Jivin J’s Life Links 10-1-09 Part I
by JivinJ
The preliminary injunction issued by Judge Donald Daughton of Maricopa County Superior Court allows a 24-hour waiting period to take affect, but he blocked requirements that a woman see a doctor in person for advance disclosures before getting an abortion….
The so-called “informed consent” consultation can be by telephone and by a qualified staff member, Daughton said in his ruling granting most of a request by Planned Parenthood, the state’s major abortion provider.
The state judge also blocked provisions prohibiting nurse practitioners from performing surgical abortions, requiring the notarizing of parental consent forms and expanding an existing law that now permits health-care workers to refuse to participate in abortions.
[JLS note: This is maddening! The AZ legislature passed this measure in both the House and Senate and the AZ governor signed it into law. Now ONE JUDGE stops it?!]
“A president that has lost his way that badly, that has no ability to see the image of God in these little fellow human beings, if he can’t do that right, then he has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity,” Franks said to the “How to Take Back America” conference.
Franks said in a statement Tuesday that he was referring to “unborn humanity” and should have clarified his remarks. His statement listed a series of actions Obama has taken related to abortion.
“While I absolutely should have made the meaning of my statement more clear, the facts remain that these radical pro-abortion policies do not have place in a government founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights and chief among those rights is the right to life,”
Franks said in the statement.
And among shows that take a voyeuristic peek at the darker side of life is the BBC docu soap “My Big Decision” in which viewers for 5 days follow young women who are deciding whether or not to have an abortion.
In her editorial she then mindlessly claims the pictures of aborted children are from “3rd trimester abortions performed in other countries and miscarriages, yet this organization was claiming they were pictures of 1st and 2nd trimester abortions” without a scrap of evidence.
I think the best part is when she wants her university officials to call an organization with a pro-choice view and invite them on campus so students could get both sides of the issue because I’m sure she would have felt the same way if it was a pro-choice organization putting together a display.
[Photo of 9-week-old aborted baby via the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Oink Oink, Oink Those abortionist Pigs have because of us sorry Christians!
Idiotic editiorials like the one by Danielle Zelisko at Sonoma State provide us with a great opportunity to express the PL POV, if they allow comments.
And they also demonstrate the extreme willingness of proaborts to accept and adopt lies, half-truths, and outrageously illogical claims to support their affection for baby killing.
Any student possessed of basic, minimal intellectual honesty can see the multitude of errors in their utterances.
I never understood how we as a culture can hate people different from ourselves so much that even seeing their picture can annoy us, that even seeing that person suffering can just annoy us since we didn’t want to even acknowledge them.
What the?!
This picture thing- “I don’t want to see mutilated bodies anymore!”- what do you propose we do? We argue with emotions: you ignore it. We argue with logic: you ignore it. We just stop arguing with you and go about fixing things anyways: you abuse your power in the law to put a stop to it.
Pro-life, Pro-Darfur, anti-misogyny groups, any group fighting for justice: we’re at a loss.
What do we do?
I have supported unborn human rights for 38 years now and I am still looking for my first abortionist “argument” which is not a fallacy. They all are by their very nature.
That young woman at Sonoma State should remember that large numbers of her contemporaries died in the abortion holocaust and that a lot of us were standing up for the rights of the unborn when she was an unborn child. Many members of her generation who are alive today may be so because somebody stood in front of a killing facility with a graphic picture of a dead unborn child. She should have some consideration.
Think about that Arizona judge if you support personhood amendments. He would be likely to try to strike the amendment down if he could. Look at the efforts in California to try to eliminate Proposition 8. Attorney General Jerry Brown tried to have the amendment declared unconstitutional.
If a personhood amendment were to pass the abortionists would use every trick in the book to deep six it.
yep, abortion is here to stay. All we can do is reduce the demand for them.
And Hal, what do you propose we do about women who carelessly practice birth control yet have no desire to ever become mothers and think of abortion as a procedure akin to a botox injection?
How can we reduce demand for something which there is no initial need for in the first place?
xalisae, those women should be encouraged to be less careless, get “fixed,” or at least have the option of a safe and legal abortion. (IMO)
As for reducing demand, there is a lot we can do in that regard.
There will always be women like that, and their flippant attitudes cannot be countered with anything less than a clear law stating the lives of their unborn children are every bit as important and worthy of protection as their own. Part of the reason they are that way in the first place is the idea that “Oh, well, I can always have an abortion.” Abortion is part of the initial problem!
