New Stanek WND column, “How the Born Alive debate has changed the abortion debate”
During The O’Reilly Factor on Sept. 29, host Bill O’Reilly said, “Apparently, you violate a woman’s privacy if you set any restrictions on aborting a fetus at all or even try to protect a baby after its birth. If you do that, extremists will claim you are violating a woman’s privacy rights.”
O’Reilly would not have included “or even try to protect a baby after its birth” a few months ago, because it wasn’t commonly known until then that abortion extremists like Barack Obama consider it a “burden” to the mother’s “original decision,” as he
put it, to give abortion survivors lifesaving medical help.
But the debate over Obama’s opposition as state senator to the IL Born Alive Infants Protection Act has provided an unforeseen teaching opportunity to the American public, much as the debate over partial-birth abortion did a decade ago….
Continue reading my column, “How the Born Alive debate has changed the abortion debate,” on WorldNetDaily.com.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Jill,
I am so grateful to you and the work that you are doing!! The word is getting out! Your name came up in a conversation yesterday. Someone asked me if I knew who Jill Stanek was and that I should check out her website!! So I did. :)
The comments that are getting more and more out of line speak to the ways you are reaching people.
How I wish Illinois videotaped all their sessions, even committee sessions. It has proven invaluable to prove such things as what Obama said and did.
I agree about enforcement of BAIPA… but that would mean hospital workers coming forward and reporting.This would be the challenge. How many Jills are out there?
Jill:
The debate may be moving past Barack Obama and Born Alive at this point, I’m afraid. It looks like he is probably going to win the election and we will be stuck with his sociopathic tendencies for four or even God help us eight years.
Tragically for us, the financial crisis hit at the worst possible moment. Even though the financial meltdown was caused by politicians in the Democratic Party forcing banks to lend money to millions of people who could not afford to pay back their loans, the swing voters believe that George Bush and the Republicans did it, because they irrationally believe that the President is responsible for everything that happens, good or bad. The Republicans, incomprehensibly, have let the Democrats get away with blaming them! Had the Republicans relentlessly told the American people, starting weeks ago, about the full devastation wreaked on our economy by Democratic politicians, they could have held the White House and even regained control of the House and Senate.
Now, all that may be left to us is to hold as many Republican House and Senate seats as is humanly possible. This is absolutely critical. If we want to prevent Obama and the Democrats in Congress from doing great damage, we must hold 41 Republican seats in the Senate to filibuster Democratic legislation. It is also important to save as many House seats as possible, but the Senate seats are absolutely CRITICAL. If we can hold off the Democrats on Capitol Hill, we can look forward to a potential wipeout of the Democratic Party in the 2010 midterm elections and get back everything we will have lost.
Will you do everything you can to help hold as many Republican Senate seats as possible? Would you write a piece here at your website urging everyone to vote Republican for every office, but especially for critical Senate seats, as the best way now to help the unborn? We simply cannot allow the abortionists to build big margins in the US Senate.
The most critical Senate reaces this year are in the following states:
New Hampshire, North Carolina, Louisiana, Minnesota, South Dakota, New Mexico, Colorado, Oregon and Alaska (and possibly also Georgia and Kentucky).
If you live in any of these states and you care about unborn children, please vote for the Republican candidate!
Would you be willing to mention the critical need for all pro-lifers to vote for pro-life Republicans and against anti-life Democrats for every office whenever you appear on any radio or tv show or in any other media appearance or interview?
Jill Stanek = the Roseann Roseannadanna of the blog world.
Once and for all – Barack Obama does not condone infanticide. There were and are other laws on the books that require medical assistance to all those who are born. (excluding heroic measures to those terminally ill) and Obama has stated that he would support restrictions on late term abortions if there were exceptions for the life and health of the mother.
And that’s the commonsense view shared by most Americans.
Jill’s strawman arguments, insinuations, and innuendo notwithstanding.
