No cartoons of any substance on our issue this week, but here were a few others I thought were clever…
by Dan Wasserman of The Boston Globe…
by Jim Morin of The New York Times…
by Bob Gorrell of Creators Syndicate…
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That second cartoon says it all. Looks like in Obama’s haste to go after Bush, and cater to the far left, he has caught up a few of his Democrat cohorts in the sweep, as well as endangered our national security.
Nancy Pelosi was kind of told but she wasn’t. What a hoot. This could be the proof that Botox does indeed migrate to the brain.
Hussein’s catering to extreme liberals and possibly allowing release of interrogation is nothing but a witch hunt and purely political. Even worse…. many Democrats knew ahead of time about the interrrogation and didn’t oppose but now that they control everything they are showing such indignation at “torture” allowed by the Bush administration.
I think it’s time the far left started educating themselves about the torture defenseless innocent babies experience as they are being aborted. Maybe if they knew unborn babies were partially delivered and then having their brains sucked out…… or others poisoned and burned with saline in the womb….. maybe if they really educated themselves on this real torture these poor babies go through…. then some of them may actually become pro life.
That is what changed me. I used to think abortion was wrong personally but didnt think I had the right to force my own views on someone else. Much like politically correct Joe Biden answered in the debate.
However now that I really understand abortion is murder pro life people have every right to want to force their views. After all, we don’t allow murder of people who are outside the womb.
I know this is a caricature….. but Susan Boyle is much better looking than this drawing. I hope she has a good sense of humor.
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Mary, I agree. Why doesn’t Obama go after the REAL enemy instead of his own countrymen and end the war as he promised instead of apologizing for it. How many plates does he think he can he keep spinning at once? Eventually they’ll all come crashing down. They always do.
“I think it’s time the far left started educating themselves about the torture defenseless innocent babies experience as they are being aborted. Maybe if they knew unborn babies were partially delivered and then having their brains sucked out…… or others poisoned and burned with saline in the womb….. maybe if they really educated themselves on this real torture these poor babies go through…. then some of them may actually become pro life.”
Joanne,
Excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1635icvGnjo
Spokesweasel of the House Madam Nancy Pelosi ‘spinning’ and ‘knitting’ a yarn about what she did not know and when she did not know it.
At about the 6:29 she is asked specifically if she raised any objection.
Pay close attention to the visibly pulsing arteries in her nip and tucked neck.
She may not be lying, but she is nervous as hell about somethings.
This woman is sweating bullets. She probably had to change her Presidential seal emblazoned adult diaper after this encounter with some actual journalists.
She is attempting to employ the seargent Schultz defense,”I saw nothing, I heard nothing, I knew nothing, nothing, nothing at all.”
This demure submissive feminista was so intimidated by the CIA representitives that briefed her, she says she did not raise an objection or even ask a question because she was only allowed to listen and then she was forbidden to speak even to her fellow committee members about what she heard.
And Bill Clinton smoked pot, but he never inhaled, though Monica Lewinsky did. There are no homosexuals in Iran. Senator Larry Craig has restless leg syndrome and a wide stance.
Here is Republican Congressman Pete Hoekstra’s take on the substance of the same briefings Madam Pelosi and many other democrats attended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM-Zzhgn4lM&feature=related
yor bro ken
ken,
Good points. I saw Pelosi trying to explain herself on this and doing a very poor job. When will Obama admit that the Democrats KNEW the policy. They were briefed!!
Rachel Mad-Cow conducting a paid info-mercial for Spokesweasel Pelosi and her un-named democrat co-conspirators.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9cwViwP9LQ&feature=related
If this had been a court of law the opposing coucil would have raised an objection: “Council is leading the witness.”
The objection would have been sustained.
‘Leading the witness’ is actually a gross understatement.
You could have put a life size likeness of Pelosi in the witness chair and ms Mad-Cow could have just asked and answered all her own questions.
From madam spokesweasel pelosi’s version of events, it sounds like she was not actually present at the afore mentioned briefings. Either that or she knitted and/or napped through them.
yor bro ken
ps: I think this infomercial was intended to be passed off as a real interview between an objective journalist and a partisan politician.
