Ode to Obama and Born Alive “Burdens”
Sep.25, 2008 7:30 am |
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May God raise them up, fill them with His Holy Spirit – may they testify to the truth of abortion and the life, grace and mercy of our Lord, Jesus Christ, in whose name we pray. Amen.
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It’s just horrific. How do people think they have the right to do this to babies? What is wrong with pro-choicers?
This is sobering. I have put this on my blog as well.
Abortion and the sanctity of life needs to be pushed to the front of the discussion, especially during this presidential election season.
In His Word,
Scott
I have no words. Just silent tears falling for the precious babies we have forsaken. Lord, have mercy on us.
And this is what will continue to happen if Obama becomes president.
Wow, all I can say is “wow”. Our hearts have become hearts of stone…
Have at it, Hal. Isn’t abortion grand?
Thanks Christina, for putting Obama’s words into their correct context.
this needs to be widely distributed. I thought they said this never happens.
Jill:
Is there any way you can get something like this on national television?
If people could really see the evil that Barack Obama represents his campaign would quickly go down the drain.
This message has to get out to tens of millions of people, and soon, before it’s too late!
Here is a preview of Hal’s response:
Oh, you guys. Stop lying. Everyone knows that abortionists are saintly heroes who would never do anything wrong. There is no need to pass laws to protect babies born alive from the hands of the most virtuous among us, abortionists. Glory be to the Barack, the Hussein, and the Obama. As it was in 1973, is now, and ever shall be, abortion-on-demand without end.
Wow, this is the best one I’ve seen yet. God bless whoever made this video. Hope you don’t mind if I link up to it.
How does one see this video? There’s no link and I can only find the script on RealChoice.
Granny G has done the most compelling and comprehensive
research on women killed by abortionists over the years.
Prayers she is planning to put a book together highlighting
the bottom feeders.
Dang! How can “people” defend these barbaric acts against fellow human beings?????
May God have mercy on us…
Mike
Depending on your browser, you may need to allow “Scripts” from One true Media. I use firefx and I have the noscript add on, but I allowed OneTrueMedia.
So today we learn, by his own words, that not only does Barack Obama think that a baby is a punishment, but also, an additonal burden.
Gee, what do you think he thinks about me and you and you and you…….?
Is everyone expandable at the altar of expediency, convenience and self-interest? What about the disabled, the mentally handicapped, the infirmed, the elderly? Are these not the least of these?
Do you have any idea where this all leads?
Beautiful and profoundly sad at the same time.
I do love the way they are making these things easy to copy and paste on your own website, I’m building up quite a collection.
It leads to Soddom and Gommorah like conditions, except our country is becoming one where instead of life being valued, its disposable (e.g. abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide).
Thanks, Liz. I’ll do that !
The abortion issue needs to be pushed to the front of all presidential discussions. It is the one issue upon which all other issues hinge — if a person thinks life is important from conception then he will most likely think everybody’s life is important and govern in that manner.
Hey, I just watched a clip where Obama says he’s traveled to every corner of the United States, and has been to 57 states, with one more to go.
And he’s “ready”?
Check out the second video down:
http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com/
And this is what will continue to happen if Obama becomes president.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at September 25, 2008 8:58 AM
Obama’s not President now, is it happening? Love how everything is Obama’s fault in your view.
Nobody with any conscience could possibly vote for Obama. At best he is an empty suit, at his very worst, he is willing to give a thumbs up to pre-meditated murder.
As someone earlier had written, our hearts are really now hearts of stone and, as he shows so clearly everytime he opens his mouth on this subject, Obama’s seems to be the most granite-like of all.
I’m praying that America can save itself from this disaster and turn itself around somehow and find the soul that has gone so utterly missing from so many.
Obama said he would sign the “Freedom of Choice Act” which would make killing babies like Ana Rosa and Gianna LEGAL, even if they survived abortions (like they did). That’s my POINT.
Maybe we should bring back slavery. After all, back then they didn’t consider BLACKS to be PERSONS. They considered them to be PROPERTY. Sounds familiar……. “its my body!” (Abortion) “its my property, I can do what I want!” (Slavery)
(No, I don’t want Slavery back.) However, this country has gone downhill since 1973. What will it take for America to WAKE UP? Another CIVIL WAR?
How has this country “gone downhill” since 1973? We are safer, happier, cleaner, more educated, and tolerant, and on the verge of electing an exceptional man to be our President. Women, gays, disabled people, minorities, all have better opportunities then in 1973. I’ll grant you the last 7.5 years have been rough, but if we can just hold on a few more months, help is on the way.
I can only assume that Satan is hard at work brainwashing the minds of those who support Obama and think that abortion is a non-issue. We need to pray SO hard. Thank you, Jill, for your fervent work to get the truth out into the public. Prayers that it will all fall on open minds and open hearts.
anyone know who the artist is that is singing the song?
yor bro ken
link to o’bama web page
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian
‘Senator Obama…is a committed Christian.’
link to article on politics and religion by o’bama
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-07-09-forum-religion-obama_x.htm
“And yet, despite all this division, we are united by the fact that Americans are a deeply religious people. Ninety percent of us believe in God, 70% affiliate ourselves with an organized religion, and 38% call ourselves committed Christians.”
By two or more witnesses it is confirmed, Barack Obama considers himself to be a ‘committed christian’.
That means he has submitted his life to the lordship of Jesus the Christ. As such he has agreed to be disciplined by the body of Christ as described in:
Matt 18:15-20 15 “And if your brother sins, go and reprove him in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. 17 “And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax-gatherer. 18 “Truly I say to you, whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 “Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.” NASB
1 Cor 5:3-5 3 For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. NASB
1 Cor 5:9-13 9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters; for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he should be an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler — not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves. NASB
2 Cor 2:5-11 5 But if any has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not to me, but in some degree —in order not to say too much — to all of you.
6 Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority, 7 so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, lest somehow such a one be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him. 9 For to this end also I wrote that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. 10 But whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ, 11 in order that no advantage be taken of us by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his schemes. NASB
The goal of the prescribed discipline is not revenege, vengence, but repentance and restoration. It is an act done out of love for the body of Christ as well as the individual member. There is only one body, one Spirit, one LORD.
1 Cor 6:15-17 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? May it never be! 16 Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a harlot is one body with her? For He says, “The two will become one flesh.” NASB
Eph 4:4-6 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. NASB
I take mr. o’bama at his word that he is a ‘committed christian’. That being true, then he is a member of the body of Christ and what he both says and does affects and influences all the individual members. mr. o’bama has made his sin public. Jill Stanek and others confronted him in person on more than one occasion and in front of many witnesses. mr. o’bama has chosen to trade his soul for the world.
The body of Christ, which is bigger than any one denomination has a responsibility to our LORD Jesus and to ourselves to expel the member who is causing great harm, to himself, to his family and to his community. We should do this with the hope that God will be merciful and grant him repentance.
In the authority of Jesus, in accordance with Holy Spirit, I declare you Barack Obama are loosed and amputated from the fellowship and the life of the body of Christ. I caution all followers of Christ everywhere, do not associate yourselves with this man until he has demonstrated in measureable ways his repentance.
yor bro ken
Forgiven, and being saved and redeemd by the unmerited grace and love of God.
Kenneth Hoyet Bridges
“Obama’s not President now, is it happening?
Posted by: Hal at September 25, 2008 10:59 AM”
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I can’t believe how Hal can turn a (very) blind eye to the slideshow presentation…
Is it happening? In the real world, it is..but probably not in yours, Hal.
If it’s happening, despite Jill’s Law, then I guess that law isn’t all it was cracked up to be.
Is Obama a true Christian or a Muslim?
Does he really believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ? Can Obama pass the Jesus Test?
Take the Jesus Test to find out if you are a true Christian at http://www.sentforlife.com/jesus.html
To find out when a fetus gets human rights see http://www.sentforlife.com/abortion.html
Hey Hal…just curious…do you pray?
RSD, no. I have never prayed.
LOL, Christina (GrannyGrump) misspelled Barack’s name.
And LOL at her blog. Childbirth kills far more women than abortion, but she doesn’t care about those deaths.
Hal: How has this country “gone downhill” since 1973?
It’s missed out on cures, real statesmen, true humanitarians and so many gifts intended by the Creator. Your loss effects us all, Hal. Your ilk has worked to deprive the rest of us of brilliant and gifted brothers and sisters. And that loss has created its own obvious imbalance witnessed in the greatest depravity probably in human existence’s history since it’s now universal. And you’ve lessened the world’s own peace of mind in the paranoid generations of those who have the shadow following them that they too might not have breathed your own life giving air if conditions had been just a little different. And they admit that. Such a legacy of the culture of death you’ve foisted upon the rest.
And the fact that good laws now exist to attempt to counter the evil, cannot fully persuade the reprobates from breaking them. At least now, if they’re caught, they get a little taste of the justice they’ll be due at some time…even if your belief is only the logic of karma!
With advances in medicine, childbirth is NOT as dangerous as it was in the 1700s. And anyway, the CDC does not separate abortion related deaths and childbirth related deaths. Probably because they don’t want to admit that women DO and HAVE die(d) from ABORTION. Women like Christin Gilbert, who died following an abortion at Tiller’s abortuary.
reality @12:48
So ‘reality’ when your mother was pregnant with you what species of embryo/fetus was resident in her womb?
Your math only works if you do not state the obvious ‘reality’: Abortion, by design, kills at least one human being, but there always at least two victims.
Hal,
And this is what will continue to happen if Obama becomes president.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at September 25, 2008 8:58 AM
Obama’s not President now, is it happening? Love how everything is Obama’s fault in your view.
By definition, something HAS to be happening NOW in order to CONTINUE…
what a touching video!
Hal,
It’s me, and I don’t beat on you remember? I’m being really, really serious here…
Is this true?
RSD, no. I have never prayed.
I know you’ve heard me say that it is possible that people on here that are pro choice have never had a prayer said for them in their entire life, but I never took it far enough. People on here that are pro choice might never have prayed themselves.
You’ll have to forgive my shock. That concept is so totally, completely foreign to me.
If I ask you something will you answer honestly and not take offense? Because I mean none.
Would you ever consider doing an experiment with me? A prayer experiment?
Hey all you pro abortion people…… as Ronald Reagan said….. “I’ve noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.”
testing
Hi mk. You are so sweet. It’s true, I have never prayed. Does you prayer experimnet require me to pray?
RSD, no. I have never prayed.
Posted by: Hal at September 25, 2008 12:43 PM
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LOL, Christina (GrannyGrump) misspelled Barack’s name.
And LOL at her blog. Childbirth kills far more women than abortion, but she doesn’t care about those deaths.
Posted by: reality at September 25, 2008
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Moderators and Commenters: Here are two statements that show why these two people are adding nothing to any conversation taking place on this board. This post shows the survivors of abortion and is very moving to anyone with a heart, yet the usualy pro-death folks are here mocking life.
One dismisses God and other thinks abortion is a LOL over and over again.
Really, why let these folks cloud the conversation? Why try to convince people who are profitting from abortion either in their bank accounts or in their own strange self-image. It’s either a mis-guided hobby for they to haunt this blog for hours at a time, or part of their jobs.
This is a pro-life blog which advocates for life and not a platform for these weirdos to blab about their devotion to death and profit.
Anonymous at 2:12 was me.
Anonymous, if Jill wants me off her pro-life blog, all she has to do is ask.
“RSD, no. I have never prayed.
Posted by: Hal at September 25, 2008 12:43 PM”
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Thanks, Hal..for your honesty on this matter.
You know, sometimes mental images tell you a lot. For example, a mental image of McCain and Palin gives the impression of a May/December couple, or a father and daughter. A mental image of Obama and Biden gives the impression of a “California couple”. So, the O/B ticket will probably win California.
“A mental image of Obama and Biden gives the impression of a “California couple”.- Doyle
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Ewwww, Doyle….now I’m gonna have nightmares tonight….
Doyle, they’re up 55 to 36 in California, so I would say that’s a good bet.
I don’t know why Obama/Biden reminds you of California, however, neither have ever lived there. Biden is pretty “East Coast.” Do you have the same mental immage of other policians who are both male, like Bush/Cheney or Reagan/Bush?
Black Church Initiative? Explain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLuZEwipGEg
Just a quick comment about disabled people. Hal thinks they are better off now than in 1973. Well, let’s just remember only the ones whose mothers and fathers allow them to be BORN. The rest of them have ended up in the soiled utility room or worse (I seem to remember something about a garbage disposal for medical waste from the Detroit area abortionist who threw the babies in the trash).
And let’s not forget that 90% of babies with Downs are aborted!! A shocking but true number.
But wait, there is more horror! Babies who were aborted because the TESTS told their parents and doctors they were not perfect, yet, after the abortion, they did not have the disease or illness (for example, spina bifida).
True, I was speaking only of disabled people who exist.
because to hal, being murdered by abortion is equal to never having existed, ever. (don’t tell him otherwise, anyone. i’d hate for him to perhaps experience a pang of guilt for having killed not one, but two of his kids in such a manner)
I don’t think Hal exisits.
HAL was the name of the computer in 2001: A Space Odyseey. If anyone has seen the movie, they know why I am mentioning the computer. (If you know what HAPPENS).
Interesting……to say the least.
Thanks for pointing out the misspelling, reality. Dyslexia is a bitch!
And for anybody who wants to know, the song is “Lesser Things” by Jars of Clay.
HAL was the name of the computer in 2001: A Space Odyseey. If anyone has seen the movie, they know why I am mentioning the computer. (If you know what HAPPENS).
Oh yes. That definitely discredits everything Hal says… or something… do you have a point besides an attempted personal attack?
Hal:
Your sarcasm has descended to new lows.
What, Planned Parenthood’s script has changed?
You’re not even worth responding to any more.
Does not compute. Does not compute
I think Christina cuts to the heart of the question of why these atrocities happened, and why someone such as Barack Obama would want to strike out entirely on his own in politics to ensure that these kinds of killing orders can continue. At a point in each horrific chain of events Obama’s words are ‘held up.’ Held up as Obama would hold up these, his own his own words in high regard, in respose to a tragedy such as the way in which baby Rowan died. I can think of nothing more terrifying. I think Christina has illustrated Obama’s character and his abberational thinking well.
This is one amazing video. Brought tears to my eyes. I am so glad more people are learning the truth of Obama.
BTW,
I think Obama just gave his BIGGEST LOUDEST “present” vote ever by avoiding the whole Wall Street crisis. He won’t get involved because he is too chicken. He won’t put himself in the mix to resolve this issue because he is too afraid anything he does will come back to hurt his presidential candidacy.