BTW, Jill where’s that whitey tape we were promised?
Joe – look up the relationship between Odinga and Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ
There’s other videos out there that show Obama stumping for him.
I heard about this some time ago, but just looked at it yesterday and was absolutely shocked!
While in Colorado this week, Palin campaigned against Amendment 51, which would impose a two tenths of one percent state sales tax to help families with disabled children- typically Down Syndrome and autistic kids. This certainly shows her commitment to special needs children.
After all, 2/10 of one percent would add $300 in sales tax to the $150,000 spent on her clothes to convince the voters she is “just like you, Joe Sixpack”.
“Thus, in the six years since Born Alive’s passage, there have been no prosecutions, even though there have been at least three credible instances of abortion survivors being killed or shelved to die without appropriate medical intervention.”
I don’t want to sound cruel or heartless. But *three* cases in six years? 4500 abortions a day, and you have three instances in 6 years? This is the law that you believe defines the movement? Obama would reduce the abortion rate by more than 3 abortions per hour. You may now understand why some of us believe this issue has been blown way out of all proportion. Take Obama up on his pledge to support a ban on late term abortions, (with exceptions for the life of the mother and true–non-“emotional”–issues of the mother’s health). I guarantee you more than 3 babies in 6 years will be saved.
phylo @ 9:11,
It’s time for you to review the facts about Obama’s record on abortion. Take a look at the block to the right titled “Barack Obama’s radical positions on abortion”. I know, it sounds unbelievable, it defies common sense, but it’s true. No doubt about it.
hal,
Sorry, but you do sound cruel and heartless. Any talk by Obama of reducing abortion is nothing more than politicking. He doesn’t CARE. It’s not his agenda. Period.
How convenient. Every thing that Obama says which you don’t like is his real position, everything he says you should like is a lie.
Okay, fine. At least admit the law’s a failure and Obama was right to oppose it.
Hal,
Okay, fine. At least admit the law’s a failure and Obama was right to oppose it.
I won’t say BAIPA was a failure. A law’s success or failure (BAIPA, in this case) is not based only on the number of cases prosecuted. You also have to consider the effect it has had as a deterrent. Right??
The comprehensive argument against Barack Obama:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/21/the-comprehensive-argument-against-barack-obama/
Inexperienced, radical, and deceptive.
Janet, that’s probably true. Assuming anyone has heard of the law to be deterred by it.
Joe,
Do not lose heart.
O’Reilly just re-upped at $10 million a year, and Hannity re-upped at $20 million a year. Presumably Hannity gets twice as much from FOX/GOP because he spends 80% of his time in anti-Obama hate rants, while O’Reilly only spends about 40% of his time on anti-Obama hate rants. Limbaugh makes more than both, since he spends 100% of his time on anti-Obama hate rants.
Ironically, the more hate rants, the higher Obama’s favorability rating, which just reached a new high as McCain/Palin implodes. The biggest negative in the polls for McCain is not Bush, not the economy, not the Iraq war- it is his selection of Palin as his running mate.
Carla, like you I’m grateful for the work Jill and others are doing to get the word out. There’s discussion about Jill’s exposure of Obama’s debate lies over at TeamSarah.org
McCain caught on tape agreeing that his Western Pennsylvania supporters are racists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnE-YJ—GI
Senator McCain, your Freudian slip is showing.
Hal,
It’s ludicrious to suggest that the abortion rate would go down if Nobama gets in.
1. Nobama supports repeal of the Hyde ammendment, which means he believes taxpayers should pay for all abortions. The Hyde ammendment prevents that except in saving the life of the mother, or in cases of rape or incest.
2. First thing Nobama would do would be to sign FOCA. Its more important to Nobama than the economy or any other issue, apparently if its the first thing he would do.
3. Nobama does not support parental notification and consent for minors.
4. Nobama does not support conscience protetion laws for health care professionals against being forced to take part in abortion procedures or lose their jobs.
