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This week many political cartoonists lampooned MSM for its election coverage bias. The following by Eric Allie epitomizes everything over the long haul…
Nov.09, 2008 5:35 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
That about sums it up.
BTW, Jill, wouldn’t you say the best way to defeat FOCA would be a filibuster? Just have some decent, honest Senator who isn’t in thrall to the abortion lobby read aloud from Lime 5 until those who are in thrall decide to fall back and regroup.
Very very true – isn’t it.
Blind hypocrisy on a major scale.
Can we please replace the MSM with a whole new media network?
“Why aren’t all these hip cool liberal progressive feminists who effectively informed every woman who chose not to support Obama that we were not entitled to call ourselves feminists….” TexasDarling
Is he now divided from women in his appointments?
so it ain’t so.
He is insulting the feministas.
this is sooo true.
I saw a story yesterday that made me think of this and I would LOVE to see a satire on it.
Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for dressing in style and of course, the witch hunt began as to who paid for her clothes and the cost etc.
Michelle O. is now being touted as a First Lady with style. Of course, we don’t care WHERE she got her clothes from or WHO paid for them. She’s liberal, she’s a liberated woman with her requisite 2.1 “perfect” kids and she’s a style icon.
The whole thing reeks of hypocrisy.
Maybe prolifers should start thinking twice about buying newspapers.
Ladies, ladies ladies. Michelle Obama. she is now an open target. Since filthy mouth Obama attacked Nancy Reagan about seances which are not true and we know it, I will share truth about Michelle.
She is a lawyer. she was given a gov Hospital job At U of chicago. She was paid something like 140 grand a year and had no experience other that her biology of female body parts and 40 years experience living with dark skin. This is the School where Ayers teaches on the non hospital side. Their kids go to a private school there. Obama porked some money in the direction of the hospital and Michell had her pay rapidly bumped to 300,000 per year. Remember she is not any blacker and is no mre female than before the raise. It is just a legal kickback. Buy a lot of clothes on her token job. She was also fre of charge put on the board so there are directors fees. Nothing wrong with this because we get college football players 30,ooo dollar jobs at car dealers working part time to help them earn their way in school. She is resigning to move. Not that she would have to. We know that her repalcement can walk on water and won’t get 150,000 a year.
We can’t say anything about Michelle because minorities are in a ophase called racial retribution. It is an arm of black liberation theology and means we need to make up for slavery by using dollars.
If you want some other ties that are behind this mess, I have a lot of them. This is being reported in european media and is not ok for american papers.
Some liberals will admit to getting biased coverage, but in true elitist style will say the reason is because they are right. Has anyone asked the question “What if Barack Obama was a Republican?”. Would students at Howard be crying for him? I’m not sayin’ I’m just sayin’. I think it is historic no matter the circumstance however I think it has a lot to do with whose side you’re on to begin with.
Obama’s election would have been a really honorable and historic moment for America and for it’s black population. However, that fact that he is a rabid proabort will go down in history as a major mark against him – maybe not just now but to a future generation who will recognize abortion for what it was and will view it in the same light as the holocaust and as slavery.
This should run chills down the spines of every pro-lifer:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/08/AR2008110801856.html
The madness begins with the destruction to follow.
For all of you so-called Christians who voted for Obama, I hope you realize that the blood of every single child that is killed as a result of your vote, will be on your head.
Obama himself has signaled, for example, that he intends to reverse Bush’s controversial limit on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, a decision that scientists say has restrained research into some of the most promising avenues for defeating a wide array of diseases, such as Parkinson’s.
The new president is also expected to lift a so-called global gag rule barring international family planning groups that receive U.S. aid from counseling women about the availability of abortion, even in countries where the procedure is legal, said Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America. When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, he rescinded the Reagan-era regulation, known as the Mexico City policy, but Bush reimposed it.
First, Obama will undo ALL of the pro-life gains we made under Bush. And for those of you who have accused Bush of doing nothing for the pro-life movement, you will soon see the full fury and damage of what a Democratic administration will do.
As the economy continues to tank, the government will have justification to nationalize just about every major industry. As people begin to realize that we have been taken over by Marxists/Lenists people will take to rioting in the streets, Obama will be foreced to institute marshall law which will give him the political ammunition to start confiscating people’s guns.
Hate crime legislation will pass that homosexual will use to silence if not destroy the church.
When white people realize that they made a huge mistake voting for Obama, race relations between whites and blacks will increase and the ’60’s tension between the races will return to record levels.
The nation of Islam will then be justified in protecting their black brothers and the carnage will be immense.
All this, while the church was silent, and became drunk on tax exemption money. You will all be judged harshly for your whoredom.
This is the change you all voted for and this is the change you will get.
When the truth is exchanged for a lie, destruction always results.
unfortunately, some of what you say will happen is true. I wish Americans would NOT be drawn into lies from the researchers who claim that ESCR will cure anything. ESCR has cured NOTHING.
However, stem cells from Umbilical cord blood has been helping patients in China. Scientists here have poo-poohed this saying its not real. Several patients with Optic Nerve Hypoplasia have seen improvements in their sight.
And a man that supports Adult Stem Cell research was elected to the University of Nebraska Board of Regents, beating a man who claimed that ESCR would have the power to cure his niece with diabetes in an ad on television.
We can only hope the Economy and National Security are the focuses of the start of the President Elect’s term and there won’t be a chance for us to be FORCED against our WILL to pay for unproven resaerch or for FORCED abortions.
The US should NOT give any $$$ to any organization that forces abortions, like they do in China.
oh my. let the freak out begin.
Hisman 10:01am,
Not to fear. Maybe he will have his “civilian security force” to keep us all in line and hopefully he won’t bankrupt the coal industry too soon.
xppc, are you implying every African American in a position of power achieved that just because of their skin color? Do you assume that all African Americans are lazy, only fit for menial jobs like a cook or maid, and the only reason they get well paying jobs is because people feel sorry for them? Do you think Michelle graduated from Princeton and Harvard Law School solely on her skin color?
What about Palin? Oh yeah she worked so much harder then Michelle going to Hawaii Pacific College for one semester then transferring to North Idaho community college for two semesters as a general studies major until she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters. She did manage during this time to win the Miss Weasel Pageant (looks like she’s better at looking good and waving then sitting down and learning). Next she spends another term at Matanuska-Susitna community college before spending three semesters at the University of Idaho completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism.
Yeah Palin is a whole world harder working then Michelle Obama.
I hear Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm, who has driven the state of Michigan into the ground, will be on Obama’s transitional economic advisory team! This is like making Rahm Emmanuel the manners and ettiquette advisor.
According to one local paper the governor’s qualifications are charisma, good public speaking, and she’s outgoing. Exactly the traits we all look for in an economic advisor.
Sounds more like qualifications to be Miss America.
Jess,
I would rather have the first 300 names in the telephone book run the U.S government before the Havard faculty.
(quote: William f.Buckley)
Mary,
You do realize that the economic crisis hit the automobile industry very hard. Yes, a large part of it is that American car manufacturers refused to build more fuel efficient cars – and gas rose to $4/gallon. And jobs/factories were outsourced. Since Michigan industry is largely auto based, having a governor who is dealing with the fallout to the state and its residents from an industrial base being destroyed (by some things outside her control) seems to me to be a voice you would want on your transition team, rather than from governors of states that may have been less affected saying – “what econonmic crisis?”
Jasper:
And Buckley’s own, conservative and very talented, son supported Obama. And a few conservatives have pointed out that his dad would have been proud.
Generalizing about Harvard grads is as biased as saying that all Alaskans are stupid and intellectually incurious based on Palin’s performance.
http://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/wo/story/956815.html
my pastor just gave a great homily against Obama today. What a surprise this was!
And we are in Canada! He mentioned that America now has a president that not only vehemently supports abortion but also believes that if a baby survives an abortion (here he began to yell) that same baby should be killed. It was awesome. AWESOME. This was in the context of how the first 300 years the Catholic Church was persecuted becuase of what it taught and what it’s believers lived. It seems the Catholic Bishops are doing everything they can to avoid such persecution but in the end we will be persecuted anyway. We all have to make a choice -either live for Christ or for Satan.
Phylo,
I’m originally from Michigan, my family lives there now. When I mentioned Obama’s brilliant choice to my very elderly mother she roared with laughter.
Why do you suppose the newspaper could only name charisma, public speaking,and outgoing as her “qualifications” to be an economic advisor? That in itself speaks volumes. I’ll tell you why. Its because the woman is totally inept. Listen to Michigan residents like my mother who roar with laughter. That says it all.
The governor’s brilliant response to an economic downturn has been the typical liberal response, raise taxes. Not surprisingly this has only deepened what was an ongoing one state recession. So how will she address this problem? She’s talking of raising taxes again. How interesting that another Democrat ad in Michigan blamed illegal immigration for the loss of 400,000 jobs in the state. Try blaming your governor idiot.
According to some Michigan residents I have spoken to the environment is not business friendly and businesses move elsewhere because of it. This is what will happen when Obama goes after corporations with higher taxes. They’ll go elsewhere.
Maybe the residents of Michigan should have followed Obama’s advise to keep their tires inflated and get tuneups and they wouldn’t have been so hard hit by gas prices.
“my pastor just gave a great homily against Obama today. What a surprise this was!”
