Jivin J’s Life Links 8-10-10
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- Police in the Philippines are looking for a young couple who allegedly buried a 7-month-old aborted child near a river.
- The body of a woman who died at a Russian abortion clinic was loaded into a car and dumped in a forest:
Elena Oleinikova, an obstetrician, performed interruption of pregnancy operation on the patient identified as Gulzat E., a national of Uzbekistan, on July 29. The surgery was performed during the woman’s 15th week of pregnancy. The patient died on operation desk during the surgery. To conceal the traces of the crime, Oleinikova, the administrator of the clinic, and another employee loaded the body into a vehicle and then simply dumped it in Losyny Ostrov National Park.
The patient’s sister went to the police claiming that the doctors denied her access to the clinic and refused to provide any information about the relative. Investigators checked the records of surveillance cameras in the clinic: the footage showed the medics loading the woman’s body into the vehicle and then driving away.
- A group called Midland Catholics for Life has put up a billboard image of an aborted child across from a Planned Parenthood in TX. PP’s reaction is typical:
“It’s a bully type mentality. These are the same individuals that stand outside the fence and make harassing and at times- obscene- comments to our clients”, says PP’s Carla Holeva.
Holeva believes the images on the billboard are doctored using Photoshop and are not medically accurate. CBS 7 asked Mrs. [Gina] Aaron [Midland CFL President] about that claim. “These are accurate photographs of babies that have been killed by abortion”, said Aaron…. “Individuals who have driven by and are upset and want to know who placed this sign, want to know if the info on it is correct, which it’s not, want to know if it’s medically accurate, which it’s not”, says Holeva.
View the CBS7 video here.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“The patient died on operation desk during the surgery. To conceal the traces of the crime, Oleinikova, the administrator of the clinic, and another employee loaded the body into a vehicle…”
That much of a “safe, legal” abortion, dear pro-aborts… It’s never safe and should never be legal.
The billboard image comes from the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, which has authenticated its photos and threatened to sue abortion advocates who publicly accuse them of faking the pictures.
I would LOVE to see this go to court!
Vita – Note there are no PP’s in Russia or the Philippines or any regulation/oversight for that matter. I wouldn’t even take medication in Russia unless it was sent to me from America, because Russian medication manufacturers pay their employees by production numbers so many workers just throw anything into the pills to increase their overall numbers and pay checks. People in these types of countries die from what we in America would call routine minor surgeries all the time and most of the time they get covered up because of lack of oversight and legislation.
Once again another staged picture that is obviously photo shopped. There is no denying it, you can plainly see that this is more than one picture put together to make a point. Like I said it is staged just like the rest of the Anti-Choice pictures you guys hold up. It’s a lot like taking a quote out of context to foster an intended conclusion by the viewer.
Worst of all it’s trying to intimidate “or bully” people into agreeing with your point of view. Just like the horrible names you guys hurl at women as they enter the clinic to get birth control. The people who do these types of protests are the thuggish side of your movement. They are your movement fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist wing, who see violence and the murdering of doctors as viable political tactics. This fight needs to be waged in Washington DC with proper political discussion, not out on the sidewalk trying to intimidate young women and children. That’s just 100% cowardly!
Obviously those Russian abortionists must LOVE women and CARE about their health and their well being!!
Biggz why don’t you tell us how horrified and disgusted you are that a woman was treated like garbage after her baby was killed instead of going on and on about Russian medication……..
Oh and,
Please provide the proof that all pictures of aborted babies are photoshopped and “staged.” LOL
Just like the horrible names you guys hurl at women as they enter the clinic to get birth control. The people who do these types of protests are the thuggish side of your movement.
I AGREE!!
Perhaps Holeva could provide the world with her own evidence of what the abortionists in her PP do to tiny, human preborn babies. Give us your “medically accurate” photos, please.
Once again, what do pro-aborts think babies look like after they’ve been aborted?
“..Worst of all it’s trying to intimidate “or bully” people into agreeing with your point of view.”
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Why do pro-aborts always state that showing/ holding pics of aborted babies is considered “bullying”?
Are they threatened by the pics and that’s why they are feeling ”intimidated/ bully’d”?
Why are you directing your anger at the holder of the pics/ sign…when you should be directing your anger at the people/ person responsible for the baby’s death in the pics?
OR is this anger for reminding you of what you support?
