(Prolifer)ations 4-23-09
by Bernadette P.
The “Use of Force for the Protection of the Unborn Act” allows pregnant women legal protection against prosecution for protecting themselves and their unborn children against attackers, including domestic abusers….
“When Laura passed away, it changed my views on abortion,” she said.
Laura Hope Smith, 22, Freeman’s former classmate, died after a botched abortion in 2007.
The article adds:
Since Laura’s death, her abortionist, Rapin Osathanondh, has since permanently surrendered his medical license and closed his two abortion mills. Osathanondh has been charged with manslaughter, and is scheduled for trial in September.
The controversial measure by Rep. Frank Corte, R-San Antonio, requires the doctor to do [an] ultrasound at least two hours before [an] abortion to make sure the woman “understands the nature and consequences of an abortion….”
A similar bill in the Senate has been approved by committee but has yet to be considered by the full Senate. The House version would require doctors to do [an] ultrasound, show the woman the image, let her hear the heartbeat and explain the fetus’s development.
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I fail to see what the TX bill would do. As biology is required by Texas High School curriculum (or was last time I checked) and the vast majority of biology classes teach human development, including the stages of development in the womb, most people know what a fetus looks like.
It’s going to delay the abortion for a few hours, which is never optimal, but abortion, just like deciding to keep the pregnancy or adopt out, ought to be the result of careful, logical thought. Ideally, the decision would be discussed with a partner. I don’t see that this will help.
“The pregnant woman consents to the abortion, though not always fully informed, but her child, though never consenting, is always fully informed of the abortion.”
So what is the difference between the late term abotionists who dismembers the living prenatal child limb by limb, then pulls the still live baby’s torso out far enough to make an incison in the back of the neck at the base of the skull and them insert a suction canula and evacuate the now dead child’s brains, and jihadist who saws off the head of his living victim and records the act brutalistic barbarism so he can proudly broadcast his handiwork for the whole world to see.
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“The pregnant woman consents to the abortion, though not always fully informed, but her child, though never consenting, is always fully informed of the abortion.”
So what is the difference between the late term abotionists who dismembers the living prenatal child limb by limb, then pulls the still live baby’s torso out far enough to make an incison in the back of the neck at the base of the skull and them insert a suction canula and evacuate the now dead child’s brains,
and the jihadist, who saws off the head of his living victim and records the act of brutalistic barbarism so he can proudly broadcast his handiwork for the whole world to see?
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Human, the TX bill has to do with informed consent.
If we are really interested in providing the most medically accurate and up to date information about the status of a women’s pregnancy, then she deserves to know that the child in her womb (most likely) has a heartbeat and brainwaves.
Let the women make her choice after she has all the information.
There is a difference between pictures of unborn babies and seeing your own unborn baby. Like someone might be able to push a button and kill human beings remotely but could never look a human in their eyes and end their life, people find it easier to kill what they don’t see.
It’s the ultimately cowardice. Looking at the victim will hopefully prick the woman’s conscience into not having the child dismembered.
This is a great victory for the unborn and the pro-life movement. In essence it recognizes the humanity and personhood of an unborn baby. Combined with other legislation in states thoughout the country, there is a sense that the tide could be turning. We need to work all the harder and pray that these efforts will be blessed.
As an ultrasound doesn’t detect brainwaves, I fail to see how that’s relevant. Also, as the brain isn’t formed enough to have brain waves until fairly late in the pregnancy, well before the majority of abortions are preformed, it’s doubly irrelevant.
I don’t see how it’s necessary. I mean, the woman is pregnant. What does she think is in her womb? A puppy?
Human, yes, many women are not told the truth about what is going on inside their wombs.
This is one reason why the bill needs to be passed. When women see the ultrasound images and hear the heartbeat, they connect with their child, sometimes for the first time.
By the way, ultrasound is considered a revolutionary technology that opened up a world that our forefathers could never have imagined. Only when we try to use it to actually help women make decisions about their bodies ie. abortion is it considered a “weapon of intimidation and humiliation” as one columnist described it.
