Stanek Sunday funnies 1-16-11
Liberal cartoonists sickened me this week with their depiction of conservatives as inciting the violence in Arizona. In actuality, it’s the opposite. Everyone who spends any time in their world, particularly online, knows their rhetoric is expletive- and hate-ridden, not to mention they support the murder of thousands of innocent babies daily.
At any rate, here are a couple examples, first by Clay Jones at GoComics.com…
and by Don Wright at GoComics.com…
But conservative cartoonists called them on it, first by Glenn McCoy at Townhall.com…
by Steve Kelley at Townhall.com…
by Glenn Foden at CNSNews.com…
by Dana Summers at Townhall.com…
and by Michael Ramirez at Townhall.com (click to enlarge)…
Jan.16, 2011 6:44 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
The last one is the best.
MammaMT,
I concur with one exception.
The sheriff may have mis-calculated and he may have been crass, cold blooded, ill advised, opportunistic, partisan, and foolish, but he was not ‘dim witted’ and neither were his fellow singers in politics and the media who joined him in the chorus or those who orchestrated the mis-information campaign [disclaimer: I use the term ‘campaign in a purely metaphorical sense, not it’s original literral sense.
campaign: a connected series of military operations forming a distinct phase of a war.]
Recently the people in Arizona were asked how they felt about the state’s new immigration law.
Seventy percent said they favored the law.
Forty percent said, “No habla inglés.”
Ken, do you live in Arizona, and do they teach mathematics in a different manner there? : P
I think this past week was a perfect example why we should be very, very thankful that Obama is in office, and Palin is not.
Well, he did throw quite the party the other day what with a catchy new slogan and new tshirts for all and various sound bytes that erupted the crowds in whoops and cheers!!
Oh, wait. THAT was supposed to be a memorial service to honor those that were injured and killed in Tucson, not a campaign stop. Silly me.
Carla – are you talking about the tshirts provided by the University of Arizona, or other ones?
Together We Thrive. Yes the U of A passed them out and I assumed they were the new 2012 campaign slogan. LOL
Time to let Bob the Builder have YES WE CAN back.
Either way……it was tacky, tacky, tacky.
Yeah – probably a bit tacky. About as tacky as some of the conservatives jumping on it as an Obama thing…like some of the Democrats jumping on the tragedy as being Palin’s fault. Seems like whenever people jump too fast, they usually end up looking stupid!
A lot of folks having to eat their own words lately!! :)
It will be interesting to see how 60 Minutes profiles the shooter tonight–whether they will include comments from friends of the killer saying how he was neither right nor left and did not watch news, and how all of the reports linking the killer to tea party activism/Sarah Palin/Rush Limbaugh etc. were completely without merit…that kind of thing.
If they managed to interview the sheriff will they pepper him with questions about how law enforcement did not prevent this from happening even as they knew of threats he had made and how insecure people felt around him because of his conduct? Will they point out to their viewers that the sheriff is a well known democrat in the Tucson area and inquire as to the how his remarks were extremely unprofessional and will prejudice the state’s case against the shooter? Will they grill the Arizona and Tucson authorities in same manner as if they were conservative miscreants worthy only of scorn? Will news organizations which all jumped on the smears about Palin and the so-called ”climate of hate” caused by conservative talk show hosts even take the first step towards admitting that they were wrong in their tarring and feathering of people who could not have known about this sick man’s intentions?
To answer the above, and I hope I am wrong: Probably not. The MSM and their lib counterparts in the halls of congress and academia live in a dream world of moral relativism. They have made a virtue out of calumny; i.e. when it comes to lies and distortions about the ”right” everything is fair game, justifiable and good, even when they find out otherwise and still continue with the story line. Their creed is to not let a good crisis go to waste, and this is certainly what they attempted to do with this unfortunate incident.
Meanwhile, among the victims was a fine Federal judge, a conservative (gasp!) Catholic who attended daily Mass. Imagine for a moment all you libs if the victim who had died was a conservative Catholic legislator, but the wounded victim was a lib Clinton appointee judge how much diffferent the template would have been and then tell me there is not a reflexive bias in the MSM.
I’m sorry. Obama’s words were right, for the most part. But it’s hard to take his speeches anymore. His head held imperiously high, literally looking down his nose at us. And when the audience whoops it up like they just heard a sex or drug reference on a late night talk show – well: ughh!
John Aloysius Farrell, “Rancor Becomes Top D.C. Export: GOP Leads Charge in Ideological War,” The Denver Post, May 26, 2003.
“We are trying to change the tones in the state capitals—and turn them toward bitter nastiness and partisanship,” [Grover] Norquist says. ”Bipartisanship is another name for date rape.”
http://www.azcentral.com/community/ahwatukee/articles/2011/01/11/20110111gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-resignations.html#ixzz1BEZcqI5D
Miller said when he was a member of McCain’s campaign staff last year has been criticized by the more conservative party members who supported Republican opponent J.D. Hayworth. The first and only African-American to hold the party’s precinct chairmanship, Miller said he has been called “McCain’s boy,” and during the campaign saw a critic form his hand in the shape of a gun and point it at him.
“I wasn’t going to resign but decided to quit after what happened Saturday,” Miller said. “I love the Republican Party but I don’t want to take a bullet for anyone.”