It is difficult, if not impossible, to discern the difference between the two.
Ms Mad-Cow is shoe-in for induction into the journalism the hall of shame.
Sad moment (on an otherwise amazing day- go Dominican Republic!). I think that Susan Boyle is quite beautiful. She has a beautiful smile and gorgeous eyes. And I know that I can’t possibly be the only person who thinks this…
Come on, people, let’s not sit around and act hateful towards Democrats. This is a very good day.
Just for laughs.
What happens when antsy Nancy has ants in her pants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9isgJ2jinwo&feature=related
yor bro ken
Ken 12:41PM
…and Bill Clinton never had sex with “that woman, Miss Lewinsky”.
Ken, do you think Botox really does go to the brain??
I love your posts!!
Hi Janet,
I think our fearless leader stepped into deep doo-doo without looking first. This was supposed to nail George Bush and make Obama look like the shining knight. Democrats would pound their chests in self righteous indignation.
Instead this totally inexperienced clueless twit has jeopardized our national security big time, lots of Democrats have egg on their face, and it might well be proven that George Bush actually protected our country from further attacks.
In the meantime our enemies laugh themselves stupid at us and know even better how to go about planning the next terrorist act.
Elections definitely have consequences.
She has a beautiful smile and gorgeous eyes. And I know that I can’t possibly be the only person who thinks this…
Agreed, Vannah. Don’t know if it’s true, but it’s been reported that she suffers from brain damage, which makes her accomplishment all the more remarkable. I don’t care for cartoons that poke fun at personal appearance like this. I’m no fan of Obama, but I don’t appreciate his caricature in that cartoon either.
Thanks for video link @1:14, Ken.
YLT, reality, Danielle, Corsair, Robert Berger
If human fetuses are not alive, then why would the State of Washington, hardly a bastion of pro-life sentiment, require a fetal death certificate?
RCW 70.58.160 Certificate of death or fetal death required.
“A certificate of every death or fetal death shall be filed with the local registrar of the district in which the death or fetal death occurred within three business days after the occurrence is known, or if the place of death or fetal death is not known, then with the local registrar of the district in which the human remains are found within one business day thereafter. In every instance a certificate shall be filed prior to the interment or other disposition of the human remains. However, a certificate of fetal death shall not be required if the period of gestation is less than twenty weeks.”
yor bro ken
Posted by: kbhvac at April 26, 2009 1:21 PM
YLT, reality, Danielle, Corsair, Robert Berger
If human fetuses are not human beings then why would the State of Washington extend to them the right to medical treatment when they are fortunate enough to survive their attempted murder by a abortionist.
RCW 18.71.240 Abortion — Right to medical treatment of infant born alive.
“The right of medical treatment of an infant born alive in the course of an abortion procedure shall be the same as the right of an infant born prematurely of equal gestational age.”
yor bro ken
Posted by: kbhvac at April 26, 2009 1:27 PM
YLT, reality, Danielle, Corsair, Robert Berger
If the human fetus is not alive, then why does the abortionist see the need to kill them?
As late term partial birth abortionist specialist Leroy Carhart so eloquently testified, under oath, in a court of law:
“My intent in every abortion I have ever done is to kill the [human] fetus and terminate the pregnancy.”
yor bro ken
Posted by: kbhvac at April 26, 2009 1:31 PM
Mary,
Thanks and ditto to you.
I guess that makes us a mutual admiration society of at least two.
I just watched the movie, ‘The Great Debaters’.
I have never been moved to tears so many times by a single movie.
I highly recommend it.
yor bro ken
“Come on, people, let’s not sit around and act hateful towards Democrats.”
“This is a very good day.”
Posted by: Vannah at April 26, 2009 1:10 PM
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Identifying the obvious is not necessarily ‘hateful.