5. Nobama is against the partial birth abortion ban.
6. Nobama does not agree with federal funding of pregnancy crisis centers that provide women with alternatives to abortion, but he sure supports federal funding of PP and other death camps.
On #6 alone, this proves that Nobama is the most pro abortion candidate the Democrats have ever had, and that abortions would increase not decrease.
If Nobama was really “pro choice” he would support funding pregnancy centers that aid and assist women so they won’t abort their babies.
7. Nobama does not support the Pregnant Women Support Act whose goals are to reduce the number of abortions.
8. BAIPA
Enough said.
McCain caught on tape agreeing that his Western Pennsylvania supporters are racists
All the candidates make mistakes like that. I still laugh when I think of Biden saying that jobs is a 3 letter word!
“Take Obama up on his pledge to support a ban on late term abortions, (with exceptions for the life of the mother and true–non-“emotional”–issues of the mother’s health). I guarantee you more than 3 babies in 6 years will be saved.”
What a candidate says during a campaign ALWAYS should take a back seat to what we already know about them. Believing that Obama will attempt to reduce abortions is a fallacy and an attempt(started by Hilary Clinton) to win over soft pro-lifers. It is a trick,do not fall for it.
FOCA means 125K more abortions.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat4359.html
Sorry this is the way the post was supposed to look; hal said-“Take Obama up on his pledge to support a ban on late term abortions, (with exceptions for the life of the mother and true–non-“emotional”–issues of the mother’s health). I guarantee you more than 3 babies in 6 years will be saved.”
Response:What a candidate says during a campaign ALWAYS should take a back seat to what we already know about them. Believing that Obama will attempt to reduce abortions is a fallacy and an attempt(started by Hilary Clinton) to win over soft pro-lifers. It is a trick,do not fall for it.
PPC at 952am. You are a liar.
The article said she campaigned against measure 51, when actually she said:
“There’s got to be an alternative to raising taxes,” Palin said, while answering a question submitted by former Colorado First Lady Frances Owens, who describes herself as a “fiscal conservative,” a supporter of the McCain-Palin ticket and as one of the spokespeople in favor of Amendment 51. “It’s a matter of prioritizing the dollars that are already there in government. What I did as governor in Alaska is prioritize for a great increase in funding for students with special needs up there and I think Colorado can do that also.
Joanne at 142pm
I like the use of the word Nobama. Says it all. I use it too just not on this site too much. I also like th word obot whose meaning is probably discernible to you, but in case you’re wondering it’s available at the Urban Dictionary.
Aside to Jill: Can anyone be banned for posting lies or half truths?
Ouch! at 116pm. Apparently you didn’t watch the whole video. Ha.
Well gosh darn it Andy, to most of us, urging a “no” vote on Amendment 51 is “campaigning against it” That straight talk stuff, you know.
Also, I recommend you not look into Palin’s AK record on funding of programs to help families, women with unwanted pregnancies and special needs kids, as you may have to rescind your request that Sarah be granted sainthood. The Palin family gets a LOT of taxpayer money for their needs, other folks in AK, not so much.
And don’t be so gosh darn nasty, you maverick. You betcha, also, (wink).
Andy –
I did watch the whole video. I just thought it was a funny response to the folks on here who make such a huge deal about Biden’s slips.
And in other news, Al Qaeda endorses McCain! Seriously.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/al_qaida_us_election_2
Double Ouch!
Ever heard of “reverse psychology”? My guess is that it work like a charm on you.
Andy @ 2:20 PM
If that were the case most on here would be banished.
Of course many pro-aborts accuse Jill of lying. Facts are only acceptable facts when it supports their “truth” (which is relative normative consensus).
The biggest problem with moral relativism is – those who hold that view don’t even know they’re lying. They have no foundation.
You can tell over time by the pattern of arguments made, and the charges leveled.