Tea Party RepubliCONS spread hate.
mp,
Who was the person who formed his hand in the shape of a gun and do you know for certain his/her party affiliation?
“Who was the person who formed his hand in the shape of a gun and do you know for certain his/her party affiliation?”
I suggest you read the entire article, then telephone Miller. Miller, a Republican Party official, along with 3 other party officials, resigned last week because of threats from Tea Party members. I didn’t say that, THEY DID.
All of this goes back to 2003 when Grover Norquist, a principal adviser to not only the Republican Party, but also the Tea Party, called for “nastiness and partisanship.”
You want violent rhetoric? Grover supplied it. “Bipartisanship,” he said, “is another name for DATE RAPE.”
So much for solving the nation’s problems.
Well, just look at all the bend-backward Republicans and what “bipartisanship” got them. George H.W.Bush believed the Democrats would cut spending, but was left hanging in the wind for breaking his “No new taxes!” pledge. He’s pointed to as a liar.
Where was the bipartisanship the last two years? The president wouldn’t even meet with Republican leaders, and never gave an inch. The only bipartisanship on the Healthcare Bill was on the part of the 30-some Democrats who joined in voting no.
Now the Republicans have the majority and once again they’re supposed to give up ground.
“Where was the bipartisanship the last two years?”
Gee, I don’t know.
If you’ve got a telephone, why don’t you call Grover Norquist and ask him?
You know, the same guy who said he wants to drown the US Government in a bathtub.
Carla,
It was too much for me when people in the crowd were holding up “Together we Heal” signs for the cameras to pan to when the crowd was cued to cheer during the eulogy. Some people are so gullible. To a blue blooded DemocRAT those people who died don’t really matter; they should understand cause it is all about Obama and his great speech.
mp.
Unless you know for certain who commited a certain act how can you say for certain what their political affilications are? So names please.
All of this goes back to 2003 when Grover Norquist, a principal adviser to not only the Republican Party, but also the Tea Party, called for “nastiness and partisanship.”
That doesn’t even make any sense. The Tea Party didn’t exist until…’09? ’08 at the earliest.
TS,
Over the top. Seriously.
“Unless you know for certain who commited a certain act how can you say for certain what their political affilications are? So names please.”
Please telephone Mr. Miller, the Republican Party official. Ask HIM and his three colleagues. THEY made the accusation. I’m simply reporting it.
You got a problem with that?
“That doesn’t even make any sense. The Tea Party didn’t exist until…’09? ’08 at the earliest.”
You didn’t read what I wrote. I simply said that Norquist advises both the Republican Party and the Tea Party. And, how doesn’t it make sense? Why wouldn’t Norquist tell the Tea Party, just as he told the Republicans, that bipartisanship is DATE RAPE?
mp,
Yeah I got a problem with that. You’re the one presenting this article. You said “Tea Party RepubliCONS spread hate”. Yet reviewing the article all I see are “local members with Tea Party ties”. That means exactly what? They’re members? They know members? Miller speaks of verbal attacks. Exactly what were they? Threats? Insults?
It sounds like a lot of political infighting to me, hardly anything new.
Did someone send him a dead fish? A favorite tactic of former White House Chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel.
“It sounds like a lot of political infighting to me, hardly anything new.”
Fine. If you consider someone saying they don’t want to take a bullet for the Republican Party business as usual, enjoy that world.
mp,
Saying you don’t want to take a bullet is an expression that can also mean you don’t want to take any flack or hassle for someone else. Perhaps Mr.Miller does fear for his safety as its obvious that lunatics like Loughner are running around. I read nothing of a direct threat made against Mr.Miller, only “verbal attacks” which can mean anything and are part of politics, however ugly.
Now when someone sends a dead fish, that I worry about.
BTW, did you hear that a survivor of the Tuscon shooting was taken into custody after yelling “you’re dead!” at a Tea Party spokesman during the taping of ABC-TV town hall event hosted by Christianne Amanpour.
Of course the false accusations and commentary of the MSM and left would have done nothing to inspire this.
Mary –
Could you post a link to a MSM site that accused Palin of this?
Also, I wouldn’t get upset at anyone who might have “inspired” the shooting survivor to shout that – if I’ve learned anything in this whole event, it is that violent people don’t need inspiration, and any laws and angry commentary are not at fault and shouldn’t be blamed. In fact, the very fact that you are blaming the MSM seems to make me think you support the notion that the far right violent extremism might have contributed to the shooting in the first place. No?
“Perhaps Mr.Miller does fear for his safety as its obvious that lunatics like Loughner are running around.”
Perhaps? Perhaps Mr. Miller? And 3 other Republican officials?
Did you even BOTHER to read the article?
Yes I read the article. That’s why I’m questioning you. I can’t find any direct threats that were made.
EGV,
Go to Youtube and check “media blames Sarah Palin for tuscon shooting”
Also google the same thing.
I’m not unsympathetic to the shooting survivor though I cannot agree that threats are acceptable. Do you think its possible media hype, Chris Matthews blaming Mark Levin and Savage for instance, might inspire something like this? Its possible the shooting victim is himself someone with some mental health issues. I understand he was put under psychiatric care.
I blame the media for reacting before having any facts, including the sheriff of Pima County who should know better. I blame the media for refusing to get their facts and then refusing to be confused by the facts once they got them.
The death threats against Sarah Palin have increased. Do I think its because of this hysteria and falsehood generated by the MSM? Yes.
