Best sign at DC Tea Party
RedState.com has a photo essay from the DC Tea Party today. Here was the best sign…
And 2nd best…
Sep.12, 2009 6:24 pm |
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RedState.com has a photo essay from the DC Tea Party today. Here was the best sign…
And 2nd best…
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Both of those signs are so very true!
So the first sign is a pro-tax sign? Doesn’t that contradict the Tea Baggers’ whole point? :-)
Supeeeeerb signs, ladies. Superb.
Wonderful, mind if I borrow them?
Re the first sign, we can add 20 million or so “undocumented aliens” would not have filled the vacuum created by our killing our own children.
we can add 20 million or so “undocumented aliens” would not have filled the vacuum created by our killing our own children
Riiiiiiiiiight. People seeking a better life from from over 200 countries would take one look at us and think, “oh there are too many young minimum wage workers. I’m staying home.”
Prez Obortion and Gangster Bamkster Gov has us at 23.7 TRILLION $$$ as of today. That kind of $$$ has the entire world raising eyebrows and wondering how vulnerable are we as a populace and nation.
Very pathetic. $23.7 Trillion. Puff! Gone!
A protest sign is worth a 1,000 words…….
The First Sign is SOOOOO TRUE!
DullGrin:
Go take a course in Economics 101 and then comment intelligently.
I also suggest a redo of 7th grade math.
Great signs!
Too bad Phil is such a sour puss and doesn’t understand the SENTIMENT behind the 53 million dead babies!
Very sad Mr. Phil!
Bevy, what are you talking about??? Obviously Phil gets the sentiment. He’s talking to Dhalgren who doesn’t seem to understand that Medicare and Social Security implode upon themselves when there aren’t enough younger workers paying into the system to support the older retirees. It’s not pro-tax, but it is common sense… if you insist on having systems set up like a Ponzi scheme, you need to have the influx of fresh worker contributions.
But hey, I’m doing my part to support your social security!
Lizbeth:
Thx much!
Bevy needs to study English and Critical Thinking 101.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Eph 6:12
Dahlgren:
Are you saying we have undocumented aliens from over 200 countries? Again, managed legal immigration is great, and I have yet to meet a single person that is opposed to illegal immigration say they are also opposed to legal immigration.
I have seen first hand the debilitating effects of millions of illegal aliens on American workers’ ability to negotiate decent wages. Having participated in labor negotiations, the biggest ace management holds is their knowledge that if their employees turn down their paltry offer, that there are many others who are so desparate that they would would work for next to nothing.
If you are OK with a steadily declining standard of living, then you should be for open borders. However, economic and cultural assimilation reasons for limiting immigration aside, there are security issues as well with our non-existent or lax immigration laws enforcement. It is well documented that aliens from hostile countries use our southern borders to gain access to our country. Who these people are and how many of them and what their ultimate intentions are–these are serious questions that should give clear thinking people pause to ponder.
Jerry, that first one is not necessarily a pro-tax sign. I don’t know exactly what the protestor was thinking, but it could be interpreted another way that is equally logical. It’s not necessarily supporting the status-quo tax regime. It could just as easily be read as saying that if people had allowed their children to live, perhaps those children would be able to take care of them now that they’re old instead of relying on Medicare.
Jeremy Paul,
So, in your mind, miscarriage is murder?
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“Second, the number of miscarriages during the past 36 years is more than that–so, she’d better tell God to quit aborting in utero.”
As many as 1/3 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. That means, it’s very likely that many women who will read your comment have experienced miscarriage (such as myself). You think it’s a good idea to equate their loss with intentional killing? That’s some pretty hardcore insensitivity.
“Second, the number of miscarriages during the past 36 years is more than that–so, she’d better tell God to quit aborting in utero.”
As many as 1/3 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. That means, it’s very likely that many women who will read your comment have experienced miscarriage (such as myself). You think it’s a good idea to equate their loss with intentional killing? That’s some pretty hardcore insensitivity. Besides that, how does bringing up natural miscarriage discount the protestor’s point that killing unborn Americans means less revenue? We are unable to stop miscarriages, but we are able to refrain from killing unborn children.
Also, if I believe your calculations, how does that discount her point? Your data indicates that there may have been less eliminated revenue than the lady’s sign indicates, but again, it doesn’t alter the point that killing a significant segment of the population means less revenue for social programs.