For instance with personhood arguments, some pro-aborts argue that personhood is the true basis of rights, with such status granted by the state, based on certain criteria, such as brain waves. Ask them if their own personhood can be denied by the state, or the state could control their bodies and they’ll reject that, though that’s the case they make. (It’s okay to control the rapist’s body through incarceration, but don’t control the mother from killing her innocent daughter.)
Morality is completely relative until it applies favorably to themselves, then it becomes absolute. It’s complete intellectual nonsense – sort of like saying the only thing that’s absolute is that nothing is absolute.
“Do unto others as I say, and do unto me as I want done unto me.”
They love to judge until it comes back to themselves.
Chris,
Goes well to the saying
“Everyone who is pro-choice has already been born.”
If the unborn somehow ever got the right to vote, every politician would suddenly be pro-life.
Please, I wouldn’t even give a 16-year-old the right to vote.
How to make abortion legal by NARAL co founder
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0005.html
He repented and admitted all science confirms life begins at conception. The man admitted to killing babies by the thousands. Yes that is infanticide and Obama supports it with passion.
Actually, there are some adults that shouldnt be given the right to vote.
I’m talking about totally misinformed voters or those who just drink the kool aid and dont take the time to really find out what the issues are, and what the candidates stand for and support.
xppc: Nathanson converted in the 1980’s and eventually became Catholic. By his own admission he committed 75,000 abortions. Morgentaler of Canada has admitted to 100,000 – probably a conservative number since he was doing them longer than Nathanson.
There is no difference between the baby behind the cervix and the baby past the cervix. So you are right: it is infanticide.
I’m talking about totally misinformed voters or those who just drink the kool aid and dont take the time to really find out what the issues are, and what the candidates stand for and support.
Posted by: Joanne at October 22, 2008 5:12 PM
By your comments I assuming you’re talking about Obama voters and not just uninformed voters of both parties. Why do you insist on alleging that Obama voters don’t know what the issues are, what the candidates stand for, and support. I assure you the Obama supporters I know are very well informed, and enthusiastically support Senator Obama.
Ever heard of “reverse psychology”? My guess is that it work like a charm on you.
Posted by: PJMama at October 22, 2008 3:36 PM
Hmmm, and I guess counter-terrorism expert Richard Clark got fooled too:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2008/10/02/why-osama-bin-laden-and-al-qaeda-might-try-to-affect-the-election-between-barack-obama-and-john-mccain.html
And I guess that the CIA analysts who noted that the bin Laden tape released in 2004 was probably intended to influence the election in Bush’s favor must have gotten fooled by that ol’ reverse psychology too:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1808467,00.html
The terrorists LOVE the pro-war, pro-torture Republicans. It makes a great recruiting tool. Obama’s perceived popularity with world leaders is also something that they’re afraid of. It wouldn’t do to have a U.S. president who would actually be capable of uniting the world in opposition to terrorism.
Hey, you guys will love this:
OPINION
Flawed Thinking
Why pro-life Catholic intellectuals are wrong
By George Weigel | NEWSWEEK
I love George Weigel: JP II’s biographer
“But Barack Obama is a perfect pro-life nightmare.”
“I deeply regret the fact that the once-traditional political home of U.S. Catholics has embraced policy positions on the life issues that offend both Catholic faith and everyone’s reason.”
Ya gotta love George!
Larry King on CNN right now has a show: “Palin: more harm than good?”
Larry King on CNN right now has a show: “Palin: more harm than good?”
Posted by: Doug at October 22, 2008 8:17 PM
oh please. give it a rest.
The polls would be Obama 70%, McCain 30% right now if not for Sarah Palin.
“Larry King on CNN right now has a show: “Palin: more harm than good?”
Larry King? hasn’t that old liberal retired yet?
Isn’t Larry King the guy who gives 1 hr to Bill Maher so he can bash Christians and conservatives.
The polls would be Obama 70%, McCain 30% right now if not for Sarah Palin.
Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 22, 2008 8:45 PM
I’m not so sure. All the Obamacons cite to Palin as the main reason they’re bailing the sinking ship.
Hey Jasper, Bill Maher is great. I’m sorry I missed him on Larry King. (although, I must confess, I always miss Larry King)
Jasper, it’s a question – many, many Republicans are seeing that Palin does more harm than good to the McCain campaign.
Johnny can’t win without the moderates and the independents, and Palin is killing him, there.
Larry King – who knows? Yeah, I know he can be a hack, etc., but this is an issue.
Doug,
Like John said, McCain will be behind even more without her. See, the corrupt MSM are doing their best to make her look stupid, but it’s energized our base.
There’s an A/P poll out that has McCain only down by 1 point. Obama is already planning his victory party.
Palin and candidates like her, are the future of the republican party.
DANIEL HENNINGER hits the nail on the head regarding Palin:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122471822552260585.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Phylododo:
Wow, what a genius.
Of course Barack Obama doesn’t SAY he supports infanticide. Gee, I think that would kill his chances at, well, dog catcher.
Rather, he VOTES FOR infanticide. And don’t tell me doesn’t when he voted against a bill that would have protected babies born alive, yes, living babies, from being abandoned to DEATH!!!!!!!!!
Answer this Fullofit. What’s the difference between saying one thing and doing another? Can you spell L-I-A-R? CAN YOU SPELL H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?
Answer this too Brainiac. What does this say about the people who blindly follow this psychopath?
“A fool says in his heart there is no God”.
“The ways of a fool lead to death”
Hi HisMan.
Why the “blindly follow” smear. We’re not blindly following him. We like his politics, his programs, and his attitude. You might not agree, but please stop saying we don’t know what we’re doing.
Newt Gringrich calls CNN “Pravda.” Sad but true.
Hal:
You do mean pogroms don’t you?
I think blind means to lack the ability to see despite the light.
How’s it feel to be a bigot Hal?
And Hal, my, my my. You really do know who Obama is and you delight in all the people you and he have duped. You’re not stupid, lacking in wisdom, yes, stupid, no. This is the real tragedy Hal. Despite knowing who Barack Hussein Obama really is, you still support him.
Well, what else should I expect from someone who could abort two of his own flesh and blood?
Is the sleep of an executioner sweet? Nope.
HisMan, chill out. Why such hatred?
Leah:
Mantra of the left…..”Twist and shout, twist and shout, c’mon baby, let’s twist and shout.
Or should I have said…..”Twist and shout, twist and shout, DON’T c’mon baby, let’s twist and shout?”
What Leah, why is it that every time you Libs are confronted with the truth you call it hatred? Maybe because you are so blind you can’t intrepet it any other way?
What Leah, why is it that every time you Libs are confronted with the truth you call it hatred?
I know! I know! Um…is it the out-of-control ranting and gleeful condemning to hell, along with a certain degree willingness to completely twist the truth to make it look like anyone who disagrees with you is satan incarnate?
I studied pretty hard, and I think that’s the answer to your question. Where’s my gold star?
That’s right Ranty!
“. . .along with a certain degree willingness to completely twist the truth to make it look like anyone who disagrees with you is satan incarnate?”
Look, pro life people don’t want to vote for Obama. Fine. Obama supports legal abortion. But heck, every democrat since 1972 has supported abortion rights. It’s not a secret. That’s one reason he has support broad and deep.
I do understand the anger at realizing half the country is supporting a candidate you think isn’t worthy of running an AA meeting. I was pretty angry in 2004, for example. I suppose, for reasons that escape me, some voters are unhappy with Obama. I hope they keep an open mind if he wins and give him a chance to prove their fears unfounded.
I can come up with a thousand or so derogatory names for you, hisman. But, you always show yourself to be the hypocrite you are – adhering to the edicts of your religion only when it suits you.