‘This is a very good day unless you are prenatal child scheduled for execution, or a ‘right wing extremist’.
pro-life
pro-border control
pro-second ammendment
pro-heterosexual marriage.
a present or former member of the U.S. States military or paramilitary organization that discriminates against male homosexuals, aka The Boy Scouts of America
or Miss California who, when asked her opinion, was brave enough to give it and suffer the consequences from a male homosexual misogynistic heterophobic bigot like Perez Hilton who said if Miss California had been selected as Miss USA, he would have ripped the crown off her head.
I believe Perez Hilton had ulterior motives and a hidden agenda. I think he was just jealous. Perez wanted to be crowned ‘Queen for the Day’.
yor bro ken
Great posts Ken.
Elections definitely have consequences.
Posted by: Mary at April 26, 2009 1:30 PM
You betcha.
:)
Vannah,
I agree with you. Susan is the real deal. Nothing pretentious about her. I love that.
One thing I belive we can all agree on:
Susan Doyle has a beautiful……..voice.
I also appreciate her ‘spunk’.
She gots ‘it’.
Barabar Streisand has a beautiful voice, but she does not have ‘spunk’. (see Susan Boyle)
spunk
1: mettle, pluck
2: spirit, liveliness
As Abraham Lincoln said, God must love us common folk more. That is why HE made so many of us.
yor bro ken
Yay, Fed Up! Yay, Dominican Republic! Anyone plan on celebrating? :D.
Yeah…I know that I’m a little late on receiving this wonderful pro-life news, but I was out of town…
I actually was kind of sad to see that Susan Boyle had a makeover. I think she is beautiful just the way she is. I could watch her youtube clip ALL DAY LONG!!
Posted by: Mary at April 26, 2009 1:23 PM
Ken, do you think Botox really does go to the brain??
I love your posts!!
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I hope so.
Then there may be an antidote and if so there might be a pharmaceutical cure for Janeane Garafolo.
I also hope the ‘limbic’ brain is immune to the effect.
yor bro ken
http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2009/04/dominican_repub.php
Dominican Republic Nobly Passes Bill to Preserve Life – Lesson for the Whole World
By Rev Michael Bresciani on April 25, 2009 4:16 PM
“The news of topsy turvy world economies has kept the media buzzing across the globe. From the little island republic first discovered by Christopher Columbus in 1492 comes a report that should bolster anyone who believes that all human life is sacred.
On April 23, 2009 the Dominican Republic was urged by its President Leonel Fernandez to consider the matter of ending the death penalty for un-born children in that country. In a remarkable vote the lawmakers put down abortion’s blood drain by a whopping 167 to 32.”
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If the MSM reports on this story the headline would read something like this:
In an evenly divided debate over reproductive rights the pro-choice legislature loses an extremely close vote to keep abortion safe and legal.
Some are alleging irregularities in the tabulating process and are appealing the result to the Dominicam Supreme Court.
Women’s rights groups are alleging this a clear violation of church and state and are accusing the Catholic Church of the coercion and intimidation of pro-choice legislators who capitulated to pressure to subordinate womens lives and healths to religious dogma.
The Dominican Abortion Rights Network (DARN) and the Dominican Republic Union of Non-religious Knowledge and Socialism (DRUNKS) has issued an urgent appeal to freedom loving people everywhere to send rusty coathangers to the members of the legislature.
Dominicans Requesting International Protection Soon (DRIPS) are appealing to the United Nations Secrurity to send troops immediately to restore the rule of law.
Details to follow as they develope.
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Justice anywhere is a threat to injustice every where.
yor bro ken
“I think it’s time the far left started educating themselves about the torture defenseless innocent babies experience as they are being aborted. Maybe if they knew unborn babies were partially delivered and then having their brains sucked out…… or others poisoned and burned with saline in the womb….. maybe if they really educated themselves on this real torture these poor babies go through…. then some of them may actually become pro life.”
Frankly, my dear, I don’t think the liberal left gives a damn. I think they want to have sex without responsibility and if that means killing babies, so be it.
I believe Perez Hilton had ulterior motives and a hidden agenda. I think he was just jealous. Perez wanted to be crowned ‘Queen for the Day’.
Perez H knew Miss California attended a Christian college and he was out to get her. No doubt about it. And yes Ken, he should have been given his own tiara.