Jeremy,
You are correct, both abortion and miscarriage end a pregnancy.
Perhaps abortion is not legally murder, it’s debatable, but you can’t deny that abortion kills the baby that “caused” the pregnancy in the first place.
“Most of the tea partiers were basically there to show contempt for Obama. Very Christian of them.”
Posted by: John Dickinson at September 13, 2009 10:25 PM
When did Christians lose the right to free speech? If there’s contempt, it is for the policy, not the man.
The word ‘hate’ has been so trivialized. Its becoming a worn-out conversation stopper.
Hate BHO? Gimme a break. Show me the signs that claim hatred for the president.
Janette, thanks for standing up to people who blindly equate forced abortion with spontaneous abortion. Besides being inaccurate from a medical standpoint, it is incredibly rude to women like myself who have lost little ones through miscarriage.
John,
Don’t forget to call us all racist too. Anyone who disagrees with any of the president’s policies must be a racist as well.
71% of people DO NOT support tax payer funded abortion. Me included. But I am just highlighting my political agenda, of course.
I don’t know. How many times?
I am wondering why you would come to a prolife blog and start spouting about miscarriage and God’s will when so many of us have had them? There are many of us here that grieve our children that have died by miscarriage and abortion.
Can hardly wait for your next illuminating comment.
Will you anti-choicers please stop calling fetuses babies ? It’s ridiculous to call them babies. A baby is a born infant .
And even if Roe v Wade had not been decided the way it was, there still would have been a very ‘large number or abortions, probably not much smaller then the ones that have taken place legally. And remember that abortion was already legal in some US states before 1973.
That sign is ridiculous. This woman is deluding herself.
No can do. Sorry Robert Berger. I will not stop referring to the two babies I miscarried and the one who died in abortion BABIES! They are my babies. Babies grow in their mommies wombs. Even my 3 year old knows that.
Good luck on your new crusade though. Screaming “THEY ARE JUST FETUSES!” at the top of your lungs should get more people to the proabort side pretty quickly.
Those of you who follow finance may be familiar with David Merkel of Finacorp. He directs a group of institutional investors and pension fund managers.
He also has a blog about the financial scene.
http://alephblog.com
There he has posted his presentation to the Society of Actuaries in 2007.
If you don’t believe or understand the sign the woman is holding, check out his presentation. Thousands of pension underwriters have run the numbers and know she is right.
http://alephblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/SOA%20Presentation.pdf
“Will you anti-choicers please stop calling fetuses babies ?”
Absolutely… once they stop being killed. We will concede the semantic war to your side once the killings stop.
Second, the number of miscarriages during the past 36 years is more than that–so, she’d better tell God to quit aborting in utero.
Posted by: Jeremy Paul at September 13, 2009 6:48 PM
God has unique privilege over life and death. We don’t.
Carla,
You beat me to it. I was going to tell Robert to show any 5 year old a picture of a fetus in the womb and ask them what it is. A “fetus” is a medical term, but “baby” is certainly correct colloquially at any point during gestation.
Robert, ask your mother if you were a baby or fetus inside of her. I doubt she’d say fetus unless she was one of those early feminists, and then that would explain a lot about your defensive attitude about abortion.
“Born infant” is redundant. An infant is a born baby. A fetus is an unborn baby.
“Most of the tea partiers were basically there to show contempt for Obama. Very Christian of them.”
Posted by: John Dickinson at September 13, 2009 10:25 PM
Christians are required to defend the truth and the innocent, even at their own peril. Pro aborts support violence and killing. The worst you can say about us is that we showed “contempt”? Big deal. Another privileged whiner.
Brent,
I like your analogy comparing an abortionist to a hit man.
I agree, Brent. It certainly always depends on each individual situation how much or what kind of punishment there is, but like Scott Klusendorff says “What is wrong with saying that if you break a law, then there will be a punishment for breaking said law?” (I’m paraphrasing)
Brent,
I agree with Bobby, that it depends on the situation. I still tend to want to put the primary criminal responsibility on the abortionist. Especially since abortion has been legal for so long. There will be many women out there begging their OB/GYN to do the abortion…..
The doctor is a trained professional. Some women who abort are ignorant of what they are doing. Society has told them that an unwanted pregnancy is just a “problem to be dealt with”.