If you can’t realize the difference between required medical attention where it has a chance of having an effect and requiring futile endeavors in an attmept to subvert legal rights – hey you must enjoy breathing sand – enjoy.
So, if it’s not painfully obvious, you’re being ignored! Now you can go back to blathering to your sky buddy.
So, if it’s not painfully obvious, you’re being ignored! Now you can go back to blathering to your sky buddy.
Posted by: phylosopher at October 22, 2008 10:39 PM
and editing that secret tape of Obama that was going to change the election.
Joe – look up the relationship between Odinga and Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ
There’s other videos out there that show Obama stumping for him.
I heard about this some time ago, but just looked at it yesterday and was absolutely shocked!
Posted by: Chris Arsenault at October 22, 2008 9:45 AM
and in all fairness ( you do beleive in fairness now don’t you Chris? or is that against your religion when it comes to Obama? then you might also want to look a these sources – and, you can stop right there with the “oooohhh , it’s a biased source,” because I’m referring to the multiple outside, independent sources it quotes:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/23/odingasmear
Say, how is that tape going? Sort of like video-photoshopping hey? While you’re at it, can you please produce that doctored whitey tape, too?
anyone heard from MK? I’d understand if she wants some time off, but I hope she’s okay.
okay, I’ll leave you all with this tonight. Be interested in John, Jasper, and HisMan’s views on this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBLnwMbYmUw&eurl=http:
@Hal: I emailed MK a bit this weekend, would you like me to email her on your behalf? Let her know you’re thinking about her?
Sure Rea, thanks. That would be nice.
Wow Hal: Gee, I think I’ll change my skybuddy ways becuz the brilliant lawyer that you are showed me a link to a Boob Tube video. A better title would have been: “Liars for Hire for Change”. Now, did you collect a bonus for that piece of work, counselor?
Why Flyinthedo: When you can characterize your blasphemy and rants against my “sky buddy” as ignoring me, well, I understand and I feel your pain. You see, you have a way of lying to yourself all the time.
This too. I have found a secret weapon against you Libs. It’s called, well, my goodness, dare I say it at risk of you hurting my feelings, THE TRUTH!!!!! And boy oh boy, when it’s used, those fangs really do come out, now don’t they? Flyliedo, did you floss today? I think you missed a spot.
Liedo, don’t be so sensitive. Be a man or a woman, whatever you are. I mean if an innocent baby in the womb can take being suctioned, ripped apart, dismembered, poisoned, and have their brains sucked out (just go here in case you need a reminder http://www.AbortionNo.org) because you and Hal and Obama say it’s OK, certainly you can take a few hits on the truth bong can’t you Fauxdo without disintegrating into a pathetic mess?
And let me remind the world of your insulting post”Jill Stanek = the Roseann Roseannadanna of the blog world.
Once and for all – Barack Obama does not condone infanticide. There were and are other laws on the books that require medical assistance to all those who are born. (excluding heroic measures to those terminally ill) and Obama has stated that he would support restrictions on late term abortions if there were exceptions for the life and health of the mother.
And that’s the commonsense view shared by most Americans.
Jill’s strawman arguments, insinuations, and innuendo notwithstanding.
BTW, Jill where’s that whitey tape we were promised?
Posted by: phylosopher at October 22, 2008 9:11 AM”
Plywood: Now c’mon, how many times do I have to explain to you that intentionally and willfully abandoning a baby born alive so that it dies means killing the baby? Infant = baby, cide = to kill (from caedere to slay, to kill). Now slowly, infanticide = to kill a baby. Voting against legislation that would prevent such hienous acts (to most normal human beings) is no different than wielding the sludge hammer, or turning on the suctioning machine oneself. What exactly don’t you understand about this? I know, he’s was agin’ it befur he was fur it.
Think you can mess with me like you mess with Sarah Palin or Jill, go ahead, give me your best inane shot.
