Jivin J’s Life Links 2-8-10
by JivinJ
Dickson Malla, boyfriend of the deceased girl Shushila Sahani, owned up the murder before the police four days after detention.
Malla and Sahani were in a relationship for the past 6 months and Sahani had been pregnant lately. After being pregnant Sahani tried to convince Mall for marriage, while Malla tried to pressure her for abortion, according to the police.
I called her in the pretext of eloping Tuesday night and pressured her to abort, Malla said. I murdered her as she refused to do so.
Jill Filipovic (above) is the latest case. Less than 2 weeks ago she placed the blame of the rise in pregnancies among 18 and 19-year-olds solely at the feet of abstinence-only education. But now after years of attacking abstinence education, it appears Jill was only opposed to abstinence-until-marriage programs.
Maybe I’m mistaken but I never recall Jill posting anything about how abstinence-only-education could work if it wasn’t abstinence-until-marriage-education. Instead, I recall numerous over-generalized comments which attacked any abstinence-only-education and lumped every kind of abstinence education together as bible-thumping moralizing (just like her recent column which assumes every abstinence-until-marriage program amounts teaches “condoms don’t work and premarital sex is immoral” ).
Jill thinks the successful abstinence-only program “was exactly what the abstinence portion of a good comprehensive sex-ed class would look like. And it adds to the body of evidence that medically accurate, non-shaming sexual health education is the best and most effective kind of sex ed out there.”
Except that the abstinence-only program wasn’t a sex ed program. Students were less likely to have sex if they were in the abstinence-only program as opposed to the comprehensive program. Jill still seems to be having a hard time accepting the results of the study which show abstinence-only working better among some children than a comprehensive program.
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“Less than 2 weeks ago she placed the blame of the rise in pregnancies among 18 and 19-year-olds solely at the feet of abstinence-only education. ”
Um, 18-19 year olds? Hello, these women are adults. Who is she to be telling adults what to do? Paternalistic much?
“after receiving a complaint that anti-abortion advocacy ‘inherently discriminates’ against women.”
Opposing the murder of female fetuses “inherently discriminates” against women? Okaaay.
So much for tolerance (and intelligence, apparently).
Shushila Sahani, may you and your child rest in peace.
“anti-abortion advocacy ‘inherently discriminates’ against women.”
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Since more than half the pre-natal children killed by CHOICE are female, it logically follows that ‘abortion advocacy’ is not only inherently discriminatory, it is misogynistic!
yor bro ken
[I do not know if it really matte]s but I first posted this on the wrong thread.[
A humorous, completely irrelevant diversion from the ‘thread’
This just in:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/He-Messed-With-the-Wrong-Flight-Attendant–83757722.html
[U.S. Air flight attendant] “Lorin Gorman is a fourth-degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do.
[Kinman Chan] A San Francisco man, accused of forcing a flight to divert because he was high on medical marijuana, picked the wrong flight attendant to freak out on.
…Gorman says. “He’s banging around, screaming in the back bathroom, he’s opened all the compartments,” the attendant remembers.
According to a criminal complaint, Chan walked out of the bathroom with his pants down.
“I said, ‘You need to sit down now’,” Gorman said.
He did not.
“Well, what I did, I just put him in an arm lock. To get his other arm, I had to jump up on the seat … He was resisting.
He was stiff.
At that point, I just put him into a choke hold.”
[I don’t know if the reporters were just trying to be ‘cute’ or didn’t think of about the ‘words’ they chose in context with the scene they were describing, but whatever the reason, the combination conjures up some interesting mental images.]
“After 911, I took special training with my grand master to learn how to deal with small spaces and also what to look for in passengers,” Gorman said. “I’m glad I was there.”
[It was not a ‘happy ending’ for Chan.]
Kinman Chan was charged with disrupting a flight attendant, which can carry a maximum penalty of up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.”
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yor bro ken
Students for Life of America is working hard to make sure that the same doesn’t happen to pro-life student organizations in the USA: http://secularprolife.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=323
Three things:
1). The Nepali woman’s death is a tragedy. It’s so sad- I hope that her family finds comfort and healing. :(
2). We should all be working together to fight the number one cause of death for pregnant women: murder. This might not be the number one cause of death anymore, but it was last time that I checked (which was about two years ago). Either way, this needs to stop.