I’m not sure what the penalty for abortion should be after it’s illegal. My inclination is to say let’s make it illegal and then deal with the penalties. What about LARGE monetary fines? Perhaps partially donated back to the woman whose baby was aborted for “pain and suffering”. That might be a good deterrent. Perhaps community service at a women’s center for the aborting woman so she can learn how to help other women like herself in the future.
Making abortion illegal will keep many women from aborting. I would never have had one if it had been illegal.
How about we find out what is compelling women to want an abortion? Being forced by parents, husbands, boyfriends?? Ignorant of fetal development? Need a job, a place to live a kind soul to help her out? Maybe adoption would be something she would consider?
What is your point about “victims” Brent?
Robert,
I have no problem using the word fetus. It’s just another stage in the life of a human being.
Since a lot of people don’t speak Latin, let’s also use the terms offspring and little one, both are basic translations. And that way the humanity of the fetus isn’t obscured.
Brent,
All women who get abortions are victims of the industry that makes its money by killing. They are preyed upon and sold abortion whether they WANTED one or not. Your contempt for some of these women is what I am wondering about. To live with the knowledge that you had one of your own children killed is punishment enough, thankyouverymuch.
nony, “God has unique privilege over life and death. We don’t.”
Setting aside the issue of abortion, not your definition of God, not Allah, not Bhudda, and not you has a say in when I wish to depart this life. It is up to me and me alone.”
Posted by: Jeremy Anderson at September 14, 2009 10:29 AM
Are you high?
The end of your life isn’t up to you any more than the beginning was. You could be dead of a heart attack before I finish typing.
Very few choose suicide, and I don’t recommend it to you.
I wish you the best.
Religious people credit God for life, but just being an atheist doesn’t magically give you what I would call, ” a say in when I wish to depart this life. It is up to me and me alone.” Not by a long shot.
How can you guys listen to all the feministas blather about how knowledgeable they are when seeking abortions, how many they’ve had, their “I don’t regret my abortion” talk, “The rights of the pregnant woman outweigh the rights of her child”…
How can you hear all of that and think that a woman can’t possibly be held liable by law for seeking/attempting/obtaining an abortion if Roe V. Wade is overturned?
Women can’t be seen as responsible parties one moment and victims the next just to suit your agenda. Either they are culpable, or they are not, and from what I’ve seen, I’d most definitely say they are. These women know what they’re doing and do it remorselessly because they see themselves at the center of their own private universes. They would deserve whatever sentence you would hand down to a woman who paid a hitman to get rid of her inconvenient child, because that is exactly what she did.
And carla, I understand that you now know that what you did in the past is wrong, but I’d have to say that women like you are in the minority by far, and the law should be shaped with that in mind. I know too many women who didn’t abort when things were at their most bleak and too many women who did abort just because they didn’t happen to feel like being mommies at the time/it would interfere with their social calendar not to call a spade a spade here and treat the women as the liable citizens they are.
I am sorry to see you type that, X. I have had the privilege of watching many women who were hardened to their own experience, who KNEW and are what you would say remorseless, become broken and ask Christ for forgiveness.
Abortion is a spiritual battle, first and foremost. When a woman has her own child killed, whether a “victim” or not she is wounded spiritually. Only Jesus can heal a post abortive mom.
I guess I still don’t understand the SOMEONES GOTTA PAY attitude.
I don’t think it’s fair to say “That doctor killed someone!” while completely ignoring it to be at the behest of the woman who had to first provide access to her uterus in order for him to do so. It’s not being objective and logical to say that a woman has no culpability in this.
There are many inmates who eventually come to the realization that what they did was indeed wrong, and also ask their makers for forgiveness, and go on to live good lives once their debt is paid, some even having to live those lives behind bars in life sentences because that is what the law deemed appropriate. It didn’t mean that those people got a special pass because they were sorry they did it, they still had to do their time.
And, I happen to think the idea of having to do some hard time for their actions might give the “I had an abortion because I didn’t want to get fat-omg, did I break a nail?!” crowd some real pause for thought before even thinking about something like abortion.
X,
What is a woman who is hardened, heartless and out there saying I Had An Abortion? A woman who doesn’t believe what she did was wrong. That was me. I was so angry and hardened and would have bought the t-shirt if I hadn’t been so drunk and thinking up ways to kill myself.
What good will incarcerating women who don’t regret their abortions do? I do so get the sense of justice that you are seeking. BUT there is a before and after to every abortion recovery story out there.
