EMILY’s List: Promoting the opposite of what it is
EMILY’s List is a PAC with 1 sole goal: Elect Democrat pro-abort women to Congress (click to enlarge):
That’s all EMILY’s List is about. That’s all it does.
Which is why I found it strange when attending the EMILY’s List reception at last year’s Democrat convention that speakers – from EL prez Ellen Malcolm to Hillary to Michelle – barely alluded to the word “choice,” never mind “abortion.” In 1.5 hours of speeches, the topic about which everyone was in the room got no more than 3 minutes total.
I find this so totally strange. Imagine attending a pro-life banquet and having speakers talk about everything else under the sun. I’d think the organization had lost its way. I’d want my money back.
But pro-abortion organizations avoid the topic all the time! More than that, they pretend they’re about the opposite of abortion.
Case in point. I got an email from Ellen yesterday bragging on one of EL’s candidates Kirsten Gillibrand, who replaced Hillary as US senator from NY. She is supported, may I remind you, solely because she’s a raving pro-abort.
Ellen put together a nice photo album for us of Kirsten’s daily life. And here was the album cover…
Now I just don’t get this. Why would a pro-abort organization show off its pro-abort candidate holding a baby?
Next we see more warm and fuzzy photos of Kirsten with her kids (which creeps me out: how can women who’ve carried babies remain radical abortion activists?), albeit only to drive them to daycare and school, not to spend any time with them again that day except between the hours of 5-6p. Click all album pages to enlarge…
Note this page. The pro-abort organization touting the pro-abort candidate highlights her concern for baby product safety…
Here we see pictures painted by Gillibrand’s kids spotlighted, also prominent in the photo above…
Now we switch back to a pro-abort function without saying it, to “talk[ ] about her family”?
Gillibrand brags about a grandmother who would have been fine with her mother aborting her had grandma not decided first to abort her mother?
Why was this photo purposefully cropped to leave in the little girl?
Talk about mixed messages. Why doesn’t anyone question this bizarreness?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
There is nothing “bizarre” about it. Lots of us pro choicers love our children. You guys are the ones with the disconnect.
The reason they do this is precisely to show how happy life is when mama WANTS her child. Every aspect of her life is shown to be wonderful, because this portrays the pro-choice woman as responsible and positive.
What they neglect to leave out is that life does not always throw straight balls at you; it is how we handle curve balls that really shows what kind of strength of character we have.
Pro-choice supporters don’t realise that turning a difficult situation, such as a crisis pregnancy, into a positive life decision, comes from great integrity and character. These qualities are the real things that we admire in people, whereas choosing the way that seems “best” for one’s self will never be remembered as admirable. Just look at history and who we think of as “great”. Selfishness doesn’t usually cut it.
After all, abortion says “I abort you because I love myself”, whereas not aborting is saying “I make this choice because I love someone else.”
And yes pro-choice women do love their children, but only the ones they choose to love. They kill the ones they have decided not to love.
Pro-choicers are trying to re-invent their message. The soft tones and caring images belie the grisly business of tearing apart babies in in the womb.
What else would we expect, now that we are officially living in Orwell’s “1984” where everything is the opposite of what it appears to be?
I agree with Hal when he says that pro-choicers love their children. Pro-lifers love the pro-choicers’ children as well, we just go one step further. We assert that those children of pro-choicers that are slated for the abortionist’s suction machine are every bit as valuable and lovable as the born children pro-choicers love.
Julie,
good points.
Hal,
Correction. Pro-choicers love SOME of their children.
There is no mixed message. Pro-choice means pro-CHOICE. Choice includes the choice to have children.
Pro-choicers also believe decisions about the timing and spacing of one’s children improves the quality of life of the children and leads to happier, healthier families.
Also, I think a major goal of Emily’s List is to promote FEMALE candidates who are Democratic and pro-choice. Being pro-choice is a requirement, but not necessarily the focus. I have always perceived as getting more women into office. Thus, the focus is on the whole candidate. Clearly, they are a pro-choice organization but that doesn’t mean that pro-choice is the only thing they do.
Julie, Not all, or even most, pro-choice women have abortions. I never have and I am not aware of any friends who have either.