So he sat like an empty suit in a few meetings today. Big deal. While others are working deligently to save our economy, he is yapping on all of the talk shows throwing spears at McCain for rolling up his sleeves.
Obama has no business running a car wash.
How anyone could support this socialistic blather mouth is beyond me.
Socialism is a perfectly acceptable way to run an economy. Canada is… well it’s like a hybrid between socialism and capitalism, many many European countries are socialist including our closest European ally Britain.
It’s dumb when people use socialism and communism synonymously… and misunderstand both, anyhow. No one wants a totalitarianism, I can tell you that much.
Perfectly acceptable to who Leah?
This video is done so well…incredible job ….
Most countries in the world, Sandy. Socialism isn’t as scary as you think, I promise. Lord…
“Throwing spears” Sandy?
I wouldn’t comment but I’ve heard this from the right about three times in the last 24 hours and never before. From the urban dictionary:
spearchucker
A racial epithet refering to someone
(usually a male) of colour. In the hierarchy of epithets….not as bad as it gets.
LB,
Your complaint has been brought up before about numerous posters, some who are still with us, and some who’ve been banned becuse they squandered their second, third, and fourth chances.
In a nutshell, while they can be woefully annoying, they display to the rest of the world how warped prochoicism is. They do a dandy of a job making our case.
Perhaps you may remember SoMG. In case you weren’t around while he was here, he was our resident abortionist. He posted some pretty shocking, sick things. Yet, it was a learning experience because one could read the depravity of the abortion mentality, hook, line, and sinker.
Some wanted him out. Others, such as yours truly, argued for him to stay. I felt the world had to see for itself to what extent a self-proclaimed abortionist can reduce himself.
So until Hal, Reality, et al flagrantly violate the rules, it’s up to Jill.
Carder, let me repeat. If Jill wants me gone, don’t wait for a rule violation. Just ask.
Christina,
I think you did an amazing job. Really. I have watched your video several times today. Thank you.
Hal,
I DO NOT want you gone. You take a lot of abuse here and I am amazed at the patience you show.
As to whether you’d have to pray or not…well yes…but not formal prayer. Just talk to Him. Even if you feel like an idiot. Every night for one week can you have a conversation with my imaginary friend? As a favor to me?
Just tell Him that you don’t believe in Him, but as a favor to me you’re just sayin’ hi. That’s it. One week.
It won’t change anything. I’m not expecting miracles, and you shouldn’t either. I just want to see what happens at the end of a week.
I’ve been praying for you for over a year now. And you’re still here. He already knows who you are, from me, so you don’t even have to introduce yourself.
What do you think?
MK:
Yo te adoro.
You’re such a sweet person.
http://leahelaine.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album19&id=elephants
Those are my elephants, by the way–hand-made in Bangladesh out of terra cotta. C’mon–cool, right?
LB etal,
It’s easy to be a Christian, to know God, to have experience Him, to have a relationship with Him…and expect everyone else to see Him/Know Him too. But I remember when I didn’t know Him. I remember when I wasn’t graced. Don’t you? Or have you always been on His team?
Hal doesn’t know Him. He has no reason to believe that He is real. Rather than berate him, belittle him, and ridicule him, why don’t you try introducing him to your friend.
People that don’t know God, see the world differently. Hal has no concept of things like the sacred (I’m not putting you down here Hal, it’s just stuff that you haven’t experienced), objective morality, natural law, holiness, angels…how can you blame him for living a Godless life, when He hasn’t experienced God?
This isn’t someone who knew Him, grew up with Him and then rejected Him…I mean really. Think of it. He has NEVER prayed. NEVER. Do you see that you are holding him accountable for something that he really and honestly doesn’t understand???
Cut him some slack, and thank God tonight for the opportunity to open your hearts to Hal. Thank God for giving you a chance to play a role in something bigger than yourself. Reach out to him…
For a number of days now I have been watching you guys just rip him to shreds…it’s killin’ me.
Hal, don’t let it get to you. As foreign as our faith is to you, your lack of it is a mystery to many of us…
we all have to try to see this from the “other” point of view.
Hisman…you were his friend…
Oh my Gosh Leah, those guys are ADORABLE…kind of goofy yet majestic. One of our priests is from Tanzania. He speaks Swahili. I’m gonna have to send him your pictures…what possessed you give polish indian elephants swahili names???
Hal,
I don’t want you gone either, however, a little bit more open mindedness on both sides would go a long way.
Hal,
I agree with MKs 7:51 post. Except you don’t have to respond. Just try it. No one even has to know. If nothing happens, nothing loss, just a little embarrassment to yourself. But if there is something to it, if you do feel His presence, it could change all of eternity for not only you but possibly your entire family. I don’t know if anything will happen if you try and talk to him or not. But it can’t hurt anything, no one has to know. Come on, if both MK and I ask a favor, maybe you’ll consider it… :)
There’s the Hisman I know and love. Of course we don’t want Hal gone. We want him saved. But we won’t accomplish that if we constantly make him feel inferior to us. Heck, we might never accomplish it, but its GUARANTEED we won’t accomplish it if we keep attacking him.
You’re a good man Hisman. And I honestly believe that Hal is a good man too. We just need to tweak his conscience a bit…:)
a) Swahili is awesome–I covet the knowledge of an African language.
b) My boyfriend really likes Polish and I said he could name the two big ones. He’s yet to come up with a sufficient name for the daddy elephant… slacker.
c) I didn’t know they were from Bangladesh until a few days ago. My boyfriend volunteers at the place that sells these elephants and he found out for me.
d) Fun fact about Leah: I went out of my way the other day to buy a National Geographic because there’s a feature article about elephants. There are pictures that are sooooo cute they bring tears to my eyes.
My boyfriend (eff… his name is Taylor–I hate calling him “my boyfriend) said we can live in the country after we graduate and we can have some sheep and chickens, which is almost the most amazing thing ever. But I’ll be very sad not to be able to have an elephant.
But cool! Farmer Leah, yo!
Bobby,
I had just asked God, (I swear this is true) to let you know what I had asked Hal, and to tell you to back me up…and voila! Here you are! Thanks.
You’re the bees knees!
MK:
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: yo te adoro.
(yeah, I studied French in America and I’m studying Spanish in Canada… so what if I’m backwards?)
Leah,
That is a hoot. Bethany is in the process of MAKING a chicken coop AND a goat pen. You should check out her blog. I’m so jealous. I’ve got two gerbils, a rabbit and a dog…but I want MORE AMINALS! I loves them. I want a llama.
I want an alpaca! I knit and I LOVE knitting with alpaca wool because it’s sooooooooooo soft. When I was driving through northern Michigan this summer Taylor and I SAW a place SELLING alpacas… the animals! But… I would have had problems getting them across the border… boo.
I’m not much of a person for pets, but if we have sheep, we should definitely have a border collie.
I do have a soft spot for kittens, though.
“I had just asked God, (I swear this is true) to let you know what I had asked Hal, and to tell you to back me up…and voila! Here you are! Thanks.”
Wow, talk about providence. I hadn’t even been checking the blog too carefully today cause I’ve been tied up on amazon.com. Nice :)
My dog is half border collie. Trust me, if you get a border collie, you need the sheep. Otherwise he’ll be herding bees and the neighbor kids!
I was at a Wizard of Oz store in Chesterton, Indiana, and the the guy across the street had a llama farm. They came right up to the fence and “kissed” us. I kid you not. I was with my Polish friend, Goska, at the time. She wanted to take one home right then and there. Nice trick for someone that lives in an apartment in Chicago. But you know those Polish…when they get an idea into their head. I had to drag her away…
Bobby,
Well, now it’s up to Hal…
(and our imaginary Friend…bwahahahah)
Leah,
I’m off to bed now, but I’ll check for your answer in the morning…
What the heck kind of Polish name is TAYLOR????
And I think you should name the other elephant Stanislaus.
Well, Taylor and I also joke about having 32 kids… so maybe we’d need the border collie for them. :):)
He can only have boys too. Can you imagine 32 boys? I can hardly imagine two.
lol, MK. He isn’t Polish–he just thinks Polish is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He’s a good Scots boy. Wears a kilt. Rawr. Schmexy, I’m not gonna lie.
Sleep tight!
Christina,
wow, very revealing video, great job.
“Socialism is a perfectly acceptable way to run an economy. Canada is… well it’s like a hybrid between socialism and capitalism, many many European countries are socialist including our closest European ally Britain.”
Leah, I don’t think that their economies do as well as ours, overall. For instance — higher unemployment, higher cost of living. Patricia — can you expound?
If Norma McCorvey (JANE ROE for those who don’t know) can have her heart changed, I am sure you can, Hal. Please take mk’s suggestion into consideration. You may have your eyes opened.
Norma McCorvey, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, Dr. Carol Everett…..Lets hope we can add YOU to this list, someday, Hal.
Come on Hal, try! (No one has to know.) :^)
Hal, I’m rooting for you!
MK:
I love you too.
Yep, none of us is perfect. The Lord makes sure we all know that. It’s called humbling and it’s all for our benefit.
Keep me and my family in prayer please. Just goin’ through some fire right now. I’m trusting Him though and all will be well.
Carder, MK, Bobby, Liz —
I hear you loud and clear about Hal. I have prayed for him too. It would be nice for him to see at least a little like we do. Perhaps, I’m not as spirtual as you all, and I need to work on it myself.
My problem is that I come to this site from the perspective of a single mom who nearly had an abortion. I haven’t forgotten the pressure that I felt to have an abortion. There are a few other single moms who have said the same thing.
When I first found this site, one of the pro-aborts (since banned, I believe) constantly attacked the single moms who posted. She forced many people off and I left for a while. Single moms have a lot to add to the conversation, especially since society constantly paint us as tragic failures. We stood up to a lot and are going about the work of raising children and offer a positive message to women in crisis. We each have a story and a perspective because we ran the guantlet for the life a child.
I wonder if women who are struggling with a crisis pregnancy happen unto these comments and see the constant posting of the pro-aborts — and just run out. Or let their superior, non-chalant attitude toward life affect them.
A crisis pregnancy is a crisis. So much of the society is pushing abortion and to have pro-abort people on this site constantly yucking it up troubles me. The repeated circular arguments and misdirection off-topic at times is not just allowed but encouraged.
I am for saving souls and helping others see the light on abortion. But as a pro-life site are we getting distracted by the spiritual problems of the pro-aborts at the cost of having women led astray?
I really respect all the spiritual, pro-life warriors on this site, but I worry about the dilution of this site’s message.
I, for one will re-think my encounters with Hal and his crowd. Yet I think his personal abortion history should not be forgotten, in case new readers and commenters are unaware of where his ‘advice’ comes from.
Stepping down from my soapbox… and shortly off to bed.
“We are safer, happier, cleaner, more educated, and tolerant, and on the verge of electing an exceptional man to be our President.”
Hey, Hal just endorsed McCain? Who knew? He have, because McCain is the only exceptional man running for president.
I am probably the only Christian pro-lifer here who truly does not care whether or not I or anyone else is “saved”. Of course, I would rather that everyone get to Heaven, but I am not particularly worried about ending up in Hell for eternity. If it happens, it happens. What I don’t like is the intentional killing of innocent babies. That’s what bothers me more than anything else.
If it would actually help to convince pro-abortion people to become pro-life, I would abandon my Catholic faith, just so that I could say I’m a non-religious person who is pro-life and argue it from that perspective. But, fortunately, I know enough to know that every single argument you can possibly make against a pro-abortion person is going to fail. If they are not interested in facts and truth, and they are NOT, no amount of facts or truth is going to convince them. Talking with them is like talking to a brick wall. It’s all so ridiculous.
And in case I’m misinterpreted, no, I have absolutely no intention of ever abandoning Christianity. I’m just saying that I would probably do it if I thought it would save the lives of babies. But, we need more Christianity to save lives, not less.
“Just tell Him that you don’t believe in Him, but as a favor to me you’re just sayin’ hi. That’s it. One week.”
For you and Bobby, sure. Ask me next weekend how it went.
My problem is that I come to this site from the perspective of a single mom who nearly had an abortion. I haven’t forgotten the pressure that I felt to have an abortion. There are a few other single moms who have said the same thing.
When I first found this site, one of the pro-aborts (since banned, I believe) constantly attacked the single moms who posted. She forced many people off and I left for a while.
I, for one will re-think my encounters with Hal and his crowd
I really respect all the spiritual, pro-life warriors on this site, but I worry about the dilution of this site’s message.
Posted by: LB at September 25, 2008 10:04 PM
And there it is again, a person is finding this site(comments) a assault upon their pro-life sensibilities.
Lb will leave, drift away, and eventually check in to read the “headlines” of Stanek. But, there will always be a Hal, a self admitted child molesting advocate. Sally, the anti-Catholic bigot that every post site has. Doug, the pirate captain, raising the flag of choice, while actually demanding death upon his pirate ship of abortion.
And a few assorted mind puppets(Reality,Erin,Jess) of the three classic examples of pro-abort personalities, represented by Hal,Sally, and Doug.
Fact is LB, Jill needs them more, then she needs you, to drive the ratings of this site. Take Patricia, she’ll have days where she is the only pro lifer posting at this site against some tag team of pro aborts. Some days, this post site easily has more pro aborts posting, then pro lifers.
Eventually, all post boards have a core element of posters that actually drive away those that don’t meet some personality mirror, reflected back to them by other posters. Friend or foe, makes no difference.
Soo, what can be done about this board and the tolerance for pro-aborts who drive away more pro- lifers then pro-aborts?
Nothing really, because Jill doesn’t even post at her post site, often. That she has a core element of pro aborts is good for?. That she has no real core element of pro lifers staying/posting(non-moderators) as long as her pro abort element, is that the posters with the most convictions are pro aborts. Kind of ironic, and why you’ll leave LB.
yllas, LB, etal:
I understand what you’re saying. I honestly do. But there are other pro life sites out there that are ONLY for pro lifers. This is not one of them.
There have been many changes of heart, some small, some great, on the part of the posters here.
PIP, Samantha T, Dan (He just announced he’s going back to the Catholic Church), Alyssa, Rae…and how many more that we don’t know about.
Their souls are every bit as important as mine.
And so are Hals, and Sallys and Dougs…Erins, Realities, Amandas and Sweet Jess’…
The day this site becomes strictly for prolifers is the day I leave and find somewhere else to post.
Preaching to the choir is all well and good, but what is the point? I see pro lifers everyday and we pat each other on the back, pray, protest…but only here, do I(we) have the chance to truly touch people and change their minds and hearts.