Patricia,
A nice breath of fresh air.
Patricia,
I’m speechless. You mean the entire world is not experiencing an ongoing Obasm?
Jasper: it was incredible. And totally unexpected. It is the Feast of the Dedication of St. John Lateran Basilica. So he was mentioning how this was the first Basilica dedicated and why it took so long. (persecutions etc)
And this led into Obama! Sweet. Totally sweet!
Mary: that is too funny!
Well our priest also mentioned that Obama is NOT the Messiah!
After church I heard on that radio that right now Obama is THE person to fix the economic problems but in a year – after the recession (who are these people kidding) he may not be the best person. Say What?
Patricia 1:00PM
Your priest blasphemes!!
Say what(?) indeed!
I admire so mcuh what you are doing this is trajic, so many ppl dont want to hear about this and so many just dont know its going on, ive blogged this issue and half the ppl didnt believe that live birth abortions actually happened, ppl need to know about this.
Jess at November 9, 2008 11:20 AM
You continue to show how little you know of the real world. Not everyone can easily afford college. Ive attended community college myself.
I love how you spew insults left and right about the “stupid” people who dont go to Harvard and Yale. Just so you know, Harvard and Yale are vastly overrated.
It just goes to show the elitism of the left. Either you are an elite because you go to Harvard or Yale, or you are superior through association by supporting the elite.
Keep in mind that Bush attended both Yale and Harvard.
Oliver I wasn’t bashing community college. And yeah, obviously Palin was struggling financially (sarcasm) if she had to go all the way to Hawaii to go to school. She just couldn’t make up her mind. If she didn’t know what she wanted to do and she was struggling financially she should have picked a community college in Alaska but no. She just wanted to have fun and take the easy way out. When things got tough what did she do? Did she stay and work things out? No, she bailed.
Dear Tiff,
Sorry. Anything that starts out with F*** Sarah Palin isn’t worth the 3 seconds to link to it.
You are welcome to start a serious discussion. Thanks.
Thanks for the warning Carla. I hope that you are not upset at me for my post on another thread. I truly have a great deal of respect for you and admire the courage you’ve shown in telling your story and helping the unborn.
Hi Jess.
I went to 3 different colleges. So? It is over and done. Sarah Palin is heading back to Alaska. Can we please move on from the Palin bashing???
I know a whole lot more about the real world then the Republicans on here who assume anyone will obviously have enough money for complete health insurance and be able to afford to raise as many children as they want if they just work hard. “So what if your kid needs surgery and it costs $200,000? Just sell your tv and you’ll be fine.”
If two people work minimum wage 8 hours a day every day for a year they will only make $38,252. Of course that would be more then enough to support nine kids with, even if one of them has health problems because every job in America offers complete health insurance for free right? And this is assuming the wife doesn’t get pregnant and can’t work for awhile. Also assuming all the kids are old enough to go to school and care for themselves because if you don’t know child care costs money, day care’s don’t watch your children for free unless you get money for it from the government, by which time it won’t matter as your kids will already be in their teens.
Hey Patricia,
No problem. I haven’t had time to respond to your email. I was speaking at a university in my state with Operation Outcry.
I get pretty sensitive to anything said about those that have had abortions. Even those that don’t regret them.
We’re good. :)
So Carla is the Michelle bashing alright? People here seem to think if you’re African American your life is a free ride. At least Michelle had direction.
My parents feel, and I agree, when the going gets tough you don’t turn and run, you stay and work even harder.
Crystal it’s spelt “tragic” not “trajic.”
I suppose I should finally be honest about a few things (though I’m sure some of you figured some of this stuff out):
1) I was never really “pro-life”. I lied. Still a “pro-abort”, probably always will be one.
2) I didn’t vote for Obama- wanted to, but didn’t because I chose to write in Stephen Colbert so that no matter who was elected- if he sucked I could say, “Heh- I didn’t vote for him!” Though I did want Obama to win mostly just to see your heads explode. You see- I’m vindictive and immature like that.
Cheers!
Oh, and Bethany? Could you please remove my photograph from the “Who We Are” website? Thanks.
“My parents feel, and I agree, when the going gets tough you don’t turn and run, you stay and work even harder. ”
Like Sarah Palin, glad to see you’re following her lead Jess.
What’s wrong with you Jasper? She kept switching schools like Paris Hilton switches dogs.
I love you Rae you’re awesome!!!!
Sweet Carla: thanks. You’ve been on my mind. And always in my prayers. God bless :-D
1) I was never really “pro-life”. I lied. Still a “pro-abort”, probably always will be one.
Sad and too bad. May you find the truth eventually.
Ok Jasper how many men have I slept with? Do you know or are you just making false assumptions based on the fact that I’m pro-choice? Ok tell me how many men I’ve slept with.
And Rae’s not pro-life. How many men has she slept with?
“Ok Jasper how many men have I slept with? Do you know or are you just making false assumptions based on the fact that I’m pro-choice? Ok tell me how many men I’ve slept with. ”
It was a joke Jess. Stop pickin on my next President-Sarah Palin.
Jasper I want a man, a husband, who will be a good father. Someone who will provide well for my children, not just financially but be there to take them camping and help them with homework, someone they can be really proud of. My father is such a good Dad, I wouldn’t want to deny my kids that.
Nah Patricia you’re a strong woman you’re better off without him.
that’s good Jess.
Rae, I don’t believe you.
I don’t believe you either, Rae. I don’t think you are a pro-abortionist- you have too much heart.
I’m sorry if someone made you angry.
I have taken your picture off the page, but if you ever want it back up, let me know. (by the way, I wasn’t able to do it like I normally would, since I don’t have my regular software since the computer crashed, but I got the job done.)
was Rae a plant?
Thank you Jess for the nice shot. But you don’t know the circumstances and you are spreading innuendo and false information about me on the blog. Please stop.
Deleted, Jess.
Sorry, Patricia.
I was just mad that Jasper spreading innuendo and false information about me. Why wasn’t Jaspers post deleted?
Thank you Bethany.
And no, I’m not lying (this time). I was also not conceived via IVF. I was conceived the “normal” way, however my parents’ fertility troubles are true. I was conceived shortly after my mom gave up fertility treatments and my parents had given up having their own kids and were in the process of looking to adopt instead. I was just sooooo tired of people saying IVF is an abomination with no care (so it seemed to me) about people who did use IVF to conceive or people who were conceived via IVF.
I mean really- 21 years ago IVF was very expensive and very rare…think about it.
Geez, and you all act sooo sad that MK left, and you wonder why.
I don’t.
I’ve really been making a conscious effort to stay away from here, cause you guys are just so angry and mean all the time. It’s damn near impossible to have any sort of discussion on here.
thanks Carla. That was a shot out of the blue from Jess, for I don’t know what?
Well Elizabeth this is pretty controversial stuff we discuss.
Lol you delete my comment? Why?
And Jess that means we can’t ACTUALLY discuss it? I see no discussion going on..just underhanded barbs and anger. But if that’s how you guys want to get down around here, go right ahead.
Patricia Jasper was implying that I jump from sex partner to sex partner, which is untrue (even though if it wasn’t is it really any of your business?), and so I was just pointing out that nothing is definite in life, even if you abstain from sex till marriage doesn’t mean that everything will work out perfectly for the rest of your lives. My Mom wasn’t a virgin when she married my Dad but they’ve been happily married for over 25 years.
I would still like a reason for the deletion of my comment.
Fine Elizabeth you pick a topic and I’ll discuss it with you, no barbs, no mudslinging : )
reality, I didn’t know you have a sense of humor. Do you realize the second cartoon is a jab at Obama? He had ripped up the “flawed” Constitution before he was elected, but now he has to keep up appearances so he’s trying to put it back together. Did anyone else see it that way?
Lol Jess, we can discuss anything you want on facebook or on the 2secondsfaster site where MK now is. That’s where I’ll be. I’m sort of over this place and it’s drama.
EVERYONE should turn on MTV’s TrueLife to watch two young women struggling to support their families. Informative stuff. Also this is why I’m in love with Violent Acres:
“First, I asked for a PAPER ballot, NOT electronic. Then, I went over to the special table for PAPER voters and filled in the little circle labeled ‘write in candidate.’ I wrote in Ron Paul for President and Dennis Kucinich for Vice President. I also wrote ‘I’m your biggest fan!’ in the margin, sealed my envelope, and moon walked out of there. Does my dream team have a shot in hell at winning? Of course not. Will I be able to sleep tonight? Absolutely.”
Will do Elizabeth.
I was just sooooo tired of people saying IVF is an abomination with no care (so it seemed to me) about people who did use IVF to conceive or people who were conceived via IVF.
IVF is not morally licit. The reason is because of the manner in which the entire procedure is conducted. There are significant risks to the health of the women and the children conceived in this manner. It also a terrible evil in the way that so many unborn persons are created and then left frozen, either slowly dying or to be used a “extra research material”.
I do not think there is one person on this blog who would believe for a moment that a person created via IVF is an abomination or is some how less a person or evil.
I think it goes along the lines that some of us have been saying for other medical “treatments”: you cannot use a method that is evil to attain a good.
Ah you say that Patricia but where is Zeke?
I’m disappointed. :-(
I always thought you were the one of the most honest people I had ever met, Rae.
Patricia, I’m sorry.
why are you apologizing Bethany? And the same to Carla?