Yes its true deranged and/or violent people need no inspiration, unfortunately no one told the left and MSM that.
I’m afraid I don’t understand the point of your last question. Kindly rephrase.
Mary – just did that – 5 of the first 6 results were articles about one of the victims (a wounded survivor) blamed Palin. The sixth was from that crazy Angle lady in Nevada saying the media blamed her. Seventh is an article about Olberman blaming Republicans – but he’s hardly mainstream media.
You keep saying that people are getting increased death threats because of the media. But hasn’t the message from the right been that angry speech doesn’t create situations like this – that if a person is mad, that angry rhetoric isn’t going to make a difference? But now you are saying that people are in danger because of angry rhetoric? Doesn’t that point a finger right back at the angry rhetoric that some have pointed to for the shootings?
Doug says: January 16, 2011 at 1:03 pm
“Ken, do you live in Arizona, and do they teach mathematics in a different manner there?” : P
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Doug,
I live a bit to the east of Arizona, in Texas.
It is possible for 70 percent of the people surveyed to support something and have 40 percent who do not speak english/no habla ingles.
It was a joke. I did not research it or write it. There may be more or less than 70 percent of the people who support the immigration law or more or less than 40 percent of the people surveyed who do not speak English.
It was political humor which, like most humor, has an element of truth.
The majority/plurality of people surveyed in Arizona do support the states immigration law as wellas in the rest of the United States.
Arizona’s sourthern border is adjacent to Mexico. Because of this Arizona probably has high perentage of Spanish only speakers residing in the state, most of whom are there illeally.
On the Weekend Update on Saturday Night Live they once had a fake a headline where the Orange County School Disrtic held the first ‘eboncis spelling bee’ and the winner was Kim Sung. [Please don’t ask me to explain that one.]
Mary,
If you are around politics very much at all you soon discover that ‘egos’ are in play.
It does not matter if it is the local public utility district or the National committee for either political party.
These ‘political prima donnas’ tend to have very thin skins, incredible memories, are offended easily and ‘forgiveness’ is not a word that is found in their lexicon.
If you have core principles, conviction and integrity then ‘bi-partisanship’ could be figuratively compared to ‘date rape’, which when all is said and done is still rape.
To those who lack these attributes, compomize and bi-partisanship will come easily and they will sacrifice the good and settle for the bad.
Grover Norquists verbal jab is a sloppy metaphor at best, but it made for a good sound bite and it must irritate liberals on many levels.
‘date rape’ belongs to them after all.
From the Ex-RINO discription of Miller it is quite possible that Miller is also a RINO.
Miller was working for the McCain campaign and John is not a pillar of conservatism.
But it would be a mistake to take any thing Ex-RINO states at face value.
The entire media lately has smelled an awful lot like Animal Farm.
It’s amazing how much the playbook is repeated.
“From the Ex-RINO discription of Miller it is quite possible that Miller is also a RINO.”
You enjoy SLIMING people, don’t you? Even if they’re one of your own.
Just so long as it suits your purposes.
Why use FACTS when SLIME works better?
It used to be said the most dangerous place in America was to between a news camera and then Senator Phil Gramm. The same could be said of b o.
I have to confess when I hear or see b o, I change the station or channel.
Even if I could agree with everything he says I have no assurance that he does or will agress with what he says. He has no more credibility than his telepompters.
When democrats got thorughly repudiated at the local, state and national leves in the recent elections, b o referred to the democrats drubbing as his ‘shellacking’.
When it was announced that b o was going to Arizona to speak at the memorial service, it was all about ’his’ opportunity to redeem and re-establish himself.
From the accounts I have read of the service and the commentary afterwards, it seemed more like an episode of ‘American Idol’ than a memorial service. We were told the presidents approval ratinng suddenly improved after his somber soliloquy.
I finally went to youtube and watched the opening moments of b o’s speech.
While the cheering and clapping were going on he just stood there basking in the non-existent rays of his own intellect. [Singing softly to himself, ME, it’s all about ME, MY kingdom come, MY will be done…TOTUS, TOTUS oh so small, who is the mostest bestest of them all?]
I hope the manifestation of his presence and sounds of his words brought some consolation to the family and friends of the wounded and killed.
I recommend going to ABC’s website and watching this mornings episode of This Week with Christine Amanpour.
The woman who kept Loughner from reloading was there as well as one of the men who wrestled him to the ground and some of the people who were wounded and the first responders also shared their perspectives.
I just watched a little of tonights 60 Minutes dealing with assasins and mentally deranged people. The ‘expert’ said in his opinion mentally disturbed people who commit these acts are NOT motivated or activated by political discourse. Go to CBS and watch it for yourself.
Ken –
Obama is looking good these days. Approval rating back up to about 50% (roughly 10% higher than Reagan at this point in his Presidency). New polls on health care repeal look good. New polls showing GOP is doing a poor job “selling” that reform will raise the deficit. And though a long way out, Obama’s increased his 2012 standing against the major GOP folks they are talking about.
I’m hoping for Palin from you guys – I think she’d be a great matchup against Obama. I think you should send her some money.
EGV,
The victim was quoted in the media as blaming Sarah Palin.
You should have kept looking.