Yes, there might be pro lifers out there who don’t post because of what they read here. But they will continue to be pro life.
BUT, there might be pro choicers who read and don’t post, that are having their opinions challenged…and who might post one day…as prolifers!
Like Hal, just say the word and I too will leave, and this can be a purely on topic pro life website…
Yllas,
That she has no real core element of pro lifers staying/posting(non-moderators)
Golly, I think Janet, Patricia, Mary, Christina, John L, Hisman, PIP, X, Carla, Sandy, Lauren and a whole host of others will be sorry to hear that you feel that way…
Is this site just for the posters/commenters? What about the larger audience? Most people who read blogs and their posts, will never comment, but that doesn’t mean they don’t matter.
I don’t think we need to ban all the pro-aborts – but the giving them run of the boards is crazy. If they go off-topic, it should be reined in.
One last think before I head out, Jill’s story is very important at this time as it is an issue in the campaign. Should we be focused on that now?
LB,
I said the pro choicers were AS important, not more important, than the prolifers.
Yes, everyone counts, but the prolifers will remain prolifers, won’t they?
Yes, focusing on the election is important, but not to the exclusion of everything else.
As for going off topic, reminding Hal every five minutes that he is a baby murdering monster has nothing to add to the election conversations, does it?
HAL,
Let me ask you something…if something happened, some scientific proof, or God came down in person or whatever, and you honestly believed that your babies were babies and not inviable tissue, would you regret the abortions? I mean you changed your mind and truly and honestly saw it our way and believed with all of your heart that your two kids were real, as real as the ones you are raising???
Would you have made a different choice, or regret the one you did make?
LB,
I admire you so much. You and Elizabeth and other young single mothers. If I had my life to live over again, I would have carried that baby to term and gave birth and raised her. She would be 18.
You are doing what I wish in my heart I would have had the guts and the courage and the support to do!!!
God bless you!! :)
i try to respect hal, and not lose my cool with him. it’s particularly hard to do so for me, for a couple of reasons. first of all, as someone who went through a difficult time with her significant other in a crisis pregnancy where he was urging me to abort, it’s hard not to project my feelings from that time on to him. those are my own personal issues, and my wrath is my own failing, and the inability to let go of those old feelings is an emotional scar i bear to this day, and probably always will in some way.
My biggest problem with Hal is him just repeating the mantra. he seems to either ignore or intentionally misconstrue half or more of everything I say. a pet peeve I have is being humored or ignored. it’s disrespectful and not constructive to the dialogue in the least. i really don’t wish any harm towards hal. i hope one day he can see the error of his ways, feel those feelings towards all of his children they deserve that he has denied some of them his whole life, give them their mourning, regret his wrongdoing, and eventually forgive himself and move on to finish his life as a truly good man. i cried last night because i want that so badly for him and his family.
at this point, though, i am at a loss, and fully understanding of LB’s position on the matter.
xalisae, I apologize if I have not shown you respect. There are some here that really bug me, and I probably let those feelings spill over to others, like you, who don’t.
First, I can assure you I put no pressure on anyone ever to have an abortion. The first one was scheduled before I even knew she was pregnant. Second, I’m can also assure you that I will not “see the error of my ways.” We just feel very differently about this issue. I have been trying to have more patience and respect for those in teh “pro-life” camp. I do understand why they, generally, cannot get past my views and actions. I’m okay with that. I come here voluntarily (and unfortunately without pay ;) )
mk, that’s a difficult question. If I saw things the way you do, and therefore believed an abortion was the same as killing one of my children, I guess I would have regret what I did. I sure would regret if anything I did caused harm to my children.
If God came down today and said, “MK, I told you guys no pork, yet you’ve been eating pork in defiance of my wishes all your life.” Would you regret all your years of eating pork? (I’m not equating the two issues, just looking for an analogy where God tells you what you used to believe was wrong.) Maybe a better example, because it better captures the huge mind shift you are suggesting, would be if Mohammad convinced you after all these years with absolute proof that Islam was the one true faith, would you regret all your years as a Catholic? Hard to even imagine such a thing, isn’t it?
well, Jews still adhere to the no Pork & Hindus consider the cow to be Sacred. Catholics (Age 14 and older) are required to abstain from Meat (and this also means soup broths made from meat)on Fridays during Lent + Ash Wednesday.
Some men or women involved in abortion later DO come to regret it – maybe not 5 years later, but 20 or 30 years later.
Some days Hal I can hardly understand how you can come here. There have been some nasty comments directed at you and I apologize to you for that. I can’t recall that you have ever lost your cool here.
What strikes me the most I guess is that you and I both have abortion experiences. What is said to you can be said of me as well. Right? I think about that a lot and I do pray for you too.
X,
Tears are one of the most honest forms of prayer.
Carla, what’s interesting is that I don’t get upset about the attacks realted to abortion. I understand that it’s a hot button issue. (and–as pointed out–I feel no remorse, so it’s not a sore subject). However, some of the anti-Obama, anti-gay, anti-progressive stuff does put me into a rage. I am passionate about our country and I do get upset about people advancing such damaging (in my view) policies.
And I should probably let you know, your story has affected me, and made me more aware of what should have been the obvious fact that some women get abortions because they think they have no choice, not because it is their choice. I think we can agree that shouldn’t happen.
Hey Hal, for the record, I DON’T want you to change…
How’s that for supporting your CHOICE?
If you feel you don’t need to pray…DON’T pray.
If you feel you don’t need to ask for salvation…DON’T ask.
If you feel you don’t believe in a higher being…DON’T believe in one.
You were already informed, advised, prayed on, lifted up…that’s all we can do.
Obama said he didn’t want either of his daughter’s “punished with a baby”. That’s sad.
I don’t want homosexuality pushed on kids (As young as **5** years old, mind you) as “normal” just as you wouldn’t want someone pushing the bible on you, okay?
I’d love to have a first Black president, but Obama is too radical pro abortion for me.
I come here voluntarily (and unfortunately without pay ;)
Rats! I was going to ask if your employer had any job openings. When I post from work I’m getting paid in spite of posting here, not because of it. :(
Hal, I don’t want to get too personal here in a public space where people might use whatever I say to call me an unlovable whore, but I do understand what you’re saying. A lot of it. I hear people express sadness at the idea that there are some in this world who have never had anyone pray for them before, and I only see it as a sadness for the loneliness it implies. What I mean is, I don’t really feel any sadness for that fact on a spiritual level.
I don’t know how to react when someone says they’ll pray for me. I do appreciate the gesture, more than I can articulate — the fact that it means something to them makes it mean something to me. But it doesn’t really mean something to me by itself, you know?
I admire the patience you show here, I really do. I try not to share too much about myself at places like this anymore because I got so frustrated at being treated like that. I won’t say that I pray for you, because I don’t know if it counts as prayer if there’s no one on the listening end, and I don’t know if there’s anyone on the listening end at all — but I do keep you in my thoughts.
Thank you, Hal. I have walked your path. I truly do know what it is like to think it was my right. Which is why I am drawn to you and your story as well. Oh, and Erin. :)
Yes. A choice of one thing is not a choice.
Hal,
as you know I as a pagan before going home to my Cahtolic roots. So I DID have an entire other belief system. That I had to give up. And have a complete mind switch…and I DO, oh I DO regret many of the things that I did.
What we are talking about with you, is the knowledge that you didn’t just end a blob of tissue but actual human beings. I must assume that that would be a helluvan insight and cause great pain and regret.
Do you see the difference? I’m not just asking if you’d recognize the wrongness of abortion, but if you’d recognize what you had actually done, and regret it.
If you truly believed that they were actual children, I imagine you’d have to feel as bad as if you were to kill the children you have now.
My point in asking, was to show that you aren’t a heartless bastard like SoMG, but a decent man that just doesn’t understand. And there is a huge difference. I don’t think you would do something that was evil if you knew it to be evil…see?
I don’t think you would do something that was evil if you knew it to be evil…see?
Posted by: mk at September 26, 2008 12:00 PM
Of course not. But I think very few people would do something they thought was evil. Very few. SoMG doesn’t think he’s doing evil. Bush probably doesn’t think he’s doing evil. Everyone has justification for their actions.
What I think you’re saying about me is you think I’m a “good person” and therefore should be able to see the evil in abortion, while others are not such good persons and will never see the evil in abortion.
Hal @ 10:47,
I know sometimes too many cooks spoil the broth, and I don’t mean to butt in. Just want to say I understand your analogy completely! Making a huge mind shift is unimaginable to most of us. You can tell mk (she’s so smart!) realizes this by the way she asked you to “just say hi”. :o)
But I think very few people would do something they thought was evil.
IMO, you are naive to believe that. There many people who have no conscience. I wouldn’t put you in that category though.
Hal,
I, like Carla, know exactly where you’re coming from, and can relate to being in the position of really NEEDING to argue day and night about how abortion is “nothing” in order to protect yourself from the horrible reality. It’s perfectly understandable; and very, very sad.
yllas: Fact is….
Fact is you’re a nut, acknowledged by pro-lifers and pro-choicers alike.
You’re welcome to whine all you want. If anything, fear of being associated in any way with you, given the things you’ve posted, would drive away more pro-lifers than anything else you can dream up.
That was a bold, though probably butty, forecost of yours about energy prices, though. We’ll see.
yllas,
You are not a nut. Doug is. So am I.
Hal,
I think SoMG is well aware of the fact that what he is doing is evil. I honestly think he doesn’t care.
He gets paid. Period. He has said as much. He admits the those are full fledged children. He has no delusions that they are just a group of nonviable cells. But if a woman wants to eliminate them, he’s fine with that because it makes no difference to him…they aren’t his kids. And she’s paying him.
I think Janet is right. Many people realize that what they are doing is evil, or wrong, if that word suits you better, but do it anyway.
I’m not saying that you are a good person and therefore SHOULD see that abortion is wrong. I don’t think you are capable of seeing it at this point because that’s what you were taught. Any more than and bushman can see that putting bones in his nose is probably not all that good of an idea. It’s what you know.
I think that you are capable of seeing that abortion is wrong, however, because you are a good man and truly desire to do the right thing. Getting you to see it, is a different story all together. It would take some serious “unlearning”…and you’d have to be a willing partner.
Let’s just leave it at you’ll “pray” for a week.
Carla,
Me too! I wanna be a nut!
mk’s a nut
she has a rubber butt
everytime she turns around
it goes, “putt, putt!”
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t… :)
I prefer to be referred to as a “cashew”…with a caustic shell, and hard to reach, but worth the effort…
X,
Sweet!
Aw, nuts!
my daddy used to say that all the time when i was a little girl. ;P
Happy Friday, nutty buddies!
Happy Friday to you too, Carla!
yllas, You are not a nut. Doug is. So am I.
Carla, no – yllas is a nut, and you and I are not.
MK,you’ve been a super-sweetheart lately, and as far as “the presence of Pro-Choicers on Jill’s blog,” you have made a difference to me.
Bethany too, and Bobby. And already I feel bad, because there’s no real way to be “fair” to all the pro-lifers because I love Janet, Carla, Mary, Elizabeth (and oh forgive me because I went to an all-you-can-eat-Pike deal tonight – and of course before you eat you have a few drinks…) and there’s no way I can be fair to all.
Relative newcomers – Doyle and Oliver – very good – the ability to see the greater truths despite their own beliefs. Guys, I know all our differences, but I sure appreciate your minds and approaches.
So anyway, MK, here is how I have changed. I see (to a greater extect) the honest feeling behind many Pro-Lifers’ positions; and I see that many Pro-Lifers are well willing to “walk the walk” as well as “talk the talk,” and there Bethany gets first prize.
I also now know that perhaps consciousness is there in the unborn earlier that what I thought was the case, and that makes a difference to me.
I think that SoMG played with people to some extent because she or he knew they could. “Tease them with facts” as was mentioned at least once.
And from Carla: Tears are one of the most honest forms of prayer.
Can’t argue with that.
My problem is that I come to this site from the perspective of a single mom who nearly had an abortion. I haven’t forgotten the pressure that I felt to have an abortion. There are a few other single moms who have said the same thing.
I was married at the time that I felt the pressure. And had my husband had a prochoice friend instead of a prolife friend, I’m sure I’d have gotten a reassuring pat on the hand and “I know it’s upsetting, but you have to do it and I’ll help you get through it.” The person would have thought he was helping me. Whereas Eddie really DID help.
Thanks for all the complements. It’s been viewed about 1,500 times. Which is hardly making it a viral video, but it’s by far the most popular one I’ve ever done.
I also went through my notes and blogged the other live birth cases I found. These were the ones I found searching for “baby”. I’ll try tomorrow with “infant”, and maybe again with “birth”. There are more cases I vaguely remember but I don’t remember enough details to find them readily.
Is there any way you can get something like this on national television?
If people could really see the evil that Barack Obama represents his campaign would quickly go down the drain.
This message has to get out to tens of millions of people, and soon, before it’s too late!
That’s where all the bloggers come in, if we repost it that’s a chance for more and more people to see it.
As for the person back at the beginning of the comments who asked who was signing in the background. I belive it’s a Jars of Clay song, not sure off what album though.
“I think that SoMG played with people to some extent because she or he knew they could. “Tease them with facts” as was mentioned at least once.”
Of course SoMG was manipulative. This board was yet another outlet for him to prove his superiority. His implosion toward the end was proof of that.
And that’s what I find tragic at the same time.
That was a bold, though probably butty, forecost of yours about energy prices, though. We’ll see.
You’re welcome to whine all you want. If anything, fear of being associated in any way with you, given the things you’ve posted, would drive away more pro-lifers than anything else you can dream up.
Posted by: Doug at September 26, 2008 9:17 PM
First, the price of petroleum products will continue to drop, but not too quickly, as to allow hugh capital investments by USA investors.
Once the capital investments have been put through the pipeline(investment banks!!), then the Cartel will lower the boom on petroleum products. They did it before, and will do it again. Afterall, M.E. oil production cost, to get oil outta the ground, is about $2-10 a barrel.
Banks busted in the 80’s betting on the chumped Jimma Carter predictions that it REALLY IS a oil crisis. Today, Jimma is a dhimmi for Arabs. Afterall, a little mea culpa brings money to Jimma’s pet projects somewhere in the world. To bad he just didn’t give those Shites the one man they wanted; the shah who murdered and tortured his “subjects”.
As for pro lifers I drive away, they are given a argument by me about why they are pro-life in truth. X, being the last case of basing her pro life argument on the principle of the goodness of sex.