For the fact that people keep bringing that up and twisting it.
Janet, 3:08 – I did!
Patricia 3:15, that is exactly how I feel about IVF.
@Bethany: That’s fine that you feel that way. I was wrong to lie.
thanks Bethany. I have to have you take a look at Patrice’s latest pic. She is drawing her younger sister Becca. The picture is really good. She seems to have the ability to be able to draw the person and make it look like them. The essence of the person is there. I’m not bragging only making an observation. Because many people who draw portraits do a very good job but the essence of the person is missing.
I’ve really been making a conscious effort to stay away from here, cause you guys are just so angry and mean all the time. It’s damn near impossible to have any sort of discussion on here.
Elizabeth, what do you see that is so terrible? I don’t see anything out of the usual. You sound angry. Why? Who are you speaking to?
I deleted Elizabeth’s comments but reposted them.
It seems she is just more interested in smearing Jill’s site lately…
Patricia, that is wonderful to hear! Do you have any of her pictures posted on facebook? Or could you email them?
I think it will be up on her site soon. When she’s finished. I will let you know.
Rae, I want to respond with something positive, I just don’t know what to say.
Always remember I’m here for you if you ever need me.
Patricia, I’m looking forward to it. :)
Patricia friend me on facebook please!
Link to Time Magazine web site article by MICHAEL KINSLEY about the o’bama (pbuh) plan for National Service
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1657256_1657317_1658698,00.html?iid=sphere-inline-bottom
Kinsley contrasts the contradictory terms ‘universal’ and ‘volunteer’ used to describe the o’bama (pbuh) ‘community service’ plan.
Well at least the o’bama (pbuh) is doing something he with which he has some experience, community organizing.
The o’bama (pbuh) original proposed plan REQUIRED your sons/daughters and grandmother/grandfather to volunteer for national service.
The o’bama (pbuh) has yet to clarify what he meant during his July “Call to Service” speech in Colorado Springs, in which he insisted the U.S. “cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set” and needs a “civilian national security force.”
“We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y
Maybe it will be called ‘America Chants o’bama Rules Now’ or as it more commonly known ACoRN.
Yes HE can. Yes HE can. Yes HE Can, Can!
Of course these could just be ‘throw away’ lines by the o’bama (pbuh) designed to tickle the ears of his devoted masses. Kind of like a preverted Pentecost where everyone hears whatever it is they want to hear in their own language.
yor bro ken
Conservatives have divisive dispute.
Liberals have robust debate.
yor bro ken
why would I do this Jess after what you’ve done here?
Apparently Hisman friend-ed me : / Because Patricia we probably wouldn’t argue nearly as much if we meet somewhere that wasn’t solely based on a subject we disagree on.
Jess: i don’t think so. Sorry. But it’s a matter of trust. IF you treat a person you don’t know badly, this is not a promising sign to base a friendship on. Nevertheless, I do enjoy discussing various issues on Jill’s site with you. :-D
Please, Jasper, do tell me where I’ve tried to “smear Jill’s site lately” other then that last comment. Even though I wouldn’t necessarily call that smearing, unless you call my opinion “smearing.” I am entitled to my opinion, no? I am entitled to SHARE my opinion? Then you are more than welcome to disagree wih my opinion in a mature fashion. The key word being here is: mature.
that second picture that reality posted was very scary. I read somewhere that Obama thinks the Constitution is flawed.
I wonder WHAT part he thinks is flawed?
Well Patricia then that would mean you treated Amanda and I badly because I remember you making some unfounded personal attacks against us regarding our relationships.
“Please, Jasper, do tell me where I’ve tried to “smear Jill’s site lately” other then that last comment. Even though I wouldn’t necessarily call that smearing, unless you call my opinion “smearing.” I am entitled to my opinion, no?”
Yes, I put your comments back up. We do more than just fight though….you make it seem as if grabbing each others throats….It’s not that bad.
no biggie.
Another news flash from Omamanation. Apparently a group in Kansas is attempting to have November 4 declared a national holiday.
Hail, Obama
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80584
What’s your point DeeL? Some people are really excited. Good for them. We won’t (and shouldn’t) get the national holiday, but who cares that they suggested it?
Better than renaming every public building in America after Reagan.
DeeL,
One more thing to argue over. :-( YIKES.
did you know DeeL, that April 8/08 was National Be Kind To Lawyers Day! :-P
another thing to argue about…..
Hal,
The messiah hasn’t even taken office yet. Neither has he been crucified nor resurrected, the ocean levels are stable, the planet is still in its regular orbit and to my knowlege no star has appeared in the heavens to commemorate his election. This is just more creepy worship of a guy who has done NOTHING yet, well, except purchase the White House with the help of his criminal friends (haha, kind of like his Hyde Park mansion). I take that back, he did manage to throw Wall Street into further panic, a scenario I suspect plays well into his desire to nationalize our economy.
For a guy who’s anti religious, you seem to be pretty on board with this crazy cult. It appears you’ve found a god you can believe in.
Tierney Temple Fairchild
Temple Fairchild is an education and management consultant in Charlottesville.
The Washington Post
I had a choice, and I chose life. Does that make me pro-choice or pro-life? Our political parties tell us we can’t have it both ways. If I am pro-choice, then I must be for abortion. If I am pro-life, I may be lauded for a heroic choice when in fact none existed.
Ten years ago, I made a decision to continue a pregnancy that would lead to a child born with Down syndrome. My husband and I spent two exhausting weeks poring over medical prognoses and developmental research, worrying about inevitable discrimination and divisive family expectations and listening to sometimes bias-laden advice. We filtered all this through candid discussions of whether individually and as a couple we could endure this new life God planned for us.
We chose Naia, our first child, after painfully honest exchanges and much prayer. Making that choice led us to grapple with the essence of what we believed, giving us strength to face new challenges. Without that choice, we might not have been as prepared as we were to bring Naia into our lives, to begin intervention when she was 3 weeks old, to work with therapists and educators to help Naia exceed expectations and thrive.
We opened our lives to the media four days after our decision, convinced that our experiences might help others be more prepared. Our story was told in the Boston Globe; on NBC’s “Dateline”; and on CNN, ABC and NPR; and was the subject of the book “Choosing Naia.” We (I especially) were painted with a heroic brush for bucking the trend of what 90 percent of others in our position do.
This particular issue of choice came up this year when it became known that our Republican vice presidential nominee chose to continue a pregnancy that led to a son being born with Down syndrome. Ten years after my own choice, I find it disheartening that termination statistics may remain the same, that so many potential mothers choose not to follow Sarah Palin’s example. Yet part of me is not surprised, not when my daughter’s Scholastic dictionary defines Down syndrome as “a genetic condition in which a person is born mentally retarded and with eyes that appear to slant, a broad skull and shorter fingers than normal.” That doesn’t describe Naia or anyone like her.
In choosing Naia, I turned my fears into focus, learning how to answer expressions of sympathy and convert my longing for a typical baby into determination to give my baby the best our circumstances could offer. Naia was born by emergency Caesarean section, and there were months of uncertainty about her survival. My husband and I confronted our fears, aware that, as one sermon foretold, “The miracle you ask for may not be the miracle you receive.”
In this economy, I must reflect on the circumstances that allowed us to make ordinary what some view as heroic. We were fortunate to have a health-care plan that covered Naia’s medical bills. We were fortunate to have the educational backgrounds necessary to read research and advocate inclusive education for Naia. We were fortunate to have the lessons of discrimination and perseverance from another choice some also label heroic, interracial marriage.
Now, I look at my budding 10-year-old, and I see her beauty, poise and humor, not her disability. What I have learned is that we are not exceptionally burdened. Naia has some novel developmental and social challenges. Nevertheless, we and others are often struck by how typical she is, integrating with peers, reading on grade level and riding horses. All choices may not have the same result, but it is crucial that we all have the opportunity to make our own decisions.
If it’s our choices that define us, choices that allow us to face down fears and lead us to our greatest achievements, what might come from taking those choices away?
Not long after we moved to Charlottesville, Virginia’s governor publicly apologized for the commonwealth’s role in forced sterilization of mentally handicapped people, a law not repealed in Virginia until 1974. When I see this historical marker, not a mile from my house, I am reminded that the Supreme Court’s 1927 decision in Buck v. Bell to uphold those sterilizations is a tragic example of what can happen when government legislates reproductive rights.
One day, I expect, we’ll talk to our children about choosing Naia. As a mother, I will explain why I exercised my right to choose. Will I relive for them the fears, however unfounded, that preyed on my conscience? Will I tell them of the relative who urged me to terminate lest I burden taxpayers with the costs of Naia’s welfare? Right now, I am certain only that I will tell them that with choice comes responsibility.
There will always be some who see choice as condoning abortion and those for whom there is no choice. Rather than view choice as a proxy for abortion, I see choice as defining opportunity.
I am a woman who benefits from the many who went before me and opened doors and minds; a woman who thinks, prays, mothers, works and writes, trying to live out our society’s most prized democratic ideals. I chose life, but I am thankful I had the choice.
Jess – stop messing with people and keep Rae the hamster away from your computer. She’s gotten into a very nasty mean streak lately and is beginning to think she’s human.
For a guy who’s anti religious, you seem to be pretty on board with this crazy cult. It appears you’ve found a god you can believe in.