Carla you can see this picture was staged. That’s at least 2 pics put together maybe more. What more proof do you need? Just like all the pics with the quarter in them. Quarters are not a medical instrument used in an abortion procedure so obviously this picture was taken after the fact and with props… THAT’S STAGED!
RSD let me correct you. Those pictures you hold up are inaccurate and staged, but that’s not where the threat comes from. Yelling and screaming nasty names at women just trying to get birth control is the most obvious form of intimidation I can think of without a weapon. I’m not talking about all the sick and disgusting things they do to PP buildings and employees, “threats of violence, being followed home by irate strangers, and let’s not forget MURDER in a church!!!”, but the things they say and do to women who for all you know is just coming for a pap test. EVERYONE finds those pics offensive even you guys, but it’s the actions of your followers that can be easily classified as intimidation.
You guys seem to think that we don’t understand abortion or we have been lied to but, we understand it better than you do and are in no need of your “education”. Why don’t you take this fight to Washington DC where it belongs and stop trying to intimidate people.
I love the fact that in this country we have the constitutionally protected right to protest but you DO NOT have the right to harass, intimidate, or MURDER any other citizen of this country.
It’s like the KKK hold a march in Harlem, it’s to provoke a fight not to make a point. I really hope that all you people holding signs and screaming at women get punched in the face by the husband or boyfriend. If someone was trying to intimidate your wife or daughter I’m sure you would feel the same way.
Biggz,
1. next thing I’m waiting to hear from you to say that the babies in the posters that have quarters in them are not real, that they’re just vax figures or something, would sound like something very suitable for you to say to show your ignorance. How do YOU think aborted fetuses look like? “Clump of cells”??? Yeah, maybe, if they’re aborted in the first couple of weeks, but even you should know noone is having an abortion that early. Yes, the photos are staged, but the dead bodies are real! Ask women who had medical abortions how their fetuses looked like when they “miscarried”?
2. Please back up your claims about russian medication and medical care with some sort of proof, otherwise it’s all just a wind outside my window.
3. As someone who grew up in former Soviet Union and is alive (shock horror) I can confidently claim that russian medication is top quality, we never even had a choice of western medication before, but once we had, after we got independant, we soon realized that russians had it better than anyone else. And to this day there is a significant amount of affordable and very good quality russian medication used in hospitals and pharmacies across my country and (shock horror) noone has died from it.
4. Never had an bortion in Russia and I would suspect similar lack of care and responsibility in these type of establishments as in PP, it’s all about the money, who cares about the women.
Vita – I stand corrected; I should have said “Communist Russia” when only members of the political party had access to western medicine. I have not been there since the fall of communism but I would love to visit again to see the new changes.
Now here is the thing about those pictures. If someone set up the fetuses with props to stage the picture, there is no way of knowing what they did to the fetus before the picture was staged. Look no medical surgery is a pretty thing to look at; when my dad had his cancer surgery they removed a 3rd of one lung and one of his ribs so they could get to his lung. I actually saw the rib they took out as did my dad and it was not pretty at all.
Maybe I should have put a quarter next to it and taken a picture to tell kids not to smoke?…
Everyone understands that a fetus will become a baby; we just disagree about when that happens, so I fail to see what fact those pictures are meant to convey. An abortion stops the process of a fetus becoming a baby. It’s legal and in my opinion moral. Most importantly it’s a woman’s right to choose when she wants to be a mother, a right they have only enjoyed for about 40 years of all of human history. Before that it was MEN who decided when women would be mothers with no regard to the woman wishes. That’s what we pro-choice people fight for, not for dead fetuses, or corporate profits. You guys say abortion laws were put in place by men, but why would men want to give power away, and why is it that abortion became legal AFTER women got the right to vote?
Now here is the thing about those pictures. If someone set up the fetuses with props to stage the picture, there is no way of knowing what they did to the fetus before the picture was staged.
Biggz, the people who “did” something to the fetus before the picture was taken was done in the clinic. The fetus was dismembered. Torn apart. Limb from limb. Or suctioned. You know, yada yada and all that.
Look no medical surgery is a pretty thing to look at; when my dad had his cancer surgery they removed a 3rd of one lung and one of his ribs so they could get to his lung. I actually saw the rib they took out as did my dad and it was not pretty at all.
Maybe I should have put a quarter next to it and taken a picture to tell kids not to smoke?…
The coins are used to show size. Are you that dull? Nah, I doubt it.