“I think they want to have sex without responsibility and if that means killing babies, so be it.”
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Posted by: Hal at April 26, 2009 3:33 PM
it is Hal because firstly sex was never meant to be this way – it is not a trivial activity.
To treat sexual intercourse as a mere recreation removes the dignity inherent in this special union between a man and a woman.
And secondly because it holds the possibility of creating another human being (despite our best contraceptive efforts) it can NEVER be trivial and therefore always requires responsibility and acceptance of that new innocent life.
I am appalled that you would believe killing a baby is not a “bad thing”. Shame on you Hal.
and I’m appalled that anyone would try to prohibit a woman from terminating a pregnancy.
Terminating a pregnancy=killing a baby
Come on, Hal. You know that by now.
Hal,
Do you have mutltiple identity disorder or is there really more than one of you that posts under that handle?
Is this the same HAL who has compassion for an aged and ailing man in spite of his manifest flaws just because he is a fellow human being, but trivializes the death of a premature human being as something no more than a women’s whim?
Does your wife, partner, co-laborer relieve you at a pre-agreed time?
Which HAL is it that I like?
yor bro ken
Ken, my mood changes depending on how the Mariners are doing at the moment.
Got to go, see you all another time.
Hal,
It is a good thing you are not a Texas Rangers fan.
You would be a very disagreeable person most of the time.
yor bro ken
Carla,
I think Susan just had her eyebrows plucked….not a full makeover, right? I saw some “fake” makeovers on line where new hair and make up were added to her face. If we can’t recognize her anymore, what’s the point? I could listen to her all day as well. It makes me smile!
Hey! The Rangers aren’t doing bad this year. If they can get a few of their pitchers under control they actually have a chance to do well. Of course, pitching is always the problem, but this year it looks possible that it can be overcome.
I will also say this, tieing your mood to baseball is surefire way to be happy at least 1/3 of the time. Even if you’re team is doing great, you’re going to see quite a few bad days!
I saw a picture of her Janet with brown hair, makeup and sporting glasses and a leather coat. She looks beautiful but she did before too!! :)
Lauren, it was a joke. That’s all. Today, for example, the Mariners are losing bad, but I’m in a wonderful mood.
I somehow suspect that in her 48 years of life, Ms. Boyle has become familiar with the phenomenon of caricatures; and that, as they go, this one is not bad. As a portrait, yes, it sucks; but that’s not the point of caricatures.
She has shown that she has the grace and guts to face down the world on BGT; I’m sure that if she even sees this, she’ll take in stride.
and I’m appalled that anyone would try to prohibit a woman from terminating a pregnancy.
Posted by: Hal at April 26, 2009 3:52 PM
what does the word “terminate” mean Hal? And what exactly is being terminated here?
Please don’t use words to mislead and hide what is truly happening when an abortion occurs. It might make you and your partner feel better (for now) but it is intellectually dishonest.
If you have any integrity at all, you know this.
Angel,
I’ve challenged Hal repeatedly to educate himself on the subject of abortion so he doesn’t embarrass himself. He ignores my challenges and continues to spout this meaningless drivel.
I honestly believe he’s afraid of the truth. Why else would he refuse to become educated and informed at http://www.abortionNO.com?
Rather than engage in meaningful dialogue, he is content to remain willfully ignorant.
Does anybody know if he even believes in God?
abortion terminates a life, an innocent human life. It doesn’t terminate a tree or a flower. It kills a human being.
Some are blinded to the truth and refuse to see this.
Ed, the website you mentioned is a clearly biased place: you can tell that just from the name. Perhaps the bias is the basis of his refusal?
And what does believing in god have to do with anything?
I honestly believe he’s afraid of the truth. Why else would he refuse to become educated and informed at http://www.abortionNO.com?
Rather than engage in meaningful dialogue, he is content to remain willfully ignorant.
Does anybody know if he even believes in God?
Posted by: Ed at April 26, 2009 8:08 PM
Ed you know that Hal has had two abortions? He is a very intelligent man who has rationalized his behavior and his “choices”. He and his wife aborted two of their 4 children. Very very sad.