And that is my intellectual honesty, which I have, and you fail in thousands of post Doug. You defend a anti-Catholic bigot, a child molster named Hal. The lunacy of Laura, the comes around go around lite weight philosophy, so common amongst your allies for deathsex.
Because, in the final analysis of Doug, no matter how vile, how committed to simple propaganda, your inability to write to your allies in deathsex, a simple rebuke of their bigoted, propagandistic, simple minded wants for abortion, tells more about you then you know about your intelletual honesty, Doug.
Your a classic case of dogmatized propaganda for deathsex, who began to believe all the thoughts, wishes, wants, and desire to murder innocent human beings, that lived before you. You always wanted to believe in abortion from being rasied in the nightmare creator’s version of Calvin’s mind. God is a murder, a murderer from the beginning, and the father of lies.
Abortion is the final act of the full goodness of sex, Doug, you know it, love it, and want others to join you in your intimacy of murdering human life, as the final act of sex.
Or is abortion lacking some goodness Doug? What goodness can the sexual act of abortion lack Doug?
I like you Doug, because your vanity always must provoke a self serving defense, of even one word written about you. You fail to see my mocking of you, since mocking a vain person, is to know their vanity is unable to see the mockery being made of them . It’s the penality of their vanity. The not knowing their vanity is being mocked. You think I’m being “obtuse”, when I’m mocking your obtuse writing at this post site . You fail to know your obtuse writing’s source, is from your being unable to admit one word ever written in matters of abortion, was lacking good, since every word of Doug on matters of abortion, is the full goodness of abortion, as known by Doug.
The circle of dogma is complete.
P.S. The rich(or you pick a name) want their money back, and they ain’t going to allow anymore of their money out of their piggy banks, till they get what is due them. And neither would you Doug, if someone took your money, promising to pay you back, and failed on that promise.
The day this site becomes strictly for prolifers is the day I leave and find somewhere else to post.
I said the pro choicers were AS important, not more important, than the prolifers.
Yes, everyone counts, but the prolifers will remain prolifers, won’t they?
Posted by: mk at September 26,
Well MK, you have failed in your own thinking about this site. You have contradicted yourself in the first two sentences I have reposted.
PC=PL= importance
No PC= me leave.
Pro choicers are MORE IMPORTANT to you, MK.
I have made a three sided triangle, or equation of your two sentences mentioned above.
Soo, if all sides are “equal”, as in a equilateral triangle, and one side is removed, your above statement of “leaving this site”, if the equal side of PC is removed, and only the “strick” side of PC is left at this site, reveals your unequal thinking and prejudice for pro choicers.
Or, to make sure you get your contradiction for pro choicers at this site; The day this site becomes strickly pro choicer is the day I leave this site. No you won’t, your a ally of pro choices at this site, by not choosing equality of the three sides of the triangle made of importance,PC, and PL.
Or, here is your denial of truth coming at you MK.
PC=PL=importance
No PL, me not leave, or would you MK?.
Afterall, your mission is to increase the souls for the God of pro-life, or saving those souls, while not doing anything to actually keep the souls that are pro life for God.
Which leads to the final sentence I have reposted.
Yes, everyone counts, but the prolifers will remain prolifers, won’t they?
Tell me MK, if you believe in natural law, which is based on thinking about the biblical phrase of it “being written on the heart” of every person to know right and wrong, then another contradiction has occured in your own principles of natural law.
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All people born are pro-life by the natural law reason, that murder is wrong.
True or false MK?
And if you answer true, which you must MK to uphold natural law, then every person who is pro abort, was FIRST pro life, by reason of the natural law stating, that murdering innocent life is wrong, and known to be wrong from birth by all.
Yes MK, everyone counts, but the natural law born, as pro lifers, must become pro aborts(and they do, by the multi millions) for you to then save there natural souls in a equation of equal souls.
You got it wrong MK, totally wrong. Everyone begins as a pro lifer, if natural law is true, and then becomes pro deathsex.
Yllas,
You got much of that right…except it’s NOT PL=PC.
It’s ProLIFERS = ProCHOICERS…God doesn’t love pro lifers more than prochoicers…and neither do I.
I’ve said it many times. I HATE abortion. But I do not HATE people.
There are plenty of pro choice sites I could go to if that was my goal.
I choose to post here, because we have both.
You’d have to ask Elizabeth, Bethany, Val, Bobby, Patricia, PIP and many, many more, if they feel that I love prochoicers more than them. Or if I deal with them fairly. Let them speak for themselves…
I’m honestly sorry that you don’t see that. Jesus did not come for the healthy, but for the sick. He did’nt go around pattin’ all of His followers on the back. He hung out with those that needed Him. I’m just following His example. Jesus ate with His friends yes. But when He ate with sinners and his friends objected, He didn’t chastise the sinners. He chastised his friends.
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she stood behind him at his feet weeping and began to bathe his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them, and anointed them with the ointment.
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When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who and what sort of woman this is who is touching him, that she is a sinner.”
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Jesus said to him in reply, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” “Tell me, teacher,” he said.
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“Two people were in debt to a certain creditor; one owed five hundred days’ wages 12 and the other owed fifty.
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Since they were unable to repay the debt, he forgave it for both. Which of them will love him more?”
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Simon said in reply, “The one, I suppose, whose larger debt was forgiven.” He said to him, “You have judged rightly.”
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Then he turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? When I entered your house, you did not give me water for my feet, but she has bathed them with her tears and wiped them with her hair.
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You did not give me a kiss, but she has not ceased kissing my feet since the time I entered.
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You did not anoint my head with oil, but she anointed my feet with ointment.
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So I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven; hence, she has shown great love. 13 But the one to whom little is forgiven, loves little.”
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He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
Luke 7:36-48
Janet: I know sometimes too many cooks spoil the broth
Yeah, but also – “many hands make light work.”
Abortion is the final act of the full goodness of sex
yllas, you went off the deep end again.
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the price of petroleum products will continue to drop, but not too quickly, as to allow hugh capital investments by USA investors.
We will see. Enough economic slowdown, and sure – prices will go on down – but for the world as a whole I don’t think that’s yet a given.
Where do you see “huge capital investments” from US investors? The problem now is “not enough money” rather than a whole bunch of money looking for a home.
Anyway, things can get fairly bad in the US without the whole world going negative as far as economic growth, and China, India, Brazil, etc., are increasing energy consumption fast enough that I think your forecast on energy prices is wrong.
As usual Doug, you intelligence fails to understand the statement “Abortion is the final act of the full goodness of sex”.
Do you deny that abortion is the final act of the full goodness of sex?
If you are incapable of knowing that abortion is connected to sex, well your just plain gone off the deep end again, Doug.
As for economics and your thinking that supply and demand are operating, or “economic slowdown” has anything to do with the price of petroleum is fanciful thinking.
I can double your profits and reduce your workers any time I want to. Simply by raising the price, and reducing cost by removing workers and the machinery needed for production.
And you’ll buy my commodity and complain about price and blah blah blah. But you’ll buy dude.
The formula works for non-perishing commodities and durable goods that don’t rot. Such as refigerators to electronics, and beyond.
Oil doesn’t rot. And as a economic adviser to those that produce the commodity of oil, the question is asked, how would you like to get rid of those whining workers and double your profits?
Double the price on that barrel of oil which is already figured in at a production cost of $2/barrel, and raise it to $4/barrel.
Same with coffee, chocolate. In fact, spread the rumor, or it is true, that their was a freeze and those coffee beans will be in short supply, but you really have multi-tons of beans from previous harvest at lower production cost.
You really are a sucker stuck in the typical economic theory as taught by some loser teacher of economics, who should be making money from his knowledge instead of being a third rank loser at some university or high school. Fact is, the board of governors of the Fed are all economic professors and are getting a lesson in economics in which they “don’t understand” or lying through their teeth. Hence, Bush addressing the nation with that “deer caught in the headlights look”. Bernanski(sic) too!!!
You think as all liberals do, from one side of the equation of supply and demand, thinking that supply and demand actually works. You concentrate on the side of the consumer, or supply side pricing.
Where do you see “huge capital investments” from US investors? The problem now is “not enough money” rather than a whole bunch of money looking for a home.
Posted by: Doug at September
Commercial bankers have nothing to do with home loans,student loans, car loans and other consumer loans that are forced upon them by federal laws. No cdo’s please. In fact, commerical bankers quit loaning short term paper last year to deadbeat bankers and their deadbeat customers. The beginning of the end for all those banks that were forced by HUD to loan to deadbeats. May I have another commerical loan to pay my employee’s please? NO, get lost loser, and pay me for that last loan you got from me, to pay for your employee’s, with my money.
Already $billions have been loaned out for Texas oil rigs. No HUD law forced them to make loans to young deadbeats, or greedy sixties geners, since they avoided that area of financing. And multi-billions more is available. You’ll find no EOCA in “oil/commodity banking.”
ABANA bankers are no fools either. Money is to be made, and the Arab Bankers Association of North America has a trillion petro-dollars to invest in the USA. And they are doing it.
There is no money for home loans. And smart bankers knew that years ago. But, there will be plenty of loans for apartments, since that is where those deadbeats will end up. Come on dude, it was over for automobile loans years ago, and the auto business adapted by being the first to offer so called sub prime loans. Just 100 dollars down, and a payment of 200 hundred dollars get’s you in a car today!! No job? No problem, drive out today in a new Mazda,etc. Say hello to GMAC.
And now the democrats/republicans are asking you to pay off those deadbeats automobile loans.
Ah, another civil right. I have a right to a car by reason of the US governmment.
But, you think like a typical stooge of the liberal education system. Which is why your another person that has a 401k, reasoned on beating the taxes of course, while wanting more taxes via Obama!!!, a mutual fund(hillariously with AIG),a house that you still owe on from years of never paying off what should have been payed off, before that trip to South America. And don’t forget that intrinsic striver mentality of always having a car loan as either you or your wife has.
Got you number dude?
The rich want their money back, and until they get their money back, they are not loaning one penny more, to anyone for anything.
China, India, Brazil, etc., are increasing energy consumption fast enough that I think your forecast on energy prices is wrong.
Posted by: Doug at September 27, 2008 9:36 AM
No, and if you think that those nations are responsible for oil pricing, your being taken to the cleaners again dude.
Think dude, if the worldwide automotive manufacturers are not announcing hugh profits,increased production, from ALL those cars being bought in second world nations, then someone is lying again.
As for “energy”, coal,nuclear, and dams are increasingly being built in the second world nations.
The word “energy consumption” is a vague misty word, worthless, unless one breaks apart energy consumption into petroleum consumption energy, and non- petrolem energy.
I can’t believe your lacking the knowledge to know anything beyond mass media catch words, that are meant to be meaningless, eye on the hole, misdirecting, and to keep one from thinking with full knowledge.
It’s ProLIFERS = ProCHOICERS…God doesn’t love pro lifers more than prochoicers…and neither do I.
My post, concerning your “leaving this site” if it became “strickly pro life”, is your announcing your bias for pro choicers.
PC are more important, or greater than Pro lifers for you MK, at this site.
Fact is, that while you tend to the wayward sheep, those that were born into the natural law that denies abortion as right,or pro life born, become pro aborts by the multi-millions.
I was healthy, and you did not come, I was naturally against abortion, and you did not come.
I was wealthy and you didn’t come around. I was of good spirit and you did not come. I wasn’t sinful, and you did not come.
Where are you ? I’m tending the non-healthy, the sinner, the unhappy, and the poor.
Well, that might explain why those born into the natural law become sinners/pro aborts, and have Mk come a runnin”.
Cause we all know, God is out tending all his sinners, while the good go a looking until they look no more.
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The Prince then reproaches him for not having conducted himself, in the circumstances, in a rather more “evangelical” manner:
«THE PRINCE. – He who is truly filled with an authentic evangelical spirit will find within himself, when the need arises, the facility of using words, gestures and his aspect to influence his poor ignorant brother who wishes to commit a crime or some other guilty act. He is able to create such a startling impression on him that he immediately recognises his fault and forsakes the path of error.
THE GENERAL. – Saints in heaven! Are you really advising me that before the bashibazouks who were roasting little children, I should have made some touching gestures and pronounced a few touching words?
MR Z. – Words, perhaps, would not have been quite appropriate owing to the intervening distance and the fact that neither of you understood the other’s language. And as for gestures calculated to make a startling impression, you may think what you like, but nothing could have been more fitting in the precise circumstances than rounds of shells fired.
LADY. – Really, what language and what instruments could the general have used to make himself understood by the bashibazouks?
THE PRINCE. – I never said that they could have acted in an evangelical manner towards the bashibazouks. What I said was that a person full of the authentic Gospel spirit would have found a way, in this case as in any other, to awaken in these blind souls the good which lies hidden in every human creature.
MR Z. – Do you really think so?
THE PRINCE. – I have not the slightest doubt about it.
MR Z. – Well, do you think then that Christ was sufficiently imbued with the authentic Gospel spirit?
THE PRINCE. – What is the significance of this question?
MR Z. – It signifies that I wish to know why Christ did not use the power of the Gospel spirit to awaken the good hidden in the souls of Judas, Herod, the Jewish high priests and lastly of the impenitent thief whom people completely forget when they speak about his good comrade. For the positive Christian conception, there is no insurmountable difficulty in this […]. You may twist and disfigure all you like the text of the Four Gospels, but the facts will remain no less undeniable, and this is the very essence of our argument, that Christ suffered cruel persecutions and was put to death precisely because His enemies hated Him. The fact that He Himself remained morally superior to all this, that He chose not to resist and forgave His enemies, is easy to understand, both from both my point of view and yours. But, why, in pardoning His enemies, did He not – to adopt your language – free their souls from the appalling darkness in which they were stagnating? Why did He not vanquish their wickedness with the power of His gentleness? Why did He not awaken the good that lay dormant in them, why did He not enlighten and regenerate their minds? In a word, why did He not act on Judas, Herod and the Jewish high priests as He acted on the good thief and on him alone? Once again: either He was unable to do so or He did not wish to. In either case it is evident, according to your argument, that He was insufficiently imbued with the true Gospel spirit; and since we are talking, if I am not mistaken, about the Gospel of Christ and of no one else, it would appear that for you Christ was insufficiently imbued with the authentic spirit of Christ. Congratulations!»
The prince is unable to reply; he is beaten on the basis of his own principles…
Are you MK, a person full of the authentic Gospel spirit who would have found a way, in this case as in any other, to awaken in these blind souls the good which lies hidden in every human creature.?