Human, you would be shocked to read what some women believe. They have been told that it is “just a ball of cells” when they have abortions at 8 weeks.
Yes, they know that they are pregnant with another human being, but they have been fed the lie that this human being is still in the cellular stage. This lie makes it easier for women to justify killing their child.
Many women who would abort a “ball of cells” would not abort the obvious child one sees during an ultrasound.
At 10 weeks I was told it was a bunch of cells. Lies.
Do brainwaves make a baby human?
Depending on how far along the woman is, it might very well be a clump of cells. As 9/10 pregnancies are preformed before 12 weeks, for most of that time, the fetus isn’t much more than a clump of cells. At ten weeks, there can be seen some sort of brain development; it isn’t until ten weeks that the fetus can even make blood cells.
Whether or not it’s a child is irrelevant. The woman ought to have the right to make a private medical decision without the state force-feeding her information. Information regarding physical consequences and such should be discussed, no doubt, but whether or not an ultrasound is needed is, I think, up for debate.
Additional information: 60 percent of abortions take place before the first eight weeks of pregnancy, when the most primitive of neural connections are beginning to form. The fetus is about the size of a kidney bean at this point: more akin to a clump of cells, I think, than a five year old.
Human, can you name for me one other medical procedure where the patient has to make an agonizing, permanent choice, where the means exist to give that patient the best information possible utilizing one of the most powerful medical devices ever invented, and the doctor thinks its against the patients best interest to take advantage of it.
Imagine going in for heart surgery, getting an echo-cardiogram (x-ray of the heart) that will give the doctor the immediate condition of the status of the heart and then imagine him saying “Sorry sir, since you took biology you should know how the heart works. We don’t want to tell you because we don’t want to force-feed you information.”
HA,
You are a clump of cells.
I had an abortion at 10 weeks. Told it was a bunch of cells. 5 years later I had a miscarriage at 10 weeks and held that baby in my hand. Toes, feet, legs, fingers, hands and arms. A tiny little face and rump. A tiny human baby. With my own two eyes I got to see for myself. I was horrified!! I had my first “clump of cells” killed at 10 weeks!!
Please do some research on fetal development.
Andrew, show me where I said I thought the ultrasound shouldn’t be done? I believe the only emotion I’ve expressed toward is has been apathy.
Carla, I sure am a clump of cells. So’re you. The fetus might have had hands and arms and such, but they were just limbs. No brain. Internal organs not functioning. I’ve done research on fetal development.
Again, whether or not its a clump of cells isn’t relevant. The right of the female to chose a legitimate medical procedure without people protesting around her house is paramount.
HA, you are wrong. I don’t know where you get your ideas from, but at 10 weeks–and even earlier–the baby is moving. You need a brain to move. Just because the brain isn’t as advanced as yours doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Go read a book. I recommend the Bible–perhaps you will learn that you can be forgiven of your evil by repenting and turning to Jesus Christ? Failing that, perhaps something on human fetal development.
Movement, actually, is a reflex. Rudimentary neural development, as per seen at 8 weeks, is necessary. It isn’t a brain. By definition. A worm wriggles around; do you mourn it when you crunch it with a garden spade?
Human, you said “I don’t see how it’s necessary.”
Doesn’t sound like you approve, a?
Posted by: Human Abstract at April 23, 2009 9:53
Movement, actually, PMis a reflex. Rudimentary neural development, as per seen at 8 weeks, is necessary. It isn’t a brain. By definition. A worm wriggles around; do you mourn it when you crunch it with a garden spade?
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What female of the human species ever conceived and gave birth to an earth worm?
Human Abstract.
When yo mama was pregos wit yo wut wuz de species o de embryo/fetus dat be chillin in her utero?
Go aks yo mamma if yo be not knowin.