I don’t think Hal believes in God.
Hey Human,
Not sure if you happened to check out the website out of curiosity but it plainly shows what abortion is. Many in the pro-death crowd reconsider their women’s rights bravado when they actually see an abortion. Too many people form opinions based on other people’s opinions without doing their own research and investigation. I visited a feminist website earlier today with a pro-choice bias. It’s healthy to view an issue from different perspectives and helps you establish your own convictions.
I don’t know how much research you’ve done on the existence of God or if you’ve sought to know Him but He provides an excellent plumbline for evaluating truth.
Wow Angel,
I did not know that. Of course, that’s why he doesn’t want to visit the site.
Hal,
Please realize, (and if you ever muster up the courage to visit the aforementioned site, it will help you understand) we in the pro-life movement passionately contend for truth in the public arena. This passion is fueled by our belief that abortion is genocide, just as if these 50 million children were murdered outside the cervix. We don’t differentiate. And the graphic images of abortion procedures and the severed, burned corpses of these little children are seared in our consciences and we will not rest until this atrocity is once again outlawed in our land.
So while we will pull no punches debating in this public forum, you should know on a personal level that we care about you, we’re sorry for your losses, and that there is hope, forgiveness and restoration in the knowledge of Christ. He is the best friend you could ever have. He loves you and cares about you deeply and is ready and waiting to give you eternal life, whenever you are ready to receive it.
Ed
Posted by: Human Abstract at April 26, 2009 9:46 PM
Ed, the website you mentioned is a clearly biased place: you can tell that just from the name. Perhaps the bias is the basis of his refusal?
And what does believing in god have to do with anything?
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Human Abstract,
We can discuss what believing in god has to do with any and every thing if you choose, but based on my experience interacting with both theists and atheists on this web site, the discussing of god does not seem to effect or change pro-choice people any more than logic or reason.
Bigotry seems to blind them to truth or they just prefer to remain ignorant.
Perhaps they do not want to jeopordize their bliss.
If you are interested in some reading from a web site that does not have a ‘pro-life’ bias try these excerps from the Revised Code of Washington State:
RCW 9A.32.010 Homicide defined.
Homicide is the killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or omission of another, death occurring at any time, and is either
(1) murder,
(2) homicide by abuse,
(3) manslaughter,
(4) excusable homicide, or
(5) justifiable homicide.
RCW 9.02.170 Definitions.
For purposes of this chapter:
(1) “Viability” means the point in the pregnancy when, in the judgment of the physician on the particular facts of the case before such physician, there is a reasonable likelihood of the fetus’s sustained survival outside the uterus without the application of extraordinary medical measures.
(2) “Abortion” means any medical treatment intended to induce the termination of a pregnancy
except
for the purpose of producing a live birth.
RCW 70.58.150 “Fetal death,” “evidence of life,” defined.
A fetal death means any product of conception that shows no evidence of life after complete expulsion or extraction from its mother.
The words “evidence of life” include
breathing,
beating of the heart,
pulsation of the umbilical cord, or
definite movement of voluntary muscles.
RCW 70.58.160 Certificate of death or fetal death required.
“A certificate of every death or fetal death shall be filed with the local registrar of the district in which the death or fetal death occurred within three business days after the occurrence is known, or if the place of death or fetal death is not known, then with the local registrar of the district in which the human remains are found within one business day thereafter. In every instance a certificate shall be filed prior to the interment or other disposition of the human remains. However, a certificate of fetal death shall not be required if the period of gestation is less than twenty weeks.”
RCW 18.71.240 Abortion — Right to medical treatment of infant born alive.
“The right of medical treatment of an infant born alive in the course of an abortion procedure shall be the same as the right of an infant born prematurely of equal gestational age.”
As late term partial birth abortionist specialist Leroy Carhart so bluntly testified, under oath, in a court of law:
“My intent in every abortion I have ever done is to kill the [human] fetus and terminate the pregnancy.”