Chris(tinkle down my leg) Matthews PMSNBC: “Sarah Palin is using gun play language”
CBS News: “…But critics if Sarah have already drawn a link between the shooting and the fact the former Alaska governor put Giffords on a “target list” of lawmakers wanted to see unseated in the midterm elections.”
Paul Krugman of the NY Times assumed there was a connection between the shooter and Palin and the Tea Party.
Seek and you shall find EGV.
I would suspect that most of the death threats are just that, people getting their sick thrills from threatening and little else. Yes I believe that a steady drumbeat from the MSM and left wing bloggers can indeed inspire people to make threats.
You must remember Loughner was apolitical and did not listen to talk radio. He was also deranged. I also believe the sheriff who blamed “the right” was seriously derelict in his duty to protect citizens from the likes of Loughner.
Can you give some examples of Rush or Sean suggesting a left wing politician is responsible for the actions of a deranged shooter? I would equally condemn their actions if they did.
MP,
I enjoy exposing the duplicity and the hypocrisy of the ‘left’ and I occasionally shine the spot light on the ‘right’.
I never did subscribe to strict enforcement of Ronald Reagan’s 11th commandment. I believe even Reagan exercised some discretion and discernment in it’s application.
John McCain is NOT a conservative. He veers to the left when it suits him and he veers to the right when it suits him. He is not a democrat or a liberal or a progressive, but he is definately not a conservative. Too much play/slop in his ideological steering wheel.
I qualified my remarks about Miller. If in your estimation it is ‘sliming’ to identify someone as a ‘RINO’ [republican in name only] then in your estimation there must be something wrong with being a ‘RINO’. So the only question to be answered is: Is Miller a RINO?
If Miller is a RINO then I am not sliming. If there is nothing wrong with being a RINO then I am not sliming.
Maybe Ex-RINO can get mr. Miller to join us and we can ask enough questions to determine just what his politics are.
For now I would speculate, based on Ex-RINO’s descriptions [I know it is a flimsy frame.] of Miller, that Miller ‘could’ be a RINO’.
Ex-GOP Voter says: January 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm
“Ken – Obama is looking good these days.”
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Ex-RINO,
One man’s treasure is another man’s trash.
But I believe you are making my point. [The Amerian Idol thing] There is not measureable indicator that demonstrates the president is doing anything different. The ‘misery index’ has not improved.
There is no rational basis for the improvement in the presidents approval ratings or for congress for that matter.
The warm fuzzies some emotionally based people are experiencing from hearing the president read from his teleprompter will quickly fade. Reality will over take them soon enough.
Another ‘crisis’ will soon supplant the current one.
At least the presidents involvlement in Arizona did not make things worse, like he did with the oil spill in the gulf.
Crude oil is 100 dollars a barrel. In Texas gas is 3 dollars a gallon. In the gulf of Mexico the obama moratorium is still in place and he is looking for ways to make it more difficult and more expensive for oil companies to find and produce those oil reserves.
The obama hellth scare scam has not yet come on line. Just wait to see effect that has on the misery index. It bring an added dimension to the term.
http://www.miseryindex.us/
“I also believe the sheriff who blamed “the right” was seriously derelict in his duty to protect citizens from the likes of Loughner.”
That is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. Tucson’s sheriff most categorically DID NOT blame “the right.” He blamed “violent rhetoric.” He did not specify LEFT or RIGHT.
“If Miller is a RINO then I am not sliming. If there is nothing wrong with being a RINO then I am not sliming.”
You know exactly what you’re doing and I know exactly what you are.
Rather than engage in facts, you engage in smears and, when confronted with the smear, you then you have the arrogance to qualify it.
But, it seems OK with you to smear someone, so long as they have “sloppy” steering and don’t meet your test of ideological righteousness.
Mister, you’re a bigot.
mp, if you use boldface and capital letters does that mean what you type is ABSOLUTELY TRUE? Like what you said about bro ken above; since it was in bold does that mean that you really must know exactlty what bro ken is and what he is doing? And it you ever type anything that isn’t boldfaced and capitalized will that mean you are unsure of yourself?
mp,
I wanted to vomit during the Arizona memorial when Obama said everybody should hold their hand on their heart while singing God Bless America. Remember this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o
Do you really believe Obama has he had a change of heart or was this part of his “eulogy” REALLY JUST AN ATTEMPT AT USING THE DEATH OF A NINE YEAR OLD GIRL FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL GAIN?
“Do you really believe Obama has he had a change of heart or was tonights speech an attempt at using the death of a nine year old girl for political gain?”
Barack Obama is the President of the United States. He is MY President, just as George Bush was MY President.
You people are so hung up over your ideological hatred that you’ve forgotten what it’s supposed to mean to be Americans.
Over 300 million people live in this country and, I guarantee you, not all of them agree with you or the bigot, and don’t appreciate being slimed because we don’t.
John McCain is a decent man, even though I don’t agree with him on everything, just as I believe that both George Bush and Barack Obama are decent men, even though I don’t agree with them on everything.
But, the garbage I am reading here is a SICKNESS.
And, if you don’t like the way I write, put up a tutorial on how to use this silly comment box.
Thank you.
mp says (about whom it does not matter, what matters is that it was said):
“Mister, you’re a bigot.”
Class, real class my friend!
mp also says:
”He blamed “violent rhetoric.” He did not specify LEFT or RIGHT.”