3). What is the difference between abstinence and abstinence-until-marriage education?
How many pregnant girls murdered by their boyfriends does this make in the last month alone?
Love Pro Choice, Liberal Canada. If Roe gets overturned, abortion probably won’t be illegal in New England; but if it does, we’ll revive the “underground railroad” that we had pre-Roe when my college classmates were shuttled up to Montreal for their abortions. One of the drivers was an Episcopalian chaplain (he’ll burn in hell, yadda, yadda) of our local Ivy League University. Vive Canada – “Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.”
When are you going to ditch blaming the entire pro-life cause on Jesus? I didn’t realize he ever came around here posting. I wish one of these times you’d address a non-religious, pro-life, independent, academically-inclined female for your obtuse crap.
For starters:
I’m pretty sure I didn’t just magically procreate on my own. When I became pregnant with my daughter, not only had I become a mother, but my boyfriend was a father at that point too, and I made sure that he knew as much. The only thing being “forced” that we talk about here is a yet-to-be-born human being forced apart at the implement of someone who swore to heal and protect human life rather than kill it. Nothing “forces” a baby to be born, it’s a natural occurrence.
Have you ever managed to carry a baby to term, or did you just kill all of yours off because you didn’t want to be a “slave”? I don’t know what your experience was like, but I was still quite capable of making my own decisions while pregnant. I’m not aware of any mind control powers that my children had over me while they were gestating, and I’m not certain about your sexual exploits, but I think I’d be hard-pressed (no pun intended?) to take orders from a single haploid sex cell of my husband. Do you also get directions from your toenail? The skin cells on your left earlobe have a beautiful singing voice?
I don’t want other humans to be killed through abortion. I also do not want to be a mother to anymore children at this point in my life. I have career and educational goals that I want to meet. However, killing my child is not, nor would it ever be, an acceptable way to go about meeting those goals. I have had a tubal ligation, and no one had to die for it, either. Women are just as valuable born as they are before that time. Legalized abortion is justice for no woman-I demand justice for ALL women.
The womb is the home of us all when we are new to life. The most basic right we have is the right to live.
We protect them.
And, if anyone wants to email the Student Society, the email is:
alma@uvic.ca
I like how they’re fine with “Hempology 101”, but this is too much. What a pathetic crew.
xalisae: “I wish one of these times you’d [Artemis] address a non-religious, pro-life, independent, academically-inclined female for your obtuse crap.”
So would I.
But don’t hold your fazoinkin’ breath.
Again, I have to wonder why Artemis seems to relish believing the worst about us. I suspect she’s angry with someone she knows personally, can’t or won’t confront her problems with them, and is unleashing that anger on us.
Artemis, life is short, and you don’t have to spend your life being so angry. I don’t know who you’re angry with, but your anger is probably hurting you more than it’s hurting that person, or those people.
I don’t believe that all the young women in the dorm contributed fifty dollars. College students don’t have enough money that every single one in any random group is going to give up fifty dollars to any cause, even if they all believe in it. I think it’s interesting that you seem to believe we have some kind of problem with education, or at least with certain schools. I graduated from a Seven Sisters college.
Go do something that makes you genuinely happy. I’m serious and I say this out of genuine concern. I don’t like watching people be so obviously unhappy – and I think you are unhappy, because if you had a generally happy life you wouldn’t be coming here to insult people and do other futile, counterproductive things. You’d be too busy being happy.
Ridiculous of them to contribute 50 dollars to an organization which killed hundreds of thousands of their contemporaries (and would have killed them too if given a chance).
Love Pro Choice, Liberal Canada. If Roe gets overturned, abortion probably won’t be illegal in New England; but if it does, we’ll revive the “underground railroad” that we had pre-Roe when my college classmates were shuttled up to Montreal for their abortions. One of the drivers was an Episcopalian chaplain (he’ll burn in hell, yadda, yadda) of our local Ivy League University. Vive Canada – “Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.”
