according to Prof. Eidelman?
I wonder what Obama would have recommended in terms of trying to save this baby’s life in light of his BAIPA votes?”
HisMan, for the 104th time, Obama doesn’t object to doctors trying to save babies.
Posted by: Hal at August 19, 2008 12:17 PM
NO he just objects to doctors trying to save babies that are being ABORTED and surviving the abortion. He doesn’t care whether they survive the abortion – the fact is that the mother wants the baby DEAD, so we should honor her wishes. The baby must die – the woman has the ultimate say. His abortion-logic is impeccable. And opens the door to infanticide and Dr. Peter Singer’s recommendations. If we can kill the baby with only it’s head remaining unbirthed, why can’t we kill the baby 5 days after birth? What IS the difference in the baby, physically, emotionally etc between these two states, other than LOCATION?
“A fetus develops a heartbeat only around the 16th week, so at 23 weeks it is still very slow.”
Hmm, this is total misinformation. Anyone who’s ever been pregnant would know that the heartbeat can be heard or seen on an ultrasound by 8 weeks or even earlier. Furthermore, it’s very fast – 120-160 bpm…. strange….
A fetus develops a heartbeat only around the 16th week, so at 23 weeks it is still very slow.
Ok, I’m sorry but WHERE is this misinformation coming from? At 5 to 6 weeks the heartbeat of the unborn child is similar to that of an adult. ANy pregnant woman can tell you she’s heard her baby’s heartbeat during ultrasound and has listened to it in the doctor’s office.
Sue, Thanks for the heads-up. All the more reason to question why these doctors made this error.
I was the first person to link to this story here.
Maybe these doctors skipped their fetal development classes…..
Or in the current abortion climate in med school, just didn’t care…..
HisMan,
Interesting article about Obama’s time as a law professor. His experience was certainly limited and somewhat unremarkable.
Teaching Law, Testing Ideas, Obama Stood Slightly Apart
By JODI KANTOR Published: July 30, 2008
An excerpt: “His most traditional course was in the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law. His voting rights class traced the evolution of election law, from the disenfranchisement of blacks to contemporary debates over districting and campaign finance. Mr. Obama was so interested in the subject that he helped Richard Pildes, a professor at New York University, develop a leading casebook in the field…. His most original course, a historical and political seminar as much as a legal one, was on racism and law ….
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30law.html?partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all
Well thank you Gerry for for linking it! It’s a big talking point.
Patricia, Janet,
I have often wondered how their views on abortion color a dr and his/her practice…
The doc that was so cruel to me during my miscarriage was prochoice. Is that why she didn’t tell me I “MIGHT” see my baby??
What do you think?
Wow – such a tragedy! I wonder if they had let nature take it’s course the baby would have developed and survived in her mothers womb. She survived 5 hours in a cooler afterall. I imagine that is something the parents will question for the rest of their lives.
absolutely Carla.
I have a girlfriend who has a 19 year old daughter with serious gyn problems right now. Her current family doctor’s treatment: the pill
No tests, no understanding of what is going on with this young woman’s body (who btw, has her whole reproductive future ahead of her!)
We are trying to get her in to see a Catholic gyn who does not prescribe the pill.
If as a doctor, you view unborn babies as expendable depending upon the mother’s age and circumstances, I don’t see how that could not affect the way you practice medicine.
For example, a supportor of abortion, would be more likely to offer amnio with a view to possible abortion as a “treatment” for a positive result than a prolife doctor who would NOT recommend amnio due to the risk to mother and baby or who would encourage the parents to treat the baby (if possible) or prepare for the special circumstances that child would present.
Thanks Patricia,
I am sorry for your friend’s daughter. Hope you can get her to a more caring professional!!
My prolife dr. never asked me if I wanted amnio even though I am an “older” mommy.(cough cough) He knew my answer would be no.
Thinking out loud here…
Do you know of a list of prolife docs? Does Canada have some for you? I think it is important to see someone who shares your love for life at all of its stages.
we have our resources through the Marguerite Bourgeoys Institute in Toronto. That is how my friends found a doctor. They are few and far between in Canada. It’s now getting this young women into to see another doctor – she thinks nothing can be done to help her.