Hal, as someone who has been in dire straights while pregnant, I can safely say that there really is nothing on Earth that warrants a demand for abortion. Working to reduce demand for something that there should be no demand for in the first place is insanity.
Well, let’s just work to reduce unintentional pregnancies then.
How about working to reduce unintentional pregnancies, reforming adoption and foster care systems so that adoption becomes an easier and better choice than abortion, and doing these things while working to criminalize abortion in order to protect human lives that are every bit as worth protection under the law as yours or mine?
That would work to prevent unintended pregnancies in several ways.
The church is wolfully shutting its ears to this criminal act we call abortion!
This is a pretty complicated situation. For more: http://www.lifenews.com/state4469.html
How about working to reduce unintentional pregnancies, reforming adoption and foster care systems so that adoption becomes an easier and better choice than abortion, and doing these things while working to criminalize abortion in order to protect human lives that are every bit as worth protection under the law as yours or mine?
That would work to prevent unintended pregnancies in several ways.
Posted by: xalisae at October 1, 2009 11:28 AM
Good ideas (except criminalizing abortion)
Why? If abortion is so bad that we should work our hardest to stop it, making it illegal only follows, as that would keep the majority of women from even seeking abortions.
C’mon, Hal, is logic not your strong suit?
C’mon, Hal, is logic not your strong suit?
Posted by: xalisae at October 1, 2009 11:37 AM
Nope.
I never said “we” should work our hardest to stop abortion. I think we should reduce unwanted pregnancies, because they’re unwanted. How’s that for logic?
Hal,
As long as the unborn child is presented to women as a disposable ‘object’, rather than a human life to be cherished, there will be unnecessarily unwanted abortions. As long as we tell women that their careers are more important than the babies growing inside of them, they will continue to seek out abortion.
Let’s face it, as long as we present the unborn child as NOT a child, there are going to be women who won’t want that baby who otherwise would welcome him/her.
They’re wanted by someone, Hal, just not the women who happen to be carrying them.
I said “unintended pregnancies”, not “unwanted”, and for a reason.
MaryRose, I think you’re right. I’m okay with that, however, and you’re not.
Personally, I don’t see the need for Rep. Franks to clarify, other than to keep a good image.
PBHO has in his time in office launched a full-scale attack on humanity, not only the lives of the unborn, but the decency and humanity of the born. Anyone who champions the pro-choice cause is a threat to the humanity of those to whom he speaks.
Hal,
That makes no sense. A moment ago you were saying, ‘Let’s work together to reduce unwanted pregnancies’ and now you’re saying, ‘Eh, I’m okay with an increase in unwanted pregnancies.’
So which is it? Is it good to get pregnant and not want the baby? Or is it bad? Should we work to encourage women feeling that their careers are dependent upon their non-mom status, or should we work to encourage the sanctity of motherhood and life?
when 80% of respondents when questioned if they would still seek an abortion were it illegal said “No.”, I say the second half of your comment, vivian, is complete b.s.
No, pro-abortionists need to quit spreading disinformation about such initiatives which do indeed typically allow for instances in which abortion would be medically necessary, etc.
I tend to hear a lot of, “Well, I had to have an abortion because my life was in danger due to x condition during my pregnancy, and people like YOU would WANT ME TO DIIIIEEEE!!!!” which is also complete and utter b.s. Just as it was before Roe, so it would be after, and there were indeed medical abortions for life-saving reasons that were preformed. Tell pro-choicers to stop lying, and we might actually make some progress.
A child conceived in rape should be killed? I know a child who was conceived in rape. He’s 2 years old. Can we kill him now because we missed our chance when he was growing?
A child conceived in incest should be killed? I know a woman conceived in incest. She is in her late 20’s. Can we kill her now?
A child with a severe birth defect should be killed before he/she dies naturally?
A child alive for only 7-8 weeks should be killed?
Here is someone I want the world to meet
http://www.rebeccakiessling.com
I don’t understand the argument that these pictures are of miscarried children, not aborted children. Um, if a 7 week old miscarried child has arms and fingers you can see, what do you suppose a 7 week old aborted child looks like? If anything, a miscarried child (who might have died due to a defect, or remained in the womb for some time after dying) would be less well-formed than a healthy child whose life was ended by abortion. Doesn’t change the very obvious fact that the child is a child at that age. Is it just a way of trying to say that pro-lifers lied?