Posted by: Artemis at February 8, 2010 6:13 PM
ya never know what can happen in Canada. There are several provinces that do not offer abortion “services” and there are fewer and fewer doctors who are willing to do abortions.
BTW, poor conjugation of “We will protect our homes and our rights” blah…. :(
One of the drivers was an Episcopalian chaplain…
After doing a little research, I’ve found that apparently the Episcopalian religion is the American arm of the Church of England…a sect formed after a British monarch wasn’t allowed to have a divorce just because. Seems like they have a long history of “if it feels good, do it!”. I’m sure he was quite the pillar of the society though. Kinda makes me wonder why he did…you yourself like to talk about how many heads of the church enjoy taking advantage of the youth…how many abusers take their victims in for abortions to cover up their crimes (remember the Lila Rose videos?)…Think any of the girls he was driving up there might’ve been carrying evidence of his misdeeds he wanted flushed? It would be ironic, considering what an abuser of women Henry VIII was.
xalisae, please realize I’m not picking on you or trying to start a fight.
Ok as a cradled Episcopalian who now identifies as Anglican I gotta speak up here. There was a lot more behind the formation of the Anglican church than Henry’s divorce. The same causes that inspired Martin Luther to nail the Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Castle Church and led to the Reformation also led to the formation of the Anglican faith. That said, The COE also had it’s abuses of power and intrusion into government.
If you don’t believe me, just look to our Founding Fathers, the majority of which were Anglican or Presbyterian. They knew of the abuses of power by Rome and Westminister and bam the First Amendment was born.
In more recent time it has been turned into more of a “if it feels good” kind of denomination. There have been leaders inside the church who have changed it drasticlly, most of whom are ex Roman Catholic and are seen by many as usurpers or interlopers. It has caused a great split in the church. I’m sure Artemis would say that is because of Gene Robinson, the “Gay Bishop”, it goes a lot deeper than that. These leaders from the most liberal dioceses have in many cases and are attemting to turn the church into a faith that does not even redemble Christianity. It’s almost like some twisted love child of Budhism, Bahai and whatever else ya got.
Artemis, for the love of God or whatever you believe in, must you mention the Episcopal Church in 75% of your posts? You do realize these same leaders I spoke of earlier took it upon themselves to identify as pro-abortion, the majority of Episcopalians and Anglicans don’t identify that way. Hence the secession within the church amongst many other reasons.
Sorry for the triple post lol.
Hi Ashley! :)
Good point.
“The same causes that inspired Martin Luther to nail the Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Castle Church and led to the Reformation also led to the formation of the Anglican faith.”
31Roses, you’re going to have to do a lot better than that to convince anyone that the Anglican Church is the product of the Reformation. It’s not at all convincing to me and I’ve studied English history in grad school.
Henry VIII did not have any issues with Catholic teachings, and in fact defended them against Luther’s claims in a book called A Defense of the Seven Sacraments — until he found the Sacrament of Matrimony inconvenient. The Anglican Church was a creation of Henry himself and a few compliant ministers. There were a few pockets of Protestantism in England, but the majority of the English people were solidly Catholic, and the new Church was largely imposed by force.
That there were abuses in the Catholic Church as a whole at the time was true, and I suppose you could put them forward as a cause, but they were largely used by Henry as an excuse to do what he already wanted to do.
HI Ashley.
Are you the same Ashley (I think the last name was Herzog) who was commenting here about a month ago? You are a journalism major at a big school in the Midwest? (not saying the name of the school just in case) Same Ashley?
Lori Pieper @ 11:48 AM,
Thank you for your comments. As an aside….as I understand it, Martin Luther was a devout Catholic who had no intention of starting a new Church when he posted his Ninety-Five Thesis.
Perhaps you could elaborate more on that? Thank you.
Janet, yes, I think what you said is true. People rarely plan huge social and religious movements, they just find that they are somehow in them. :)
In essence, Luther was a lot more Catholic than the movement that followed him was. He accepted teachings on the Virgin Mary, for instance, that Protestantism has since dropped. And he misunderstood what Catholic teaching on grace and salvation was, largely because of the confusion over it in the Church at the time. And then there were wider causes like the corruption in the Church. Luther was just a simple monk, and was successful because there was already a movement in the making behind him. And of course, he got support from people in power.