Actually, he did specifically mention Rush.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/arizona-sheriff-blasts-rush-limbaugh-spewing-irresponsible-vitriol/story?id=12583285
You didn’t answer my question. Remember it was Obama’s chief of staff Rahm Emmaneul in 2008 who said “you should never let a good crisis go to waste”.
And I linked you to the video of Obama refusing to put his hand over his heart during the Star Spangled Banner. Unless you think Obama has had a change of heart since getting recorderded on that video during the 2008 political rally for Jon Harkin; you would reason that he was using this particular line of his eulogy for his own political gain. Why else would he now say we should all put our hands over our hearts and sing God Bless America? It’s one or the other. Which do you think it was? Truly a change of heart or just trying to gain polical points? Here it is again so you can watch it and let me know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o
mp said:
That is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. Tucson’s sheriff most categorically DID NOT blame “the right.” He blamed “violent rhetoric.” He did not specify LEFT or RIGHT.
Jerry said:
“Actually, he did specifically mention Rush.”
Jerry,
How can that be? I mean mp even used boldface and CAPS.
“Class, real class my friend!”
Thank you.
“Actually, he did specifically mention Rush.”
I was unaware of that. In the sheriff’s initial press conference, which I saw live, he attributed the event to “violent rhetoric,” neither left nor right.
Having said that, I’m glad he named Limbaugh; he should have named Glenn Beck as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVDla_Ax40k&feature=player_embedded
mp,
There are BOLD ITALLIC and Underline options across the top of the comment box.
mp:
The tone and anger and your lashing out in your 10:28 post was exactly the kind of thing that was directed against the Palins/Limbaughs/Levins/tea party types etc following the Tucson killings.
This is what we refer to as the “angry left”.
This is what we refer to as the “angry left”.
Sorry, I don’t fit your stereotype. I campaigned for Barry Goldwater in 1964, but I guess he wasn’t a “real” conservative.
I did not, by the way, leave the Republican Party. The Party left me, just as it left Barry.
Ex-GOP Voter: I’m hoping for Palin from you guys – I think she’d be a great matchup against Obama.
I think most Democratic strategists are praying for that. But it ain’t gonna happen, and at this point I think Sarah Palin knows that herself.
Recently the people in Arizona were asked how they felt about the state’s new immigration law.
Seventy percent said they favored the law.
Forty percent said, “No habla inglés.”
Ken, I think it should be “Thirty percent said…” or some other change to make it add up to 100 percent. That’s what caught my eye. They should add up to 100%, or at least no more than 100%. But no biggie.
The majority/plurality of people surveyed in Arizona do support the states immigration law as well as in the rest of the United States.
I do too. What is wrong with verifying status in the course of the police doing their job?
To me, it’s somewhat like the people protesting that middle-eastern males were getting singled-out for scrutiny after the 9/11 hijackings. Well hey – profiling is the job of the police. Are we going to look for 80 year old grandmas from Montana to be the ones, or are we going to look for middle-eastern males in their 20’s?
mo 9:51PM
All in the perspective as to who he was blaming mp. The sheriff was irresponsible to blame anyone or anything without evidence. A defense lawyer’s dream. The sheriff also had a responsiblity to protect the citizens of Tuscon which he also failed at. Even Sheriff Arpaio was criticial of him.
In an interview that followed the shooting Dupnik stated:”If you’re in law enforcement and you’re not a right winger you get all kinds of heat from the right wing nuts”.
A real bastion of objectivity, wouldn’t you say mp?
A selection of quotes by Obama:
“They(Republicans) can come for the ride but they gotta sit in back.”
“We talk to these folks…so I know whose ass to kick”
“Get ready for you hand to hand combat with your fellow Americans”
“You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun”
“Republicans are our enemies”
Obama to Latinos “punish your enemies”.
Mary –
MSNBC is not mainstream media – we’ve been over that before.
The CBS news story you posted – starts off: “We do not yet know what prompted 22-year-old accused gunman Jared Loughner to allegedly shoot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and others, including a child and federal judge who died from their wounds.”. Then says critics of Palin have drawn a link – but not CBS…
You are going to have to link me to the Krugman article – reading through his stuff around then, and I don’t see what you are talking about.
Regarding your last question – I don’t listen to Rush or Sean. I don’t think they do much to add to intelligent public discussion. Rush is Kanye West (entertainer first) – I mean, what did the guy make last year – $55 million? He wouldn’t tell us what he truly believed even if he knew what he truly believed – he’s a brand now that has to be how he is.
Mary – now you are just being silly. The first quote, in full context:
“He said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, “we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101025/ap_on_el_pr/us_obama
I mean, this is from your man Limbaugh:
“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”
or this
“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”
Fun game – just posting random quotes?
Mary – the quote on the knife – could you please link something credible on where he said that – all I can find are a bunch of links from crazies saying he said that – but can’t find it in a story, article, nothing. Maybe he did – just can’t find anything.
Oh come on EGV,
The NY Times isn’t msm? The news outlets were reporting that victim’s accusations, CBS is mainstream and yes they are reporting what critics say. The point is CBS is reporting it, and we hear nothing of who the critics are or their credentials. I consider it totally irresponsible. Gee MSNBC describes themselves as a leader in breaking news and is the news website for NBC news.
Google: Paul Krugman blames Sarah Palin for Tuscon shooting. Plenty of articles.