My family doctor is very prolife and had 8 children. So we are lucky.
“A fetus develops a heartbeat only around the 16th week, so at 23 weeks it is still very slow.”
WHAT??? The heart is beating by 20-22 days after conception. That’s about 4-5 weeks LMP. Why in the world would this guy say 16? That is nuts!!
oops, should’ve read further. I see I’m not the only one here who noticed the mistake about the heartbeat.
Carla @ 12:59,
Patricia, Janet,
I have often wondered how their views on abortion color a Dr and his/her practice…
The doc that was so cruel to me during my miscarriage was prochoice. Is that why she didn’t tell me I “MIGHT” see my baby?? What do you think?
Excellent question. I’ve learned over time that no two doctors are alike and they become doctors for very different reasons. Some truly like people and want to help them. Some do it for money, to be published, to do research, etc… It’s important to find the right one for your needs. The first question I would ask any doctor would be “Are you pro-life? Do you believe in abortion?. If they said “pro-choice”, personally, I’d walk away (after telling him or her the reason why). If you think about it, we are trusting our life in our doctor’s hands with every pill, treatment, or surgery we have; if they don’t understand the dignity of all life, why trust them? It’s so sad that you had such jerk for a doctor. I hope you let everyone know what a bad experience you had with him/her. Tell the hospital administration as well.
One way to find a good pro-life doctor (and pediatrician for that matter) is to talk to labor and delivery nurses at one or two hospitals in your area where you will deliver. You will be getting an unbiased opinion because they are generally employed by the hospital and not the doctor himself.
I think our OB/GYN’s and delivery room attendants need better training in interpersonal skills. That starts in the medical schools, and should be ongoing in hospitals. They need to realize that each individual they see is as important as the next, even if that person is Patient Number 10, for them for the day.
To share a different perspective, when I had my miscarriage diagnosed, my OB/GYN (100% Pro-life) could not have been nicer. He apologized profusely for not being able to be there for my D&C which I would have to schedule. He was to be out of town, so another member of his medical group would care for me. I was truly comforted by his concern. Now, I wish my previous labor and delivery experience (by a different doctor) had been so good. The power went out in the hospital due to a storm, and I was pretty much on my own for twelve hours of labor! Ugh! A beautiful baby was the result, thank God!
A little advice… Don’t go to the hospital at the beginning of a night shift (11:00PM) in labor. There are fewer nurses on staff and fewer doctors there. Try to check- in earlier, even if your labor isn’t progressing as quickly as the doctors would like. Trust your instincts!
Hey Kristi- yeah a bunch of dumb women know more than the doctors! Sheesh.
Janet: I agree that it’s a good thing to tell doctors that you don’t want them to be your doctor on acccount of their proabortion bias.
Patricia, Janet,
I have often wondered how their views on abortion color a dr and his/her practice…
The doc that was so cruel to me during my miscarriage was prochoice. Is that why she didn’t tell me I “MIGHT” see my baby??
What do you think?
Posted by: Carla at August 19, 2008 12:59 PM
Hi Carla!
Great question. I hope you don’t mind me weighing in. I have felt the same way since the day I miscarried the first time. The pro-choice movement has dictated that the medical profession ignore this issue.
I participated in a pregnancy loss documentary produced by a vehemently pro-choice femenist who stronly believes the pro-choice movement has left women who miscarry to fend for themselves. Women who miscarry have been for the most part neglected.
We approached the American College of Obstetrics and Gynocology through an ACOG board member we know to support our bill to make sure women are informed of disposition rights. They wanted nothing to do with it. Too afraid it would conflict with their pro-abortion agenda. “Too hot to handle.”
They would rather just keep women ignorant of this fact, that it is very likely we may miscarry her baby in our home home have no idea what to do with it. They would also like to hide the fact that miscarried babies are secretly taken to the hospital incinerator and tossed in with the medical waste unbeknownst to the family.
NARAL was vehemently against this bill and posted hysterical misinformation on their web-site regarding the intent of the bill.
They felt by requiring medical professionals to notify a women of her disposition rights, it would interfere with the dr./patient relationship. How damned stupid.
We are trying to creat much needed dialoge that needs to happen between a dr. and the patient.
