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Hilarious! Bill as the Family Guy – that rocks.
lol :)
How ironic that this man is still a “hero” to some feminists.
Doyle,
Why not? After all the women who accused Clinton of everything from exposing himself to rape were, according to Clinton’s minions, bimbos, trailer trash, psychotics, and liars.
Do you recall feminists going to the defense of any of these women or expressing an iota of outrage?
I remember one ardent feminist who didn’t believe Paula Jones because she’s “homely”. Being this woman was definitely no beauty herself I wanted to ask if she would be unworthy of belief if she accused someone of sexual assault.
Even journalist Ellen Goodman, a feminist, did some amazing semantic gymnastics to explain how Clinton’s behavior(flashing Paula Jones) didn’t qualify as sexual harassment. According to Ms.Goodman, so long as a man stops when you tell him to its not. Also, how can a man know a woman disapproves of certain behavior unless she tells him.
Being devilish, I had to write Ms.Goodman and ask if she would have no objections to a man putting his hand up her dress or down her blouse so long as he stopped when she told him to.
Never did get an answer.
Mary,
As long as Clinton supported abortion, everything else could be overlooked by the feminists.
That is right, Jasper, and Clinton’s record on abortion was almost as bad as O’s.
‘Change we can believe in’
What is the difference between the o’bama (pbuh) and Bill Clinton?
The o’bama (pbuh) has one more daughter to punish him.
Will the o’bama (pbuh) bring back the former bar room ‘bouncer’ Craig Livingstone to be the head of white house personel security offic?
yor bro ken
In keeping with my once noted penchant for ‘bad taste’ (I have never been accused of having ‘good taste’.), I pose the following questions for the discerning and discriminating observers of former clinton white house miscreants?
Which member of the new administration will be the first fatality attributed to accidental death, suicide or homicide?
How long will Rohm Emanuel be white house chief of staff before the o’bama (pbuh) campaign bus rolls over him? (Isn’t it fitting that the o’bama (pbuh), the ‘messiah’ , the ‘one’, has a chief of staff whose last name means ‘god with us’?)
Will the presidential jet be renamed ‘Air Force That One’ ( http://www.thatone08.com/ ) or ‘Soul Plane’ ( http://www.soulplane.com/ )?
yor bro ken
When you have to go back to “blowjobs of the 90’s” for your humor I know you don’t live in reality. After all, Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Distruction and is asleep at the wheel as our economy goes south. While i don’t find any of that humorous, it has more in common with the truth than any legend about Clinton’s pecidillos.
Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Distruction
If it was a lie, then your beloved democrats lied too….
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
– President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
– President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
– Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” S
– Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
– Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
– Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
– Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” Rep.
– Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
And also, why is Barack saying that he might hold off on his tax hikes?
“President-elect Barack Obama may consider delaying a campaign promise – to roll back tax cuts on high-income Americans – as part of his economic recovery strategy, two aides said on Sunday.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081123/pl_nm/us_usa_obama_taxes
I thought we NEEDED to raise taxes on “the rich” in order to save the economy. Now Obama says that for the sake of fixing the economy, he might delay raising taxes on “the rich”? Well don’t that just beat all?
Did you honestly just say that word John? Apparently Jill’s site isn’t a “family” site anymore, or that word is now appropriate to say in public.
YLT, 11:01PM
Who’s talking humor? I never saw anything funny about sexual assault.
The only thing funny was listening to feminists twist themselves in knots trying to “explain” Clinton.
I alway thought one of the tenets of feminism was that a woman’s physical appearance or socioeconomic status is never an issue in sexual assault.
Unless of course that woman is accusing someone the feminists support.
John 12:01PM
Our leader can’t even figure out who “the rich” are. Its now anywhere between 100k to 250k.
Are 95% of Americans still getting a tax cut?
Mary,
The oirginal price was $300,000. I like John McCain’s cool $5 million myself.
And yes, I’m still getting my welfare check. Wait, tax cut, YEAH, that’s it, TAX CUT YO!
I would like to say I don’t know why Hillary stayed with Bill but I guess it would be really hard to leave someone who you went through so much with, having a child, the political front, marriage.
I wonder how everyone would have reacted if Hillary was the one who had the affair?
Jess,
What gets me are these “contrite” politicians admitting their affairs with a devoted and loving spouse at their side, who’s always so understanding and forgiving.
Ever think we’ll see this when its a female politician?
Please Jill do not degrade the pro-life movement to the level of the pro-death, pro-promiscuity, perverted, PP crowd. It is an insult to the Godly standard of protecting the sanctity of human life and the sanctity of marital sex. I know it is hard not to be disgruntled after the results of the election and the vile things that have been said during this campaign but please keep to a higher standard than the enemy. “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places”. If we sink to their level of degradation, God’s message of salt and light cannot pierce through the darkness of evil. Remember that it is God that sets up and sets down authority, he did not allow this to happen by accident, nor is he taken by surprize. When it doubt, remember “speak the truth in love” and “let no corrupt comminication come out of your mouth” or in this case from your blog. I and many others are praying for you. God is still in control, even when we cannot see it. Please do not offend those of us who are committed to this movement, we must raise not lower the standard. God help this nation.
I don’t know Mary. It seems to me that people are under the impression that these male politicians can’t help themselves, as in men have such strong sexual urges it’s hard for them to control themselves and it’s up to the women to curb men’s sexual appetites. If a woman were to have an affair most people would probably assume she’s this insatiable sexual deviant.
Insults don’t win anyone over, they just make people mad. I wish you’d understand that.
You’re not going to change anyone’s mind by insulting them.
Jess,
How true. There must always be some conniving female luring a man helpless to control himself.