Or congratualtions Mk, your awakening in the blind souls, at this site, the good that lies hidden in every creature.
Let me just throw another shout-out to the other PC’ers that post on this board diligently and in spite of the vitriol. (holla!)
As a choice supporter, I have found most on this board to be patient and respectful even though my beliefs are so different than theirs. And frankly, that’s the only reason I stick around. So, thanks for the civility.
Ahhhhh yllas,
I would hope that all the good natural born prolifers were out there doing the same thing I am. Gathering the lost sheep. If one of them gets lost in the process, we’ll go search for them too.
You do it your way, I’ll do it mine. I’m sure there are soldiers needed in every area.
Jesus WAS there for Judas, but it was ultimately up to Judas himself.
What would have happened to the woman that washed Jesus’ feet with her tears if Jesus had rebuffed her?
It is not up to me to decide which prochoicer the spirit will decide to move in. It is only up to me to try to wash Jesus’ feet with my tears, by loving the unlovable.
If I am on a team, I assume the other team members are doing their job. My focus is on the other team…I can’t imagine too many football games could be won if the players were focused on themselves instead of the ball.
Bobby, Bethany, Val, Elizabeth, Patrica, PIP, Lauren etal, are all aware of each others moves and play accordingly. WITH each other, instead of against each other. We ARE a team. We share a common goal. We are not all quarterbacks. Each of us plays a different position. None of us hinders the other. Together, I believe, we have gained the respect of the prochoicers here, and have their ears if not their hearts.
Will we save everyone? Of course not. But guaranteed, we will save NO ONE if we don’t try.
When I meet my Lord he will not care whether I won, but whether I played, and whether I played fairly, with love, according to His rules of the game.
Peace.
What a load of garbage. I’m for McCain but let’s have some truth, here….that quote from Senator Obama was taken completely out of context. Get real, people. Obama wants to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies….a mission all of you should consider a bit more thoughtfully. Maybe teaching kids about safe sex wouldn’t be such a terrible thing, huh? Look at Bristol Palin. Congrats on choosing to keep the baby. You should have never had to be in this situation in the first place.
Hey Hal! It’s me, Angele. I haven’t been here in a while. :-) I saw Christina’s video and just decided to hit all the blogs for a few minutes.
I like asking you questions and never rag on you, right?
I have another one for you. I promise, no matter what your answer is…as per usual, I won’t be miffed. I like the honesty factor we have here! :-)
You know a bit about my son’s story. (Rowan)
You know that there was no doctor in the building blah blah blah.
You know that once he was born and alive, I begged for an ambulance.
Well?
Do you think it was right for them to let him die by simply not calling the ambulance (and later turning the EMT’s away after my friend called on my behalf?)
If I hadn’t wanted him to live…that’s one thing. Maybe some women don’t. …but for those who do?
Again, you know I won’t be mad…whatever you say. It may sting but trust me, I have likely heard a lot worse.
Peace,
Angele
Angele,
I was just thinking of you today!! Probably because I keep playing that video over and over and over…:)
Anyway, my two youngest sons(almost 3 and 5)love the photos of Rowan and they call him by name. They adore his tiny fingers and tell me he is so cute.
I was hoping you would stop by again so I could tell you again how precious your boy and you are to me!!
I have been wondering how you are!
yllas: Do you deny that abortion is the final act of the full goodness of sex?
No – abortion is ending a pregnancy. The sex ended a long time before, and abortion is not a sexual act.
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As for economics and your thinking that supply and demand are operating, or “economic slowdown” has anything to do with the price of petroleum is fanciful thinking.
We already did this before, and you simply do not know what you are talking about.
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yllas: Five years at the most, and the price of gas will be lower then today, by triple.
Heh – interesting multiplier there.
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Toyota/GMC/Ford/Mazda triples sells of automobiles in immerging markets. NOT.
What do you think that matters? Last I saw China was putting 10 million new automobiles on the road every year, and it won’t be long before they surpass the US. India’s not far behind as far as growth in the number of vehicles.
China’s oil consumption has been rising by almost a half million barrels a day, year over year, and that’s 35 or 40% of total world growth in petroleum demand. Even now, only the US and Japan are ahead of China as far as being a net importer of oil.
You seem to be approaching it like a tripling in demand would mean a tripling in price, and that’s simply wrong. If supply and demand are in balance, price tends to stay steady, but even a slight rise in demand above supply can result in the price being bid up and up and up….
Also, why do think it’s a “lie” that China’s demand for oil and energy in general is rapidly increasing, and has been for years?
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your a sad case of the common man approach to the energy crisis of the present time.
Considering the ignorance which you display about the energy markets, that’s pretty funny.
I don’t know what the “common man” has been doing, really, though it’s evident that many haven’t cut back on consumption, haven’t seen the ongoing megatrends for what they are, and IMO haven’t been heavily invested in energy since 2000/2001 like I have.
It’s not only oil – natural gas looks great, IMO, and so does uranium. Oil costs almost 10 cents a kilowatt hour for electrical generation, coal is about 2.5 cents, and nuclear is roughly 1.75. Bottom line – we’re going to be burning a LOT of coal for a long time, and hopefully the US gets its head out of the sand as far as new nuke plants and expansions. Of late there does seem to be some progress there.
There’s also wind and solar, etc., but they are still a drop in the bucket and energy consumption is slated to rise in the US (alone) so much that it looks like we’ll be using more oil, nat gas and coal all along, despite windfarms, solar arrays, etc. The Republicans are dragging their feet on having tax credits for the alternative energy sources, but they may so okay if the Democrats go for offshore drilling, etc.
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Since you think, you can think logically about any matter in your life, I shall prophesize,predict, inform you that the price of petroleum products will retreat to historic lows within 3 to 5 years.
I certainly don’t have a crystal ball, and have never claimed to. You seem to be verging on that, however. Okay, “historic lows” – exceedingly improbable. Oil was down below $10 a barrel in 1998, remember, as opposed to its recent peak over $140. No biggie, though – I wouldn’t hold you to it.
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Another words, the price of gasoline, which is what this election is all about, will be back to $1.50US., or lower.
I don’t think that’s what it’s “all about,” but a bold prediction by you nevertheless. We’ll see – a worldwide depression could do it. I see real weakness in the US economy, but that’s far less a deal for the whole world anymore as far as energy consumption. I think the average American is in for a declining standard of living for 5 or 10 years. Just how bad things get – I don’t know.
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Or, did you believe that sucker Jimma Carter, and his “we can’t drill our way out of the oil crisis”, of his administration? We drilled our way out soo well, that the cartel reacted to stop our drilling our way out.
You’re just way wrong there. US oil production peaked in 1970, and overall has been declining ever since. Carter was in office basically in 1977-1980, and in 1977 US production had already gone down by 14% from the 1970 peak. During the Nixon/Ford administration, it even went down from 1972 to 1973 to 1974, and October ’73 was the Arab Oil Embargo, and you ought to remember what a huge deal that was.
There were no great gains in US production during or after Carter’s time, either, so I don’t know why you’re acting like we “drilled our way out of the crisis.” US dependency on foreign oil continued to rise, and I think it’s at an all-time high now.
US oil production in 2007 was 47% less than in 1970. Feverish drilling might make some difference, but the easy-to-extract oil and the “elephant” fields are largely already found and in production or even in decline. (This is also true for the Saudis….another big deal for world oil pricing.) Meanwhile, US consumption of oil is forecasted to rise about 20% in 20 years. Would increased drilling even keep up with the additional demand? Even if it did, we’d still be importing as much foreign oil as we do now.
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“China, India, Brazil, etc., are increasing energy consumption fast enough that I think your forecast on energy prices is wrong.”
No, and if you think that those nations are responsible for oil pricing, your being taken to the cleaners again dude.
That’s not what I said. The point is that overall worldwide demand for oil is still increasing at this point, and the US is rapidly loosing market share as a percentage of worldwide consumption, though we still fire up a lot of oil, to be sure. It’s not impossible that world demand would continue to rise even with a stagnant US. As long as demand is rising faster than supply, then prices will be bid up.
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Think dude, if the worldwide automotive manufacturers are not announcing hugh profits,increased production, from ALL those cars being bought in second world nations, then someone is lying again.
in 2001 there were less than 40 million cars produced in the world. Every year since has had an increase, and 2008 will have over 52 million made. The facts do not support what you are saying.
Last I saw – earlier this year – Honda reported profits up 38% and sales up 10%, both to record levels.
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As for “energy”, coal,nuclear, and dams are increasingly being built in the second world nations.
True, but worldwide demand for oil is increasing as well.
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The word “energy consumption” is a vague misty word, worthless, unless one breaks apart energy consumption into petroleum consumption energy, and non- petrolem energy.
Well, while you appear not to know about this stuff, I do. Chart is from the Energy Information Administration.
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I can’t believe your lacking the knowledge to know anything beyond mass media catch words, that are meant to be meaningless, eye on the hole, misdirecting, and to keep one from thinking with full knowledge.
You have next-to-no-knowledge about this stuff in the first place. All you do is blather, without reality being involved.
yllas: But, you think like a typical stooge of the liberal education system.
You’re projecting, again.
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Which is why your another person that has a 401k, reasoned on beating the taxes of course, while wanting more taxes via Obama!!!
I don’t want more taxes; actually, for my income bracket, I think Obama has been shown to have a more-favorable plan.
I do indeed have a 401-K, and I max it out every year. To not save for the future is as crazy as you, IMO.
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a mutual fund(hillariously with AIG)
No – I’ve not had any financial stocks nor mutual funds involved with them for many years. Been pretty much energy since 2000/2001 and I remain there. A big part of it is Canadian royalty trusts, currently yielding around an average of 13%.
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a house that you still owe on from years of never paying off what should have been payed off
I bought my house in 1995, yllas, and I paid the whole amount right then. Never had a mortgage in my life on any real estate.
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before that trip to South America.
It was way before the trip to Argentina, and before numerous trips to Italy, and some to Jamaica, Suriname, Switzerland too.
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And don’t forget that intrinsic striver mentality of always having a car loan as either you or your wife has.
My last car loan was paid off in 1983. I currently have a 1997 Dodge diesel pickup truck that I paid cash for. My wife has a Honda Civic, which we bought for cash.
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Got you number dude?
:: laughing ::
As we’ve seen, you have an enormous capacity to be wrong.
(((((((((Carla))))))))))))!!!!!
You are so wonderful to me! How have yu been fairing? I did some perusing over at the O.O site last week…great stuff. When I get a spare moment, I would like to talk to you more about this. :-)
I am doing very well, thanks for asking. Just super busy, with my children, working on two projects and doing volunteer work.
Christina’s video is very well done. She is so kind to me. She called me to see if it would hurt me if she added Rowan’s part of the video. She is always so thoughtful, thusly, I always say yes! :-)
I’m always impressed by the vast amount of data she has at her fingertips!
Before I get back to my reports….
Hello to everyone. I miss hanging out and having lively discussions.
Take care all, and give my regards to Jill!!!!
Jill? Did you hear that?:-)
I’m thinking of you and oh so proud of all the amazing work you continue to do, I am praying for you daily!
Peace y’all!
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No – abortion is ending a pregnancy. The sex ended a long time before, and abortion is not
Posted by: Doug at September 28
Abortion is the last action of a sexual act. If you deny this, your unable to think beyond the fact that the last action of eating is defecating. Try not to use that metaphysical pry bar and decontruct all actions to suit your pleasures.
Do you deny the action of a food eaten that contains LDL(fat) final action is “the food” sticking to your arteries also? That the final action of eating is or can be a heart attack. Of course you understand the word “etiology” as pertaining to disease dude, but fail to understand the etiology of abortion.
PURE DOGMA, makes you unable to function as a rational person in matters of abortion.
As usual, your denial of any first premise is a slackers technique to turn the words of a opponent into a No. I thought you had some ability to have some intellectual honesty, but you have gone off the deepend in denying that abortion is the final action of a sex act. I like you Doug, you know that abortion is from pregnancy, and a pregnancy is from the action of sex, but not a abortion. Such dishonesty or a failure to admit my premise is from being a propagandist for abortion for way to many years. It’s a dogma with ya dude.
in 2001 there were less than 40 million cars produced in the world. Every year since has had an increase, and 2008 will have over 52 million made. The facts do not support what you are saying.
And how many were sold dude? And how many automobiles are junked that subtract from actual auto’s on the road using fuel? Toyota has shut down plants(San Antonio) and of course the US Big Three. Last time I looked, Toyo was numero uno in sales, not Honda. A hook of automotive manufacturers is to stop producing parts for their cars in as short as five years or less in today’s market. Many are replacement cars. A fact you leave out. BTW, it’s 73million produced in 07, and 71 million were sold. Those figures are from OICA. Which list for 07, these nations sales loss in percentage.
Austria 199,969 28,097 228,066 -17.0%
Belgium 789,674 44,729 834,403 -9.1%
Malaysia 347,971 93,690 441,661 -12.2% Look, a growing second world nation!!.
Taiwan 212,685 70,354 283,039 -6.7% Same!
USA 3,924,268 6,856,461 10,780,729 -4.5%
But, I could care less if more oil is used or less, since my prediction of lower prices are based on history and Cartel manipulations of pricing. The first thing in commodities is to always announce more production and lack of resources to fill the market demand. And you do know that liars figure the figures. Governments lie, to protect their interest, business lies, in a effort to increase profits. That is why I am having this exchange with you dude. And Cartel’s lie about production as a matter of business.
As for your personal finances. Good for you dude.
But, my remarks apply to multi-millions of people who are in such financial situations.
Then again, your ability to understand that abortion is the final action of a sexual act, makes me doubt your intelligence in matters attributed to abortion, and a hugh capacity to be wrong without knowing it from the accumulation of pure dogmatic knowledge.
P.S. Smart oil always finds a sucker looking for cheap petroleum products, such as diesel, and then up’s the price knowing a person won’t sell their ride from being driven by the cheapness inherit within them. Why, yes, there is a lack of ability to produce that diesel. That’s the ticket. Sucker!!! And your answer is? No other vehicle can deliever the power I need to pull the load I carry everyday. Really? Your a cheapstake looking for cheap ways to avoid paying for petroleum products. And once you dropped those “extra bucks” for that weak powered Dodge, you just can’t take being chumped dude.
“No – abortion is ending a pregnancy. The sex ended a long time before, and abortion is not a sexual act.”
yllas: Abortion is the last action of a sexual act.
You can link them together, cause and effect, sure, but you can do that with practically anything. Just as “sex eventually led to having an abortion,” you could say that abortion wasn’t the last action, because the attending doctor told the woman about his book club, and her attending of it occurred later than the abortion.