There are many disclosure laws that the medical profession must follow. Maybe all disclosure laws should be abolished as well. Let’s just let drs. pick and choose which information they decide to give women based on their own personal beliefs.
We conducted a 2 year research study on women who miscarry and found that almost half of all women who miscarry will not return to their doctors due to the lack of compassion and minimal medical care they received.
HisMan, I think Obama has more important things on his mind.
Posted by: SoMG at August 19, 2008 11:59 AM
Not really, let’s review.
He has stated the first thing he will do in his fantasy mind as fantasy president is to sign FOCA into law. Sounds like these issues are first and foremost on his mind somewhere hiding in the middle of his gigantic ears.
Can you imagine what this mother is going through? I’m sure she agreed to the induction because the doctors told her the baby was dead. Women have gone through surgury while being pregnant and while that’s not an ideal time it’s been done before.
I don’t know they could have stopped the bleeding without ending the pregnancy but I think she probably would have wanted them to try. It must be torture for her to then find out her baby was alive and might have possibly been able to survive to term. That poor woman.
Kristen,
No doubt. I was wondering the same thing:(
Thanks Sandy.
I appreciate all the work you have done in the area of miscarriage. I agree that women too often are left to fend for themselves and wonder what to do with their baby when they deliver at home.
Even with a D&C are they given all of the correct info??
THEY KNOW fetal development. THEY KNOW what might happen. THEY KNOW it’s a baby.
God forbid they *gasp* tell a woman the truth about the child growing inside of her.
My prolife dr. was the sweetest. He would always say, “How are you two doing?” when I came in for my OB appts. :)
Hi Carla,
Unfortunately the majority of women are not given information regarding the fate of their babies remains prior to or after a D&C. Our bill will make this a mandatory disclosure at the time of miscarriage.
I changed Drs. after my first miscarriage experience which was horrible. I decided to interview my next Dr. before I made the decision to go with him. This Dr. let me cry in his office for an hour while he handed me kleenex and let me tell my story. He is very compassionate and caring and didn’t mind taking the extra time with me my first visit.
He diagnosed my second miscarriage while he clasped my hands in his and bowed his head in sorrow. My husband and I really appreciated the warm and caring manner in which we were told.
We are moving ahead with our miscarriage clinic which will offer more options to women and give focused care to women who experience a pregnancy loss. We were recently approached by a resident from a major medical school in the TCs to see if our clinic would be interested in offering a rotation option so medical students can understand how to better care for women in this situation.:) All very exciting!!
Sorry…. should read “mandatory disclosure at the time a miscarriage is diagnosed”
Sandy,
I have had the same experiences as you. Horrifying first miscarriage with an uncaring, unkind professional. 2nd miscarriage with a dr. and nurse who allowed me to process in their office and cry in their arms.
A clinic? Really? Wow that is so awesome!! I keep forgetting we are neighbors!! doh
Thank you Sandy @ 2:31, etc… Good information. Where will your miscarriage clinic be located? Where are the TC’s?
Oh…. You are near the Twin Cities?
Sandy, I also appreciate what you’re doing.
I’ve had TERRIBLE care for both of my miscarriages. The first one they simply took my blood levels twice, told me I would miscarry and sent me on my way. When I didn’t miscarry I called them back and they did a scan and realized that while I had miscarried one twin, there was still one that was viable. No one told me this was even an option! I’m just so, so thankful that I didn’t go out and get drunk to numb the pain of the miscarriage like I wanted to.
The second miscarriage was even worse. The doctor NEVER did an ultrasound, but just measured my hormone levels. The first reading was very low, but I figured it was just because I wasn’t very far along. I didn’t get the results from the next level for 5 DAYS (they told me it would be next day) because they forgot to call me on Thursday and were closed for the weekend. Those results were going up, but not quite at the rate they wanted so they did another draw. Again, it took them several days to get back to me, but they were still raising slowly. So, they did another test. At that point they didn’t get back to me at all, but I started having pain in my shoulder and I was really worried I was having an ectopic pregnancy. So I called the doctor and he told me that my levels were falling so I shouldn’t worry. I had to wait two more weeks before they saw me again and finally confirmed that I was miscarrying. I had gone through the entire miscarrige not even knowing what was happening (I bled alot during my first pregnancy but was able to have a live birth, so I didn’t know what level of bleeding was “normal”. I FINALLY was told that I had miscarried at 8 1/2 weeks, although I think I probably actually miscarried closer to 6 weeks. It was horrible.