Posted by: DeeL at November 9, 2008 7:55 PM
I’m not a member of any crazy cult yet. I am excited about our new President-elect, but not in a religious way. I’m very impressed, prepared to have my differences, and just so very happy we’re in the last months of the worst presidency in history.
Yes Janet and Patricia,
I was terribly worried this was going to end up a one issue board. ;)
Patricia,
My pastor spoke a little on the results today. Not much, but more than he did before the election, which by the way was extremely frustrating since he is our diocesan ethicist. Ugh!
Anyway, he commented that he belived America is a country that has no idea where it’s going and then he quoted from “Alice in Wonderland” saying, “If you don’t know where you’re going, then any road will get you there.”
I suspect we have fallen down the rabbit hole, up will be down, right will be left and that which is false will definitely be hailed as true. Let’s just hope the new king isn’t too quick with “Off with their heads!”, given Emanuel’s fascination with steak knives.
reality, I didn’t know you have a sense of humor. Do you realize the second cartoon is a jab at Obama? He had ripped up the “flawed” Constitution before he was elected, but now he has to keep up appearances so he’s trying to put it back together. Did anyone else see it that way?
Posted by: Janet at November 9, 2008 3:08 PM
Yeah, right. The ability to understand a perspective other than your own (or to use psycho speak) realize another paradigm than the predominant one is beyond you, Janet and Mary.
It was widely rumored – no confirmation – that Bush said something to the effect of the “Constitution is just another piece of paper,” Bush and Co. have also destroyed major protections in the Constitution such as the writ of habeus corpus.
Obviously, in light of this, Obama is now repairing the damage done to it by Bush.
Rae:
‘Clink!’
@Bethany: That’s fine that you feel that way. I was wrong to lie.
Posted by: Rae at November 9, 2008 3:48 PM
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You know with all Rae has said, I’ve kind of lost track myself, but seeing that there’s this huge database and I have the skills to blow your minds away with a few well placed lines of code – you have to ask just one question:
Rae – why?
Chris,
I don’t know Rae, but for some people (cough) it’s just because they can.
Phylosopher: Obviously, in light of this, Obama is now repairing the damage done to it by Bush.
Obama repairing the Constitution. Now that’s something we can laugh at.
“Why” what Chris?
Dee, then you apparently approve of the way Bush has shredded it. You don’t want it repaired.
Posted by: phylosopher at November 9, 2008 8:13 PM
‘Obviously, in light of this, Obama is now repairing the damage done to it by Bush.’
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You know after 9/11 I waited with some concern to see if Bush would suspend the constitution and declare marshall law.
The only immediate impact of Bush’s actions were that the skies were free of airplanes for a few days.
If there are any US citizens that might be considered political enemies of Bush, and lord knows there must be quite few considering his low approval rating, and they have been killed, tortured, imprisoned, audited by the IRS, they have not made it into the main stream media or even the alternative media.
That is curious to me. Even with all the government monitoring of all kinds of communications I do not recall a single story or political persecution by this administration.
You Abraham Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, and chased some government critic into Canada, so there is some precedent for draconian measures. We interred Japanese Americans, whose families had been here for generations. How many Arab-amercians have been interred?
How many more terrorist attacks have there been in the ‘homeland’?
Give the man credit for something. As stupid or incompetent or dishohest or evil as you accuse Bush of being, no more americans have been killed here in the usa.
It would seem to me that Bush made some hard choices, which may have resulted in the loss of political power for his party, even though they were not popular.
I do not excuse any other thing Bush may have done wrong. He did some things that really fried my grits but no matter who was president on 9/11 they would have made some decisions that angered someone.
yor bro ken
Chris what are you talking about?
Maureen, Obama has stated that he finds our constitution to be “insufficient” and he plans to appoint judges who “understand the needs of folks”. To pretend that he has any respect for our constitution is laughable at best.
Now that Bark Hussein is in power, will the congressional approval ratings reamain with pressure on the single digits?
next question is who is in charge of keeping a score sheet of his first 100 days in office. He has made some heavy duty promises. some promises contradict other promioses. i suspect he will thug thizzle his way around and do like he denied voating agsins BAIPA. He will twist his own previous gurantees.
xppc,
see the QoTD, he will follow through on his pro-abortion promises…
Hal: “I’m not a member of any crazy cult yet. I am excited about our new President-elect, but not in a religious way. I’m very impressed, prepared to have my differences, and just so very happy we’re in the last months of the worst presidency in history.”
Dude, Jimmy Carter’s been out of office for more than a quarter-century!
To a pro-abortion liberal, “following the Constitution” means supporting pro-abortion and liberal policies.
Note how the left hates and despises originalists judges like Clarence Thomas, who in all of their decisions always try their best to rule according to the text of the Constitution. They prefer activist judges who ignore the Constitution in order to force pro-abortion and liberal policies on the nation.
Barack Obama has already promised to abuse his power as president to force Americans to pay for embryonic stem cell research and foreign abortions. Yet Hal and his dishonest friends will praise this kind of anti-Constitutional action from Obama, because it’s a pro-abortion act. In the end, they will do anything, say anything, lie and cheat if it means that abortion laws be made more liberal. That’s all there is to it. That’s the only reason why they really like Obama, as well. Obviously they don’t like him because he’s a good leader. He’s going to the worst president since Hoover as he turns a recession into a depression.
kbhvac,
Bush started an illegal/unconstitutional war. That’s a pretty big deal. War should be declared by Congress, not the President. In that, Bush is responsible for 4,000 dead soldiers and trillions of extra dollars of national debt.
Josephine, save your left-wing BS for the Daily Kos.
You Democrats are un-freaking-believable. I honestly don’t know how you live with yourselves. If I were such an evil liar, I wouldn’t be able to stand it.
Question: Is it “unitive” of Obama to force pro-lifers to pay for embryonic stem cell research and foreign abortions? Is that “reaching out” to the other side? Hmm? What do our phoney-baloney “pro-life Democrats” have to say about that?
For years, liberals have insisted that Bush is an evil, evil man because he is supposedly forcing them to pay to kill people (in the war on terror). Therefore, by the same logic, Obama is an evil, evil man because he intends to force us to pay to kill people (with embryo research and abortion).
kbhvac,
Bush started an illegal/unconstitutional war. That’s a pretty big deal. War should be declared by Congress, not the President. In that, Bush is responsible for 4,000 dead soldiers and trillions of extra dollars of national debt.
Posted by: Josephine at November 9, 2008 9:23 PM
While I questioned the justification of the war in Iraq, Congress authorized the action along with the United Nations (which means nothing to me, except it was a formality to appease the world community. We do not need the approval of the world community to protect and defend our citizens or our interests.) Congress should have the right thing and declared war on Iraq, if they believed we were justified in invading a sovereign nation. So your beef is with the House of Reprsentatiives as much if not more than with Bush.
But the o’bama (pbuh) is a man of great wisdom, vision and action he will speak peace to the middle east and it will hear and obey like a petulent child crying out for discipline. The lion and will lie down with lamb, the desert shall bloom, universal health care will be suddenly available for the whole planet, the rise of the seas shall cease and the ecology and climate shall return to perfect equilibrium and the reign of the o’bama (pbuh) shall continue for a thousand years.
Break out the palm branches and the adult size depends.
yor bro ken
Kosovo
Viet Nam
Chinese Embassy in Belgrade
Monica Lewinsky
Two of Bill Clinton’s biggest hit jobs.
yor bro ken
Dude, Jimmy Carter’s been out of office for more than a quarter-century!
Good one, bmmg39!
Carter was still president the year I was born. Then we got a great President named Reagan.
Ken.
And we can now celebrate all that each year on November 4 :)
kbhvac: Chinese Embassy in Belgrade
Monica Lewinsky
Two of Bill Clinton’s biggest hit jobs.
He did say he was sorry for the embassy,though, as well as for the aspirin factory in Sudan.
Plenty of good potential holidays for Nov 4:
-Celebrate the beginning of America’s Second Great Depression
-Celebrate the election of the first Affirmative Action president, elected in spite of a complete lack of qualifications and sane positions on the issues, solely because he is black
-“Stupidity Day”, to commemorate an election in which a man who has never accomplished anything and never led anybody won against a man who has accomplished a great deal and been a leader for decades. Also to help emphasize the “stupid”, remember that the man who won the election was held up as a “moderate” and the loser held up as an “extremist”, when in reality, the exact opposite is true.
-Remembrance Day for Michael Crichton, great author who helped to expose the lie of global warming
‘When some one comes and slaps you in the face or slaps your wife in the face, how many times do you let him continue, even if he says, I’m so sorry, after each blow?’
What if he says, ‘I hate you because you do not think or believe as I do and I am not only justifed in killing you, I have a great reward awaiting me if I die in the process. Even if I kill other people who do think or believe like me.’
How do you reason with person?
How do you protect your family from that person?
Do send them copies of Blowing in the Wind and Imagine and telepathically send then thoughts of peace?
I can pray for them. I can find some way to bless in both a spiritual and a practical way, but what if they still want to harm me and my family?
What is your proposed solution?
What would the o’bama (pbuh)do?
yor bro ken
I loved Michael Crichton…I was very sad at his death.
And I don’t think State of Fear was erm…non-fiction, John. Like all of his books, he utilized a combination of fact AND fiction.