For how long was it believed, and sadly still is, that a woman “enticed” her sexual abuser or rapist? How could the poor guy control himself?
The woman is the “homewrecker”, not the man responsible for walking out of his marriage. Or, if she was the kind of wife she should be, he never would have strayed.
Women even become pregnant by themselves.
Men seem responsible for little if any of their decisions and behavior.
Men seem responsible for little if any of their decisions and behavior.
Posted by: Mary at November 23, 2008 3:49 PM
I don’t see this at all.
Mary, I see a LOT of men having to take responsibility for what they’ve done. In fact, I think men get it worse because everyone SAYS they don’t get it as bad, so when there’s a scandal everyone is 2x as hard on men.. because men “never get it bad”..
To me, it looks like WOMEN are always the “victims”.. women can do SO much worse than men. I’ve seen it happen.. the girl that got dumped so she cried “rape”? How often can a GUY do THAT to a girl?
Josephine, no argumentation of any kind ever wins over anyone, other than lies, deception, or brainwashing. Would you prefer that I use the Obama/Democrat/media tactics of lying/brainwashing?
Trying to argue with facts is a waste of time. Anyone who has been on here for any amount of time should know that. The pro-abortion liberals are impervious to reason. The only thing you can do is insult them. That’s it.
They continue to argue that “George W. Bush lied us into war!”, even when irrefutable proof is presented that Democrats – including President Clinton and Hillary Clinton – also believed that Hussein had WMDs.
They continue to argue that “George W. Bush destroyed the economy!”, when the economy was doing pretty well up until 2007, which is when, hey, guess what, the Democrats took over Congress. If you remember, the Dems didn’t get in then because of a bad economy, but based on the notion that the Republicans were “corrupt”.
They continue to argue that “George W. Bush is divisive!”, when Bush has actually bent over backwards to work with and show respect toward the Democrats for the past 8 years. The Democrats would have been satisfied with nothing less than Bush telling them that he was going to enact all of their policies and to hell with any and every pro-life or conservative policy.
Throughout the campaign, they continued to argue that Bush and McCain hate Mexicans in order to scare Hispanics into voting Democrat. In reality, Hispanics have had no better friends then Bush and McCain, who have gone against some pretty loud voices from within their own party on immigration. And yet, McCain lost the Hispanic vote big, because of Democrat lies and slander.
It’s been nothing but 8 years of vicious, evil lies against President Bush from these scum, and just because their candidate was elected doesn’t mean they’re going to change their tune. They thrive on lies, and are not worth talking to. Insults are all they deserve.
I didn’t say you shouldn’t argue your point. You absolutely SHOULD argue how wrong abortion is..but if a pro-choice Obama-supporter who was wondering about the pro-life side came and that was the first thing they saw… do you think they’d stay and read anything anyone had to say?
I’m pro-life, but the Obama-hatin’ going on here still makes me really mad.
If you say the only think you can do is insult them, shouldn’t you give up then? I mean, you don’t want to try and change anyone’s mind because it’s a “waste of time”… so, go ahead, insult them, and watch all the pro-choice legislation get passed. I, personally, think that’s the a bad choice.
Josephine,
Some good points. What I mean by men not being held responsible was only in reference to what I wrote.
In fact, when all this sexual harassment hype came out during the Hill/Thomas hearings (I never could understand how such an educated woman as Hill, an attorney, would be such a “victim”) my elderly mother roared with laughter over these senate hearings and asked, “When did women become so damned helpless? Do they think women have never handled situations like this before now?”
Yes, female “victimhood” can be contrived and convenient when necessary. And so can male.
I agree completely, Mary.
(I think that’s a first?)
Josephine,
Hopefully not the last :)
“I’m pro-life, but the Obama-hatin’ going on here still makes me really mad.”
People who claim to be pro-life and pro-Obama at the same time are what make me really mad. The two are indeed mutually exclusive. And the fact that you continue to LIE about this makes me absolutely furious.
No reason someone can’t be pro life and pro Obama.
You’ll see.
Hal, your right, no reason except FOCA, IL BAIPA, Mexico City Policy, Partial Birth Abortion, and the fact that Obama sees children as a punishment.
But other than that he’s totally pro-life!
Posted by: Bethany at November 23, 2008 11:54 AM
Every one of the people you mentioned regretted those statements and were rightfully taken to the cleaners by the left. Those statements are perhaps more newsworthy though than Clinton getting a blowjob, so you’re on the right track.
Though there was never an admission of guilt on Clinton’s part, only that he had mislead on the stand. Which is more than one can say for Bush and his cronies or his best friend Ken “Kenny-Boy” Lay of Enron who lied,died and ruined thousands of lives while remaining a close associate of Bush. How many times has Bush taken our economy into the toilet?
John– Obama isn’t forcing anyone to have abortions. I’m a firm believer in the fact that I think if abortion was somehow made illegal, it would continue to happen. That’s why I think you should be preaching to the people who are having abortions, not just hating on Obama. It’s not helping, as you can tell. I think the only way to stop abortions is to stop women from wanting them. :)
Mary, ditto. I disagree with you a lot, but just so you know, I think you’re a good person and probably very nice! (when we’re not arguing.. ha!) :)
Men seem responsible for little if any of their decisions and behavior.
Posted by: Mary at November 23, 2008 3:49 PM
I don’t see this at all.
Posted by: hal at November 23, 2008 4:17 PM
of course not. You were very much responsible for the deaths of your two children Hal.
Josephine, 5:52PM
Well thank you. I’m fond of you as well. I always enjoy a good joust. A nice person? Well, let’s say I try! :)
“I think the only way to stop abortions is to stop women from wanting them. :)”
Truer words were never spoken Josephine!