Lauren,
How awful! I’m so sorry! Why do we put up with such incompetence and lack of compassion??!! I should say why DID we?
The frosting on the cake after my first miscarriage was when the clinic called a month later to “remind me about my prenatal appt.” I lost it. Sorry to say.
“MY BABY DIED LAST MONTH!!” I screamed into the phone and then hung up.
Hi Ladies,
So sorry to hear of your stories. Unfortunately experiences like ours are the norm instead of the exeption. Our clinic is in the beginning stages of planning. We just met with one of the partners two weeks ago to plot how we will move forward.
Unfortunatley I cannot disclose the location as the clinic wants this to remain shhhhh until all is a go, but it will be within the Twin Cities metro area. I can’t wait until the day comes when our doors are open to help women.
Lauren, I am so sorry for what you experienced with your miscarriages. God bless you.
Thanks for your compassion everyone.
Carla, I would have lost it too had my doctors office done that. Thankfully, they just sort of left me alone after the miscarriage.
Carla @ 3:43, That’s awful! Yikes!
Well, when my mom went into premature labor with her baby that died from spina bifida, the nurse came in the morning after her son died and said all bright and cheery, “So, what’d you have?” My mom said “My baby died last night.”
Ironically, this was at Christ Hospital..the same Christ Hospital that leaves babies to die in soiled utility rooms. So, I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised they were that way to my mom.
Anyway, this is such a sad story. I will be praying for the family and for the sweet little bebe. :(
Elizabeth, Another sad story. It’s hard to believe those things happen.
Yep, and her baby wasn’t born dead, but the spina bifida he had wasn’t the kind you could live with, and my dad went with him while he was passing, because my mom was young and didn’t know how to handle the situation, and the nurses came in and were like “Don’t worry, he’s gasping for breath now, he’ll be dead soon.”
Isn’t that GREAT!
I would have seriously beat those nurses down if it were me.
Elizabeth, you would think that the nurse would have looked at the chart! My goodness. I’m so sorry for your mother’s loss.
Elizabeth,
I am sorry your mom and dad had to go through that!
It is really hard to believe how women are treated!!
Does your brother have a name?
Ya would think so, Lauren. But it is Christ Hospital. So, I can’t say I’m surprised.
Yes, Carla, his name is Sean Patrick..he’s buried next to his grandpa who died when my dad was 9.
I’d just like to mention that I *do* think it matters if the doc is prolife. When my cousin Cassie’s baby died at about 7monthts, her doctor cried with her when they were doing the ultrasound.
Actually, could you guys pray for her. Her little boy was due this month.
My husband is Patrick Sean, Elizabeth. :)
I will pray for her, Lauren.
Carla,
So sorry that happened to you. You’d think they would have a better system in marking someones chart to alert staff that you had miscarried.
Elizabeth, how insensitive of those nurses. A nurse I met lost her baby and after he was born, the attending nurse had him in a pan in her hand and said “what do you want me to do with this?”
How cruel.
I also know a woman who delivered a full-term stillborn. She had felt him kicking pretty hard one day and then he didn’t move much later that day. She soon went into labor and deliverd her son who they determined had died to due the cord being wrapped to tightly around his neck.
When she mentioned to the doctor that he was kicking pretty hard and then stopped before she went into labor, he proceeded to tell her that the kicking movement was him probably struggling to live. Nice. That memory is now engrained in her head and won’t ever forget what this doctor told her.
Carla, Elizabeth, Janet, Patricia:
All you ladies have tremoudous strength and courage. The stuff you guys go through and put up with is amazing. Only God counld create a woman.
And, that’s why women have babies and not men.
Wow, Sandy, that is horrible! I’m sure the woman could have figured that out on her own anyway, but for a doctor to be that insensitive is just horrible. The doctor who delivered my baby was great, and he also happened to be the doctor that delivered me. :)
I 2nd that Hisman, sometimes I think women are tougher than men.