-Celebrate the beginning of America’s Second Great Depression
Nah, that started November 5th.
Buenos noches amigos.
yor bro ken
Dobra nots (sp?) and bon nuit, ken
HisMan: 10:01 AM
As the economy continues to tank, the government will have justification to nationalize justabout every major industry. As people begin to realize that we have been taken over by Marxists/Lenists people will take to rioting in the streets, Obama will be foreced to institute marshall law which will give him the political ammunition to start confiscating people’s guns.
Hate crime legislation will pass that homosexual will use to silence if not destroy the church.
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Ahahahaaaaaaa!
Dude, the full moon isn’t for four more days.
Uhm, John, DID Bush have the permission of Congress to go to war? NO. How did I lie? I don’t have a problem with conservatives, but you make them look terrible. Maybe you should stop calling democrats “phoney baloney pro-lifers” because you know what that kind of attitude is going to do? It’s going to make pro-life democrats vote AGAINST abortion bans.. good way to work towards your cause! Haven’t you ever heard the expression “you catch more flies with honey”? Maybe you should USE it.
By the way, if anyone thinks it’s funny to say “celebrate the beginning of the Second Great Depression” and make it sound like that somehow rests on Obama.. well, you’re aware he isn’t the President yet, correct? It’s still your beloved Bush. He didn’t get the country into the mess it’s in… for goodness sakes, you’re acting like he’s made horrible decisions as President, and he’s still three months away from the White House!
“President elect Obama is expected to lift a so-called global gag rule barring international family planning groups that receive U.S.aid from counseling women about the availability of abortion, even incountries where the procedure is legal (also known as the Mexico Citypolicy). While Obama said at a news conference last week that his toppriority would be to stimulate the economy and create jobs, hisadvisers say that focus will not delay key shifts in social andregulatory policies.”
Well good. Why shouldn’t women be advised about the availability of abortion?
John Lewandowski 10:25 PM
“Celebrate the election of the first Affirmative Action president, elected in spite of a complete lack of qualifications and sane positions on the issues, solely because he is black”
He’s more qualified than McCain, and more supportive of women’s rights. Being black was a factor, but his superiority over McCain more than made up for that.
…..
“Stupidity Day”, to commemorate an election in which a man who hasnever accomplished anything and never led anybody won against a man whohas accomplished a great deal and been a leader for decades. Also tohelp emphasize the “stupid”, remember that the man who won the electionwas held up as a “moderate” and the loser held up as an “extremist”,when in reality, the exact opposite is true.”
Cry me a river. The wackos supported McCain and he rightly lost. Praise God!!!!
Hillary, Richardson, or Biden could have whipped McCain. Even Edwards if not for his love child.
As much as I believe Obama is fantastic, the truth is McCain was also horrible during this campaign.
He sold his soul to the right wing, and got nothing in return.
No Hal,
The “moderates” wanted McCain who they thought could draw in Democrats and Independents with his ability to “reach across the aisle”. He even talked of having Al Gore as an environmental advisor. Gag me. Conservatives refused to vote for him for this reason. Even Rush made no secret of his lack of enthusiasm for McCain. Sarah Palin is the only one who stood for anything and gave that campaign any life and truly rallied the base.
John,
Exactly how is Obama more qualified than McCain?
Palin drove away the few moderates that McCain had.
McCain’s campaign had divisions, while Obama’s held together magnificently. There was a 60 Minutes segment on it tonight.
Many of McCain’s advisors have now come out against Palin.
The little pandering that McCain did to the rightwing fringe cost him too many votes among everybody else to win. Thus he lost.
McCain wasn’t committed enough to women’s rights, for one thing.
he intends to force us to pay to kill people (with embryo research and abortion).
John Lewandowski 9:32 PM
Hahaha. Embryo research helps save people.
Abortion is safer than childbirth so it does save some people too.
McCain was erratic in crisis.
John 11:08PM
Doesn’t answer my question. What were Obama’s qualifications and how were they superior to McCain’s?
John 11:06PM
Moderates are little more than Democrats in waiting. Sarah Palin unified the Republican base that McCain seemed determined to divide.
Yes his advisors turned against her, and Palin refuted their claims against her. They’re afraid she will lead a conservative backlash over the next four years. 69% of Republicans favor her.
60 Minutes? In case you haven’t noticed John the MSM has been slavish in its devotion to Obama.
In case you haven’t noticed John the MSM has been slavish in its devotion to Obama.
Posted by: Mary at November 9, 2008 11:14 PM
For very good reason.
Hal 11:13PM
Some examples please.
John 11:13PM
Some examples please as to how embryo research has saved lives.
Hal 11:15PM
So you don’t think our MSM should be completely objective but rather slavish in devotion to a particular candidate?
When did Palin refute any claims? I watched her on CNN the other day, when she said she won’t address any comments made about her.
Mary, I’m just having fun with you. It’s a great week, a great time to be an American, and I’m just goofing around. In reality, reporting the truth about Obama just makes it look like they’re devoted to him, cause he’s so great!!!
Hal,
I see. So a reporter who gushes about the tingle up his leg when Obama speaks only looks biased because Obama is so wonderful. Whatever Hal.
My parents had never voted democrat in their lives.
They both voted for Obama this year, and there was only one reason: Sarah Palin.
It was very difficult for my Dad, who is a vet and a big McCain fan. But for him, not only was he turned off by Palin herself, but more so by the idea that McCain so quickly became a puppet of the right wing machine and let the Rove cronies chose his VP for him – as all evidence shows McCain himself wanted Lieberman.
Hal – I disagree on McCain being erratic or incapable. I think what we witnessed was the sad selling-out of a great man to a party that allowed ego to edge out common sense. The outcome is pretty obvious.
@Mary: John McCain lost my vote and the vote of many of my peers by his asinine selection of Sarah Palin. Myself, and a lot of my friends LOVED that he was a moderate. McCain should have picked somebody like Gov. Tim Pawlenty. While I don’t agree with Pawlenty politically (too conservative for my tastes)- he’s very intelligent and would have been an excellent asset to John McCain’s campaign.
Shep, I agree McCain is capable of being president. And generally, perhaps, not erratic. His whole fake “suspending his campaign” thing sure made him look bad. I think it was the turning point, along with Palin.
Josephine 11:19PM,
Check Rush Limbaugh’s website for Friday. He covers the subject well.
Rae, same. I had at one point in the election process, imagined McCain as president with Obama or Hilary as VP – because a bipartisan ticket would have REALLY meant change. My relatives who are even more right-leaning than my parents voted for Bob Barr. They couldn’t stomach voting for McCain because of Palin, but wouldn’t vote Obama either. They didn’t vote Barr to be vindictive, but to send a message to the republican party that its currently direction is quite simply the WRONG direction.
Rae,
The selection of Sarah Palin is what got me charged up about what was otherwise a very lackluster and too much a “let’s be a nice guy” campaign. I guess we just disagree on this point Rae. Apparently 69% of Republicans liked Sarah. I remember rallies where people told McCain to fire up and show some passion. Go out there and fight.
As the McCain/Palin campaign went along, popularity went down like never before. Palin killed McCain’s campaign.
She was a “hail mary” attempt because McCain knew had needed something “extra” but in the end it made it worse.
“69% of Republicans liked Sarah”
That sounds possible. But that’s about 30% of the country, which of course isn’t enough. A huge number really thought she was a disaster.
@Amanda: I had thought that too and thought that that would be friggin’ AWESOME. Naive and never would happen- but awesome nevertheless. Wasn’t it back in the “day” when the VP would be the runner-up in the election?
@Mary: That’s fine. I’m just speaking from my experience and from talking to fellow moderates were were alienated by Sarah Palin (this includes my Republican father- he *despised* Sarah Palin but he was able to stomach it and vote McCain anyway hoping that McCain wouldn’t kick the bucket during his term).
“read aloud from Lime 5”
Christina November 9, 2008 6:58 AM
Lime 5 ends up actually being a good argument for legal abortion, the safer the better.
http://eileen.250x.com/Main/7_R_Eile/Lime5_Debunk.htm
John 11:33PM
McCain’s lackluster debate performances, his attempts at being a nice guy, and his lack of passion, so much so that his audience was begging to get out and fight is what hurt him. Not to mention a MSM media fawning over Obama.
I don’t know John, I still don’t believe John McCain wanted to chose her himself. I mean he had never even met her. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but I just have a feeling, and there are lots of insiders who have suggested he had been planning on Lieberman all along and it was a last minute 180.
kbhvac,
Bush started an illegal/unconstitutional war. That’s a pretty big deal. War should be declared by Congress, not the President. In that, Bush is responsible for 4,000 dead soldiers and trillions of extra dollars of national debt.
Posted by: Josephine at November 9, 2008 9:23 PM
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Um, maybe I’m just looking at something different here, but it’s a congressional roll call which is titled, “A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.” (??):
http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237
Bush is also responsible for getting rid of one of the worst dictators in recent memory who used chemical warfare on his own people. Hussein violated the UN agreements, and we were not the only ones who believed that our actions were necessary at the time. He was sentenced and executed by his OWN PEOPLE for his crimes against them.
The Iraqi people now have a chance at freedom. They can have their own elections, something we take for granted. They can choose their leaders…again, something we take for granted.