I love talking with you, btw. Your comments are always passionate and so freaking honest. Love it.
“Janette, I am not equating abortion with miscarriages per se.”
If you were not equating miscarriage with abortion, why bring it up as ammunition against the point that abortion eliminates a portion of potential revenue for social programs? The “well, sometimes unborn babies die anyway” argument is a poor attempt at moral equivalency at the expense of post-miscarriage women.
“However, I am equating miscarriages to acts of God in many cases, but we all know it’s OK if God aborts a pregnancy, don’t we?”
No, it’s absolutely not ok when a pregnancy naturally aborts – it’s a tragedy. And I’m not seeking to blame a spiritual entity or anyone else for natural death. I see no other reason to proport that “we all know it’s OK if God aborts a pregnancy, don’t we?” other than an attempt to characterize abortion as a religious issue (it’s not) or stereotype pro-lifers as motived primarily by religious feelings (we’re not).
That comment was meant for Jeremy Paul, by the way.
And sorry for the accidental double post earlier.
Posted by: carla at September 14, 2009 3:34 PM
What you’re saying makes sense. IMHO, It’s easy to demonize the aborting woman, but man, the doctor who aborts is EVIL with a capital E-V-I-L. I can sympathize with a woman who doesn’t have the capacity at a certain time in her life to carry a baby to term and raise it, but the decision to work as an abortionist is an ongoing one, day-in, day-out , with vacations, cocktail parties, school plays, and whatever he/she does on the side. On a scale of one to one-hundred, where one-hundred is the worst, the abortionist rates a 100. I have no sympathy for him. Abortionists need our prayers. Let’s not forget to pray for them. Lord, have mercy on their souls.
Posted by: Janette at September 14, 2009 3:37 PM
Very well stated. Thank you!
Carla,
I’m so sorry for what you and all women who regret their abortions have been through. Thanks to you, they know there is life after abortion with healing and forgiveness.
To those who are post-abortive Catholics and afraid to go back to Church, don’t despair. Go. Love, support and forgiveness await you. God bless you!
Brent Bubaker:
“partial birth abortion” is an oxymoron–one cannot be “partially birthed” more than one can be “partially dead”–the term was purposely invented as a misleading way to inflame):
Brent, of course you can be partially born.
During partial birth abortion, the baby IS partially birthed before having it’s brains sucked out.
It is intentionally prevented from being born all of the way before being killed. If the head is still in there, the baby is not completely born yet.
The PBA abortion is performed while the birth is still in progress and only partially complete.
Partial Birth Abortion is a correct term.
Brent, I disagree. Why the semantics game?
A birth partially complete is a partial birth.
What do you call it when a twin who has had his leg and foot outside of the womb, then it is brought entirely back in again, only for his twin to be born first? This does happen. The first twin would have been partially born first, then fully born later.
What do you call it when a baby is stuck in the birth canal? Would you call that a complete birth?
To those who are post-abortive Catholics and afraid to go back to Church, don’t despair. Go. Love, support and forgiveness await you. God bless you!
Posted by: Janet at September 14, 2009 4:01 PM
amen sister! But not just Catholics any post-abortive woman who thinks she’s dirt and doesn’t deserve God’s love – you couldn’t be more WRONG. God came to save sinners like me and you. So hurry up and come back to God. He misses you! ;)
I find it totally hypocritical that you may not want to the government to decide end of life decisions for you (and thus want laws against physician assisted suicide because you are afraid of that slippery slope), but you want the government to prevent me from my end of life decisions.
Posted by: Jeremy Anderson at September 14, 2009 1:59 PM
The way I see it, you’re perfectly free to end your life. There are many creative ways of so doing. Our government need not facilitate the ending of your life to allow it. I wouldn’t pass a law to stop 16-year-olds from having sex, but I wouldn’t facilitate them having sex, either.
Mr. Paul,
Legally allowing a doctor to end the life of an otherwise healthy individual is facilitating suicide.
If you’d like to kill yourself at any time, go about your business. Our gov’t has no right to give a doctor the right to murder, consensual or no.
“partial birth abortion” is an oxymoron–one cannot be “partially birthed” more than one can be “partially dead”–the term was purposely invented as a misleading way to inflame)”
HA. Why the semantics game, you ask?