Thus, you could say that without having had sex, there would have been no abortion nor would she have gone to the book club, but neither of them is “an action of a sexual act.”
The sexual act was over and done, long ago, in both cases. Related events may occur later on, sure, but in no way are they necessarily “the last action of a sexual act” nor any action of it.
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“in 2001 there were less than 40 million cars produced in the world. Every year since has had an increase, and 2008 will have over 52 million made. The facts do not support what you are saying.”
And how many were sold dude?
Most of them, the vast majority. You had said:
worldwide automotive manufacturers are not announcing hugh profits,increased production
So, they certainly have been announcing increased production. I knew this, and of course you did not.
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And how many automobiles are junked that subtract from actual auto’s on the road using fuel?
Some, sure, but the fact that there are more and more autos on the road all the time remains.
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Toyota has shut down plants(San Antonio) and of course the US Big Three.
Yes, Toyota passed GM last year for most sales, worldwide. But what does Toyota shutting down a plant matter? World production (and sales) has still been going up, as I said.
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Last time I looked, Toyo was numero uno in sales, not Honda.
Yes, but you also mentioned worldwide automotive manufacturers are not announcing hugh profits And Honda is a good example of one that is, so there again you were wrong.
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A hook of automotive manufacturers is to stop producing parts for their cars in as short as five years or less in today’s market. Many are replacement cars. A fact you leave out.
No, what I said isn’t dependent on that nor excluding it. Sure, many are replacement cars, and just as I said the total number continues to rise as does oil useage.
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BTW, it’s 73million produced in 07, and 71 million were sold.
The figures I gave were for passenger cars. I imagine that your figures also confirm what I said – that production has increased for years and continues to do so.
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Those figures are from OICA. Which list for 07, these nations sales loss in percentage.
Austria 199,969 28,097 228,066 -17.0%
Belgium 789,674 44,729 834,403 -9.1%
Malaysia 347,971 93,690 441,661 -12.2% Look, a growing second world nation!!.
Taiwan 212,685 70,354 283,039 -6.7% Same!
So what? Nobody told you that there were no countries that had sales declines. What I said was that worldwide the trend has been up.
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But, I could care less if more oil is used or less, since my prediction of lower prices are based on history and Cartel manipulations of pricing. The first thing in commodities is to always announce more production and lack of resources to fill the market demand. And you do know that liars figure the figures. Governments lie, to protect their interest, business lies, in a effort to increase profits. That is why I am having this exchange with you dude. And Cartel’s lie about production as a matter of business.
My point is that worldwide demand for oil is forecast to increase quite a bit in the future, and it is very doubtful that production can keep up. Yes, gov’ts and businesses lie, but supply and demand have their effects.
The Saudis are notorious liars, but they tend to overstate reserves and production capacity. If an oil cartel “lies about production,” what does that matter? There is still so much oil for sale on the world market, whether they under-report or over-report.
World demographics and oil production and consumption figures point toward “rationing by price” just as happened with gasoline in the US this past year – price got high enough that usage actually declined a little bit, at least for a while.
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As for your personal finances. Good for you dude. But, my remarks apply to multi-millions of people who are in such financial situations.
Your remarks were but another lame attempt at ad hominem from you, and your almost unwavering tendency toward error found full flower there, once again.
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P.S. Smart oil always finds a sucker looking for cheap petroleum products, such as diesel, and then up’s the price knowing a person won’t sell their ride from being driven by the cheapness inherit within them.
Are you saying the cheap will inherit the earth? ; )
Diesel has been alternately both more expensive and cheaper than gasoline over the past few years. Diesels get better fuel mileage and are much longer-lasting engines, so the present higher-than-gas price is not that great a deterrent, IMO.
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Why, yes, there is a lack of ability to produce that diesel. That’s the ticket. Sucker!!! And your answer is?
Nobody told me that, yllas. There were plenty of diesels available then, just as now. I had thought about it a long time, and ordered just what I wanted, factory-made. I didn’t take anything out of dealer inventory.
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No other vehicle can deliever the power I need to pull the load I carry everyday. Really?
Of course not. There were more powerful gas engines available at the time. I’ve hauled over 6,000 pounds in it, though, and the diesel engine does fine.
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Your a cheapstake looking for cheap ways to avoid paying for petroleum products. And once you dropped those “extra bucks” for that weak powered Dodge, you just can’t take being chumped dude.
No, I’m not a “cheapskate” at all. The truck’s been nearly perfect. I’ve never felt it needed more power.
MK.
My one point is; PC(pro choice) are more important, or greater than, Pro lifers for you MK, at this site.
Play not the Dougster, either a yes or no is all that is required to answer the above statement.
I’m not writing about God and matters of his bias, I’m writing about your bias for pc posters at this board.
Jesus WAS there for Judas, but it was ultimately up to Judas himself.
MR Z. – Well, do you think then that Christ was sufficiently imbued with the authentic Gospel spirit?
THE PRINCE. – What is the significance of this question?
MR Z. – It signifies that I wish to know why Christ did not use the power of the Gospel spirit to awaken the good hidden in the souls of Judas, Herod, the Jewish high priests and lastly of the impenitent thief whom people completely forget when they speak about his good comrade. For the positive Christian conception, there is no insurmountable difficulty in this […]. You may twist and disfigure all you like the text of the Four Gospels, but the facts will remain no less undeniable, and this is the very essence of our argument, that Christ suffered cruel persecutions and was put to death precisely because His enemies hated Him. The fact that He Himself remained morally superior to all this, that He chose not to resist and forgave His enemies, is easy to understand, both from both my point of view and yours. But, why, in pardoning His enemies, did He not – to adopt your language – free their souls from the appalling darkness in which they were stagnating? Why did He not vanquish their wickedness with the power of His gentleness? Why did He not awaken the good that lay dormant in them, why did He was unable to do so or He did not wish to. In either case it is evident, according to your argument, that He was insufficiently imbued with the true Gospel spirit; In a word, why did He not act on Judas, Herod and the Jewish high priests as He acted on the good thief and on him alone? Once again: either He was unable to do so or He did not wish to. In either case it is evident, according to your argument, that He was insufficiently imbued with the true Gospel spirit; and since we are talking, if I am not mistaken, about the Gospel of Christ and of no one else, it would appear that for you Christ was insufficiently imbued with the authentic spirit of Christ. Congratulations!»
Your missing the point MK. It is about you, a evangelist.
I wish to know why Christ did not use the power of the Gospel spirit to awaken the good(will/choice) hidden in the soul of Judas?
He was unable to do so or He did not wish to. In either case it is evident, according to your argument, that He was insufficiently imbued with the true Gospel spirit;
Judas was a person who Jesus did not wish to awaken the “good choice” hidden in his soul. Or he was unable “to awaken” the good hidden in his soul.
Now, I know your a bright girl MK, and know where this is headed. Since Jesus doesn’t want to tamper with decisions made freely, Jesus allows, or is not capable of “awakening” the good hidden in human souls. He was unable to do so or He did not wish to.
Jesus allows “evil wills” to do “evil acts” upon his good nature(s)(born naturally pro life) of innocent human life, or he is incapable of awakening the “good decisions” that evil wills use of his good natures.
And your answer to the above statement is, MK?
Even Jesus was unable to awaken the “good decision/will”, that was hidden in Judas.
And you MK? If Jesus failed to awaken the good decision hidden in Judas soul, and it was there MK, then what can you really do, to awaken the good hidden in the soul of,——– say that “evil will/soul” of Doug, that is needed here, for your personal bias towards pro choicers that post here?
Your remarks were but another lame attempt at ad hominem from you, and your almost unwavering tendency toward error found full flower there, once again.
I’m mocking your style dude.
My point is that worldwide demand for oil is forecast to increase quite a bit in the future, and it is very doubtful that production can keep up. Yes, gov’ts and businesses lie, but supply and demand have their effects.
And I’m predicting lower prices, , as has begun dude. Check one for me, and you dude? Price, supply and demand are false info used by commodity markets to explain what “has happen” and sucker those that use predictions based on supply and demand correlating to price. Mainly in petroleum markets. But, used quite well in coca/coffee bean also. Come on dude, sugar is another market where demand/supply and price are not related to each other,except in the minds of economist, such as the one’s Bush has depended on.
The amount of auto manufacture has nothing to do with the price of oil, period. There is no connection in todays, or tomorrows oil market, dude. Jan.2001; $28.66/barrel January 2002; $16.65/barrel.
Has auto production risen by 8x’s since Jan,2002 to match the price of petroleum? And, please, it ain’t all speculation based pricing of petroleum.
Auto production and the price of petroleum are not a true analysis of petroleum prices.
Nobody told me that, yllas. There were plenty of diesels available then, just as now. I had thought about it a long time, and ordered just what I wanted, factory-made. I didn’t take anything out of dealer inventory.
The fuel dude, not the truck.
Diesel has been alternately both more expensive and cheaper than gasoline over the past few years. Diesels get better fuel mileage and are much longer-lasting engines, so the present higher-than-gas price is not that great a deterrent, IMO.
Wrong, diesel fuel was a selling point to why a person buys a diesel truck. By the time you factor in the price of gasoline v. fuel economy/maintenance of the diesel engine, it’s a big time loser. Not to mention that ridculously high priced air filter and oil change versus a gas motor. They got you in it, and then chumped you more and more each day as the price of diesel went up. Well, guess you can mark that up to failing to predict petroleum prices, huh dude?. Or are you going to write something stupid about keeping a truck that is screwing you economically more and more with each price rise in diesel? Gotta have that power and that fuel economy the diesel motor gives me.
I gotta ask you dude, are you German? Penny wise
and pound foolish?
You know, like a dude that buys a Mercedes diesel for power? Nah, can’t be the reason, since Mercedes makes models with much more power from their gas motors. For the fact that he likes listening to that rattle trap diesel motor clattering away while he trys to listen to Bab’s? Much less that dowel pin falling out of the timing chain case, and chewing up those timing gears on those Dodge diesels.
I bet you know Doug, you know every reason why a person would buy a expensive car to save fuel cost or the power of a diesel motor that burns more oil naturally then a gas motor.
It’s so oxymoronic that only Doug knows why people buy a expensive truck that chumps them more and more with each passing fill up. The power? You got to be kidding me, if a person needs all that torque each time he drives that oil burning diesel.
My reason is because they are cheapstakes that deny they’re chumped from being cheap minded.
BTW, Doug,
I got a six cylinder truck and it has carried 4000lbs, of payload. And it ain’t a diesel dude. My truck is for fun, and all you do is get there a few minutes before I do.
Hmm, let’s see, my 66 Dodge D100, or my 65 Chevy C10, has been able to pull anything your oil burning, rattle trap diesel can do.
Yep, those Dodge’s still have more body noise and lousy ride then a Ford or Chevy to this day. Plus, that silly exhaust sound of your Cummin’s diesel always gives me a chuckle. Sounds like a cat trying to bark like a dog. Meewwww, when you step on the pedal.
Yep, and how many Toyos, Nissans, Mazda’s,Three Diamond’s from the sixties/seventies/eighties do you see running for fun dude? Slim to none. And it’s not from those trucks being less well made. It’s from a decision of those corps to base their production advantage on no replacement parts being made, even while they are in a “current production year.”
Which is why a person waits and waits for some silly body part to be ordered after a fender bender. It literally has to be made, a replacement part. One trick that was used by those wiley coyote foreigners competing against the Big Three that did produce “extra parts” for their current and past models.
Why is it that every person that is called cheap always confirms their cheapness in them telling another person how their diesel truck has never given them any trouble, and has a bazillion miles on it? My diesel has a bazillion miles on it, and is still a going. I ain’t done a thing but change that expensive air filter, expensive oil filter, and added some 12 quarts of oil to it occasionally.
Why is that a person driving a truck that has camshaft roller bearing,pinion bearing, a howling ring gear, noisy ac clutch bearing, axle bearings, trans input shaft bearing , pilot shaft bushing Noise, is always writing that their truck is “nearly perfect?”
Because they don’t know that noise they are hearing, is not really suppose to be there making noise.
Plus the fact that they are soo cheap, they turn up the radio to then convince themselves, they really didn’t hear that noisy piece of junk their driving(from being to cheap to buy another vehicle,yet they have no debt) running down the road.
Hmm, kind of like Doug not knowing that abortion is the final action of a sexual act that took place some time ago. Or, it can’t be my kid your pregnant with Bimbo, we had sex a long time ago, and asking me to pay for your pregnancy/abortion is ridiculous Bimbo. Really dude Doug, did you pull that line on that unrepentant old hippie pagan? And she bought it? Man Doug, your really sooo cheap you have convinced yourself that abortion is NOT the last action of a sexual act, performed some amount of time ago. Your clock stops at a half past cheap, and when your pleasure is done with some women.
No – abortion is ending a pregnancy. The sex ended a long time before, and abortion is not a sexual act.”
Posted by: Doug at September 29, 2008
Do you deny that abortion is the final act of the full goodness of sex?
No – abortion is ending a pregnancy. The sex ended a long time before, and abortion is not a sexual act.
Posted by: Doug at September 08
You can link them together, cause and effect, sure
Posted by: Doug at September 08
Now your getting there dude, you finally figured out a simple statment that abortion is caused by the effect of sexual action. Very good dude.
Soo, let’s try again.
Abortion is the final action of the full goodness of sex.
True or false dude?
A book is not sexual action dude, and it your trying to make sexual acts into book reading.
But for funsies and chuckles, let us include that abortion contains the attribute of book reading within it.
Book reading, a attribute of abortion, is the final action of the full goodness of sex.
True or false? Yes or no?
This is fun watching you try and deny that abortion is the final action of the full goodness of a sexual act.
Death(abortion) is the final action of the full goodness of life(sex).
Doug’s answer, No it ain’t dude, the final action of death is the undertaker burying a person. Or covering the grave with dirt, or placing a flower on the grave years from now because death is not the final act of the full goodness of life. Dead don’t move dirt dude. A hint.
Dogma, that damnable,invincible dogma makes you unable to be intellectually honest about simple statements in matters of abortion.
In your dogmatic world, death is not a final action of the full goodness of life. Some guy reading a book makes death never stop having action. Abortion is never ended and continues to live if a person brings a flower to some person at some place and time, today, tomorrow, and into infinity. Dead never dies, abortion never is the final action of sex. Dead is dead people reading a book, yet the dead can’t read, unless your into denial and making reality fit your damnable dogma for abortion, dude.
Dead is dead. Dead is the final action of the full goodness of life.