War isn’t pretty. War is awful. However, I am a free American today in part due to wars fought to defend the freedom of America. I hope that the Iraqi people will very soon have their freedom fully, just as we have ours.
Not to mention a MSM media fawning over Obama.
Posted by: Mary at November 9, 2008 11:41 PM
with good reason.
Shep 11:30PM
did you ever imagine Obama with a bipartisan ticket?
The selection of SarahPalin is what got me charged up about what was otherwise a verylackluster and too much a “let’s be a nice guy” campaign.
Posted by: Mary at November 9, 2008 11:31 PM
You weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway, though, were you?
Meanwhile, Palin drove people away from the McCain campaign.
John 11:33PM
McCain’s lackluster debate performances, his attempts at being a nice guy, and his lack of passion, so much so that his audience was begging to get out and fight is what hurt him. Not to mention a MSM media fawning over Obama.
@Mary: Why did McCain’s audience want him to go on the attack? I’ve noticed that when somebody goes on the attack and starts being more aggressive they tend to lose “brownie” points with voters because they get annoyed with the negativity.
That’s what happened in Minnesota’s Senate race. People HATED both Coleman AND Franken because they had such an obnoxiously negative, aggressive, attack ads.
Sorry for the double post everyone. My computer has a mind of its own at times!
Mary –
sure, I’d have been thrilled either way: McCain/Obama, or Obama/McCain.
The important thing to me was ending the Bush and crew influence of the religious right – and that was out the window with either McCain or Obama – so I’d have really been content regardless. It wasn’t until the selection of Palin that I had strong feelings one way or the other.
Rae, 11:45PM
They wanted him to stand for something, to show some passion. The phrase “going on the attack” is one I use to describe an audience that wanted McCain to get out there and stand for something, not try to be everyone’s friend.
I’m not sure what you meant to prove, but the war in Afghanistan began in October 2001 without Congressional approval..
Rae, the super negative attack campaign also cost Elizabeth Dole her seat this year.
John 11:44PM
No way. But I certainly wasn’t enthused about McCain. Palin fired up the Republican base and gave his doddering campaign some life.
@Mary: He did stand for things. Just not things that die-hard conservatives liked. And as far as I’m concerned, the stuff that die-hard conservatives like isn’t worth standing for (same goes for die-hard liberals for that matter…gotta be “fair”).
Rae,
What did McCain stand for that die-hard conservatives wouldn’t like?
Mary –
He is a strong supporter of stem cell research
He is strongly opposed to any type of federal marriage amendment
He backed an extremely liberal immigration policy proposal
He supported the bailout (corporate welfare)
And he has spoken on the record against the bullying of the Christian Right.
@Mary, I found this lovely little list from a conservative website:
“1. They say God put Republicans on earth to cut taxes. But John McCain was one of only two Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts.
2. McCain was the biggest supporter, and co-sponsor, of McCain-Feingold, the greatest assault on free speech in at least three decades.
3. McCain backs all kinds of anti-gun legislation.
4. McCain attempted to give terrorists at Gitmo various “rights.”
5. McCain supports various intrusive government regulations to stop “global warming.”
6. McCain insulted various Christian leaders during the 2000 campaign.
7. McCain called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth “dishonest and dishonorable” because they dared question what John Kerry had done in Vietnam.
8. McCain championed, sponsored, and repeatedly attempted to ram through a bill to amnesty 20 million illegal aliens, and import tens of millions of poor, low-skilled, under-educated, non-English-speaking Third Worlders.”
SOURCE: http://polipundit.com/
“7. McCain called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth “dishonest and dishonorable” because they dared question what John Kerry had done in Vietnam.”
Most veterans, including my father and two grandfathers, were DISGUSTED by the swiftboat campaign – even though all three of them hated John Kerry with a passion. Some things are just LOW. Go figure they attack McCain for sticking up for one of his fellow vets.
Mary –
He is a strong supporter of stem cell research
He is strongly opposed to any type of federal marriage amendment
He backed an extremely liberal immigration policy proposal
He supported the bailout (corporate welfare)
And he has spoken on the record against the bullying of the Christian Right.
Posted by: Shep at November 10, 2008 12:03 AM
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Shlep, you are absolutely wrong about John McCain. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
He is not a strong supporter of embryonic stem cell research. He was aproached by Mo Udall’s
(a Democrat) wife who asked John as a friend to support stem cell research because she thought it would cure her husband. As the loyal friend he was he supported it and ever since has retreated from it but has continued to pay a political price. At least John McCain had the guts to admit when life began. Your Schlep obfuscated to the cheers of pro-aborts when the genius said it was above his pay grade but then claim to be a Christian, could make decisions on who could live and who could die.
McCain thoguht it would be more effective for the states to deal with the marriage issue. And he was right on as indicated what happened in FL, AZ, and CA on Tuesday. You want to be married and gay, then go live in Massachusetts or Connecticut and don’t force all the rest of us to take your perversion.
As a Seantor from a border State he was well aware of the issues at hand. As an Arizonan he knew the plight of moms an dads that were legal but had kids that were born here. What, you wanted him to rip families apart? Then you would have called him a monster.
He supported tha bailout and was instrumental in getting it amended. Conservatives like John Shadegg supported it as well. The Democrats orchestrated this whole economic thing. Remember all the bad news that came pouring out of Paulson’s mouth almost every day? Don’t forget that Paulson and Bernake are Democrats and as far as I’m concerned are propagandists for the DNC. They could care less how this all hurt the little guy.
As far as the Christian Right goes, the only bullying I saw happen was that of Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakan, Fr. Phleger, ACORN and the Black Panters who intimidated voters.
You see Shlep, there’s no winning with Liberals because their positions are all based on lies and immorality and depravity.
The economy tanked McCain, plain and simple. And this was all orchestrated by the Democrats, the MSM and the Marxists in Washington and it started 3 years ago.
Well you’ve got it all now. We’ll see how you get out of this one or get crucified in four years.
“You want to be married and gay, then go live in Massachusetts or Connecticut and don’t force all the rest of us to take your perversion.”
Hmm, for people who quote the bible on here SOOO much, it seems as though you all forget a very important part:
Matt. 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”
HisMan, I would appreciate a link of any kind showing a quote where McCain recanted his strong support for stem cell research.
And you supported my point by backing up what I said about his STRONG opposition to any federal marriage laws – so thank you for that.
Ooh I have a better one! How about,
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Seems like maybe you should throw that one out there more often, too! It seems to me as though maybe you shouldn’t judge their “perversion” unless you’ve never sinned. …Are you completely, 100% free of sin?
“The economy tanked McCain, plain and simple. And this was all orchestrated by the Democrats, the MSM and the Marxists in Washington and it started 3 years ago. ”
Ahhh. You’re a conspiracy theorist. That explains a lot of your anger. Since I know rational discussion is foreign to people like yourself, I’ll just bid you a pleasant evening.
Seems like maybe you should throw that one out there more often, too! It seems to me as though maybe you shouldn’t judge their “perversion” unless you’ve never sinned. …Are you completely, 100% free of sin?
Posted by: Josephine at November 10, 2008 12:41 AM
you have the typical “liberal” view of judgement Josephine.
There is nothing wrong with “judging” whether an ACT itself is “wrong” or right. You make judgements like this every day, yourself. It is possible to look at the act itself, separate from the individual and judge it’s correctness. It is not right to judge an individual. God reserves that right.
If a persons feels “convicted” because someone tells them that what they are doing is wrong – that is, the act is wrong, it is quite possible that this is because their conscience also tells them that this act is wrong. This is why the Catholic Church has NEVER condemned persons with same-sex attraction but has spoken out against acting on same-sex attractions.
John@11:13 PM:
To date, NO ONE has been cured or treated with Embryonic Stem Cell Research. They have however, been treated with ADULT STEM CELLS like bone marrow and even umbilical cord blood (A little boy from my state went to China for an umbilical cord blood stem cell treatment for Optical Nerve Hypoplasia. Several children have received the same stem cell treatment and have seen significant results in gaining some of their eyesight back. This boy has started to show improvement in reacting to light (specifically a flashlight in his eyes),his autistic behavior and even his appetite.
And abortion is NOT SAFER than CHILD BIRTH.
Rae and Shep,
It looks like Hisman has done a good job responding to most of these comments.
1. Concervatives strongly support adult stem cell research, which has already proven highly successful in curing and treating various disorders. So far ESCs have cured nothing.
2.The people of California also supported a gay marriage ban. While I do not feel strongly about gay people either way, I do not support gay marriage. Gay people in relationships enjoy the same rights as you and I. I strongly support gay people having equal rights. I believe Biden also stated he did not support gay marriage, am I correct?
3. I agree illegal immigration should be stopped. Should people who enter this country illegally be given priority over those who played by the rules? Should illegals receive “free” services? Are the criminal element also illegally crossing the border? I have absolutely no issue with anyone here legally.
4. I don’t think he should have supported a bailout and was disappointed he did.
5. Hisman makes a good point about Obama’s ranting preacher Rev. Wright, who issued an award to racist anti-semite Louis Farrakhan.
What about the bullying of the religious left such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? If there’s ever been a big mouth who’s catered to its Rev. Jesse Jackson.
Concerning “manmade” global warming, I think its the biggest hoax ever perpetrated. Hundreds of scientists do not agree it exists and even question if the earth is warming. By the way, 30 years ago the earth was supposedly entering an ice age.