Back to you Hal: You consistently demonstrate your complete inability at thinking outside of the the lockbox which is your head. In Italian it’s called, “testa dura” which means hard head. So, keep insulting my God by banging your cranium against the wall. Someday it will explode or rather, ooze out.
And Hal, this about the tape. The need for the tape was made irrelevant when McCain and Biden made a secret deal that went like this, “Joe, just be yourself and have fun, and I promise you a good retirement in sunny Arizona. You’ll be able to do a daily flatulation over a vortex in Sedona.” Sounds like Joe took him up on the deal except Joe forgot that there’s no difference between his mouth and his behind.
So where’s Obama now Hal? In Hawaii having his goons go through his grandma’s papers before the FBI gets there? Where’s his real birth certificate Hal? Now wouldn’t be a hoot if a Harvard law professor didn’t know what a valid birth certificate looked like or, that he didn’t know that if you didn’t show up or respond to a lawsuit, guess what, you lose? Did you and Obama both miss the “Civil Procedure” class Hal or were you both too busy community organizing in the smoke filled back room? Do you think Hillary can still win?
Barry looked tired today Hal. Why is that Hal? You think he knows something he can’t lie his way out of?
Wow.
Just…wow.
::facefork::
Barry looked tired today Hal. Why is that Hal? You think he knows something he can’t lie his way out of?
Posted by: HisMan at October 23, 2008 12:22 AM
That’s real nice. Maybe the strain of losing his last remaining parent figure would take a bit of a toll. If he had not gone to visit his grandmother, I can hear the howls from the likes of you now: “The man has no respect for the woman who raised him, and ignores her dying pleas in his quest to get elected.” You know what HisMan, Obama is too good for you. But, he’ll do his best for all of us.
by the way, old friend, I’ve got a busy few days coming up. I’ll try to check in now and then, but mostly, you’ll have to manage without me. Not as good as being banned, I’m sure. But you can pretend.
Like Rae, Wow,
What a contemptible piece of *** you are Hisman. And Jill and others on this board who don’t publicly condemn that post.
You know you folks just ooooooze with sentinemtal, emotional sympathy when it comes to the unborn and even a two celled zygote. But when a grown man does the honorable thing, you let your hate remain center stage, pushing all sorts of rumor to deny him and his aged grandmother the same sympathy.
I’m almost sad it’s a sky buddy you worship. Becasue teh biblical Jesus wouldn’t exactly have a warm welcome for the lieks of you Meanman.
Like Rae, Wow,
What a contemptible piece of *** you are Hisman. And Jill and others on this board who don’t publicly condemn that post.
You know you folks just ooooooze with sentinemtal, emotional sympathy when it comes to the unborn and even a two celled zygote. But when a grown man does the honorable thing, you let your hate remain center stage, pushing all sorts of rumor to deny him and his aged grandmother the same sympathy.
I’m almost sad it’s a sky buddy you worship. Becasue the biblical Jesus wouldn’t exactly have a warm welcome for the likes of you Meanman.
phylosopher at October 22, 2008 11:07 PM
– you are offering clearly biased non-independent evidence.
– FactCheck.org and the like, offered up by Obama biased sites, are demonstrably non-neutral, and work as nothing less than propaganda machines.
– in this election, neutrality is non-existent. Even if it were possible, the media has dispelled any notion of fairness.
– anything labeled gratuitously as a smear by Obama advocates is usually worth seriously investigating.
– On it’s face, any partisan Obama source is not to be trusted. Obama’s lies on BAIPA indicate he has no integrity, there is a sense his advocates will be dishonest in their dealings.
– Given the internet, one need not rely on Obama’s “Pravda” to gain first hand accounts from personally trusted sources to the veracity of the evidence.
– that Obama campaigned for Odinga, (unquestionable) was an abuse of his office as a US Senator, and it’s unquestionable that acts of genocide were committed, with Odinga failing to call off his people. Any kind of unrest that leads to violence cannot be condoned. Lack of interest in investigating the seriousness of Obama’s relationship to this activity (similar to the array of disingenuous arguments against BAIPA) is cause for great concern. Ignorance is no way to elect a president.