Abortion is the final action of the full goodness of sex.
Try as you may dude, to deny that abortion is the final action of the full goodness of a sexual act between a male and female, is your dogma trying to deny a simple statement which makes you nuts dude.
But, when one is a dogmatist for deathsex, nothing can’t be rationalized away by some reason only a closed minded propagandist for deathsex can understand.
I’ll make it more simple for ya dude.
Abortion is the full goodness of sex. True or false? What goodness does abortion lack dude if it is not the full goodness of sex?
“Your remarks were but another lame attempt at ad hominem from you, and your almost unwavering tendency toward error found full flower there, once again.”
yllas: I’m mocking your style dude.
No, in that mode you’re the same silly troll as usual, as numerous pro-lifers as well as pro-choicers have noted.
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And I’m predicting lower prices, , as has begun dude.
And that’s fine, and I noted it was a bold prediction. Nothing wrong with that.
You made your prediction on Sept. 8, and last Friday’s closing price was slightly higher, so you’re almost breaking even, thus far.
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Check one for me, and you dude?
No, not “check one for you,” yet.
You said “historic lows” within 3 to 5 years, and there I’m not going to hold you to it – it’s too far-fetched. Very, very likely no check mark for that one.
You also said gasoline at $1.50 or lower, and I think you’re going to have trouble with that one too. The actions of the gov’t continue to debase the Dollar at increasing rates, so even aside from the level of economic activity, the currency’s direction itself is against you.
It’s not impossible, no, and if it comes to pass I’ll certainly congratulate you on a gutsy and prescient call.
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Price, supply and demand are false info used by commodity markets to explain what “has happen” and sucker those that use predictions based on supply and demand correlating to price. Mainly in petroleum markets. But, used quite well in coca/coffee bean also. Come on dude, sugar is another market where demand/supply and price are not related to each other,except in the minds of economist, such as the one’s Bush has depended on.
I used to trade commodities, and some of what you’re talking about does go on in all the freely-trading markets, but in no way does that negate the supply/demand equation.
You could have made your same argument in 2000, or 2003, or 2004, oil having almost quadrupled from the 1998 low. What happened after that? It quadrupled from there.
World population is still increasing fast, and the average person is using more oil. Production is not keeping up with this increase, and thus price rises.
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The amount of auto manufacture has nothing to do with the price of oil, period. There is no connection in todays, or tomorrows oil market, dude. Jan.2001; $28.66/barrel January 2002; $16.65/barrel.
You are the one that proceeded as if they are: worldwide automotive manufacturers are not announcing hugh profits,increased production
I noted that production has been increasing, and that some makers indeed have been announcing hugh profits.
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Has auto production risen by 8x’s since Jan,2002 to match the price of petroleum? And, please, it ain’t all speculation based pricing of petroleum. Auto production and the price of petroleum are not a true analysis of petroleum prices.
Again, that’s not how markets work. If supply and demand are in balance, altering either one by a small amount can drastically change price. Right now, we’ve got production and consumption pretty well in balance.
The way it used to be was that OPEC, for example, could increase production significantly, to alter the supply part of the equation. Now, there is less ability to do that.
“Diesel has been alternately both more expensive and cheaper than gasoline over the past few years. Diesels get better fuel mileage and are much longer-lasting engines, so the present higher-than-gas price is not that great a deterrent, IMO.”
Wrong, diesel fuel was a selling point to why a person buys a diesel truck. By the time you factor in the price of gasoline v. fuel economy/maintenance of the diesel engine, it’s a big time loser.
I disagree, and have read analyses of why diesel trucks continue to gain market share, worldwide.
Personally, I’ve got 130,000 or so miles on my engine, and I’ve never done a thing to it. Heck, a diesel’s just getting broken in at 50,000 miles or thereabouts, and many gas engines are on their last legs or doing downhill fast by 130,000.
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Not to mention that ridculously high priced air filter and oil change versus a gas motor. They got you in it, and then chumped you more and more each day as the price of diesel went up. Well, guess you can mark that up to failing to predict petroleum prices, huh dude?. Or are you going to write something stupid about keeping a truck that is screwing you economically more and more with each price rise in diesel? Gotta have that power and that fuel economy the diesel motor gives me.
Yeah, the air filter is high. ; ) I haven’t bought that many, though, maybe 3 or 4. Fuel prices to me, personally, are kind when they rise. My investments prosper more, and I buy very little fuel myself. Since I work “on the road” I’m usually in company vehicles while my truck just sits, and that’s why I’ve only put 130,000 miles on it in almost 11.5 years (and of that a fair amount was on company business where they paid for the fuel or more than paid for the fuel).
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I gotta ask you dude, are you German? Penny wise and pound foolish?
No, not German. And actually, from what I’ve seen, the Germans and the Swiss tend to me better at managing their personal finances than is the average American.
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You know, like a dude that buys a Mercedes diesel for power? Nah, can’t be the reason, since Mercedes makes models with much more power from their gas motors. For the fact that he likes listening to that rattle trap diesel motor clattering away while he trys to listen to Bab’s? Much less that dowel pin falling out of the timing chain case, and chewing up those timing gears on those Dodge diesels.
Again, never had any trouble nor had to do a thing to the diesel engine I have. Have to laugh – I did once have a Mercedes, but it had a gas engine. $45 distributor cap, even then (and that was almost 30 years ago).
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I bet you know Doug, you know every reason why a person would buy a expensive car to save fuel cost or the power of a diesel motor that burns more oil naturally then a gas motor.
Actually, you’re the one with all the fruity projections and generalizations….
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It’s so oxymoronic that only Doug knows why people buy a expensive truck that chumps them more and more with each passing fill up. The power? You got to be kidding me, if a person needs all that torque each time he drives that oil burning diesel.
Again, you’re the one pretending to “know”….
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My reason is because they are cheapstakes that deny they’re chumped from being cheap minded.
It’s “cheapskate.” And some people probably do buy diesels for the economy. For most of the time I’ve had my truck, diesel has been cheaper than gas. It’s only this year that diesel got significantly higher, and that has already mostly reversed. That wasn’t a deal-maker for me, though. I just wanted exactly the truck I got, regardless of cost.
If somebody isn’t going to keep a truck a long time or use it a LOT, then the diesel loses some of its attractiveness. I note that this year, the higher diesel prices have made for lots of people buying gas-engined pickup trucks whereas in the past it would’ve been diesel.
yllas: I got a six cylinder truck and it has carried 4000lbs, of payload. And it ain’t a diesel dude. My truck is for fun, and all you do is get there a few minutes before I do. Hmm, let’s see, my 66 Dodge D100, or my 65 Chevy C10, has been able to pull anything your oil burning, rattle trap diesel can do.
I think I’d get there before you no matter what, even if I was driving a rickshaw. Plus, you might have another bout of wacky fantasizing about why people do what they do, and have to pull over.
I doubt you’d put 6,000 lbs. cargo in your trucks. Might be hilarious if you did. I do like those old Dodges, though.
When I got mine, Chevy’s engines were considered well below Dodge’s and Ford’s. No doubt the Ford Powerstroke engine has come a long way and is a kick-ass motor. Were I to get another truck, I’d certainly look at Fords.
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Hmm, kind of like Doug not knowing that abortion is the final action of a sexual act that took place some time ago.
It’s not “the final action of a sexual act.” That’s the point.
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Or, it can’t be my kid your pregnant with Bimbo, we had sex a long time ago, and asking me to pay for your pregnancy/abortion is ridiculous Bimbo. Really dude Doug, did you pull that line on that unrepentant old hippie pagan? And she bought it? Man Doug, your really sooo cheap you have convinced yourself that abortion is NOT the last action of a sexual act, performed some amount of time ago. Your clock stops at a half past cheap, and when your pleasure is done with some women.
You’re talking about stuff from your own mind, not anything that has to do with me. It’s a pattern with you.
“No – abortion is ending a pregnancy. The sex ended a long time before, and abortion is not a sexual act.”
“You can link them together, cause and effect, sure, but you can do that with practically anything. Just as “sex eventually led to having an abortion,” you could say that abortion wasn’t the last action, because the attending doctor told the woman about his book club, and her attending of it occurred later than the abortion.”
“Thus, you could say that without having had sex, there would have been no abortion nor would she have gone to the book club, but neither of them is “an action of a sexual act.”
The sexual act was over and done, long ago, in both cases. Related events may occur later on, sure, but in no way are they necessarily “the last action of a sexual act” nor any action of it.”
yllas: Now your getting there dude, you finally figured out a simple statment that abortion is caused by the effect of sexual action. Very good dude.
That’s like saying that “abortion was caused by going to church” because she met the guy in church, by your logic.
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In your dogmatic world, death is not a final action of the full goodness of life.
Again, you’re pretty much 180 degrees wrong. You’re the one with the dogma, and I do see death as “a final action” of life.
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Some guy reading a book makes death never stop having action. Abortion is never ended and continues to live if a person brings a flower to some person at some place and time, today, tomorrow, and into infinity. Dead never dies, abortion never is the final action of sex. Dead is dead people reading a book, yet the dead can’t read, unless your into denial and making reality fit your damnable dogma for abortion, dude.
Incoherent.
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Dead is dead. Dead is the final action of the full goodness of life.
You were wrong before, but now you’re getting closer – yes, “dead” is “final” for life, anyway. “Full goodness” isn’t germane, really – a given person might feel a given way, but that doesn’t alter the finality of death.
Giving birth to a baby ends a pregnancy as well.
Who knew?
I would’ve attested to it, Ma’am.
Dude.
Is sex good? And I do mean with consent of the will.
Now, it’s whatever definition you assign to good is fine by me. Care to share a dictionary definition, or make up some typical humpty dumpty deinition that exist in your mind. It’s ok. Share/enlighten the definition of the word “good” with us dude, as you define “good”.
You may ascribe and attriubute your meaning to good and then define good as it is meant by you dude. But since your doing your cheap dogmatic tricks as usual, give me, tell me, your definition of the word “good”.
Next, if sexual acts are good, are there sexual acts that contain more good? “More” being more of the quality of fullness.?
The question is to you dude. Not some other person or persons.
That’s like saying that “abortion was caused by going to church” because she met the guy in church, by your logic.
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That’s your being incoherent dude.
Thus, you could say that without having had sex, there would have been no abortion nor would she have gone to the book club, but neither of them is “an action of a sexual act.”
The sexual act was over and done, long ago, in both cases. Related events may occur later on, sure, but in no way are they necessarily “the last action of a sexual act” nor any action of it.”
The statement is abortion is the final action of the full goodness of sex.
Abortion is the final deed of the fool goodness of sex.
Look up the definition of “act”, dude
Your appeal to “not sex” is your dogma mind making another person’s statements into “your statements”, so you can procede to argue your constructed arguement from using that metaphysical pry bar on a statment of another person.
Wave that Mickey Mouse wand and presto chango, Doug is writing about “not sex” in response to a statement that states; Abortion is the final action, of the full goodness of sex.
Death is the final deed of the full goodness of life .
Abortion is the final deed of the full goodness of sex.
In your mind dude, is there a lack of good contained in abortion? Yes or no. Not some other person or entity, you dude, the question is to you dude.
Still stands, your cheap dude. And wishing and wanting to make your Dodge diesel into a non- economic loser is easy if you always seek the opinion that confirms your want to make that diesel into not being a economic loser.
Meanwhile, in the real world, diesel fuel passed the price of gasoline years ago, but not in the world of Doug. Any price advantage that was gained by buying a diesel truck for mpg, is gone. The price difference of gas v. diesel is beyond the savings in mpg. Another words, get the sucker in that “gas saver” and then raise the price on that cheap dude. He won’t get rid of the diesel because he is cheap minded and arrogant to the point that selling the diesel is admiting to making a wrong economic decision in his life. But, I need the power to haul my……. Any advantage of a diesel for power is also lost to the price of fuel and maintenance cost associated with diesel.
Come on dude, your cheap and arrogant, as to not admiting you bought a loser, but in the real world that diesel truck is depreciating faster then they ever did.
Then again, when a person can’t understand a simple statement that states that abortion is the final deed of the full goodness of sex.
Gee dude, is a Dodge diesel the full goodness of a diesel? A Dodge diesel is the good of a diesel. Not even full goodness. Or does your diesel lack some good dude?
Again, the dude will state that “good is not germaine” to his Dodge diesel, as good is not germaine to abortion is the final deed of the full goodness of sex. The dude bought a vehicle and can’t write that it has the quality of good within it, or a reason for buying the loser diesel truck is that it is good.
Come on dude, take the dogma off, and enter the world of reality again.
Giving birth to a baby ends a pregnancy as well.
Who knew?
Posted by: Carla at September 29, 2008 1:12 PM
And birth is the last deed of a pregnancy.
Giving death to a baby is the final deed of the good of sex.
How about,
Giving death to a baby is the final deed of right sex.
Giving death to a baby is the final deed of wrong sex.
Which one is it Carla?
Sexual deed(s) are the beginning of the full goodness of life, and abortion is the last deed of the full goodness of sex.
Life begins with a sexual deed, and life ends as a deed of sex via abortion.
Abortion is the final deed of the full goodness of sexual deeds.
Get it yet Carla?
The final act of a seed is ended at the death of a tree. Life begins with a seed and the final deed or action of a seed is the death of the tree.
Abortion is the result of a deed of sex, and the final result of any sexual deed is forever death.
We begin with a deed of sex and end the sexual deed of a human being, as being dead.
Your a remainder/the remains, of the full goodness of a sexual deed of your mother and father Carla.
But, with abortion, abortion is the final deed/act of a sexual deed. What remains of the full goodness of sex with a abortion?
It is a metaphysical concept that Doug must deny in his world of abortion. The pry bar comes out to deconstruct and change your/mine statements into a argument from which he always thinks he wins. He argues against himself, and I’m mocking him and his style over and over, ad nausem.The best part is when I declare I’m mock ing him and his answer?. No your not. Your not mocking me. He can’t even let me write that I’m mocking him. No your not Yllas. It’s a sick case of mind reading compounded with beginning life in a house built upon knowing the deeds before the deed occured. Calvinism at its finest. Pre-destination run amuck. That’s Doug.
Oh, what one man’s thinking about God can do to a little boy named Doug, who grew up into a attraction of his will towards non being, the negation of being, or creation. Abortion is a attraction of the will towards non being, a negation of creation.
Evil is nothing other then a attraction of the will towards nothing, a negation of being,and above all God, a furious hatred of the grace against which the rebellious will puts up a implacable resistence.
Yep, and you Carla?