I know you think you know what the o’bama (pbuh) said, but do you really know what he meant?
That is why it is called faith, believing without seeing. No evidence of the thing hoped for, except the word of the o’bama (pbuh).
Going without knowing, just following the yellow brick road to the utopian workers paradise. Better leave a trail of bread crumbs. You might want to find your way home when there is no pot of gold, or even stew, when you come to the end of the rainbow. Do not pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. he is just the wizard of uuuuuuhhhhhzzzz (pbuh).
yor bro ken
The o’bama policy in regard to unplanned pregnancy:
‘No child left behind.’
That is the guarantee the o’bama (pbuh) wants to ensure when an infant is born alive as the result of a failed abortion.
yor bro ken
“I’m pro-life, but the Obama-hatin’ going on here still makes me really mad.”
Jo,
You are not pro-life. You said that you think abortion should remain legal, remember?. That’s not pro-life.
I absolutely, 100% am against abortion. I think it’s wrong. I think it’s murder.
Posted by: Josephine at November 20, 2008 4:17 PM
I don’t think LAWS will stop abortion. They will never get passed anyway, and.. women will find ways. Dangerous ways, yes… but ways.
I think the way to stop abortion is to stop women from wanting them, like I already said.
So, you’re right. I believe abortion should remain legal. I just don’t think people should get them. I’m glad you’re the pro-life police though, and you can tell people when they are or aren’t pro-life. :)
there will be a lot fewer abortions if it is illegal, like pre-1973, don’t you want fewer abortions? If you think abortion is murder, then why should it be legal.
Uhm, how do you know the number of abortions from before 1973? If they were illegal, how would someone keep track of that?
By the way– are you TRYING to make people be pro-choice? :)
Josephine, Bernard Nathanson, the founder of NARAL admitted to fabricating the numbers 10 fold and the death rate 100 fold in order to bolster abortion support.
Lauren, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Bernard Nathanson is a former abortionist and founder of NARAL. He admits to inflating the number of deaths by illegal abortion. There were most likely 200-300. The numbers given to the public were in the 1,000’s to garner support for the legalization of abortion.
Bernard Nathanson wrote the book The Hand of God. It is about his journey out of the abortion business. I am reading it right now.
Is that number for his town? County? State?
I don’t understand how anyone can know how many illegal abortions there are. I mean, a big drug dealer probably knows about a lot of drug dealing.. but not all drug dealing everywhere.
“To prohibit abortions does not stop them. When women feel it is absolutely necessary, they will choose to have abortions, even in secret, without medical care, in dangerous circumstances. In the two decades before abortion was legal in the U.S., it’s been estimated that nearly a million women per year sought out illegal abortions. Thousands died. Tens of thousands were mutilated.”
I found that on a pro-life website..
http://www.mrdata.net/books/9reasons.htm
then found that it’s actually from
Planned Parenthood “Revised version March 1989.”
Anyway, I’m a pretty strong believer in the fact that the only way to stop abortion is from stopping women from wanting them. Even IF abortions get banned, it will still happen.. unless the women just don’t want them.
“I’m a pretty strong believer in the fact that the only way to stop abortion is from stopping women from wanting them. Even IF abortions get banned, it will still happen.. unless the women just don’t want them.”
I’m a pretty strong believer in the fact that the only way to stop stealing is stopping thiefs from wanting to steal. Even IF stealing gets banned, it will still happen.. unless the thiefs just don’t want to steal.
I’m a pretty strong believer in the fact that the only way to stop rapes is to stop rapists from wanting to rape. Even IF raping gets banned, it will still happen.. unless the rapists just don’t want to rape.
… the goal is to stop people from wanting to do these things, not making it illegal. People will still do bad things even if it is illegal. What the heck, let’s do away with all public safety laws.
Jasper, you know there’s a difference and you’re being ridiculous.
Eating poop from the sidewalk isn’t illegal, people don’t do it though… because it’s disgusting.
“You may be arrested for vagrancy if you do not have at least one dollar bill on your person.
You must contact the police before entering the city in an automobile.
The English language is not to be spoken.”
All of those are laws still currently on the books in Illinois. They don’t get enforced. Tell me, do you think a law banning abortion would get enforced or just blown off? Knowing a lot of doctors, I think I can safely say there will still be MANY doctors willing to do abortions. So, yes, laws aren’t what’s going to stop abortion. If a nation wide abortion ban passed tomorrow, what would happen then? Maybe the number of abortions would be reduced a little… but, what, did you “win” then?
“Knowing a lot of doctors, I think I can safely say there will still be MANY doctors willing to do abortions.”
Really? you know a lot of doctors willing to break the law? what other laws are they breaking now?
Mary, the image of slick Willie on my TV set, looking directly into the camera and wagging his finger at it, is burned into my memory. “I want you to listen to me”, he said, “I did not have sex with that woman”. Yeah, right.
Josephine, you seem very confused on the subject of being “prolife”. There is no authority on who is and who is not prolife EXCEPT the dictionaries:
pro-life adjective against open access to abortion: in favor of bringing the human fetus to full term, especially by campaigning against open access to abortion and against experimentation on embryos http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861736610
pro-life adjective opposed to the belief that a pregnant woman should have the freedom to choose an abortion if she does not want to have a baby
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=63328&dict=CALD
pro-life -adj.
opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/pro-life
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) –
pro-life -adjective opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-life&r=66
Obviously, you are NOT prolife, even if you are anti-abortion.
Josephine:
EVERY law in human history has been violated. I see people taking illegal u turns at places that have “no u turn” signs. If you prohibit prenatal homicide and vigorously and aggressively enforce the statute and prosecute ALL criminal abortionists and ALL mothers and fathers who kill or attempt to kill unborn children you will greatly reduece, although not eliminate, abortion crime.