Henry VIII, a the man in power with a lot of agents, could very deliberately plan what he did. Lutheranism came from the bottom up and Anglicanism from the top down.
At least that’s the way I see it, based on my brief studies on the Reformation in college. I read a large number of books and essays on the Reformation, largely contradicting each other as to the cause; historians are unlikely to ever agree on the complex causes of such a vast movement.
By the way, this was the first time that I have ever heard it said that the creeping liberalism in the Anglican Church was caused by ex-Catholic interlopers. I actually have no idea to what extent that is true. But if it is, what an irony that defecting Catholics should be sending Anglicans who are actually faithful Christians back to the Catholic Church in such large numbers!
Yes, I think it’s the same Ashley. You have certainly changed your tune – or at least your tone. It’s nice to know that you can recognize something good in pro-lifers’ claims.
It’s true. Abortion basically serves men. I can’t understand why so feminists couldn’t see that and bought into the lie. Huge numbers of women have suffered as a result.
Did anyone here ever see the movie “A Place in the Sun”? It was on TCM maybe a month ago. It’s based on the novel “An American Tragedy”, which itself is based on a real case. The main story in all three is that this young man drowns his pregnant girlfriend who doesn’t want an (illegal) abortion and wants him to marry her instead. He then is convicted of her murder and executed.
I’m extremely suspicious of any men who are vehemently pro-choice. Makes you wonder what their investment is…and I doubt it’s their poor starving pregnant mothers who perished trying to illegally abort their twenty-fifth baby.
Well Ashley, I am very glad to hear that. I know that I have not shown the most charity to you in the past (and I should have!), but I would like to extend a warm invitation to you to stick around Jill’s blog and ask any questions or get involved in any discussions. I’d love to talk with you more as you consider these questions.
Ashley,
Hi! I can’t remember if it was you or not, but awhile ago I wrote something very, uh, rude, to someone who was pro-choice (I was in a very bad mood that day). Like I said, I can’t remember if it was you, but I just wanted to say sorry for being obnoxiously rude and counter-productive. That’s no way to debate or come to an understanding.
But I’m glad that you consider this issue as in-depth as you do and that we can agree to stop those who force women to have abortions. That’s good. :)
Lori,
It should also be noted that Martin Luther’s Ninety-Five Theses wouldn’t have gotten the sort of recognition they did had it not been for the spread of the printing press. The Reformation came at a time when the written word was suddenly becoming far more accessible, and when Luther posted the 95 Theses, he pretty instantly became a figurehead for those who already were working towards a schism in the Church. Luther was, in fact, opposed to the Reformation initially. This didn’t stop others from using his image in the pamphlets they were handing out… And because the printing press was so new, the pamphlets spread like wildfire among persons of all social statuses.
MaryRose,
Yes, I knew about the printing press part, but not that others used Luther’s picture like that (without his knowledge?). Very interesting, and as I said, people often don’t intend to start movements, just find themselves in them.
Lori,
His image rather than his picture. Usually artistic renderings of him, often with his name and generally depicted as a savior of sorts. It was very difficult-pretty impossible, really- at the time to monitor what was being printed and where. And there were enough people looking to see changes in the Church that there was an abundance of pamphlets that led commonfolk to believe that Luther was behind their publication when in fact Luther was still trying to make changes within the Church and had not yet joined the movement to form a new church. And because many of those receiving the information were illiterate and uneducated, they were easy to manipulate.
Lori & Mary Rose, are either of you EWTN viewers? Marcus’ guest this week on the Journey Home is a former evangelical theologian/historian who studied the protestant reformers. He had some fascinating things to say. The episode is archived on EWTN’s site if you can’t catch it on cable.
Fed Up,
Thanks for the heads-up! :) I’ll check it out!
Hi Ashley.