Because people like Brent are trying to justify abortion to themselves because they think that birth is the magical act which confers personhood on a dirty, unworthy fetus, so the partial-birth abortion is a gray area to them. They don’t think a fetus is worthy of life until fully born, so they would openly support partial-birth abortion. Except for the fact 99% of normal and rational-thinking people find it to be an absolutely revolting and disgusting act that turns their stomach at the mere thought, and Brent would hate to be thought of as an unsavory individual like that. When one interrupts the creation of an actual individual mid-way that they don’t think they should be able to freely eliminate as they would step on a cockroach, their logic falls apart.
Sorry, Brent, but people are not just *POOFED* into existence in a split-second process, not-human one moment and human the next. If you actually HAD a uterus and actually HAD carried another person inside you and given birth to them, you might possibly be able to understand this.
Bethany, why the “semantics game”? There is no semantics game here. On a birth certificate, what time is recorded on it that designates a person is born? Is it one particular minute or 5 to 10 minutes?
When the baby has come fully out, that is the time recorded as birth.
Doctors don’t record it as being a complete birth when the head or some other body part is still in the body. Have you ever seen this happen?
Birth is not a moment where a person comes into existence- it is a moment in life where a little person moves from one location to the next. Birth is not the opposite of death.
Conception is though.
Thank you, Carla. If I’m lyin’, I’m dyin’.
I understand that some women just need a caring person to get them to see the error of their ways. But that doesn’t change their current attitudes, the fact of what they have done, and the fact that a lot of women have no desire to acknowledge their wrongs and never will.
I admire and respect your ability to spread the message you do-one that sorely needs to be voiced by the way-but I can’t look past heard and read and seen myself. These women are telling me what their mothers and grandmothers told them:
That they’re glad they had their abortions, that they wanted those abortions, and that women need those abortions.
I can’t operate based on what they might actually think or feel, I can only make decisions based on what they say and do.
As for 5 to 10 minutes, what are you talking about? The time the baby is in the birth canal?
It usually it took me about an hour or two of pushing and intense contractions before my babies were completely out, once they started coming.
Sometimes the head would be out for several minutes before the rest of the body came out. In that circumstance, was the head born and the body not born? Or was the baby not born at all?
Should the doctors have recorded the head birth as being such and such time, and the body birth as being such and such time- or would you consider a baby halfway through to be not born at all?
I mean, if you’re either born or not born, please tell me what you call it when half of the baby is out and half is in. Please tell me what you would call that.
Robert Berger- You wrote:
Will you anti-choicers please stop calling fetuses babies ? It’s ridiculous to call them babies. A baby is a born infant .
Nope, you’re wrong.
When a fetus is born, it becomes a neonate. Please stop calling born fetuses babies when they are actually neonates. It’s incorrect and ridiculous.
Brent, you have avoided many of my questions.
Bethany, you say birth is not the opposite of death–conception is. Wrong. If something is dead, it is no longer living. But, sperm and egg were both living before conception, so there really can be no opposite of death, whether it is birth or conception, unless it is the point where two cells divide and eventually become sperm, eggs.
Brent, the sperm and the egg are alive- yes. But a *human being* is not alive until the sperm and the egg unite and “become one”. The human being comes into existence at conception, and goes out of existence at death.
Hello again Xalisae,
The women you know that say those things are in the darkness. They cannot face what they have done but they do know it was wrong. Somewhere deep down they know. They want to believe it never bothered them or hurt them or killed their babies. They want others to have abortions too so they can feel justified.
I pray about them everyday, they need what only Jesus can offer.
When abortion become illegal again, I might agree that women seeking one should be arrested.
“xalisae, you haven’t a clue. “People like me”?”
Yes. Unless you’re NOT advocating legal abortion, I’m talking about you and those who do as well as yourself. “People like you.”
By the way, you’ve not said word one in response to my actual message. That says more to me than anything else, really.
Bethany, when you say, “The human being comes into existence at conception, and goes out of existence at death,” what is your definition of “human being”? It can hardly be a “being” at conception. And, it is “human” prior to conception.
It is a being from the moment that the two fuse into one.
No, please, tell me where exactly am I mistaken. I’m dying to hear this explanation.
bethany, that is your opinion and the opinion of others.
It’s Science, Brent. My opinion is based on and supported by Scientific evidence.
By the way, is there a reason you haven’t you answered my questions?
And, it is “human” prior to conception.