The number of deaths of mothers committing illegal prenatal homicides has been statistically estimated by examining the number of deaths and injuries (which were not that large) before Roe vs Wade. There were over 1,000 deaths a year prior to 1940. With the advent of antibiotics and better medical techniques, the number steadily dropped to 200-300 in the 1960’s and to 39 by 1972. It is estimated that the number of illegal prenatal homicides was 100,000-200,000 per year prior to 1973. The abortionists lied about all this as they have lied about just about everything else, as Dr. Nathanson has said.
The FBI estimates that men commit about 200,000 illegal back alley criminal rapes every year. Others estimate as high as 300,000. Many men are injured or killed every year when women fight back. Also, there are about 15,000 illegal postnatal homicides (murders) every year. Many people are of course injured or killed when their potential murder victims fight back in self defense.
If you buy the argument about keeping crimes legal because people will commit them anyway, perhaps you would follow the same logic and call for the legalization of murder and rape?
Josephine and Jasper,
In fact, doctors who do abortions are looked down on. They’re tolerated yes, and a pregnant mistress or two may be sent their way, but they are looked down on. Plenty of doctors who pay lip service to “choice” are not going to get their own hands dirty.
I remember when the new President Clinton ordered military hospitals overseas to perform elective abortions. Everyone refused. My opinion was it was a collective nose thumbing at Clinton. However, the doctors and support staff refused and there wasn’t squat Clinton could do.
Josephine, this “To prohibit abortions does not stop them. When women feel it is absolutely necessary, they will choose to have abortions, even in secret, without medical care, in dangerous circumstances. In the two decades before abortion was legal in the U.S., it’s been estimated that nearly a million women per year sought out illegal abortions. Thousands died. Tens of thousands were mutilated.” was the lie promoted by Nathanson.
The actual numbers were close to 100,000 illegal abortions/year and less than 300 deaths. Om fact the number of abortion deaths was lower in the year prior to legaliztion than they year after legalization.
Doyle 9:04am
Even when he owned up to this lie, people were falling all over themselves to “explain” him.
This guy is a socipath extraordinnaire. His ability to manipulate people and play the victim is unsurpassed by anything I’ve ever seen.
Shortly after the scandal broke, Bill had to go on a week long vacation with Hillary. I’m sure a week with the devil in hell would have been preferable since, as the saying goes, “hell hath no fury…..”.
Mary @9:57 AM
I remember when the new President Clinton ordered military hospitals overseas to perform elective abortions. Everyone refused. My opinion was it was a collective nose thumbing at Clinton. However, the doctors and support staff refused and there wasn’t squat Clinton could do.
It makes me so proud of our military! Now, if we could only get ALL doctors and support staff to do the right thing!
“Even when he owned up to this lie, people were falling all over themselves to “explain” him.
This guy is a socipath extraordinnaire. His ability to manipulate people and play the victim is unsurpassed by anything I’ve ever seen.”
Mary, didn’t you call President Elect Obama a sociopath too? Is that your term for Democrat?
Democratic politicians (or any others) who would allow virtually unlimited killing of ALL members of the human race in the first nine months of our lives do indeed exhibit strong sociopathic tendencies.
Hal 10:12am
I most certainly did. Though I must admit he has Narcissitic traits as well. These disorders are very similiar and share many of the same traits, including an ability to maniupulate people and be incredibly charasmatic. Sometimes it can be hard to distinguish the difference and opinions may vary.
Read Dr.Martha Stout’s book “The Sociopath Next Door”. Dr. Stout maintains that 1 in 4 Americans is a sociopath. No, this does not make them ax murderers. This can be the person you’re surprised to find out has spread lies about you or engaged in an illegal activity.
I’ve had to come to the conclusion that a long time friend and co-worker is a sociopath. Nicest guy in the world when he wants to be, but I always keep in mind I’m dealing with a sociopath.
In my opinion Bill Clinton is textbook sociopath and Obama is a combination of narcissistic and sociopathic traits.
My sister is a narcissistic pd and if she and I can manage a civil conversation its an accomplishment. PDs are not nice people, they just know how to turn on the charm when necessary.
“Democratic politicians (or any others) who would allow virtually unlimited killing of ALL members of the human race in the first nine months of our lives do indeed exhibit strong sociopathic tendencies.”
Joe, please check your sociopathic tendencies at the door before coming in and trying to control women.
Tara, please stop with the whole “trying to control women” nonsense. I couldn’t care less what a woman does, as long as it doesn’t include killing another human being.
@ Posted by: Jasper at November 24, 2008 8:57 AM
Jasper, it was that way BEFORE 1973, and it will be that way again. I’m willing to bet almost every single doctor at my dad’s hospital would still be willing to do abortions. From what I’ve asked him, most of the doctors at conferences he’s gone to would still be willing to do abortions. Like I said, it was that way BEFORE 1973.
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“In fact, doctors who do abortions are looked down on.”
Where did you see this “fact”? Is it something you came up with? I happen to know some of the most respected doctors in my community and yes, many of them perform abortions.
Doyle:
pro-life (pr?-l?f’)
“opposed to abortion,” first attested 1976, from pro- + life.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro-life
I sure wish people would stop posting definitions of every word, ever.
Josephine,
I’ve worked in the medical area almost 40 years. I’m telling you what I have seen, heard, and observed.
Doctors will support abortion but will not do them. They look down on abortionists. They tolerate them.
I trained in an OR over 25 years ago. Only a limited amount of staff would do abortions and the schedule had to be arranged around that fact when the few abortions scheduled were done. Even these few people often resented being “stuck” with them.