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Clearly, they are a pro-choice organization but that doesn’t mean that pro-choice is the only thing they do.
Posted by: Prochoicer at June 24, 2009 7:13 PM
Do you seriously think they would support Sarah Palin for president? Have they supported other pro life women candidates, such as Kay Baily Hutchinson or Elizabeth Dole?
No, they supported Kay Hagan because she is pro abortion.
Sorry just as I refuse to call an abortionist “doctor” I also refuse to use the term “pro choice.”
It’s too bad we have so few women conservatives in government. Three senators, but two of them are pro abort. We lost Elizabeth Dole I think at least partly because she ran a poor campaign.
There may be women conservatives in the house but I’m not familiar with them.
That’s why I hope it’s a DeMint/Palin ticket in 2012.
There is nothing “bizarre” about it. Lots of us pro choicers love our children. You guys are the ones with the disconnect.
Posted by: Hal at June 24, 2009 5:34 PM
you want disconnect? How about those people like yourself Hal who kill some of their children- the ones they don’t love enough to let live. That is the bottom line really. You can couch it in whatever excuses you had at the time: not enough money, interfering with schooling, timing bad, you big toe hurts, the moon is not in the constellation Virgo……
Again it’s all about choice isn’t it? You choose to love some children and choose not to love others. The latter get aborted.
I see you have no response to similar statements on this thread. I’m not surprised.
Joanne, at 7:19 p.m. I am not sure I understand how your comment is responsive to mine.
Yes, they are a pro-choice organization. No, they are NOT going to support female candidates who don’t share that agenda.
The point is that a large part of Emily’s List is getting more WOMEN in office. Notice that they aren’t promoting pro-choice men. So it is not JUST about pro-choice. So it doesn’t really surprise that they would have an event in which other issues are center stage.
Angel, judging by his handle, I highly doubt that Hal has ever had an abortion given that “Hal” is a male name.
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I see you have no response to similar statements on this thread. I’m not surprised.
Posted by: angel at June 24, 2009 7:28 PM
No response necessary. The comments are generally correct.
“Again it’s all about choice isn’t it? You choose to love some children and choose not to love others. The latter get aborted.”
Yep.
ok, I’m calling it a night folks. Have a nice evening.
Can we please get a conservative pro-life organization that does the same sort of thing EL does? Please?
Also, those jokes were great. The timing on the Ted Kennedy one was priceless. Can I copy/paste that to my facebook, please?
Hal, your post brought a lot of questions to my mind…if you get a chance, maybe you could answer some or all of them.
Did you and your wife feel the babies (the girls you carried to term) kicking in the womb and begin bonding with them before birth? Did you come up with names for them before they were born? Were you ever able to feel the baby hiccuping? What were your thoughts when you saw your baby on the ultrasound monitor?
After having felt them kick and having seen their form on the ultrasound (the 6 month ultrasound), would it have been hard for you to have aborted them had your wife decided she wanted to?
Prochoicer, Angel actually didn’t say Hal had an abortion. She said he killed his children.
Bethany, I assumed she was referring to abortion????
Prochoicer, if I gave money to a hitman to murder someone, would I not be a part in killing the person who he killed?
Prochoicer, you were acting like Angel was saying that Hal himself physically had an abortion. I was correcting you, as she never said that.
KBHVAC, the jokes were hilarious. I agree with you, Joanne…I also refuse to call an abortionist ‘Doctor’.
Yes in TN when pro life votes come up the ACLU and PP started having men and women bringing small children into the committee rooms including one breast feeding mother and they wore buttons that said Father by Choice or Mother by Choice. They wanted to get away from the angry feminist type or the TN guerrilla women type (that is actually the name of a radical group of women call themselves and they are downright scary to look at.
Here’s their thought process. If the baby is wanted-LIVE but if you are unwanted then DIE and they have bought the lie that it is all about ME and therefore what I want prevails.Thus the basis of Roe versus Wade is that the woman has dominion over the baby in the womb.
“Again it’s all about choice isn’t it? You choose to love some children and choose not to love others. The latter get aborted.”