Or, it can’t be my kid your pregnant with Bimbo, we had sex a long time ago, and asking me to pay for your pregnancy/abortion is ridiculous Bimbo. Really dude Doug, did you pull that line on that unrepentant old hippie pagan? And she bought it? Man Doug, your really sooo cheap you have convinced yourself that abortion is NOT the last action of a sexual act, performed some amount of time ago. Your clock stops at a half past cheap, and when your pleasure is done with some women.
Well dude, make it any name you want. Make it my name and then read it from a perspective of the statement that abortion is the final deed of the good of sex. That you or me had a sexual deed long ago/months is the effect of that sexual deed that ends/stops/dies as a abortion, or birth(birth continues the action of a sexual deed) , or nothing.
Abortion is the final deed of the full goodness of sex.
Or is there a lack of “good deed” within the attributes/qualities of abortion?
You can’t get it dude. It makes you deny that your sexual deed is not the cause of a women asking for you to pay for a abortion.
You see boy, when they were building that loser diesel for ya, the final deed of a “installed motor” in your truck, is that the “installed engine” realizes /actualizes it’s “full goodness” when you drive that truck.
Otherwise the motor lacks some good some dude.
Abortion is the final reality or actualization of the full goodness of sex. Yes or no, dude.
Blessed be the name of Jesus.
So, if I say something that proves your whole tirade against Obama to be a lie, my post is removed? Is that how this works.
Again,Obama said that he believed the BILL was aimed at making the woman and her doctors’ decision more difficult, not that the INFANT would make her life more difficult.That is how you people work. Try to pass laws that make it more difficult to get an abortion, while masking it as an issue of morality. Then you LIE when someone questions it. Obama’s problem with the law is that he believes it will be judged unconstitutional as was the previous attempt by the Illinois congress. Read the transcripts and stop LYING! And stop taking down the posts of people who can PROVE the TRUTH!!
kat,
I am not sure why your post was removed. I am thinking that it had something to do with taking the name of the Lord in vain.
Please point out all of the lying and prove the truth.
As I pointed out above, you are claiming that Obama said that the INFANT, if allowed to live, would present a burden to the mother. In fact, what he said was, the BILL “is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician.” In fact this is how the “pro-life” movement works, they word a bill so that it looks like the obvious moral decision, while in reality it is intended to make the woman’s ability to CHOOSE abortion more difficult. It is sneaky, back-door policy and to rephrase what a person has said about it is lying. He has never said that he approves of allowing a child to die so as not to “burden” the mother!
yllas: Is sex good? And I do mean with consent of the will.
Yes, IMO, but that’s not going to the same place as where you say:
Abortion is the full goodness of sex.
While there is cause-and-effect, as we’ve both agreed upon, it’s not that abortion is “the goodness of sex.” Who do you see saying that sex is good because it leads to abortion?
You’re saying that and I disagree.
Not everybody likes sex – and some people see it just for starting pregnancies. If one wants to have kids, then they will likely see goodness in sex pursuant to that, but in general they might say that sex is bad; or a necessary evil.
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Abortion is the final action of the full goodness of sex.
That just sounds really weird. I’m sure it does to other people too.
It is not that it is “an action of the full goodness of sex,” it’s just that without sex (in general anyway) there wouldn’t be a pregnancy nor an abortion. Sex being seen as good or bad doesn’t matter, there.
Kat: In fact this is how the “pro-life” movement works, they word a bill so that it looks like the obvious moral decision, while in reality it is intended to make the woman’s ability to CHOOSE abortion more difficult. It is sneaky, back-door policy and to rephrase what a person has said about it is lying.
Well said, Kat.
All through the Illinois bills, until the last one, that was Obama’s objection, as he noted – that it would interfere with the doctor/patient relationship, and that it was a sneaky way to try and impact women’s rights.
But, when we got to the very last vote, as far as I know the Democrats, including Obama, did have the wording in the bill to prevent any impact such as they did not want.
Yet they still voted in committee not to pass that bill, and why they did so is what I’d like to know.
yllas: is a Dodge diesel the full goodness of a diesel?
No, because that would either be “perfection” or at least the ultimate at the present time, and you’re not going to find that in a production engine.
When I got my truck, the frequency-of-repair records, customer happiness ratings, etc., made Chevy a non-starter. Dodge and Ford, at the time, were on top, no comparison.
In the end the reliability of the Cummins engine in the Dodge, it having “had the bugs worked out of it” long before, made a difference to me, and I liked the way the Dodges then looked better, too.
Chevy’s engines were based on re-workings of gasoline motors; weren’t in the same league. Ford’s was a lot better, but less-proven than the Cummins at the time.
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The price difference of gas v. diesel is beyond the savings in mpg.
Wrong again. I’ll post a chart at the bottom. Currently, gas is 8.3% cheaper, on average, nationwide.
Does a diesel engine in a given truck mean if will get 8.3% better MPG than it would with a comparable gasoline engine? Heck yes – the improvement is more than that, even.
One reason is that diesel engines have greater cycle efficiency – gas engines can’t run at the same compression since the fuel and air mixture would pre-ignite.
Diesel fuel also contains more energy per gallon than does gasoline, over 17% more. This alone would justify paying more per gallon
This is why you might have a big pickup truck with a gas engine getting 10, 12, or 14 MPG, say, while at the same time an 80,000 lb. diesel tractor-trailer is getting 6 or even a little more.
The longer one is going to keep a vehicle, the heavier the vehicle and the heavier the cargo, and the more the vehicle will be driven – diesel is favored every step of the way.
Abortion is the final action of the full goodness of sex.
That just sounds really weird. I’m sure it does to other people too.
Posted by: Doug at September 30, 2008
Why is it weird dude? It is the result/final deed of some good sex, yes? Or no? It is a reason for abortion being a good deed, that’s all. True or false. You may answer either way. Makes no difference to me.
Sex is good. Abortion is a good action from good sex. But, is abortion the full goodness of sex expressed/actualized via abortion? Is there a lack of good within the action of abortion ?
Who do you see saying that sex is good because it leads to abortion?
I’m not saying or writing that. Sex is good, abortion is a result, a deed from good sex. That sexual deeds lead to abortion is a fact. No dispute.
yllas: is a Dodge diesel the full goodness of a diesel?
No, because that would either be “perfection” or at least the ultimate at the present time, and you’re not going to find that in a production engine.
Now, apply that to abortion dude. Abortion is the final deed of the perfection of sex, the full goodness of sex. I’ll say that is true, and you can argue against abortion being a deed from the full goodness, the perfection of sex.
You may rationalize all you want about diesel being a better motor then gasoline, but maintenance cost and fuel cost have driven down the worth of a person owning a “light weight version” of Mack or Peterbuilt for non commercial use.
All a diesel motor has is torque. Torque is from nothing more then a long throw stroke built into the motor by design. The Comp.Ratio is soo high in a diesel that it is accepted that it is a “oil burner”. Nobody has solved that problem. Never will, since the problem of leaving tolerance for oil wipe on the cylinders via the oil ring, is a must, and is another reason why diesels keep their rpm low. You can take any motor and stroke it for torque, to meet your torque demands. But in non-commercial use, or light truck use, the gas motor was decided upon since diesel is not readily available everywhere, and really their is no need for diesel motors in light truck sales. A light duty diesel truck is a gimmick truck for those that are cheap minded and got chumped once again, by having lost any advantage in total operating cost from diesel going above gasoline in price.
Your burning oil dude. Those PTFE valve guide seals are rock hard and when you get stuck for valve guide seals from those seals being aged, not mileage, is a fact jack. Cheap minded Dodge, using plastic instead of rubber with a spring seal. And BTW, have you paid for those mechanical lifters to be reset? It’s a 24,000 mile interval requirement dude. .010 on intake, .020 for exhaust. Cold. Just another hundred bucks(or more) being put into that fuel saving diesel, that doesn’t apply to a gas motor. Hmmm, 130,000 divided by 24,000= 5.4= 5.4x$100=$541.666. Hey how much are you saving again dude with that toy diesel versus a gas motor? Shall I go on to oil changes and the fact that it is triple the cost, if not more then a gas motor? And we all know about that turbocharger, and those bearing making noise from all that heat. Much less the seals going out from some fool needing more horsepower at lower rpm. And you pay 8 to 10 percent more for fuel. But, that’s right, you just turn up the cd player and avoid those noises and rattles going on and listen to
And as you know, it’s really the gearing that counts in the end. Even a low ratio geared rickshaw, with Doug being the motor, pulling a barrel of diesel fuel on that rickshaw, to fill up his Dodge oil burner is easily done.
The only advantage was price. Diesel was cheaper. Period. Not now. Your chumped economically, and finding sites that are pro diesel is like your dogma for abortion. Only reading and propaganda for diesel please. A Dodge Diesel is the full goodness of diesel.
At least you admit there is a lack of good in diesel motors, since if a Dodge diesel is not the full goodness of diesel, it must contain a lack of good, in that Dodge diesel motor.
Maybe you’ll admit there is a lack of good in abortion too, from being the final deed of the full goodness of sex too.
Yllas: Abortion is the final action of the full goodness of sex.
“That just sounds really weird. I’m sure it does to other people too.”
“It is not that it is “an action of the full goodness of sex,” it’s just that without sex (in general anyway) there wouldn’t be a pregnancy nor an abortion. Sex being seen as good or bad doesn’t matter, there.”
Why is it weird dude?
Because few people think like that. Because “the full goodness of sex” is a perception. It is not any “action.” It is not something that performs actions.
If you ask around, you will see that the vast majority of people agree with me on this, and few if any will agree with you.
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It is the result/final deed of some good sex, yes? Or no?
We don’t know that, and it doesn’t matter. Whether it was good or bad isn’t germane to the issue – what’s operative is that the desire, on balance, is now to end the pregnancy.
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It is a reason for abortion being a good deed, that’s all. True or false. You may answer either way. Makes no difference to me.
It’s not for me to say. It’s for the pregnant woman to say. Anybody that wants abortions to take place because they see them as “a good deed” will be just as anti-choice as you. I see forcing an abortion on a woman who doesn’t want one as bad, and I see denying an abortion to a woman who wants one as bad.
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Sex is good. Abortion is a good action from good sex. But, is abortion the full goodness of sex expressed/actualized via abortion? Is there a lack of good within the action of abortion ?
There’s no guarantee the sex was good, and it doesn’t matter – all that’s there is cause-and-effect, combined with the operative desires at the (much later) time.
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“Who do you see saying that sex is good because it leads to abortion?”
I’m not saying or writing that. Sex is good, abortion is a result, a deed from good sex. That sexual deeds lead to abortion is a fact. No dispute.
Yes, the “leading to” is what makes sense, same as could be the case for “I met a guy in church and ended up having an abortion because of it.” Perceptions of good/bad/right/wrong are not operative here – they aren’t required nor do they determine things if they exist. Perhaps somebody did have an abortion because they met a guy in church. Doesn’t matter what their feelings were at the time, and it doesn’t mean that meeting a guy in church is “bad,” either.
yllas: And as you know, it’s really the gearing that counts in the end. Even a low ratio geared rickshaw, with Doug being the motor, pulling a barrel of diesel fuel on that rickshaw, to fill up his Dodge oil burner is easily done.
:: laughing ::
Pretty good, yllas. We’re havin’ a good time now. Okay, you get a check mark, finally.
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yllas: is a Dodge diesel the full goodness of a diesel?
“No, because that would either be “perfection” or at least the ultimate at the present time, and you’re not going to find that in a production engine.”
Now, apply that to abortion dude. Abortion is the final deed of the perfection of sex, the full goodness of sex. I’ll say that is true, and you can argue against abortion being a deed from the full goodness, the perfection of sex.
No, the relative approach to perfection, i.e. how much of the “full goodness of a diesel” is a vehicle or engine, is not relating it to past actions. They are two different things.
The correct thing to ask is, “Is an abortion the full goodness of a surgical procedure.” Obviously, not everybody’s agree on that, same as with the vehicles.
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maintenance cost and fuel cost have driven down the worth of a person owning a “light weight version” of Mack or Peterbuilt for non commercial use.
Yes, no doubt. That does not mean that diesels don’t retain an advantage now, however, albeit somewhat lessened from the past.
You talk of people being “cheap” but you’re the one concerned with gas engines and trying to act like they’re more economical.
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The only advantage was price. Diesel was cheaper. Period. Not now.
Wrong again – diesel has quite a bit more energy contained per gallon, and it also burns more completely than does gasoline – a further gain.
I will agree with you that if somebody just wants a pickup truck to run around in, and is going to keep it for only a few years – then they might as well get one with a gas engine.
Yet the economics of diesels quickly become compelling once we get to longer time of ownership, hauling loads, towing trailers, doing a lot of miles, etc.
From TruckTrend:
Typically, gas engines make more horsepower, while diesels produce more torque. Are you looking for off-the-line acceleration of an unloaded truck? Maybe you use your truck around town where quick starts are important and you don’t often tow a trailer or haul a load. If this is the case, then you’ll want a gas engine. By design, gas engines rev faster and are able to reach higher rpm peaks than diesels. This allows them to attain greater horsepower numbers and quicker 0-60-mph times.
However, if towing capacity and brute pulling force are your game, a diesel is for you. The torque advantage of diesels is perfectly suited for pulling heavy loads up steep grades. Because of the relatively high-compression ratio necessary to ignite the diesel fuel (17:1 diesel versus 9:1 gas), a diesel makes all its torque and power low in the rev range. As an example, the GM 8.1L gasoline V-8 in Chevrolet and GMC pickups puts out 340 hp and 455 lb-ft of torque, while GM’s 6.6L V-8 turbodiesel makes slightly less hp at only 300, but makes up for it in torque with a healthy 520 lb-ft of grunt.
Diesel fuel has a higher energy density than gasoline. One gallon of diesel contains approximately 147,000 BTUs of energy, while a gallon of gasoline only has 125,000 BTUs. This means it takes more gasoline to equal the power output of diesel, making diesel engines more efficient per gallon of fuel burned. Also, because diesel engines use the more efficient direct fuel-injection method (fuel injected directly into cylinder) compared to the port fuel-injection setup in gas engines where gas is mixed with incoming air in the intake manifold, the diesel system has little wasted or unburned fuel. Diesels also use about one third as much fuel at idle as gasoline units. Even though there are no official EPA-mileage figures for 3/4-ton and bigger trucks, we’ve seen diesels get six to eight more mpg than similar-weight gas pickups. Over the life of the truck, this advantage could be significant, especially if you drive a lot of miles.