Concerning the swiftboat veterans I knew veterans that supported them. Its a matter of who you believe, right?
Monks brawl at the Holy Sepulcher!
http://tinyurl.com/6otu4m
The economy tanked McCain, plain and simple. And this was all orchestrated by the Democrats, the MSM and the Marxists in Washington and it started 3 years ago.
Oh HisMan….
Liz: abortion is NOT SAFER than CHILD BIRTH.
Yes it is.
For abortions as a whole, around 12 times safer. Or 11, or 10, or 15 – depending on which data set we look at – figures like these are in the ballpark.
For most abortions, almost 90% of all abortions, the safety ratio is much greater.
11 – 12 weeks, which is about 10% of all abortions, 18 times safer.
9 – 10 weeks, which is about 19% of all abortions, 36 times safer.
Less than 9 weeks, which is 59% of all abortions, 70 to 100 times safer than continuing pregnancies and giving birth.
Liz,
Isn’t it embarassing that an American citizen has to travel to China for treatment with ASCs? The late performer Don Ho had to travel to Thailand for ASC treatment for his heart! He improved enough to spend the last few years of his life doing what he most enjoyed, performing.
Where are our scientists? Wasting time with ESCs.
Rae @ 1:51 PM – confessed lying to everyone
Chris Arsenault @ 8:17 PM – Asking why? (in a silly way)
Rae @ 8:37 PM & Jess @ 8:54 PM – confusion
I considered commenting about how lying undermines trust, and that implicitly you trust us to not use your prior comments in a destructive way, but decided not to.
Let me explain why Bethany is sorry.
I had a very close friend who lied and deceived several friends for many years about his past. That included his wife.
When we finally found out that he had been lying, we got angry, but when we considered it for a while, it only made us pity him, because he had made himself into something he was not, and in so doing he became a rather pathetic individual – a shell of a person that needed help.
He was very angry and bitter inside, but he refused to explain why he had lied. He moved away, and while I mourn the loss of our friendship, the depth of his deception was so harmful, I basically could not trust him again for anything.
That none of this is obvious to you makes me both angry and also very sad, because I and others have spent time developing a distant relationship, and when you find out its all a ruse, then it feels like we’ve been robbed of the time and the relationship.
I’m not sure why you’re even here on this site commenting – do you have some kind of loneliness you need to fill? (That’s for you to consider.)
My wife continually says that my time is better spent doing something else, because what she reads on here indicates that only those willing to really share openly and honestly are worth spending time with.
She’s right.
Maybe I do it because someone out there might read it and realize that trust – even in the little things, really does matter to everyone.
If you want to have real relationships in your life, you have to be real yourself.
Mary
It is incredibly sad. I think its just that people have bought the lies of those scientists who have said ESCR has the ‘potential’ to cure Diabetes, Parkinsons (Michael J Fox IS Obsessed with ESCR curing him), Alzheimers (but even the Alzeheimers society says that its a FULL brain disease and ESCR will probably NOT have any impact), and also paralysis (the late Christopher Reeve really thought it would help him). The truth about ESCR is that there have been TUMORS that have appeared during experiments. There are no trials with ESCR and no treatments yet.
I just hope we don’t start doing what the UK is doing: animal/human embryo hybrids. That’s disturbing!
I think that most of us who know Rae would like her no matter what.
Not really sure of the timing, but when I first read Jill’s blog, she may have been in the pro-choice camp.
It didn’t make me not like her because she “went over to the other side.”
She’s usually been very reasonable about things, and I recall her saying that she was “anti-stupidity,” and I’ll agree that it’s stupid not to use birth control if one doesn’t want to get pregnant, for example.
Liz,
While our scientists waste time with ESCs other countries leave us in the dust. That’s especially embarassing. I recall S.Korea treating a paraplegic woman with ASCs. She stood up for the first time in years.
While I disagreed with Christopher Reeve on politics and ESCs, I always had tremendous respect for him and never questioned his devotion to and efforts to help the physically challenged. One can’t blame the poor man for clinging to what hope he could. It was also nice for ESC proponents to have him, and Michael Fox, to exploit with false hope. That is despicable.
Liz,
Many new mothers at our hospital are saving their babies’ umbilical cord blood stem cells. It seems the average citizen is more knowledgable than some of our country’s scientific minds.
My cousin after she had her 2nd son, she saved his Umbilical Cord Blood Cells (preserved them). I am hoping my brother also remembered to do this when his third child (my nephew) was born in Feb 2007.
@Chris: I could take the time to explain why I lied. I should have ‘fessed up a long time ago or better yet- not have been a deceitful ass in the first place. I know why y’all are angry and I actually expect you to be. I know what it’s like to be lied to, and I should have known better than to lie.
I could try to explain myself, but I really doubt it’ll do any good.
And you know why I’m here? Because I am lonely. I have very, very few friends (in real life). I spend my weekends- alone in my apartment…all I have for communication is the internet. It’s oh-so-deeply satisfying…not. Not looking for pity- but yes, you are right…I am very lonely.
Rae,
I don’t know you, but I have definitely known overwhelming loneliness.
You are in my prayers.
Rae, hang in there. There was a time I lived a very quiet life in a very small apartment (and before the internet). I knew almost no one (living in Chicago). We learn alot about ourselves at times like that. It’s a time period, it’s not forever. Most people my age, no matter how happy, would love a quiet weekend with no one to talk to once in awhile.
http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/11/09/douthat-vs-kmiec/
very respectful pro-life anti-Obama piece that should be of interest to many here. The tone of debate is already improving.
Rae,
You live 30 min. away from me. I am sorry you are so lonely. I know a little about that myself. I am also sorry you felt the need to lie although that hardly changes my thoughts of you. I haven’t seen you on here for a long time but often think of you and wonder how you are.
I am serious when I tell you that I am here for you.
Oh Rae, you are most definitely in my prayers!
Oh Patricia you said: “you have the typical “liberal” view of judgement Josephine.”
Uhm, how do you interpret this: “You see Shlep, there’s no winning with Liberals because their positions are all based on lies and immorality and depravity. ”
That’s not judging an act. So, sorry if by “liberal” view of judgement you mean.. the one in the bible… then, okay, you’re right. I have the typical liberal view of judgment.
Doug
Tell that to Christin Gilbert or Laura Lee Hope. Oh wait, you can’t. Laura died on the operating table and Christin died following her abortion. Tell that to the woman here in Nebraska whose abortion at 8 weeks gestation cost her a LOT of blood and having to have an emergency hysterectomy at the hospital.
Tell that to the young black woman in Kansas that developed sespis after her abortion, nearly dying at Tiller’s abortion mill.
Abortion isn’t safe!
oops, I meant Laura Hope Smith.
Rae, in the words of Dr. Gregory House…everyone lies.
Why don’t you start over w/out the lies. We’re all willing to forgive and forget.
Rae – Hal’s right – life may get lonely and depressing but it’s not forever.
There are so many people trying to really connect on the Internet, yet isn’t it so rare to actually share the more serious and personal concerns of our lives? Rare, it seems, even in person. I find when that happens though, it’s a real blessing to all involved.
With all the depressing news for pro-lifers lately, I’ve been in a funky mood, but I’m refocusing on all the beautiful and wonderful things of life – even in the face of adversity. Actually, because I see such a serious contrast between life and death, life looks even more amazing.
That’s the direction I’m going in – seeing the beauty of life in the face of adversity and suffering.
Take Carla up on her offer and visit her. Who knows, you might gain a friend or two. :-)
“-Celebrate the election of the first Affirmative Action president, elected in spite of a complete lack of qualifications and sane positions on the issues, solely because he is black.”
John, how come every time an African American achieves something people think it must be affirmative action? Is it because the majority of Americans are still racist and believe that African Americans are nothing more then lazy children who can’t achieve anything without the help of white people?
Do you remember the last “unqualified” Illinois senator to become president? I’ll give you a hint, he freed the slaves. Of course you probably think that was a big mistake, as they obviously need their white “parents” to help them not be heathen cannibals every African is, right?
Jess, it isn’t racist to oppose Afirmative Action. Explain to me the justification of giving extra points to student A because he’s black. If two students from the same school, with the same grades, and same economic background apply to a school, the black student will get extra points. Please explain how this is fair?
Obama did not make Law Review pres based on his merrits, but rather as the results of admitted affirmative action. Stating this isn’t racist.
Look, I would be pissed off if I got extra bonus points for admission because I am a woman. I want to be judged on my merit, not my anatomy. I don’t think it is racist in the slightest to say that every student should be judged on merit and content of character, not the color of his skin.
Lauren, Obama’s term as editor of the Harvard Law Review is praised by liberals and conservatives alike as being exceptionally well done.
I don’t see Intelligence is a qualification. Temperment is a qualification. Judgment is a qualification. Education is a qualification. Experience in the state Senate, the US Senate, and yes, community organizing, is a qualification. We are blessed to have such a man as our next president.
Hal, that’s odd because Obama didn’t publish a single paper during his stint. I guess he gave people “hope”.
A single paper wasn’t published during his time as editor? What are you talking about? Because of how well he worked with the paper, he was offered a publishing contract and an advance on a book.
The Editor of the Law Review doesn’t write articles, he/she plans the topics with the Editorial Board and edits the articles.