So what if Rush makes 55 million a year. The point is what?? What does Barbara Walters make? Katie Couric?
EGV,
LOL. Not any sillier than these folks who so desperately try to find some way to blame talk radio or Palin. My point EGV. What people say can be twisted any way we want when it suits us.
What about Bill Clinton suggesting to Ted Kennedy that Obama would have been serving him and Hillary their coffee the year before Obama won the nomination.
Oh, and let’s not forget Harry Reid and his comment about a “light skinned Negro” with no “Negro dialect”.
Amy Choznick reports from a Philadelphia fundraiser as to how Obama will counter Republican attacks: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl”. “I’ve seen Eagel fans.”
Posted on the Wall Street Journal Blog, Washington Wire, June 14, 2008.
Mary – I’ll have to tackle the rest later – going to work.
I said MSNBC is not mainstream. NY Times and CBS articles you said – I just can’t find them with the direct comments.
NBC is certainly mainstream and MSNBC is their news website.
I have to get to work too, have a good day EGV.
Ex-RINO, I asked you this on the other thread but you did not answer so I’ll ask it again. I also alsked it of mp on this thread but he couldn’t/wouldn’t answer either. Show us some fortitude and give an answer. Share your insight with America and answer this question so America comes to know the man you believe Obama really is:
The question was about a part of Obama’s speech at the pep rally/memorial service in Arizona. During his “eulogy” Obama was speaking about the nine year old girl and said everybody should hold their hand on their heart while singing God Bless America. And then I remembered this video of Obama refusing to hold his hand over his heart during the Star Spangled Banner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o
Do you really believe Obama has he had a change of heart or was this part of his “eulogy” REALLY JUST AN ATTEMPT AT USING THE DEATH OF A NINE YEAR OLD GIRL FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL GAIN?
E-GOPV: “I think this past week was a perfect example why we should be very, very thankful that Obama is in office, and Palin is not.”
How so? I thought each gave a strong, unifying speech.
“But, the garbage I am reading here is a SICKNESS.”
Indeed. Take solace in the fact that it’s only a dozen or so people in a great country of 330 million.
:) We love you too, Hal!
Doug says: January 17, 2011 at 1:19 am
“Ken, I think it should be “Thirty percent said…” or some other change to make it add up to 100 percent. That’s what caught my eye. They should add up to 100%, or at least no more than 100%. But no biggie.”
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Doug,
I am a terrible joke teller.
I am even worse when I am operating without a script.
Even if I get the joke right, my timing is off.
I should have cut and pasted the joke and then I could subrogate all the criticism to the source.
To me the bottom line is the joke is funny, even if my percentages were different than the orginal.
I wish I could have discovered a way to incorporate, ‘press ’1′ for English.’
The default shoud be ‘English’ and the message should be in Spanish instructing the caller to ’empujar numero uno’ to hear the message in Spanish.
Ex-RINO,
Here once again is the link to the different way ‘bias’ is present in the msm.
http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-me-shaw01jul01,0,5601598.story
The story is written by ombudsman and staff writer for the LA Times and focuses on the topic of ‘abortion’ to point out the bias and how it is done, but he just have easily used some other ‘hot’ topic and come up with the same result. Abortion is just the most obvious.
‘Bias’ by Bernard Goldberg is another excellent expose by the Emmy Award winner and by thirty year veteran at CBS News.
Both of the examples highlight the ‘liberal’ bias because it is the most prevalent and blatant.
Neither of the articles were written by ‘conservatives’ or ‘republicans’, but by seasoned veteran journalists.
Some of the left’s exemplary work here:
http://gerardnadal.com/2011/01/10/congresswoman-giffords-blame-game-and-memory-lane/
Mary – I don’t know – I just don’t consider either MSNBC or Fox to be “news” – see them as political entertainment.
Hey- you still owe me a link on the “knife” quote.
Truth – sorry – I tend to jump off of subscriptions if I get bored on a thread or if it goes away from where the conversation was.
On the question.
Are you serious?
Come on – go to a ballgame and look around – a lot of people put their hands on their hearts – some put them to their side. I don’t really give a rip as long as they love America. I mean, do you think an armless person is less of an American because they can’t put their hand on their heart? Of course, that question is silly – but the point remains – show me by your actions, not by your symbolism.
Heck, from the code:
“men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the hear”
I love the “headdress” – how many times do you see folks remove their hats and not put it on their left shoulder? Are they bad Americans?
Come on truth – try harder!
(by the way – seen the polls that show the all-time lows on repeal, and the articles on how health care reform is far from a “job killer”. Would be a good read for you!)
bmmg39 – Hey, do you see the video on CNN I linked to? That sums up much of what I thought.
I don’t know – her whole attack with the “blood libel” statement – she seemed more concern with her rep. If Obama or other top leaders went on attack every time they got slurred…well, even less would get done in Washington. I just think if she was a true leader, she would have risen above it.
Ken – with all due respect, how many years ago was that article written?
EGV,
I told you where to find the knife quote in my 7am post. Do you think I made up that verbatim quote??
Google Washington wire june 2008
Whether or not MSNBC or Fox are news or entertainment is in eye of the beholder.
MSNBC is the news website of NBC. Draw your own conclusions.