Posted by: Brent Brubaker at September 14, 2009 8:20 PM
The law of biogenesis says a species produces after its own kind. Two humans reproducing always produces a human, not a dog, not a fish. Life is a continuum that from its logical start at conception only requires the “additions” of nutrition, oxygen and time to grow. I say logical start because at the moment of fertilization, every characteristic of that person is determined: sex, eye color, height (again, given adequate nutrition), musical ability, and the like. There is nothing that changes biologically from that point on, barring a toxic environment (I’m thinking of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) but again, that’s a variable in those additions.
” It can hardly be a “being” at conception. ”
Brent,
To be is to exist. I’d say if there’s an “it”, then “it” exists (as a being) – IMHO.
Xalisae,
Your comments make perfect sense to me. You too Bethany, good job.
… and cancer would be cured and who knows what other societal plagues would have been eradicated BUT …
Any interruption in the life continuum–whether by a willful, deliberate act of an abortionist at 8 weeks after conception, negligence of a 6 month old infant, an ATV accident at age 13, and so on, halts the life process. So death’s opposite is accurately conception, when that process began.
And just for the record, Brent, I agree 100% that the unborn ought to be as equally protected as the born. Susan Smith drowned her two young boys because her boyfriend didn’t want them. She is in prison and vilified. The same scenario plays out daily at abortuaries and these women are “exercising their right to privacy”. Some may argue (rightly so) that expectant mothers are ignorant of the fact that their babies/fetuses/embryos are, in fact, ALIVE, something SS couldn’t be, but the end results are the same. Only the legality differs. The ignorance factor is the reason why abortion providers do not encourage women to view their ultrasounds. 80% of them who do, choose life. One could argue the other 20% could be composed of those whose fears of having the baby outweighed the expected and promised ‘relief’, and of those who are, frankly, calloused serial aborters (who I agree, Carla, need forgiveness, but I see these women regularly, too).
Brent, have a good night.
By the way, I am still very interested in understanding your view of when a human being begins existing, and why not at conception. If you happen to decide you’re up to talking about it later, just let me know. Thanks!
And it’s not just the women who are ignorant, but our society as a whole. I had the privelege of attending a CBR event yesterday and Mark Harrison presented some telling poll results:
When polled on acceptance of abortion by trimester, 61% of Americans polled where OK with 1st trimester abortions, 15% w/2nd and 7% with 3rd. When the questions asked were:
Are you okay with abortions after a heartbeat is detectable? 58% said NO. After brainwaves are detectable? 61% say NO. {Heartbeat at 21 days, brain waves at 6 weeks.} These two criteria are the standard for ‘life’ when someone is in a coma state. The poll results show people really have very little knowledge about embryology and fetal development.
Yikes, I’m tired.
*privilege and *were polled
Yikes, I’m tired.
*privilege and *were OK
That is very interesting, Klynn73! It’s all in the way that it is presented, isn’t it? People need to be more informed about fetal development.
Masturbation is an interruption in the life continuum. Live sperm died.
Sperm are not human organisms.
bethany, but it is an interruption in the life continuum. Since both sperm and egg must be alive and vigorous to unite and initiate a viable offspring, life is not the spark that begins at conception (or any time thereafter) but is a continuation through all generations from the moment that uniqueness we call life began
Jim, the beginning of the life of a human organism begins at conception. No one is debating whether the sperm and egg are alive- we all agree on this. There is no reason not to believe that a human organism does not begin it’s unique new life at conception.
Okay it’s too late for me to be debating. That should have read, “There is no reason to believe that a human organism does not begin it’s unique new life at conception.”
Mr. Paul,
I agree that we should respect the individual’s and family’s right to refuse care, particularly in the instances of individuals in vegetative states. As far as feeling otherwise responsible for their situation, I’m a firm believer of actions having consequences. You choose to attempt suicide, you’d better educate yourself and do it right.
Again, though, I agree that no one but you, your doctor and your family should have any say whatsoever in what treatments you receive.
That said, you can put all the pretty innocuous terms on murder and it’s still an individual killing another individual. It’s still a human life being ended by another human. It’s still corrupt, and I still dislike the idea of my government condoning and facilitating it.
But you’re correct, legal or illegal, there are doctors who will continue to offer assisted suicide. Again, I just don’t condone it, and don’t really appreciate government facilitation of said behaviors.
I’m not sure if I understand your point.