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Human Abstract,
If the human fetus is not alive, then why does the abortionist see the need to kill them?
Why does the state reguire a fetal death certificate?
Why does the state specifically require that premature infants born alive as the result of an elective abortion be afforded the right to medical treatment?
No religious dogma there.
Please ‘think’ about the questions and get back to me with your answers.
yor bro ken
H.A. said, “And what does believing in god have to do with anything?”
A lot. Not the least of which is a horror of forced abortion, of trying to play God with the persons entrusted to our care. If we don’t believe in God, then we have to take His place and make vital decisions ourselves. That disbelief–that doubting of God’s goodness and wisdom–was Adam’s sin in the garden of Eden.
Belief in God also makes the difference between heaven and hell, two realities which we already hint at in this life. On the one hand, there is the culture of life, in which people are treated with a measure of respect regardless of their age, ability, level of pain, and even sinful living. On the other hand, there is the culture of death, in which people live like yahoos and are put down like dogs, in which children (if they are not surgically or chemically killed) do not receive an inheritance but a debt–or the gift of AIDS.
If you believe that God is irrelevant, then you have already taken out a membership to hell. Actually we have that membership by default; our first father Adam procured it for us. It’s the identification of the second Adam–whom you must believe in–that gives us a membership to heaven.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction (the first proverb of King Solomon, Prov. 1:7),
And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding, in order that we might know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. (1 John 5:20)
you should know on a personal level that we care about you, we’re sorry for your losses, and that there is hope, forgiveness and restoration in the knowledge of Christ. He is the best friend you could ever have. He loves you and cares about you deeply and is ready and waiting to give you eternal life, whenever you are ready to receive it.
Ed
Posted by: Ed at April 26, 2009 10:48 PM
absolutely Ed!
However if one doesn’t believe in God then one has a very different view of life, the purpose of life and the very meaning of existence.
If there is no God, one likely does not believe that man has a special purpose set apart from animals. Each human being is not a unique individual with a special purpose – a necessity as Pope Benedict states. There is no belief in the afterlife and no belief in accountability to a higher authority for all of one’s personal actions.
So what if Hal’s two children were snuffed out? There really is nothing special about them – they were just blobs of cells who were an inconvenience at that particular time. Because they don’t have the perspective of a loving God who orders all things for their good, I’m guessing they were unable to see the possibilities in these children for the future.
That’s the difference between prolifers and proaborts – we look to the future. Proaborts have no future in mind.
I don’t understand living life from this point of view, but millions do so and are miserable for it.
Hal, I am completely in favor of the right to terminate pregnancy. I think everyone is.
I believe it should generally be terminated at 40 weeks gestation, give or take a couple weeks.
What, you think pregnancies don’t end eventually? You think that “forcing” a woman to stay pregnant another 6 months is tantamount to rape? The only way force is involved is if someone masquerading as a doctor forces her body to relinquish the fetal human being. All of us are fine with the woman deciding to have nothing to do with the child after carrying him or her for nine months (though few would say it is ideal). Pregnancy is a normal, healthy condition which almost always concludes itself within 40 weeks from conception.
Yet you pretend that the only way to become “unpregnant” is to kill the baby.
I can only conclude you hate babies.
But Jesus loves you and invites you to repent of your evil and trust in Him; He offers you eternal life.
I don’t hate babies. They’re cute.
Angel, I know you mean well by your comments. I know you don’t understanding living a life without a belief in God. On the other hand, I don’t understand how anyone could live a life based on such a belief. I’m not sure it explains our different views on abortion. I am quite sure many people who profess a belief in God support abortion rights. And, as we know, there are people who don’t believe in God who oppose abortion.
While I can conceive of a future where I change my view on abortion (don’t hold your breath) I cannot conceive of ever becoming Christian.
1Co 1.26
Lu 5.31-32
My heart mourns for the lost. The pain and suffering endured by these babies is intolerable and must be condemned by our society. However, it is nothing compared to the torment found in hell.
Hal said, “I am quite sure many people who profess a belief in God support abortion rights. And, as we know, there are people who don’t believe in God who oppose abortion.”