When I was in school, they showed us pictures of smokers’ lungs and told us “this is a diseased lung. This is what happens when you smoke.” They also showed us films with horrifying photos of drunken driving accidents and told us “don’t drink and drive.”
They were effective, and they were true.
What is the difference, Biggz, between a 40 week fetus and a 40 week, 1 day old baby?
A picture of cancerous lung to stop people from smoking is a great idea (and not such a new one, I’ve seen them on cigarrete packets before). It doesn’t disprove the authenticity of abortion pictures.
Please, Biggz, answer the big question for me, a poor un-educated prolifer, WHEN exactly a fetus becomes a baby?
And why it doesn’t matter to you that the fetus is unique human being, is alive and fights for his/her life during abortion procedure (as seen on ultrasoud abortion videos)? It’s not only – oh, it’s just a fetus, or oh, it has become a baby already, it doesn’t undermine the fact that it is ALIVE HUMAN BEING.
Thanks, Kel ;) Thought I’ll have to struggle with Biggz all by myself :)))
BIGGZ…ugh. Please think a little. Obviously quarters are not a medical instrument…DUH, REALLY?Thank you for pointing that out oh wise witted one. These photos ARE staged. But they are ACTUAL babies killed in ACTUAL abortions taken out of the trash at abortion mills. Google Lisa Migliorino Miller and you can read the testimony of those that found these children…They can tell you what clinic they found them at.The quarters are used to give a sense of size of the baby so dunderheads like you don’t say “But thats like a FULL term baby that died during birth!” or some such nonsense. Wrap your mind around it Biggz and be disturbed, be very disturbed.
Biggz,
The pictures are meant to show what an aborted fetus looks like. It doesn’t look like a clump of cells. Even at very early stages it looks like a human being. The pictures are staged to show size, but so what. If PP is concerned about medically accurate pictures, then by all means – publish some to refute our claims that these bodies are aborted fetuses. I won’t hold my breath.
The only women in the abortion debate who didn’t have a choice about whether they were going to become mothers are rape victims. The vast majority of women seeking abortions engaged in a consensual act for which the biological purpose is procreation. That’s the truth. The lie is that you have a right or even an ability to have consequence free sex. No birth control (not even tubal ligations or vasectomies) can create that reality. Abortion just perpetuates the lie but it comes too late to overlook. If people want to delude themselves about a life of consequence free sex, it’s a free country so have fun. But once your actions create a separate human life, you’ve lost your choice about whether to become a mother – you already are. A fetus is a stage that all human beings go through – just like we were all babies and toddlers and teenagers, we were all fetuses too. At what point in our development do we become “babies” worthy of protection instead of “fetuses” that are expendable. If a woman is delivering prematurely and the doctor kills the baby before its born, should he go to jail for assulting the woman with an unauthorized medical procedure or for murdering her child? Assume this is a stage when a woman could have an abortion but after the fetus is viable.
You guys seem to think that we don’t understand abortion or we have been lied to but, we understand it better than you do and are in no need of your “education”.
Tell me, Biggz. You understand my abortion experience better than I do? I can’t wait to hear alllllll about it.
Agree completely with CT, well said!
Why is it that pro-aborts like Biggz insist that the images of an aborted baby are fabricated, when we all know that they fabricate stories about “back-alley abortions” and the number of women who “died.” They pull numbers out of their butts to support their killing, and then when we show them the reality of their “choice,” they claim we’re lying. Utterly insane. INSANE!
Biggaz: I used to go to abortion clinic protests but I don’t anymore because they’re 1) just not my style and 2) I hate to get up that early in the morning! On the few times I went we just tried to talk to the women going into the clinic and give them literature, some people prayed. I never heard anyone shouting out obscenities at the women, but I did hear some aimed at the abortioni — I mean abortion provider, which, of course, was not right. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, as they say down south!
Biggz
Your right no one should get upset after all it’s just a baby there killing. I consider myself a fundementalist and I agree Tiller should have not been shot he should have had his license revoked and then sent to jail for what he done. Then the families of his victims should have addressed their losses in civil court. This would be a better approach because it works within the context of the law and the person that has real anger issues gets to spend some quality time in a jail cell. I’m hoping that becomes the theme song for abortion survivers see you in court and when you have nothing you will start to appreciate what you stole from me. Instead of killing him he should have entered the church and quietly so as not to disturb Mr. Tiller ask him if he had killed any babies lately. And then quietly returned home to his family.