– Without your real name, you hide behind a mask. You’re no more believable than some bogus website, like Politifact.
phylosopher – the koolaid you drank is starting to take effect.
The only question I have for you – do you have a machete?
Hisman,
BRAVO!
Well said!!
Baiting on the name again Chris? What’s the matter, have you vandalized all the Obama signs in your neighborhood already? Need some new Obama voters to try to intimidate?
SO CSIS and Politifact (not factcheck) and Congressional Quarterly are biased? They’re both bipartisan. So try rereading the article and checking its references – this time take off your white hood – it’s obviously interfering with your reading ability.
How worth investigating was
1) the whitey tape
2) the self-contradictory Muslim/Wright associations
3) the birth certificate (you don’t think the RNC and the McCain camp would be ALL over this?)
another check – one that checks both sides, BTW
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp
Did he appear with Odinga, yes – but before the violence and in an effort to stop Kenya’s undeniably (by all source accounts)corrupt/ethnically partisan divisions.
As a matter of fact Chris, I do have a machete – great garden tool – bought from a good old American farm supply company. Is that where you got the rope for the noose that hangs in your closet?
phylosopher @ 10:30 AM
Actually, your evidence is not believable and your attempts to explain away such activities is simply pathetic.
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“My” evidence (seems that you want to ignore any source that isn’t WingNutDaily or FauxNews)? And yours is to stamp your foot and call it not credible without bothering to check? What’s the matter? time to go bleach the sheets again, so you don’t have time to back up your own “pathetic” attempts at arguments?
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Hal:
Abortion i a lie.
Obama is a lie.
You have become a walking lie.
Why, I don’t know.
It’s very tragic and pathetic.
HisMan, I’m not sure how to reply to your sadness and disillusionment. In every election we have winners and losers, it’s like life. Right now it appears that the majority of our fellow citizens support the new guy. So, the old guy has to lose. Next time, maybe it will be different. Rejoice is our happiness and open your heart to the possibility that we’re not all insane, evil, stupid or misled. Maybe we know what we’re doing, why we’re doing it, and what we expect. Could we be wrong? Of course, but I’ve never seen so many people follow politics so closely. That they’re falling into the Obama camp must mean something.
Have a great day.
There’s an A/P poll out that has McCain only down by 1 point. Obama is already planning his victory party.
Jasper, I realize it’s been a couple days, but CBS News/NY Times poll has Obama up by 13, and RCP’s average of polls is Obama +7.4.
…..
Palin and candidates like her, are the future of the republican party.
That sounds mighty promising for Democrats.
I do think the Palin will be a presence in the future, though.
Saw an article today – “Does GOP ad presume Obama victory?”
http://tinyurl.com/5smaxc
Phylosopher: So, if it’s not painfully obvious, you’re being ignored! Now you can go back to blathering to your sky buddy.
Hal: and editing that secret tape of Obama that was going to change the election.
:: laughing ::
Hal, you rascal.
I think next week is the time to bring that bad boy out, for maximum effect….
The great thing is Doug, so many people have already voted. Nothing HisMan does now can make any difference. Probably never did.
Hal – sure, to be serious, it’s a done deal, barring some veddy, veddy, unusual occurrence.
I don’t know to what extent HisMan really believes all he says, but the only example of a really big turnaround late is when Reagan overtook Carter, after Carter having been 5 points ahead.
I think we’re later in the game than was the case, then, and Obama has a bigger lead, so it’s “unlikely” squared – something like that.
The great thing is Doug, so many people have already voted. Nothing HisMan does now can make any difference. Probably never did.
Posted by: hal at October 24, 2008 6:32 PM
I disagree. The undecided have not voted yet. HisMan’s posts can certainly influence people’s minds. Hopefully in support of the most innocent of human LIFE – the UNBORN.