Only two docs did them, one a real ghoul. Though tolerated, it was just viewed with an air of disdain.
I can attest to what you are saying, Mary. I have worked in healthcare for many years. Only docs we considered “butchers” performed abortions, usually those who treated their regular ob/gyn patients like “dirt”, had the worst reputations and had almost no patients to speak of.
A good friend, a retired Army surgical nurse supervisor and officer, who served in military hospitals in Germany told me horror stories about how they hated being “ordered” to abort babies. She could hardly find anyone on the base to scrub in for them. She said she tried to protect her young, enlisted staff because they would be so “traumitized” by scrubbing in for abortions. They were very relieved when they were NOT required to perform them any longer. God help all our military people and our entire nation if they are going to be forced to perform them again and if we are going to forced to pay for them. Is there a way for the military healthcare workers to speak out about this before BHO as commander and chief tries to force them to perform abortions?
Tara:
I’ve believed for every one of the 37 years that I have supported unborn human rights that you abortionist advocates are irrational (as well as being immoral). Nothing you said changes that in any way.
You cannot logically be concerned about “controlling” women or anything else when you believe in destroying ALL women and depriving EVERY woman of EVERY minute of her life.
Your abortionist position is both anti-life and anti-human. I do not understand how a human being can spend nine months in her mother’s womb, come out, grow up and then support unlimited lethal violence against all the little people who come after her and are doing nothing more than what she did and what we all have to do to live our human lives.
I have always been horrified by the cold bloodedness and the ruthless cruelty and inhumanity of opponents of unborn human rights.
Clearly your movement is one that has severe moral and spiritual problems and I wish I had an answer for that.
Prolifer L,
Mary talked about that at 9:57am. She told how military personnel REFUSED to do abortions while Clinton was president.
So the doctors in the area you worked is what you’re talking about. You surely can’t be talking about doctors in general, ’cause you’d have no idea.
PLL and Carla,
If the staff refuses I can not think of any way BO could force them. Just as the OR staff at the hospital I trained at couldn’t be forced. If they got angry and left, that whole hospital would have collapsed.
Josephine 1:48PM
I’m talking various areas over many years. I worked with one OR worker who while strongly supporting abortion, refused to take part in it. I’ve seen a lot of that.
Lip service is one thing and I’m sure you’ve heard and seen plenty of that. Actually getting your hands dirty is quite another.
Even NARAL has expressed concern over the shortage of “abortion providers”. Personally I would think this would be a plum job. Easy money, quick work, good hours. So why aren’t docs standing in line for these jobs and why is there concern over not enough providers?
PLL,
I was shocked when a good friend of mine told me he was forced to participate in abortions while in the navy in the late 1960s to early 70s.
Only Catholic personnel had the right to opt out. As a Methodist he had no such option.
…Mary, have you lived in small towns or big cities? You seem to be forgetting that I live near Chicago. Trust me, plenty of people here are willing to do abortions whether it is or is not legal.
Josephine,
Both. I was raised in a major city and worked in one of the hospitals.
Concerning Chicago, are you aware there was a huge abortion clinic scandal back in 1978. These were abortion clinics run openly and legally on some of the most exclusive avenues in Chicago. Reporters did an undercover expose that was shocking and included such things as not changing gloves or washing hands between patients, falsified record keeping, pressuring women into abortions, unqualified doctors who mostly moonlighting novices from the training hospitals, and unreported injuries and deaths.
PLL,
..my friend was also very resentful of the fact he was forced to parttake in them and did not have the option to refuse.
“doctors who do abortions are looked down on. They’re tolerated yes, and a pregnant mistress or two may be sent their way, but they are looked down on. Plenty of doctors who pay lip service to “choice” are not going to get their own hands dirty.”
-Posted by: Mary at November 24, 2008 9:57 AM
I would like to refute that, given the number of young, female physicians I know personally who have not only supported abortion rights, but have also worked in community clinics that perform abortions. Most of them are about 4-5 years out of med school, at the resident/attendee level and they’re not ‘looked down’ on – in fact, many of these women have started to encourage each other to consider abortion work given the shortage of older doctors who perform them, or spending time getting access to women who are in areas where there is no abortion available (at least w/in a reasonable distance).
I actually did know about that. They performed abortions on women that were not even pregnant. I don’t see how that correlates with what we were talking about. Chicago has a pretty crappy record when it comes to abortion, and I’m going to guess that no matter if it’s illegal or not.. abortions will be performed here. Which is why I think the only way to stop abortion is to stop women from wanting them.
Danielle,
I beg to differ. Believe me, they are viewed with contempt though they may be tolerated to their faces. As I said there is plenty of lip service. I didn’t say it stopped doctors determined to do abortions.
Why do you suppose there’s an “older” doctor shortage? Maybe because they start out like the ladies you mention, very idealistic with the best intentions, and then burn out? Why do you suppose there are areas with no abortion available? Maybe because no one wants to do them?
Josephine 2:13PM
Correct. Apparently legal abortion(5 years after Roe v Wade) did nothing to stop this from taking place, instead it only enabled the hacks(which included a mortician school dropout and a former used car salesman who found the abortion business much more profitable) to conduct their business legally,in the nicest neighborhoods, and on totally unsuspecting women.
Josephine,
How do we stop women from wanting them? Would love to hear your thoughts. Especially if it involves women who regret their abortions! :)
“I beg to differ. Believe me, they are viewed with contempt though they may be tolerated to their faces. As I said there is plenty of lip service. I didn’t say it stopped doctors determined to do abortions. Why do you suppose there’s an “older” doctor shortage? Maybe because they start out like the ladies you mention, very idealistic with the best intentions, and then burn out? Why do you suppose there are areas with no abortion available? Maybe because no one wants to do them?