Yep.
Posted by: Hal at June 24, 2009 7:47 PM
truly very sad.
As Fr. Pavone said, men also chose abortion. Hal chose abortion along with his wife. The result is two dead children.
Can we please get a conservative pro-life organization that does the same sort of thing EL does? Please?
Posted by: xalisae at June 24, 2009 8:02 PM
Yes, it’s the Susan B. Anthony List.
I need to hear about this more on the news. I’ve heard of EL, never Susan B. Anthony List.
Xalisae, here is the link to their organization:
http://www.sba-list.org/site/c.ddJBKJNsFqG/b.4009925/k.BE63/Home.htm
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“But pro-abortion organizations avoid the topic all the time! More than that, they pretend they’re about the opposite of abortion.”
Because it’s not about women’s rights, it has ALWAYS been about money and power.
If pro-aborts say what they are they lose every time.
It’s classic bait and switch.
They shouldn’t be politicians and lobbyists they should all be used car salesmen.
It’s all about image, which means it’s all about deception. It’s so warm and fuzzy it’s almost on overload; I guess someone edited out the kittens, puppies and baby ducklings. And getta load of the font — all middle-school and Facebook friendly. The chosen children are the loved children; the chosen children are the happy children in the happy family, and then one chosen child is handed off to strangers all day to be raised while pro-choice mom works, and then by late afternoon, the chosen children get pawned off to a baby sitter, live-in nanny or au pair, while mom goes out to work the hill. It’s so easy, wonderful and fullfilling to be a mom when it only takes about two hours of your day! But remember, that’s all *quality* time!
It just wouldn’t look pretty if they had pictures of aborted babies in there now would it? Why is it no one wants to see what *that* choice looks like? It’s the choice in pro-choice.
In her office she’s concerned about children’s products that she has in her home and uses on her children might not be safe, yet she’s not the least bit bothered that she works to ensure that unborn children here and around the world can continue to be murdered.
But we can all rest easier knowing she’s concerned about Human Rights. Let’s see, might that not include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I betcha she’d be unable to answer just when a baby gets human rights, probably above her pay grade, too
It’s almost comical.
There is nothing “bizarre” about it. Lots of us pro choicers love our children. You guys are the ones with the disconnect.
“Wanted” babies should be loved and cherished and given the best stuff money can buy etc. “Unwanted” babies should be hacked to pieces in the womb. This is not difficult to understand.
So, why don’t they mention abortion at Emily’s List meetings? Wait… I know there’s an answer… is it because abortion is the shredding of embryos and hacking to pieces of foetuses? And because that’s not a very nice thing to do?
I’d imagine that’s the answer.
There is no mixed message. Pro-choice means pro-CHOICE. Choice includes the choice to have children.
Well, that explains why they spend most of their time not talking about one of those “choices.”
I need to hear about this more on the news. I’ve heard of EL, never Susan B. Anthony List.
Posted by: xalisae at June 24, 2009 10:13 PM
That is because the media are totally pro-abortion. That’s why it’s such hard slog for the pro-life side, even though we are obviously right.
” You guys are the ones with the disconnect.”
Ummm…I’d say that paying Dr. Blank to kill and incinerate little Billy so you can afford private school and riding lessons for Suzy is one hell of a disconnect. But that’s just me.
Bethany, I see. The accusation is that Hal paid for someone else’s abortion. That wasn’t at all clear.
Heh. Now Luana is going after Senator Gillibrand for having a job that takes her away from her children most of the day. Maybe that’s why efforts like the Susan B. Anthony list to promote female pro-choice candidates don’t do quite so well — because your base thinks women should be tending to child care duties all day.
There is no mixed message. Pro-choice means pro-CHOICE. Choice includes the choice to have children.
Pro-choicers also believe decisions about the timing and spacing of one’s children improves the quality of life of the children and leads to happier, healthier families.
Posted by: Prochoicer at June 24, 2009 7:07 PM
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Motherhood is a profession that pays MORE than a desk job anyday, as it is a priceless and rewarding profession.
I LOVE Susan B Anthony List. I am on their mailing list.