Josephine, Obama’s own campaign claims “One thing Obama did not do while with the review was publish any of his own work. Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said Obama didn’t write any articles for the Review, though his two semesters at the helm did produce a wide range of edited case analyses and unsigned “notes” from Harvard students. ”
…. Read the post above yours, Lauren. He was the editor. Please, go find your home town newspaper and find an article by the editor.
Josephine and Hal,
Our newspaper’s editor and editorial staff write editorials and commentary, sometimes very extensive ones. Our newpaper has various editors. I have seen examples of editors writing articles and commentary in news magazines.
Being an editor would not prevent Obama from writing or publishing articles.
Rae 9:12am
I’m sorry to hear that. I have been concerned as to how you were doing, I knew you had some previous struggles, and I had hoped things were going well. I feel badly that they’re not.
Please stay here with us. We love and care about you.
It doesn’t require him to. It requires him to edit.
Apparently he’s unskilled though and only got the position because he’s black.
Josephine,
I’m aware of that. No one has to write articles. He does have the option to should he want to. I never suggested he got the position only because he’s black.
Okay, Mary, what was your point then?
Josephine,
What do you mean? I was discussing editors writing articles, Obama could have written articles, and I never suggested Obama got his position because he’s black. I think that’s pretty straight forward.
Oh poop, I thought you had written the post, but it was actually Lauren. That’s my fault. I apoligize.
Josephine,
Not a problem. :)
Our newspaper’s editor and editorial staff write editorials and commentary, sometimes very extensive ones. Our newpaper has various editors. I have seen examples of editors writing articles and commentary in news magazines.
Being an editor would not prevent Obama from writing or publishing articles.
Posted by: Mary at November 10, 2008 2:01 PM
Law Reviews are different.
Hal,
Is an editor of a Law Review forbidden to write an article?
I know what it’s like to be lied to, and I should have known better than to lie.
Yep, spreading the misery of lying to others is exactly what you did, It makes you feel better about yourself and your misery.
Kinda like abortion. Or drugs, Or alcoholics, who are the children of alcholics, and are spreading that misery to others.
You were raised by liars, and one day that misery of being lied to by those liars who raised you, you took a drink of lying from those liars that raised you, and enjoyed that drink of lies
as much as those liars that raised you.
Such a liar you are, You enjoy lying, and then like a drunk who swears off drinking, takes a swig of liar’s liquor, and ask for forgiveness for lying about that swear he made to himself or others of not drinking again. Which begins the lying/misery/forgivness from others cycle, all over again
Or are you just another self made liar, just spreading your misery to others, in a emotional satisfaction to yourself, that only liar’s can know of, from such sweet satisfaction’s gained from lying?
You know, Hisman was writing about the malignant narcissist personality, and you might think about that seriouos personality disorder dudette being the source of your being a manipulating liar.
Is an editor of a Law Review forbidden to write an article?
Posted by: Mary at November 10, 2008 3:03 PM
Don’t know about “forbidden,” but it doesn’t happen much. Each Review probably has it’s own rules about it. This is how the job is described at Wayne State University Law School (Harvard might be different):
The Editor-in-Chief is responsible for overseeing the entire operation of the Review, including supervising all executive board members in their duties. The EIC works as a liaison with the administration and faculty, as well as with others in the legal community. The EIC is involved in the selection of members for the Review, as well as publication decisions regarding student authors. The EIC is the last line of defense in the editing process and must prepare each issue for publication.
Mary, you’re going to find this VERY interesting. According to one website (I have not verified) Obama DID write a “comment” during his first year on Law Review (the year before he was President of the publication). Guess what it’s about???
TORT LAW – PRENATAL INJURIES – SUPREME COURT OF ILLINOIS REFUSES TO RECOGNIZE CAUSE OF ACTION BROUGHT BY FETUS AGAINST ITS MOTHER FOR UNINTENTIONAL INFLICTION OF PRENATAL INJURIES.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html
I think we would need a steam shovel to clean up all the bull crap posted in this thread. Holy cow (pun intended)!
Michael Savage said it best – Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Michelle Obama’s dress reminded me a lot of a female black widow spider.
This is not a racist remark; a white woman could’ve worn it and made the same impression…
Very telling choice, I thought.
The ultimate betrayal coup for Planned Parenthood; with a black president, they will be able to con more blacks into aborting more blacks. Margaret Sanger would be howling with wicked, bloodthirsty glee if she could see it.
Even though she can’t, she’s no doubt howling, but hardly with glee…
Hal 4:15PM
Well, obviously an editor can write a commentary or article!
Flynn,
In fact a very beautiful, articulate, and devoted black woman was president of Planned Parenthood in the form of Faye Wattleton, also a media darling extraordinnaire. I wonder if she ever knew that her idol, Margaret Sanger, spoke to a gathering of Klan women. How nice the ladies could take some time off from burning crosses and spewing hatred at black citizens to attend.
Flynn 4:55PM
Wasn’t there a murderous white women referred to as a “black widow” for murdering her husbands?
Josephine stop blowing smoke. It is not wrong to judge whether an act is moral or immoral. You judge the act and not the person. As the Catholic church has reiterated time and again: same-sex tendencies are not in themselves sinful (just as the tendency to get angry is not). However, if we act on that feeling (have same-sex sex or in the case of anger, strike some one) the act is sinful. We say the person has committed a sin. As a Catholic how can you disagree with this?
“there’s no winning with Liberals because their positions are all based on lies and immorality and depravity”
That isn’t judging an act. It is judging the people themselves. This is the only thing I was talking about, and I have no idea why you’d make a big deal about it.
Tell that to Christin Gilbert or Laura Lee Hope. Oh wait, you can’t. Laura died on the operating table and Christin died following her abortion. Tell that to the woman here in Nebraska whose abortion at 8 weeks gestation cost her a LOT of blood and having to have an emergency hysterectomy at the hospital.
Liz, nobody told you there is zero risk with abortion.
The fact that it’s much safer than continuing pregnancies and giving birth remains.
“Yet again we see the proponents of abortion making the false assertion that abortion is actually safer than childbirth,” said Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, which litigates pro-life issues. “That assertion is not only inaccurate but in fact is the reverse of the truth, which is that abortion is more dangerous than childbirth. Our brief, with careful documentation, explodes the myth of abortion as safer than childbirth.”
(from this source found by a quick Google search)
And we haven’t yet even begun to talk about the risk to the child.
Nobody told me there was ANY risk to abortion, Doug. I had to learn that the hard way.
false assertion that abortion is actually safer than childbirth
It’s not false.
The mortality statistics can be argued, but it’s so one sided that even if things are altered by different statistical methods, etc., it’s a matter of abortion being “8 times safer, versus 10,” etc.
Nobody told me there was ANY risk to abortion, Doug. I had to learn that the hard way.
Carla, I realize that. Freedom to make choices does not bring a guarantee that every choice will later be seen to be the best.
Doug said, ‘it’s a matter of abortion being “8 times safer, versus 10,” etc.’
Nonsense.
The brief addresses the oft-repeated misconception that abortion has been proven to be safer than childbirth. The ACLJ brief explains that the comparison of maternal mortality and abortion mortality statistics is akin to mixing apples and oranges and cannot be compared one-to-one. Further, the brief asserts the comparison is invalid because the data itself is inaccurate and incomplete.
(from the same source)
Oh please, Jon – the “ACLJ” is hardly unbiased.
Meanwhile, roughly 275 wommen die each year in the US from pregnancy and childbirth, while about 10 die from induced abortion.
Doug, can you read? The ACLJ brief explains that the comparison of maternal mortality and abortion mortality statistics is akin to mixing apples and oranges and cannot be compared one-to-one.
The next sentence is applicable too: Further, the brief asserts the comparison is invalid because the data itself is inaccurate and incomplete.
Doug, maybe I am trying to fight a needless battle. After all, abortifacients cause abortions too. I’m not sure how many women use abortifacients as a means of contraception, but were the statistics to include such abortions, then abortion might be as medically safe or even safer than it is said to be.
If not becoming pregnant is safer than being pregnant and delivering a child, I would expect being very, very briefly pregnant to be almost as safe. (There are psychological effects of abortion too.)
The fact is that every abortion results in the death of a human being.
It is a matter of course that pregnancy has risk after the Fall. God cursed both Adam’s work and Eve’s child-bearing. Both are still responsibilities today.
But women will be saved through childbearing–if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Tim. 2:15
The ACLJ brief explains that the comparison of maternal mortality and abortion mortality statistics is akin to mixing apples and oranges and cannot be compared one-to-one.
The next sentence is applicable too: Further, the brief asserts the comparison is invalid because the data itself is inaccurate and incomplete.
Jon, those are just statements. What actual logic and numbers back it up, especially to the point of negating the enormous lead in safety that the actual mortality figures show for abortion, especially early abortion?
…..
If not becoming pregnant is safer than being pregnant and delivering a child, I would expect being very, very briefly pregnant to be almost as safe.
You’re getting on the right track here. It makes a heck of a difference how long the pregnancy is along.
Having an abortion at 21 weeks or later is more risky, in general, than continuing the pregnancy and giving birth, a mortality rate of 8.9 per 100,000 versus 7.1 for giving birth.
Contrast that with 0.1 for abortions before 9 weeks (when about 60% of abortions are done).