Posted by: Mary at November 24, 2008 2:17 PM
-Well Mary, I’m sure that for colleagues who are PL, they may be viewed with disdain. But as I’m sure you know, those in the med profession speak very differently behind closed doors vs. in front of patients, and many of our conversations on abortion deal with the need to get more young doctors in the field. There’s also a bit of ‘eye rolling’ when it comes to the opposition to late term abortion, but that’s another issue.
As for why there are fewer older drs and less places for rural women to access abortion – you and I are going to come to different conclusions (surprise surprise). To you, this is evidence that doctors ‘see the light’ and understand how ‘wrong’ abortion is. To me, I see years and years of local legislation, protesting and organizing by the PL side in order to drive dr’s out of town and undermine clinics until they shut down. That is your point, anyway, and in my eyes you’re quite good at it.
Anwya, point is – as more younger drs start to see the result of the PL’s slow, steady decontruction of abortion access nationwide, they realize they can’t take the right for granted anymore and then you get more energized doctors ready to become more demonstrative in their support.
Anwya = anyway. Sorry :(
Danielle says”There’s also a bit of ‘eye rolling’ when it comes to the opposition to late term abortion, but that’s another issue. ”
Oh I know, how ignorant of all of those stupid hicks who don’t like the idea of a child being born too early and suffocating to death, or a child being torn apart limb by limb. Don’t even get me started about the mouth breathers who actually oppose sticking a pair of scissors into the skull of a breech baby! I mean, only the most idiotic neanderthal would possibly oppose these enlightened procedures!
Carla: They just need to be talked to, and listened to. Insulting them isn’t going to do anything. Telling them they’re evil isn’t going to do anything… because I honestly think a lot of them think what they’re doing is evil anyway. I mean, the story you told girls were crying their eyes out and no one was making eye contact. And it IS people like you that could help. Who could tell them about a PERSONAL story.. because I’m sorry, coming from ME it probably doesn’t mean too much. I mean, I’m a nineteen year old girl whose never been pregnant.. how much do I know about what it feels like to have an abortion..or to feel like I need one! But I honestly think if women KNEW how it was going to effect them later on, the number of abortions would go down DRASTICALLY. Don’t you think if you would’ve heard a story like yours from someone else.. then maybe it wouldn’t have happened? I know there are stories like yours everywhere on the internet.. but if you’re considering having an abortion.. what are the chances you want to read something like that. My guess is, they want to pretend it’s not a real baby inside of them.. even though it is. But if it was a REAL person, in REAL life telling them about it… well, that’s so much harder to ignore.
You can still be a voice, Josephine. Please don’t think you have to have an abortion that you regret to speak up. Students for Life?
I hear what you are saying and I am ready. Prepared to do battle, on the front lines. I will go. I will tell them.
I have a feeling that I will soon be out there in front of abortion clinics waiting to tell someone that they don’t have to go in. I will listen.
“Oh I know, how ignorant of all of those stupid hicks who don’t like the idea of a child being born too early and suffocating to death, or a child being torn apart limb by limb. Don’t even get me started about the mouth breathers who actually oppose sticking a pair of scissors into the skull of a breech baby! I mean, only the most idiotic neanderthal would possibly oppose these enlightened procedures!”
Posted by: lauren at November 24, 2008 2:47 PM
-Lauren, stop. No one is calling anyone a hick.
What they are frustrated with is how the details and background of a rare, rather personal medical procedure got hijacked and dragged around by special interest groups, TV, then distorted in the media and public discourse to the point where no one is even quite sure what it is or what it’s for, but the examples sound so heinous, they can’t possibly be medically necessary. Its eye rolling at the system, not individual people.
Danielle,
No I’m not talking about PL medical colleagues. I’ve even stressed the point that though supporting abortion very adamantly, some medical people will not in any way involve themselves in it, and this includes doctors.
Why is there a need to get more young doctors in the field? I thought they would be standing in line. The older docs haven’t been replaced because no one wants their job. Look at some of the dregs that have been running abortion clinics. Near us a clinic was closed when the abortionist was charged with cocaine abuse and wife beating. Finkel in Arizona was a sex offender and abused patients. Tiller and Co. in Kansas don’t have brains enough to call 911 when a patient collapses. No surprise there since he hires unqualified people off the street. Medical students at Wayne State had the local abortionist speak and were surprised to hear him admit he doesn’t always wash his hands between patients. Not exactly the kind of people in who’d footsteps you want to follow.
BTW this PC Medical student group didn’t seem anxious to have word get out about this guy’s visit. Why not? Can you imagine students not wanting it known that a respected heart surgeon or medical researcher was going to speak?
Doctors are driven out of town because of protests and legislation? Oh please Danielle. Have you seen the conditions dedicated doctors and medical staff work under in some of our big city hospitals? Just getting out of your car is risking your life. They deal with deranged people, criminals, knives, guns, physical and verbal assault, to name just a few. Yet the best people stay and work.
Medical people(including many of my co-workers) go on foreign missions that are dangerous, they serve in battlefield conditions that are dangerous. Yet dedicated abortion providers are going to leave because some people don’t like them? Maybe there’s just no dedicated abortion providers to begin with.
Dream on Danielle. There’s idealism, and then there’s the real world.
Oh, I do speak up Carla. I really do. I just think it’s a lot more meaningful for someone who has a real story. I mean, I can give facts.. I can tell girls there are real babies inside of them. In fact, a lot of times I think of the girl protesting outside of the abortion clinic in Juno. “Your baby has fingernails. FINGERNAILS.”