Those people who profess a belief in God and support abortion wrongs are either sheep being led astray or thieves and hirelings (like Mr. Jenkins?) pretending to be shepherds. Or perhaps they are Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or Buddhists, etc. Regardless, to a small or great degree, they end up worshiping a god of their own making; they are idolatrous.
Yes, there are some people who are not Christians who oppose abortion. There are also non-Christians who do not cheat on their income tax returns. They are still far from perfect and desperately need the same Messiah that the Christians trust in. Regardless, these individuals are relatively few; the pro-life movement is largely composed of Christians.
Hal one does not have to be a Christian to understand that abortion is the killing of a human being at the very earliest stage of it’s development.
If you support abortion, you support murder. They are one and the same. You support the killing of innocent persons under certain circumstances and one of those involves a very helpless young human being.
This is not only tragic it is unthinkable and barbaric.
“When men chose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything.”
— G.K. Chesterton
RSD: yes that’s one of my favorite quotes and certainly a truth, as our times are witness to, today.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Have a great day everyone.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Have a great day everyone.
Posted by: Hal at April 27, 2009 4:48 PM
the Hound of Heaven NEVER gives up.
For you Hal:
The Hound of Heaven
I fled Him, down the nights and down the days;
I fled Him, down the arches of the years;
I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways
Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears
I hid from Him, and under running laughter.
Up vistaed hopes I sped;
And shot, precipitated,
Adown Titanic glooms of chasmèd fears,
From those strong Feet that followed, followed after.
But with unhurrying chase,
And unperturbèd pace,
Deliberate speed, majestic instancy,
They beat — and a voice beat
More instant than the Feet —
“All things betray thee, who betrayest Me.”
For the rest of the poem:
http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~gbrandal/Illum_html/hound.html
About the name of the poem
‘The name is strange. It startles one at first. It is so bold, so new, so fearless. It does not attract, rather the reverse. But when one reads the poem this strangeness disappears. The meaning is understood. As the hound follows the hare, never ceasing in its running, ever drawing nearer in the chase, with unhurrying and imperturbed pace, so does God follow the fleeing soul by His Divine grace. And though in sin or in human love, away from God it seeks to hide itself, Divine grace follows after, unwearyingly follows ever after, till the soul feels its pressure forcing it to turn to Him alone in that never ending pursuit.
—The Neumann Press Book of Verse, 1988
Angel,
Please consider an alternative view.
We, the redeemed, were ALL formerly vessels of wrath, fit only for destruction. All of us warred against the Lamb, but the Lamb conquered us. Not by brute force, or trickery, or manipulation or bribery. He wooed us with HIS love. When we were yet HIS enemys, HE saw us as friends and children and brothers. HE did not pursue us like a hound pursues a hare. The hound has no thought for the good of the hare. The hound is a creature of instinct who’s only interest with regard to the hare, is filling his empty belly.
The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the LORD, but the destination is HIS love. The fear is not terror. It is an earned and demonstrated love worthy of deep and abiding awe and respect.
The LORD pursues us the way groom pursues his bride. HIS goal is to win our hearts by a manifested willingness to sacrifice HIS own life to save ours.
I used to view GOD as angry and arthritic old man with a cane in his hand just waiting and hoping that I would screw up so he could rap me on the knuckles with his staff.
Now that image will engender fear, but it will never produce love.
That is not the GOD I have come to know. The GOD I have come to know is a good and perfect father who has no illegtimate children. HE is not ashamed to call each and everyone of us HIS own and HE is not embarassed for us to call HIM our GOD.
‘religion’ has robbed us of our ‘relationship’ with HIM, but HE has committed HIMSELF to set us free from the traditions of men and the doctrines of demons that we may know HIM and we may be known by HIM.
For knowing HIM and the SON whom HE sent, as the firstborn among many sons destined for glory, is eternally abundant life.
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Ken
I think the point of the poem is that God never gives up on us, ever.
He is always open to our conversion and despite everything that we do against Him, he still wants us with Him in Heaven. But we have to want this to. God forces no one.