Ex-RINO,
He was not at ball game. He was standing on a stage with several other politicians at a political rally and he stood out like a ore thumb in his defiance. He was probably the only one period if they had panned the audience. You are the “exception in that you find it ‘normal’ behaviour. You and every other DemocRAT who walks the plank with Obama will bear the brunt of round two in 2012. And that includes those who support Obamacare. They had to give exemptions to hundreds of employers (hundreds of thousands of employees) or it would have cost them their coverage all together. Then their is the backroom deals that exempted the unions so they haven’t been hit yet. Then their is the unconstitutional mandate (over 60% of the public want that part repealed). And where does all this leave Obamacare…… It joins Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security as one more huge governement bureaucracy of unsustainable debt. Only it is even worse cause it will create a government database where people can access to all our personal health care information for our benevolent leaders to mine on our behalf. And of course our private information will be shared with the government’s chosen Obamacare partners. 2012 can’t come soon enough.
Ex RINO, did you even watch that video? Obama was hardly just a fan
At a baseball game. He was on stage with several other politicians all who had their hands over their hearts. Maybe Obama just didn’t think this was a teachable moment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o
so he just stood there with his hands cupped and hanging below his crotch while everybody else had their hands over their hearts. Obama is like a poison pill to to every other DemocRAT who continues to walk the plank with him. The 2010 shellacking
was round one and 2012 is going to be round two. And the shellacked will include those who support Obamacare. The idiocy of that law is apparent. They had to give exemptions to hundreds of employers (hundreds of thousands of employees) or it would have cost them all their coverage completely. Remember Max Baucus when he called for just those firms to be brought before a congressional panel and investigated because they were supposedy lying about how much Obamacare would cost them? Then there is the backroom dealing that exempted the unions so they haven’t been hit yet. Then their is the unconstitutional mandate (over 60% of the public want that part repealed). Then there is all the costs forced upon the states as unfounded Obamacare Medicare mandates. And where does all this leave Obamacare…… It joins Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security as ONE MORE HUGE government bureaucracy of unsustainable debt. Only it is even worse cause it creates a government database where Obamacare partners can mine personal health care information on our behalf. 2012 can’t come soon enough.
Rasmussen poll – 55% favor repeal of Obamacare:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
55% still favor repeal….that number is artificially low too because of the Arizona pep rally.
Dear heavens Truth – I don’t think you actually read the posts.
I’m saying that in the letter of the law, a man is supposed to take off his hat and put it on his left shoulder. Some folks say you don’t put your hand on your heart, some say put your hands to the side. All sorts of folks say different things. I don’t care quite frankly – I’d rather vote for somebody based on their ideas, not if they stand correctly.
2012 – if the GOP picks somebody strong, it should be interesting. I’m hoping they pick Palin.
Rasmussen doesn’t get very high ratings overall via 538 analysis swings – I’ll take the new AP/GfK poll or the Marist Institute poll.
EGV, with all due respect: your requests for links to sources, followed immediately (historically) by chevalier dismissal of the content, really make it hard to take you seriously. Why on earth should people bother chasing down the references, when you have absolutely no intention of considering them seriously, or doing anything other than dismissing them, anyway?
As a hypothetical example of what I mean:
Respondent: “Barack Obama made the statement that ‘if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun’, and the political left is strikingly silent on that point, while they lambaste conservatives for virtually identical language and images.”
EGV: “Where’s the link?” (This implies, to most unbiased people, that the delivery of a link will make some difference to your position–an implication whose probability is vanishingly small, given your personal track record on this forum. Why not simply say, “I don’t care if there’s a link or not; I’ll reject the premise, anyway!” and save us some unnecessary work? Unless you’re deliberately sending people on wild goose chases, simply to be a jerk? I hope not…)
[link provided]
EGV: “Oh, you’re being silly! Completely out of context! Ridiculous to suggest that he was actually using violence-inciting language! Haven’t you ever heard political rhetoric, before? Haven’t you ever used a metaphor, before?”
Respondent: “You’ll note that this was precisely our point… only, we applied it in defense of Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and others who were being attacked with this nonsense. We said that the claims of “violence incitement by the political right” were nonsense, thrown out by political hacks and opportunists… and you seemed to object to that, for some reason, and you didn’t agree. That leads many people to think that you *don’t* think the claims are nonsense. Care to explain WHY… especially since you seem to turn a blind eye to the political left doing the same thing?”
Forgive me if this offends, EGV, but: my hope that you’ll do anything thoughtful and non-disingenuous with this comment is fading; of late, you’ve been more and more prone to be fond of running yourself (and anyone who will engage you in conversation) in tight, little conversational circles that–rather obviously–lead to nowhere but frustration. Again, I really hope you’re not just getting your kicks by pushing other peoples’ buttons. Please prove me wrong, eh?
By the way: Happy belated New Year, on Mary’s behalf:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_brings_a_gun_to_a_knife_fight.html
…and, if you insist on video:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/18/232216/170/636/498729
(Sorry, I can’t give you a time-mark for the quote in question; the payoff-to-risk ratio of it making any difference to you is far too small to merit wasting the better part of an hour slogging through that rubbish. If you’re sufficiently motivated, you’ll find it. At very least, I think we’ll be spared any of your attempts to write off the video’s site [Daily Kos] as “Right Wing Spin”…)
Ex-RINO,
A new Gallup poll is out today and it also shows what a huge groundswell of support Obamacare is getting now compared to when the legislation was passed. It is now a full 13% of the American people who support keeping the Obamacare law in it’s present form.