Elizabeth, sorry about your brother.
Thank you, HisMan!
That’s absolutely awful that some people are so insensitive….
I am sorry for all of y’all that had to endure that kind of pain and insensitivity. Y’all are much stronger than I could be.
Ditto to Lauren as well.
Midnite678,
Thank you.
I love your y’alls. :)
DIRECTED TO: HisMan, posted August 19, 2008 12:29 PM
“For the 54,000,000th time,….”
Too funny…thanks for making me laugh; needed it !
“For the 54,000,000th time, yes Obama does object to trying to save babies, and that’s exactly the point you’re not getting.”
Hisman, please point me to the law that Obama supported that would prohibit a doctor from saving a baby following an abortion attempt.
Its funny, you’d think this does something positive for the anti-choice crowd, but really no. The womans right to choose remains.
When she mentioned to the doctor that he was kicking pretty hard and then stopped before she went into labor, he proceeded to tell her that the kicking movement was him probably struggling to live. Nice. That memory is now engrained in her head and won’t ever forget what this doctor told her.
Posted by: Sandy at August 19, 2008 5:18 PM
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Medical personel can be simply horrid. Some incredibly kind. Dad’s surgeon wept when he came from surgery to tell us there was nothing to be done. Dad had a nurse during his last days that was horrid to him. It has to take some tricky balance to not let dealing with death on a daily basis either make you too depressed or too discompassionate if not just plain mean.
Sally,
I am sorry your Dad had a horrid nurse.
Can you tell nurses to bug off?
Do you think some just get hardened by seeing death and not wanting to get too emotionally involved?
I wouldn’t make it as a nurse. I would be a puddle.
There was a story in Boston a couple years ago where an orthopedic surgeon went to the Bank while he had a spine operation in progress.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE1DA173AF93AA3575BC0A9649C8B63
Hal,
OMGosh. You are way smarter than your last post.
No Sandy, I’m not. I’m certainly missing something about this whole “Controversy.” I really don’t get it. Doctors can save any baby they want to. If they decide not to, I assume they have a valid reason, or at least in a better position to figure things out than the government.
not a doctor who was intent on killing the baby in the first place.
Sally,
I am sorry your Dad had a horrid nurse.
Can you tell nurses to bug off?
Do you think some just get hardened by seeing death and not wanting to get too emotionally involved?
I wouldn’t make it as a nurse. I would be a puddle.
Posted by: Carla at August 19, 2008 7:33 PM
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We had nurse Nelson removed and a nurse friend of the family tended to dad. I went to school with nurse Nelson’s son. He was a total jerk as well. Who knows what went on in that family!
I was about to join the nursing program at our high school when we found out dad was going to die. It changed my mind.
I certainly don’t belong in the same league as Carla, Sandy and Lauren. I’ve never had a miscarriage that I am aware of and I’m sorry that these women have experienced this tragedy. You all have my heartfelt sympathy. I have friends who have had miscarriages so I’m aware of how difficult it is to the degree that I can be….
I mean, what do you say to a mom? You can have ANOTHER baby? I think women themselves are better these days at acknowledging their loss and supporting one another through this difficult time. And a good doctor can help.
A hug and an “I am so sorry.” :)
A hug and an “I am so sorry.” :)
Posted by: Carla at August 19, 2008 8:47 PM
And an ear to listen…..
Excuse me Hal, a doctor can be sued for wrongful life if he was hired to kill a baby and botches it. And if you think that ridiculous you should not be a pro-abort.
Therefore, even though morally and ethically obligated to save a born alive abortion survivor, there’s an inherent conflict of interest presented if saving that baby could result in a lawsuit.
I think one of the reasons the BAIPA was structured to eliminate the temptation to do the right thing in favor of self preservation.
Remember, blasphemy is turning the moral table upside down. Get it? All kinds of insanities and incongruities eminate from embracing a pro-death ideology which are indefensible and illogical. Oh the web we weave. And this goes directly, not only to Obama’s morals, but also to his IQ.
To a pro-lifer, Obama is an enigma. He claims to be a Christian but embraces ungodly philosophies. He a law professor, but votes against what laws are suppored to do, protect the weak from the strong.
You make me weep Hal.