I mean, obviously a sperms’ life can be interrupted..Ovum life can be interrupted as well. We all understand and agree on that.
I’m just wondering what your point is in saying it, as though it means something. Is there something you’re trying to get at (other than the idea that human life doesn’t begin at conception)? Because I can’t seem to understand what other point you might have in making those statements here.
I’ve got to run for now but will be back later.
brent, I answered your posts, I explained that I agree that if a doctor is punished for performing an abortion, a woman should also to a degree for allowing an abortion.
All you did was condescend to me and dance around my comments because I guess you were expecting me to be a hypocrite and say “Oh, no, the poor victimized woman shouldn’t be prosecuted, oh no!” and I didn’t.
Brent, you did not disprove anything that Klynn73 said by your reference to sperm being killed.
The opposite of death still is conception because conception is the moment that a human being comes into existence, and death is the moment that a human being leaves.
Sperm dying does halt the “life continuum”, but not for a human being. Klynn was clearly referring to a human being’s life cycle, not the life cycle of a sperm or an ovum.
“My main concern, once again, is that if the unborn is equal to the born concerning human rights, then women who have ILLEGAL abortions if abortion is criminalized again don’t get an automatic pass concerning the criminal justice system. And, if the unborn is innocent, then rape and incest are not defenses for obtaining an abortion should abortion be criminalized.”
I think we’re all totally in agreement with these statements.
I agree, Bobby.
Why bother guys? Brent will just ignore you if he doesn’t think he can call you a hypocrite.
Brent,
“Also, I notice a couple of my posts did not register, in which I agreed with Jim Aroyo concerning the life continuum. ”
I’m sorry, I can’t seem to find the comments (I’m a moderator here). Usually if people make a post with a link it goes to spam or pending folder, but I just don’t see them. Maybe they got lost in cyber space. Try again, I guess.
Well, looks like you’re just making gross generalizations all around, and none are coming out too well for you, are they? Perhaps you should rethink your assumptions?
See? That’s all you’ll ever say. You just tell me I’m mistaken, don’t say squat about WHY I am mistaken, and then either ignore me or change the subject.
That’s not true. I’m pro-contraception, and I’ve never had a post deleted.
Maybe some people need to watch their mouths about belittling the sacrifices some peoples’ husbands have made for the sake of our country.
Having gone through the sadness of a miscarriage, I believe it would help those who blame God for “aborting” His own creation to know a few facts about this occurence. Miscarriages occur in about 15-20 percent of all recognized pregnancies. When you conceive and a baby is created, it takes half its genes from the sperm and half from the egg that ovulated that month. One cause might be that the baby did not implant, or bury itself, into the womb lining properly another may be that genetic information is lost at the exact time of conception. Some reasons for miscarriage may include infections which can be detected and treated by a colostomy and cryosurgery. Very early miscarriages occur prior to six weeks and are sometimes referred to as a chemical pregnancy whereby the embryo didn’t develop but many symptoms and signs of pregnancy existed. Usually, early miscarriage occurs for reasons unclear to the woman or the doctor. It’s extremely rare for it to occur as a result of minor trauma like a fall. Some miscarriages can be caused by environmental factors, maternal age, drug use or sexually transmitted diseases.Chromosomal abnormality is the most common reason for early miscarriages. In fact, up to 70% of first trimester miscarriages are the result of chromosomal defects. Chromosomes are special strands that carry your baby’s DNA. Every baby should have 23 pairs of chromosomes, which help to determine their physical characteristics and allow them to carry out physical functions. After fertilization, sometimes the egg begins to split improperly, creating the wrong number of chromosomes. Molar pregnancies, in which the fetus develops abnormally, or in which the placenta or amniotic membranes don’t form, are a common type of chromosomal abnormality.
Most medical experts on miscarriages would agree that the natural expulsion of a fetus with a chromosomal abnormality is a blessing not a curse.
I bless God because I later gave birth to three healthy children.
I’m sorry about your miscarriage, Arlene.
While I appreciate you commenting on the topic, I still don’t consider the loss of my first child to be a blessing, even if the child wasn’t healthy due to chromosomal abnormality. All children are blessings, including those who have left us early.
Janette, I agree wholeheartedly. My babies that I lost were certainly a blessing, and I would not consider losing them to have been a blessing any more than I would consider losing one of my born children today to be a blessing. It is terribly sad to lose a child of any age.