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No, I don’t mourn a worm. One human being has more worth than a thousand animals. His special derivation from and original resemblance to God makes him exceptional. He has intrinsic worth; level of development is irrelevant.
The Lord Jesus Christ did not mourn two thousand pigs that drowned themselves like lemmings after He had ordered the demons to stop harassing the man in the Gadarenes. Under the domination of the spirits, the man had acted like an animal. “For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.” (Mark 5:4-5)
I don’t get the rationale (key word, not motive) for the OK Bill. You already have the right to defend yourself, its called self defense. This is just a thinly veiled attempt to introduce personhood language or legislation for a fetus. Nice try.
Andrew, that really was an expression of apathy. I don’t see why its necessary; it would require the expenditure of my tax dollars for a bill I think is kind of stupid. I mean, go for it, whatever, I don’t think it’ll do much if anything.
HA, No abortion is performed at the “clump of cells” stage. By the time the woman has missed her period, differentiation has begun to occur.
The only time an abortificient drug ends a life at the cellular stage is when it prevents the child from implanting.
Not that it matters if when the life is taken, but if you’re going to argue, at least argue the facts.
Depends on how you define clump of cells, I suppose. Differentiation doesn’t mean it isn’t still a clump of cells. It’s a group of differentiated clump of cells, but its still a non-thinking, non-feeling clump.
Human, we are all simply “clumps of cells.” That doesn’t mean that the term is appropriate to use to describe us. The obvious connotation is that of a petri dish, not of an infant. That’s what the abortionists want, and that’s what the women believe.
So HA, you don’t mean brain when you say brain. You mean mind, or intelligence. Presumably you are also okay with killing severely disabled children or adults. You value a human being purely for their intellectual worth, also meaning that you think yourself more valuable than me (but I may be smarter than you think) and that Stephen Hawking is more valuable than you.
I don’t mourn a worm (much), but I don’t kill them for no reason, either. You also overlook the fact that a worm will always be a worm, but in mere weeks, the fetal human being’s brain power will be greatly increased, and in a few months (years? When does a child get the brainpower to have rights, in your book?) that same “clump of cells” will have the reasoning power you value so highly. If you had a $100 dollar investment that was highly likely to turn into $1,000,000 dollars in nine months, it would be pretty stupid to pull it out and buy new shoes with it. Even if you argue that the human fetus has no worth because it is nonsentient, its likelihood of becoming very intelligent puts it in a different category than a spider or caterpillar. If one woman impregnated herself with Einstein’s frozen sperm, would her fetus have more worth than my child of the same age?
To look at the fetus’ current state only is disingenuous. If you don’t believe me, try having some scrambled bald eagle eggs and tell me how that goes over with the authorities.
Wrong again Human. No taxpayer dollars will be used because abortionists are already using ultrasound on their patients.
Evidence shows that 80-90 percent of abortion-minded women change their minds when shown the ultrasound.
Sounds to me like it would have a huge impact on reducing the numbers of abortions, something everyone wants.
Or says they want!! :)
Rare, rare, rare.
Carla, yes, there does not seem to be a reason why abortion supporters would want abortion to be rare. Saying they want abortion to be rare is in conflict with their work of promoting abortion.
A few weeks ago I was in my “pro-choice, pro-child” State Reps office and he said he wanted abortion to be “safe,legal and rare.” I said “Why rare, why not abundantly?”
He looked at the floor and an awkward silence ensued.
Exactly. Why should it be rare? PC here don’t have an answer to that either.
HA,
There is a two month old who has little more than a brainstem. Doctors are completely stumped. She is growing and living and being loved much by so many of us. What shall we do with her??
So many great pro-life responses on this thread! YCW at 6:25 — you go girl!!
Exactly, Andrew! If abortion is so liberating for women then why should we make it rare?!
“To look at the fetus’ current state only is disingenuous. If you don’t believe me, try having some scrambled bald eagle eggs and tell me how that goes over with the authorities.”
Great comment!