Carla, Lauren and Sandy, I find that many doctors, both male and female, tend to dismiss women and their medical and emotional needs as just overly sensitivity or irrational. It’s so hard because you do just want to lash out, but that would just be proving them right.
My Grandma and I had similar experiences with doctors, me with mono and her with lyme disease. Of course it doesn’t compare to you experience, but it definitely hurts to have someone who is supposed to be helping you talk down to you, just let you down or hurt you worse.
My hamsters veterinarian was a better doctor, he was very kind and empathetic and asked a lot of questions, then explained everything that was happening. A month later he called to check up on my hamster.
Jess,
No need to lash out. Find a new doctor and let admin know why you found a new doctor. I have written a couple of letters in my time. One dr. was asked to relocate after they added my letter to the growing pile.
The worst part is I don’t remember which doctor I had, it was not my regular one and I was so sick I could barely sit up. If she had actually taken my temperature she would have known it was 104. I wasn’t faking it.
The nicest doctor to me during that time was actually a Middle Eastern man. He said it was the flu too, but at least he bothered to run some tests.
When I got to the hospital it just took the nurses one look at my pee in a cup to tell I was in deep trouble. Yeah my pee was dark brown, most people know that’s not what pee should look like : (
Aw, Jess your hamsters vet sounds great!
I’m sorry you had a bad experience w/ doctors when you had mono. I’ve never had it, but from what I understand it’s really miserarble.
You probably had it when you were a little kid, for children it’s not nearly as sever and most just pass it off as a bug. Almost everyone has the virus in their bodies, and can pass it to others when their immune system is low.
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SoMG:
How do you sleep at night? In some sick way do you come on this site to get rejected so that you can feel like you’re doing penance and be justified in your total disregard for the unborn?
All those little ears of murdered babies that will never hear what you hear on this earth….because of your values and actions.
However, payback’s always a b__ch, and while they’ll be listening to the voices of millions of angels in a dimension your limited brain couldn’t imagine, well, you’ll……(fill in the blank my friend).
If I ever hurt a child, born or unborn, I don’t think I could handle that. And then to talk about opera on a pro-life site as an abortionist. What am I missing here? Are you satan incarnate?
Patricia,
That’s what a lot of people said to my mom after the funeral of her son. “You can always have more children.” Yeah, like she’d even want to after THAT. Well, she did..right away because she figured if she waited too long she would never do it out of fear. And that is how I got here. :) My mom always tells me I have something very important to do here because a baby had to die for me to be born.
And now Gabriella is here because of you.
Yep. :)
Patricia,
That’s what a lot of people said to my mom after the funeral of her son. “You can always have more children.” Yeah, like she’d even want to after THAT. Well, she did..right away because she figured if she waited too long she would never do it out of fear. And that is how I got here. :) My mom always tells me I have something very important to do here because a baby had to die for me to be born.
Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella’s Momma) at August 19, 2008 10:45 PM
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Your mother tells you that a baby had to die for you to be here? That is disturbing.
You couldn’t mean to say that if she hadn’t miscarried, you wouldn’t exist and she’s happy that you do?
Prayers…
My hamsters veterinarian was a better doctor, he was very kind and empathetic and asked a lot of questions, then explained everything that was happening. A month later he called to check up on my hamster.
Posted by: Jess at August 19, 2008 9:32 PM
Jess, if you want to see what hamster’s can REALLY do, you should read I, Freddy by Dietlof Reiche to your girl. Amazing, simply amazing.
Yeah, Sally, I’d say my mom is very happy that I’m here. I am her only girl after all.
I’m happy you are here too!! Gabriella is one blessed little girl!! :)
Such a sad story. This sweet baby girl is resting peacefully in Jesus’ arms. My prayers are with this family.
Sometimes parents choose to not give resusitive care to their preemies and micro-preemies, because their suffering would outweigh their chances of survival. This IS a parents choice, and a choice Obama chose to protect, if he would have helped pass the law- that choice would have been taken away from parents because physicians would have been required to give intensive care to all infants regaurdless of their level of suffering, instead of just hospice or comfort care.
If the legislation had been more well designed to not take away the rights of parents going through the horrible ordeal of a suffering preemie… then Obama himself said he would sign.