I don’t have time to write right now, but I’ll say a few words about the medical exception/ life of the mother stuff; how that may play out sometime tomorrow. Take care.
Fed up,
Yes, I saw that program; wanted to mention it in my post, but didn’t have time. It was indeed fascinating! I think it would turn anyone from Protestantism to Catholicism in the space of an hour. So watch with care :)
The guy on the show was David Anders and he was formerly Presbyterian and is now Catholic. Just in order to explain my above post.
MaryRose,
Yes, of course, his image, not his photo. That would have been kind of impossible in the 16th century!
Hi Ashley…very glad to see you are thinking seriously about these issues. I think so many people don’t, they just pick a side and refuse to THINK about it. I grew up pro-life as a child but when I became a teenager I read everything I could on abortion, including a lot of pro-abortion writings. I weighed each side very carefully. While there are arguments to the pro-choice side that I agree with, for me it was negated when I realized the issue comes down to the fact that the unborn child is ALIVE and a human being and that abortion kills that child. I hope you will continue to probe and discover the truth.
So off topic but could everyone please pray! You may remember a week or so ago I had posted that my friend was having her second miscarriage. She had just happily told me the day before she was pregnant again and then called me the very next day sobbing. She was bleeding and bloodwork had revealed the HCG levels had not risen as expected. The doc told her to be prepared to miscarry over the weekend. I prayed like crazy as my heart broke for my friend who just wants be a mom more than anything.
Well the bleeding stopped and they kept monitoring her hormones. Well today she told me that the hormones are RISING again, not dropping. So now the docs think she may have had a twin pregnancy and lost a twin, but the other baby is alive and growing normally. She is having an ultrasound this coming Tuesday to see if everything is alright. I am going with her to the ultrasound as her husband cannot possibly leave work. Please pray! I want so much for this baby to live and for his/her mom to be able to hold this child in September. I will keep you updated.
If the baby is dead and she has not miscarried yet they may want to do a D &C and she is very very nervous about that. I hope its all good news and she doesn’t have to even think about that. So please please pray!!!!
Praying, Sydney. Give your friend a hug for me.
Sydney,
Keeping your friend in my prayers. Keep us posted.
Hi Ashley.
“I have a serious problem with banning abortions because there’s no way a law could cover every medical exception, even when the woman or fetus is dying. It would invite government bureaucrats who have no understanding of medicine to play doctor, and I believe life-or-death medical decisions would end up being decided in court.”
So this is a good point, and I think careful definitions and thinking is key to working around it. I think the first problem is the fuzzy definition of abortion that we often hear from the pro-choice side; that is, abortion is the “termination of a pregnancy.” This is really a bad definition because anytime one gives birth, they terminate a pregnancy. Anytime someone miscarries, they terminate a pregnancy. No, this definition is given to hide what is really going on. I propose that abortion should be defined as “the direct killing of a fetus (embryo) as a means or as an ends.”
How does this help anything? Well, let’s think about some extreme medical situations like an ectopic pregnancy. In this case, if it is not treated, both mother and embryo will die. So something must be done. And the line of action that should be taken is to remove the fallopian tube or the embryo. In that way, you do not directly kill the embryo. In fact, if science was more advanced, you could remove the embryo and implant it in some sort of artificial womb and allow him to grow. You never need to kill the embryo in order that the mother may live. Yes, either way the embryo dies, but it isn’t killing the embryo that results in saving the mother’s life- it is the removing of the tube or embryo, and the embryo dies as an unintended (but foreseen) consequence.
Or we may consider the case of a woman who has cancer of the uterus while pregnant. Again, what can be done here is to remove the tumor, while an unintended side effect is the death of teh fetus. But note again, an abortion does not take place because you do not directly kill the fetus. The action the doctor takes is to remove the bad part while doing everything in his power to save the life of both mother and fetus.
We can look at any other individualize cases, but the idea is that there is always a way to save the mother which may, unfortunately, result in the death of the fetus. But making these careful moral distinctions is vitally important, and I, as well as hopefully the rest of teh pro-life community, would be right there fighting for these clear distinctions for teh life of the mother if Roe was ever overturned and then abortion criminalized.