Paladin –
Forgive me, but you are crossing two conversations. The “silly” remark was in regards to the statement “they got to sit in the back” – the quote was completely taken out of context and half of the quote was left off. Do you not see an issue with that. I haven’t said anything one way or another on the “knife” quote – hadn’t seen the link to it.
This could be very easy from here on out though for you – if you’d just like to make up what other people say, we could all save a lot of time. You could use my name and just carry on long conversations with yourself – I mean, if you are going to write people’s answers for them anyways.
Truth – what is interesting is fox is running with the number 13 (not sure if whoever read the poll read the whole thing – though he talks about the other numbers in the article…it is strange).
Look at the numbers in there:
– 13% want it as is
– 32% want it repealed
– 24% want it kept, but more liberal
– 25% want it kept, but scaled back
I’ve never seen any liberal politician say that changes shouldn’t be made to the law.
Furthermore, the Post-ABC confirms the numbers pretty strong – 33% want it repealed, most want it kept and further modified.
As Klein and others are stating – what seems to be the most important is how the question is worded.
EGV wrote:
Paladin – Forgive me, but you are crossing two conversations. The “silly” remark was in regards to the statement “they got to sit in the back” – the quote was completely taken out of context and half of the quote was left off.
Er… whatever gave you the impression that I was referencing that “sit in the back” comment of yours, at all? It never even crossed my mind, friend. I admire your skill with unintentional irony, though… what, with your complaints about false attributions, and all. :) So… no, there is no question of “crossed conversations” at all, on this end. Does that clarify?
Do you not see an issue with that.
It wasn’t on my radar, one way or the other. I trust that’s now clear? As for your question, I don’t see how Mary’s interpretation was substantially wrong, at all. No one was forcing Barack Obama to specify that *Republicans* needed to sit in the back of the bus, yes? It was a crass political quip, and little else.
I haven’t said anything one way or another on the “knife” quote – hadn’t seen the link to it.
All right. Care to comment, now?
This could be very easy from here on out though for you – if you’d just like to make up what other people say, we could all save a lot of time. You could use my name and just carry on long conversations with yourself – I mean, if you are going to write people’s answers for them anyways.
(*wry look*) Your attempt at maudlin drama is noted. But: perhaps you could revise and rework your comments, now that your error (about your assumptions re: my comments to you, and alleged references to your comments) has been pointed out?
Lil’ P –
What gave me the impression? How about that you posted the “knife” statement, then posted my response to the statement about the back seat. I mean, maybe I’m pretty confused, but you have to admit that my confusion if pretty justifiable, again, based on the fact that you posted one question and then my response to another.
The knife comment – it was a stupid comment. So what does that mean then? Are we left saying that Palin was stupid as well with her crosshairs, or do you think people shouldn’t upset about Obama’s statement a couple of years ago – that I shouldn’t be harsh on him because crazy people will do crazy things, regardless of the motivation. Thoughts?
EGV wrote:
Lil’ P –
Sorry… was that a reference to me? I’m trying to decide whether you’re being silly, or whether you’re being snide…
What gave me the impression? How about that you posted the “knife” statement, then posted my response to the statement about the back seat.
I did? Show me where I quoted you, please? My only “quotes” of you were a paraphrased, 3-word repeat of your request for the “knife quote” (from Mary) and a farcical, hypothetical amalgam of your usual ways of commenting on this blog; if you see any other quotes–especially any supposed comments of yours about the “bus” issue (which I wasn’t even addressing, and hadn’t even read, frankly), you’ll have to show me.
I mean, maybe I’m pretty confused,
:) Your guesses are getting better, all of a sudden.
but you have to admit that my confusion if pretty justifiable,
I do?
again, based on the fact that you posted one question and then my response to another.
Based on a mistake of yours, you mean? EGV, I never quoted any of your reply to the “bus” comment, at all, nor did I even read it. Honest. Look again, and see. I made up the long quote, out of thin air, as a parody of your usual circle-chasing responses. Didn’t you recognize the dissimilarity?
The knife comment – it was a stupid comment. So what does that mean then? Are we left saying that Palin was stupid as well with her crosshairs, or do you think people shouldn’t upset about Obama’s statement a couple of years ago – that I shouldn’t be harsh on him because crazy people will do crazy things, regardless of the motivation. Thoughts?
The latter was closer to my position. I (and others) were pointing out the sheer insanity of left-leaning commentators, newscasters, etc., saying that Sarah Palin’s “map”, “right wing comments”, and the like, were at all related to (much less responsible for) the shooting in Arizona. Is *that* clear, at least?
EGV,
You can view the quote any way you want. Suggesting that people can sit in the back suggests second class treatment. A throwback to when black people were relegated to the back of the bus.
As for Sarah Palin and blood libel, interesting that Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, not known for his conservatism, agrees with her.
Paladin –
I was going to go with Master P (the great rapped), but thought you might be too flattered – so I went with the spin off of Lil’ C, the great choreographer.
This conversation is just stupid at this point quite frankly. I just thought when you used the word “silly”, you were half-quoting my response to a different question. You meant it to be a total fake quote. It is always hard to correctly attribute fake quotes to a source and question, since, well, they are fake.
Hope all else is well. Kid number three is sleeping through the night now – so all is good.