Susan B. Anthony was a TRUE Feminist in her time.
The feminists back then believed abortion was “child murder”
Prochoicer, just to make things clearer (and I hope I don’t overstep my bounds by speaking for Hal, since this is all “common knowledge” here), Hal and his wife have kids and have also had two abortions. Hal used to talk more about it but there was some kind of kerfuffle, I think it started with Hal being asked to share more personal/emotional information about his wife re: the abortions (?) and declining to do so. In the course of that it came out that people felt Hal was being disingenuous sharing his half of the story and not hers; and that Hal’s descriptions of his own reaction to the abortions upset members here who have had miscarriages.
Hal agreed not to discuss the abortions after that. The conversation is mostly here, except for a comments or two: https://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/08/barack_obama_pr.html
Posted by: Bethany at June 24, 2009 8:18 PM
Hal, your post brought a lot of questions to my mind…if you get a chance, maybe you could answer some or all of them.
Did you and your wife feel the babies (the girls you carried to term) kicking in the womb and begin bonding with them before birth?
Yes
Did you come up with names for them before they were born?
Yes
Were you ever able to feel the baby hiccuping?
don’t recall hiccuping. Kicking and moving.
What were your thoughts when you saw your baby on the ultrasound monitor?
Love, tenderness, excitement.
After having felt them kick and having seen their form on the ultrasound (the 6 month ultrasound), would it have been hard for you to have aborted them had your wife decided she wanted to?
Yes.
Hal, I hope you don’t mind me having jumped in for a second. I know I almost never talk directly to you (except to tell you that, in terms of Office characters, I most closely identify you as a heterosexual version of Oscar). I tend to talk kind of alongside you instead, but I really respect you and like you.
I see, I didn’t the back story and I got totally confused. Thanks for clarifying, Alexandra.
Hal gave me the worse insult/compliment I’ve ever had. He once told me I would make a good lawyer.
Hi Alexandra, no problem. I like you too!
I followed that link, it was like a time machine. The internet doesn’t ever forget, does it?
xalisae, a “good lawyer” is a very high compliment. One thing I know, we could use more good lawyers.
Because of some past experiences I’ve had with the judicial system, my opinion of lawyers and the entire scheme is rather negative. However, if you think there is such a thing as a “good lawyer”, I’ll just hope your experience is more broad than mine and take your word for it. Thank you! :P
Ummm…I’d say that paying Dr. Blank to kill and incinerate little Billy so you can afford private school and riding lessons for Suzy is one hell of a disconnect. But that’s just me.
Posted by: xalisae at June 25, 2009 3:29 AM
LOL! Now THAT was good.
Oh my, Alexandra. Thank you for the blast from the past!! :)
The word for today is “kerfuffle.”
lol, Carla! I’ve been trying to do my part to ensure that people here only have to tolerate me in small doses.
I do not tolerate you, Alexandra. You are a delight and I adore you!!!
You (in)advertently make a good point, Carla. We don’t tolerate things or people we like. You can only tolerate things, people, or ideas that you don’t like. I think the tolerance apologists should keep that in mind.
I second that, Carla! 12:18
Hal, thank you for your post at 9:13 AM.
Great point about tolerance, Bobby.
Oh I know YOU think I’m insanely awesome, Carla! We’re chair cousins, how could you not?
I was just making a tongue-in-cheek comment about how in that thread said I would be less candid in the future, since sharing my experiences or emotions is hurtful to others here.
in re: Posted by: Joanne at June 24, 2009 7:19 PM
I also REFUSE to call a baby in the womb a fetus. That is a medical term. A baby was a baby was baby until they decided it didn’t sound as bad to call them a fetus – a term never used in converstaion outside a doctor’s office.
Remember – real doctor’s don’t kill babies.
There is no mixed message. Pro-choice means pro-CHOICE. Choice includes the choice to have children.
Pro-choicers also believe decisions about the timing and spacing of one’s children improves the quality of life of the children and leads to happier, healthier families.
Posted by: Prochoicer at June 24, 2009 7:07 PM
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Totally agree until your decision of when to have a baby involves murdering the one that is conceived that doesn’t fit your timeline.