Pretty sure it was the testimony of Martin Haskell the abortionist that first opened my eyes to partial birth abortion. He testified in court. Opened the eyes of many in our nation as well. Gruesome.
BTW, Mary, I am just saying… when you said,
“Near us a clinic was closed when the abortionist was charged with cocaine abuse and wife beating. Finkel in Arizona was a sex offender and abused patients. Tiller and Co. in Kansas don’t have brains enough to call 911 when a patient collapses.”
Well, doctors that don’t perform abortions do those same kind of things. That’s not exclusive to doctors who perform abortions. I mean, that has nothing to do with being a doctor that performs abortions.. it has to do with being a kind of crappy person.
Josephine,
I just watched Juno again this past weekend!! :)
Danielle,
How do those in the medical field deal with what they know to be true about fetal development? I mean they had to study it am I right? They know exactly what they are killing but I wonder if they stick to the “helping women” story.
Danielle,
The majority of late term abortions are done on healthy mothers with healthy fetuses. Can you name one medical condition for which a partial birth abortion would be necessary?
Josephine,
Sadly that is very true. However women who visit abortion clinics are in a very compromised situation and sexual predatory abortionists are well aware of this.
The woman is fearful, she doesn’t want anyone to know she’s pregnant, much less having an abortion, and likely wants to get in there and out as fast as she can. She’s desperate to protect her privacy and likely want to get the experience behind her as fast as she can.
The perfect mark.
If your doctor or dentist behaves inappropriately, I’m certain you wouldn’t think twice about reporting him/her. For the woman desperate to protect her privacy, it may be another matter.
Danielle, how are late term abortions medically necessary? Except where there is a negative prenatal diagnosis, which has nothing to do with the life or the health of the mother. I’m serious because I have two sisters that both developed life threatening health issues late in their pregnancies. In both cases delivery of the baby and placenta was the only “cure”. One C section, one labor induction. I’m just wondering why abortion (terminating the pregnancy) would be any different? Especially if eyes are rolling. I mean, why does the fetus have to be harmed at all? Why not just remove the pregnancy and if the baby can live – that’s wonderful! And if not, we saved mother without butchering baby….
“Dream on Danielle. There’s idealism, and then there’s the real world.”
Posted by: Mary at November 24, 2008 3:14 PM
-And to quote my previous post:
“As for why there are fewer older drs and less places for rural women to access abortion – you and I are going to come to different conclusions (surprise surprise).”
Danielle,
You’re not addressing my point. Why do truly dedicated medical personnel risk their safety and lives to care for their patients yet abortion providers leave because some people don’t like them? Maybe because there weren’t any dedicated abortion providers to begin with.
“Can you name one medical condition for which a partial birth abortion would be necessary?”
More than one person asked this before so I’ll repeat: No. I’m not a doctor, not a medical expert and I won’t waste time Googling the subject to death.
I know its a medical produre, obviously. I really don’t understand the point of the question. If the answer from the medical profession was, ‘no, there’s no reason to do this’ then…why exactly does it exist? Because doctors enjoy pulling fetuses out of women’s bodies to stab them in the neck? Is that seriously your point?
There’s LOTS of things in this world that I don’t understand the minuate of, yet, that doesn’t discount it. I mean, I may have ideas on improving airplane engines as a layperson, but that doesn’t mean I’m educated enough to know the intracacies (sp) of what I’m talking about.
Of course, that doesn’t stop any of us from forming an opinion on oh, everything. What I know is that it’s a medical procedure that is rare, difficult and personal and sad. Again, many times (to my knowledge), late term abortions are performed in spite of a woman or couple wanting their baby. Its the absolute WORST time for the government to dictate to you or your family. I hope I never would be in that position and wish the same for everyone else.
Danielle,
It was developed as a method of late term abortion to insure the arrival of a dead baby. Living survivors were a nuisance.
There are far more safe and humane methods for handling a mid or late term pregnancy complication that may necessitate a premature delivery and they can be done in a hospital safely and legally.
There’s no need for a woman to fly to Tiller’s clinic where people hired off the street supervise “care”.
There is no need for the gov’t to say or do anything. Pregnant woman have always been able to legally receive whatever care is necessary to preserve their lives and health, and that includes abortion.
You’re not addressing my point. Why do truly dedicated medical personnel risk their safety and lives to care for their patients yet abortion providers leave because some people don’t like them? Maybe because there weren’t any dedicated abortion providers to begin with.
Posted by: Mary at November 24, 2008 3:34 PM
-I did address your point. I explained to you why I thought there was a shortage of abortion providers, but you didn’t like my answer.
There are also many truly dedicated medical personnel risk their safety and lives to care for their patients, and they also happen to perform abortions. In fact for some, performing abortions IS risking their safety and lives, BECAUSE they care for their patients.
And, physician harrasment goes a lot deeper than ‘people don’t like them’. Walking about with a bulleye on your back is lot. So is having your family followed around town. So are threatening phones calls to your home and office. As is a countless stream of protesters, malpractice premiums and a steady stream of lawsuits filed on behalf PL groups, waiting for any opportunity to harass. This is the type of campaign I’m referring to, not church groups singing in a parking lot. Let’s not pretend this isn’t the point: chip away little by little, consistently.
As for whether these doctors go out of business, I think that depends on age. If they’re old enough they might retire – or young enough, move to another location. That’s how women are left without abortion resources. Fortunately there are doctors who sit in the ring of fire and keep fighting. Otherwise, you need more, new doctors – and that is the position of the doctors I referred to.
“It was developed as a method of late term abortion to insure the arrival of a dead baby. Living survivors were a nuisance.”
-Wait. You honestly think a doctor thought up late term abortions because they found babies to be a nuisance? Because they just…don’t like kids? Seriously?
“There are far more safe and humane methods for handling a mid or late term pregnancy complication that may necessitate a premature delivery and they can be done in a hospital safely and legally.”
-Im sure that there are. LTA was for the times there was not. Because you and I are not doctors, we are not privy to the medical cases when it is necessary – and rightly so.
“There is no need for the gov’t to say or do anything.”
-EXACTLY, Mary – this is my point. The goverment DID step in and legislated a medical procedure. If they had stayed out of it, we wouldn’t be having this argument.
“Danielle,
How do those in the medical field deal with what they know to be true about fetal development? I mean they had to study it am I right? They know exactly what they are killing but I wonder if they stick to the “helping women” story.”
Posted by: Carla at November 24, 2008 3:18 PM
-Well, they understand fetal development and they also understand abortion as a legal medical procedure…they’re not mutually exclusive.
-Wait. You honestly think a doctor thought up late term abortions because they found babies to be a nuisance? Because they just…don’t like kids? Seriously? ”
NO, but there does seem to be evidence that special needs babies are perhaps not worthy of a chance..
-Well, they understand fetal development and they also understand abortion as a legal medical procedure…they’re not mutually exclusive.
Abortion is the termination of the pregnancy but it doesn’t have to include the destruction of a fetus. There is testimony from doctors that PBA was not needed, ever, to save the life or the health of the mother. You don’t have to be a doctor to be able to tell it’s not necessary just watch Discovery Health.
Danielle says “What they are frustrated with is how the details and background of a rare, rather personal medical procedure got hijacked and dragged around by special interest groups, TV, then distorted in the media and public discourse to the point where no one is even quite sure what it is or what it’s for, but the examples sound so heinous, they can’t possibly be medically necessary. Its eye rolling at the system, not individual people. ”
Danielle, I don’t consider something that happens at least 30 times a day to be “rare”. Also, I don’t particularly care how “personal” the decision to kill your child is, it’s still atrocious.
The reason these abortions occur is not for the health of the mother, but rather because the child is not “acceptable.” The dirty truth of late term abortion is that it is a eugenic movement. Of course, it’s easier to roll eyes and pretend that the entire thing is perfectly acceptable. I mean, it’s only those “defective” children being killed.
Sorry, 1st and third paragraph of my 4:25 are from Danielle. I guess I don’t know what I’m doing yet.
Danielle,
PBA is an abortion procedure, not a medical one. There is no medical justification for it. That’s what I’m saying, a woman can get the help she needs legally and safely in a hospital.
Danielle 3:53PM
I don’t consider this as bad as facing down dangerous people, I know medical personnel who have been stalked and threatened, guns, knives, drug crazed lunatics, gangs, people that will kill you as soon as look at you, etc.
And yes Danielle, I have faced some of these situations where I have worked. People continued to do their jobs, myself included.
“PBA is an abortion procedure, not a medical one. There is no medical justification for it. That’s what I’m saying, a woman can get the help she needs legally and safely in a hospital.”
Posted by: Mary at November 24, 2008 5:24 PM
-Abortion procedures are medical procedures. And, late term abortions were performed in hospitals, not just clinics.
“I don’t consider this as bad as facing down dangerous people, I know medical personnel who have been stalked and threatened, guns, knives, drug crazed lunatics, gangs, people that will kill you as soon as look at you, etc.”
Posted by: Mary at November 24, 2008 5:29 PM
Mary, all medical professionals put themselves in front of danger on a daily basis, and do it because they believe in what they do. That is not the debate.
The same issues face doctors who perform abortions, along with targeted harassment. Its one thing to have to deal with a violent, combative patient who is treated and then discharged – its another to have a personal campaign of harassment that trails your life, work and home, which is the case for some of these professionals.
But, you know this already. We all do. We’re just arguing to argue at this point.
Danielle,
PBA was invented by late term abortionist Dr.James McMahon. The ban on this procedure was supported by the American Medical Association.
Its a method of abortion, not a recognized medical procedure.
What I’m saying Danielle is that dedicated medical people face dangers, on that we agree. Abortion providers don’t face anything worse than other medical providers who remain devoted to their work and patients.
Obviously harassment did nothing to stop the drug addicts and sex offenders clinics hired on, or the likes of Tiller.
Mary,
“PBA was invented by late term abortionist Dr.James McMahon.”
I thought it was Martin Haskell?
Pro Abortion Med Student
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08112410.html
Bobby B.
According to NRLC the developer was McMahon. Haskell also performed a few thousand and wrote a book describing the procedure.
Mmmm, that may have been where I was confused. Good to know. Thanks, Mary.
Carla,
An excellent article, thank you. NARAL is still whining about the nation’s D- grade on reproductive rights. That’s very encouraging anyway.
You are welcome, Mary.
I am so glad you are here. Your comments are always articulate and I enjoy reading about your career in the medical field.
Carla,
Thank you for the kind words.
This still cracks me up. He’s holding a copy of “Hot Babes” magazine….gotta love it.
Carla @ 8:39 PM,
Wow, what a link.
Pro-Abortion Med Student Shrinks away from Practice after “Disturbingly Brutal” Procedure
This is the most disturbing part.
She later discussed with her mother how the brutality of the abortion procedure affected her, noting particularly the stretching of the vagina.
“It’s a lot more invasive than I thought,” she said, recalling her earlier abortion “practice” involving the removal of the insides of a papaya. “A papaya doesn’t bleed and scream.”
Thank God she changed her mind about her prospective career. I pray she will change her mind as an advocate.
FYI,
Jill has a new post on the above mentioned story.